I get the concept however that a good way for the stringer to split

@noezapata9993

Жыл бұрын

that's the 1st thing I said

@johnbuchanan3671

Жыл бұрын

Best to just use one/two 90 degree angles on each stringer.

@deepsweech

Жыл бұрын

Yup. Creates a weak spot on the stringer.

@newbeginning8134

Жыл бұрын

Is always that group of people who hate

@richard_v253

Жыл бұрын

Yep

Another Tip: Simpson makes appropriate hangers for this installation.

@thedone1342

5 ай бұрын

“If you don’t know you do now “

@Solidbuilthomes

3 ай бұрын

Whenever I need ANYTHING, I call my Simpson rep.... their products are amazing.... I just recently "discovered" there knee bracing for diagonals... KBS1Z or something..

@user-ws7qh5zg8f

2 ай бұрын

lolz

@TheLadderAssist

Ай бұрын

Boom. Roasted.

@washingtonluismenezes7815

Ай бұрын

Right.

Now you've went from the strength of a 2x6 to the strength of a 2x4.

@cesarhdz4846

Жыл бұрын

I hate to disappoint you but you just put a metal hook on a rope

@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394

Жыл бұрын

Less. More like a 2x3.

@DevinPerry-zp4cw

Жыл бұрын

bro dudes a clown creating a stress fracture at a vertical load plane

@markmahurin8891

8 ай бұрын

Wood is already cut for the metal to slide in. Cracks are coming, and soon

@venturahwy76

8 ай бұрын

There is exactly 6 1/2 inches of wood above the cut. Times 3 over a span of 4 feet.

I had to check the comments to make sure everybody else was thinking what I was thinking…. Did not disappoint.

Any structural gains from a hanger are lost in the cut. The weight will cause the stringer to Split! Very dangerous 😮

@dilldowschwagginz2674

Жыл бұрын

Yep

@willybones3890

Жыл бұрын

Nope, works great. Transfers the load perfectly.

@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394

Жыл бұрын

@@willybones3890 It's not about the load transfer, it's about the strength of the stringer after it's been cut to half its width.

@ajohnson8890

5 ай бұрын

Great to distribute load if you never step off the top step, everything below that is accident waiting to happen. It's not a disagreement it's simple physics.

@phillipthomas3520

2 ай бұрын

​@ragingrevenge1 33 years in the trade and you dont know what perpendicular means? Yikes

You do know that there is hangers that are meant for stringers. They are angled to properly go under the stringer. you can find them at your home center.

@paulgriffiths2095

Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@CanISpoonYou

Жыл бұрын

Find them at your local home depot

@kramnull8962

Жыл бұрын

@@CanISpoonYou sLowe'z

@customsolutions7167

Жыл бұрын

Yep ..

@davids5006

Жыл бұрын

I didn't but glad I seen your comment

I CAN ALMOST SEE THE CRACK SPREADING ALREADY LOL

DO NOT DO THIS PEOPLE! you will be injured when you fall and it breaks while hauling furniture bud.

@josebravo834

2 ай бұрын

Or when Debbie gets on them 😂

@bronx6231

Ай бұрын

Not sure if this guy is trolling or just has low engineering sense

this is a perfect example of why it is sooooo important to have an LLC instead of just a DBA. make sure your liability is up to date and sufficient.

@djszal

8 ай бұрын

You can have an LLC and still operate as a DBA. As long as you file as a LLC, you're protected.

Never do that! It won't pass inspection and is super dangerous. No hanger is necessary on this type of joint since the stringer is pushing against the deck. For it to fall, the deck would have to move away from the stringer or the bottom of the stringer move away from the deck. Since the former is next to impossible with a deck built correctly, a good connection to the ground will ensure the steps don't fall.

@trackhoecaves92

Жыл бұрын

Nailed it

@tydog29

Жыл бұрын

The problem is you're assuming that the rest of the deck is built properly, and I'm willing to bet it's not.

Bonus points for lining up the notch perfectly with the deepest cuts for the treads and risers. That booby trap blends right in with it's surroundings. Sneaky sneaky. 😏

@g-ray7019

Жыл бұрын

Lol what I was thinking

@kramnull8962

Жыл бұрын

Well one of them are worth more dead than alive.

@customsolutions7167

Жыл бұрын

When you don't like the people you are working for ....😂

@DevinPerry-zp4cw

Жыл бұрын

til it splits cuz as simpson says in install catalogue DONT DO THIS

@leathercheerio1

11 ай бұрын

Some home alone shit right there

If people have bean doing it different professionally since forever there’s probably a good reason to that. It’s cus they last. This will split in no time. Put a bond board or even 3/4 ply or advantech on the back of your stringers to easily attach to your deck. You can still hanger them after your don’t have to weaken your stairs by notching into them like that they make angle hangers.

This is why straps exist. Place those on the back of the header and down the back of the stringer.

You've just created a weak point in your stringer which will crack over time

Your trim work around your 4×4 is spot on lmao😂😂😂😂

@sunkmanitutankaowaci2733

2 ай бұрын

I was going to ask what that butchery was 😂

You actually weakened the stringer by cutting the slot, it will split in time. There are brackets available which have the angle and don't require the slotting and allow you to bear the load without weakening the framing.

@bartsanders1553

6 ай бұрын

Hope he's the one who's on it when it fails and not somebody else.

@briancnc

6 ай бұрын

@@bartsanders1553 Going to split as you step on 2nd from top, will only take a season at most, can guarantee it will split and fall down. Not to mention they are bearing a staircase on a 2x4 ledger, that should have been a 2x8 or at least 2x6 but you know..

The top step will be bulletproof, but the second will split out to where you made the cut. You inadvertently gave it a stress point to start the split at the second step.

@samanderson7745

Жыл бұрын

The top step will be strong but I'll be damned if it isn't going to catch some toes when people are ascending! Maybe he's going to go back and trim those deck boards?

@DevinPerry-zp4cw

Жыл бұрын

thank you! fucking idiotic. they make prescriptive code compliant hardware. use it!

I have been building decks as far back as the 80s. When I build steps for a out side deck, I build them to be free standing, so they hold them self up. Then attach them to the side of the deck. That way if the ground were to shift and pull the steps lose, this gives a better load limit and the stairs will not fall. I can see that deck it's self is fasten to side of support posts, the joist should be sitting on those post for better support. That deck would not even pass code where I live. Just saying.

What you've done is cut a 3" head start into the wood for it to crack all the way across and break in two . I'd keep fat people off of those stairs if I were you . The weak point is going to be on the 4th step up . Same as when people cut their own stringers and cut past the corners with a skill saw instead of cutting that last little bit with a hand saw , it makes the steps weaker

@jackorlove4055

Ай бұрын

while i agree it's potentially dangerous what he did, larry haun would have a word with you about cutting past the corners. I'll trust the master carpenter whose built hundreds of homes. He goes maybe 1/8th of an inch past, which I seriously doubt effects the integrity of the step if at all when you consider the panels + nails are going to more than compensate for any insignificant loss in structure. The guy cutting past with a skill saw is probably done cutting out a stringer in 3-6 minutes (depending on size), and the guy whose busting out his hand saw to finish it off is probably there for 15 minutes for something a) nobody is going to see, and b) does nothing when you consider the finished structure... We're really talking about something that's purely in the realm of efficiency.

This poor fella just thought he had a brilliant idea to save the day, he wanted to help everyone by sharing the secret😔😅

That completely does not pass inspection. Never make a dead-end kerf with the grain like that on anything load bearing or subject to vibration. You just weakened the structural integrity of the stringer, as now it’ll split at that kerf. If I were you, I’d drive one or two 3” structural screw up through the bottom of the bracket to help stabilize the weakened lumber.

Try installing a ledger onto the deck, notch out the back of the stringers and set them on the ledger....

@bardfromentry4020

Жыл бұрын

This!

@ronlovell5374

Жыл бұрын

You don't notch a stringer or any joist on its ends!

@AntenneSatellit

Жыл бұрын

@@ronlovell5374 not a big one, just go 1.5in square across from the very end. You'll loose about 1/2in thickness at the tip of the triangle you're cutting out, Should not be a problem if you use 2x12 Stringers, which you always should anyway

@AntenneSatellit

Жыл бұрын

@@ronlovell5374 also, ever heard of a Birdsmouth? A rafter classifies as joist as well, doesn't it? How come I can notch it then if you apparently NEVER notch ANY joist?

@ronlovell5374

Жыл бұрын

@AntenneSatellit A birdsmouth is upside down, load points aren't the same. They're under compression not tension, and yes there's rules for those as well. No more than 1/3 should be removed and in some jurisdictions 1/4. The rules vary on multiple factors like spans, slope/pitch, if the base is a deck/floor or top of a wall, if there's collar ties or a ridge beam being used. Feel free to look this up, but I'm a certified red seal carpenter with 25+ years experience with well over 100 custom homes under my belt.

I came here to try to learn some options to add stairs to my existing deck because I am a toolmaker by trade and have minimal experience with wood work. I know enough to say without a doubt that the integrity of those stringers have been severely compromised. I hope for the sake of people's safety that this is parody!

DON'T DO THIS, NEVER CUT THE BOTTOM LIKE THAT !!!

@Katter715

Жыл бұрын

The cut will spilt to the step below with a little wieght on it 🥴

@657spy

Жыл бұрын

@@Katter715 they probably broke when he put the tread on.

@venturahwy76

Жыл бұрын

if you look at the grain of the wood its on an angle so no problems with splitting.

@657spy

Жыл бұрын

@@venturahwy76 never ever cut the bottom of the stringer. Also there should be a strongback on each stringer.

@johnrap7203

Жыл бұрын

​@@venturahwy76You unnecessarily weakened the overall strength of the stringer. You would have been better to use two 90° plates on each side. 3 or four nails on each leaf would provide more than ample sheer strength support. The hanger's base support is already limited by the sheer strength of the nails you put into the ledger board. That notch you cut is now a prime access for water to get into the stringer, pool in there, and assist in speeding up future rot. Nice attempt, but at the end of the day that was a sub-par result.

Cutting those stringers for an improper hanger there’s an accident waiting to happen. Before Simpson tie lobbyist created the metal hanger industry the same quality of strength could be achieved with blocks, simply cut a Wood block of appropriate size to sandwich in between each stringer and it will be stronger than ever never twist or fail. And if you do just want to throw money at the project , Go by the correct hanger they make one for every every application

That's exactly where the stringer is going to split. They make hangers special for the stringer so you don't do stuff like this. And you should have a 2x4 plate tying the front bottom of the stringers together and anchoring them to the pad. Forgot to add you should run your decking in the same direction as your stair treads. And it wouldn't hurt to picture frame it.

No, no, no. The stair stringers will not be mounted with a floor joist bracket. Just a tip for the author 😉

They have hangers that are actually made for stringers.

I'm not a framing expert. but I'm pretty sure your slot for your hanger just compromised the structural integrity of the stringers.😂😂

Soon as those steps get overloaded those steps are immediately cracking. They make straps/ties downs/clips specifically for stringers.

I think that slot needs to be 3 or 4 inches deeper

I'm a licensed contractor, that is not the way to attach the stringers. It will eventually split them, instead put blocks between them on the ledger or use Simpsons Steel Tie A35s or A70s.

@venturahwy76

Жыл бұрын

I'm a red neck engineer, I use whatever I have laying around.

@joeferr3313

6 ай бұрын

​@@venturahwy76 great way to get someone hurt if you build something do right or don't do it

@Skiiiiiifreeeeeee

23 күн бұрын

I notch them and seat them on a 2x4 and block them. This looks like simply toe nailing would have been stronger than cutting them that deep.

You cut all the strength out of the stringer when you cut it to receive the hanger. You have less than 3 inches of actual meat to hold those stairs. Be careful that top step is going to crack right off and the stairs will fall .they make hangers for stair stringers , try them before you hurt someone

Is this a parody account? They make hangar brackets for what you are attempting. I do like the cut, really setting up a booby trap for an unsuspecting person down the line. Genius! 😂

There is a hanger that’s made for that specifically

That's a very deep cut through the backbone of a structural piece of wood. You cut the "web" section in half which reduces its strength by about 75%.

@DevinPerry-zp4cw

Жыл бұрын

this video made me sick. because of the above comment. amen

It'll make the strings snap for sure. They make metal connectors for stringers

It’ll work for maybe a yr. Then the weather will cause that to split on the first freeze then you have no steps. Never ever notch a stringer. Ever. One good size person or couple of ppl on it in the winter… boom goes the dynamite as Cleveland always said

If you are concerned about twist then just block in the stringers. I am more concerned about downward force pushing the deck frame inwards then the hole staircase going down. Never cut against the grain longitudinal when you have angled vectors of force going against the cut, it will split overtime.

Good concept but that is likely going to cause the stringers to split there. Pretty dangerous

@venturahwy76

Жыл бұрын

So far no problems, I have moved lots of heavy furniture into the house.

@robertn2813

10 ай бұрын

@@venturahwy76 But it's still the wrong thing to do .

@godofawesum223

6 ай бұрын

@@venturahwy76 It only has to fail once. and it will fail exactly at that point.

Minus that neat slit I definitely understand the sturdiness for the steps

They make an angled one for this purpose. Cutting the stringer is a bad idea.

You just made a relief cut for the stringer to split along the grain! Excellent demo!

I like it. Very cool I also like how you put those spacers between the 2 2x6’s to make sure your ledger board came all the way down to the bottom edge of the top of the stringer. Nice work my friend

You just turned a 2x10 into a 2x6, which is not to code for stringers. It will sag, and it will eventually split.

@c172215s

Жыл бұрын

Its already a 2x6 with the cuts for the treads and risers

@tenfour10-400

Жыл бұрын

@@c172215s oh, so now the stringers are what, 2x4’s? Scary.

@c172215s

Жыл бұрын

@@tenfour10-400 Pretty much. Although a 2x4 will support more load on an angle than horizontal. And the steeper the angle the greater the load it will support, but I still would not do this.

Super sturdy *pushes down* yep super. The hanger connects to the deck very strongly no doubt. Great idea to do it the way nobody ever should.. might as well prepay the doctor now for the cast and crutches.

Super. I suggest a metal stair stringer hanger strap, however, if you cut a stringer out of a wider board, say a 2 × 10 or 2 × 12, you can cut in the angle for the joist hanger, then rip the rest of the stringer down to 9 to 11 inches wide, but that seems like a lot of work when you can just use the right hanger. 💙 T.E.N.

Best way is to make your top rise in line with the top of the deck. It means that your deck will be longer by the depth of your top tread but you can undersized your deck to account for it. And if you don't want a 2x12 tread at the elevation of the deck you can finish the top tread with continuation of deck boards. You can also notch the deck to accept a seamless stair connection, but this concept allows the strongest stair connection without having to build down the joist to catch the first rise. I don't expect most to understand what I'm saying. Instead of making the stringers with five rises, I would have made them with six rises.

They make adjustable strap hangers for stringers that doest ruin the integrity of the wood. Cutting your stringer makes a lot weaker.

Imagine doing all this extra work instead of buying the right hanger

That’s great we were doing that 20 years ago. I found overtime that when you cut the wood to slide the hanger in the place you cut it tends to crack across not good. Simpson makes a LS bracket that nails to the back or front of the deck and then straps down under the stringer. Much better connection.

This guy just literally dissolved structural support of his stair stringer 😂

simpson does make stair stringer hangers

It’s so encouraging to read over and over again to not do this. So many times I’ve seen videos with significant design flaws, but the majority of the comments are something like, “That’s great. I want to make one just like yours.”

Imagine what hes thinking, "oh man people are going to love this building tip." This is almost malicious because its actually a really good way for someone to get critically injured falling through your fucking steps.

Legend has it that he is still climbing up and down those stairs.

I just used those stair stringer brackets. No need to cut the stringer or add another board to the deck!

Around here, that would be a no no. If the deck was permitted in the building official site, he might flag it, or imho should. But to each his own!

That slot you cut for the hangers is ridiculous 10/10 don’t recommend

They actually make brackets specifically for stringers and they wrap around the bottom. You essentially reduced the strength of the stringer by 20-30% cutting into it. I’d put a short beam or brace underneath now to support the whole step

You can see when looking across the grain that you have cut halfway through the width of the strength element of the stringer. It is now half as strong as it is meant to be. This is a perfect example of why you don't alter the design of something without understanding the physics of it (or even if you do frankly). It's the reason why there are so many codes to follow, because you can't trust idiots looking for shortcuts to design and make something safe or functional.

This dude isn't a fool. He knows how to get people commenting. It's the old Diaz Construction method of comment farming

Its so much easier, cheaper, quicker, stronger to just block in between the stringers, or make them up as a separate frame to fix on

Some guys know just enough carpentry, to be build dangerous shit. He is case in point. Even the deck itself is wrong on every level .

Won't pass code of an inspector finds it.

Pretty slick solution, concearned the cut would compromise the structural support.

Although the idea looks nice but it looks like the 2x6 May have lost its los capacity It can split in two leaving the stringer and the bracket attached but the stringer split in two If you ever try to haul some heavy furniture in those stairs

Problem with your idea….. putting a cut in stringer removes structural integrity to the stringer. Simple angles in corners would take care of that.

Watch that split right across the line later on 😂

I tried this and it works. I have nine steps to back door. I also put a base plate at the bottom anchored to the cement.

Another installment of the goofy carpenter.😂😂😂.... Check it out guys look how easily I just ruined the integrity of these stair stringers.😂😂😂

They make hangars specifically for stair stringers but why wouldn't you just screw/nail from the back side into the stringer?

That horizontal notch makes that stringer that much "Less Wide" at the "ledger " connection

When homeowners shouldn’t be do home fixings

That "slot" you cut just made it a weak point when you add weight to the stairs, it can split through. 🤕

Madame Madell the great psychic forsees much misfortune in your future😮

Do not do this! This guy obviously doesn't understand structural design. Cutting a slit in that board where he has it causes a stress riser at the root of the cut and downward forces will exacerbate splitting this stringer. Do NOT do this.

You do know you're gonna need duct tape to fix them.

that crack on the last deck board is sweet

They make adjustable stringer brackets, don't do this. That kerf cut *will* make those stair stringers split over time. It may take 1 year, it may take 8, but it will absolutely crack.

I'm sorry to tell you but this is very wrong. You never put cuts into your stair stringers you seriously compromised the strength. I'm a home inspector and I would fail the deck right there for that reason. And there's no reason to do what you did. There are proper ways of attaching stairs to decks.

You don’t even need to be a carpenter to tell that this is going to split.😂😂😂

That is a TERRIBLE way! It will split. Use a proper stair hanger, 90° hangers either side, or a strap from behind and under. This is DANGEROUS.

And that cut is gonna the fail point as it allows water to sit in there and start damage. Use a tread hanger Or cut a 90° instead of just a slit

Personally I would add a third stringer but then again I run around 230. Dude no. Don't do that.

They offer proper stringer hangers and hardware. Keep building tho!

I'm going out on a limb here....but you didn't take any physics classes did you?😂

That’s a good way to weaken the stringer

Easiest way to weaken your stringers and eventually turn them into a seesaw

I agree with most all the comments here about him weakening the syrength of each sttinger, but I would also not attach a set of stairs and expect it to be supported well and not bounce too much from a 2 x 6 band board that is supported by 4 x 4 posts possibly five or six feet away from each other. That will bounce and in time sag, and it looks to me by the 45 degree angle butt end cuts of the deck boards that is also supporting the deck above and then there is a landing on top of that. However, if you look at the amount of siding from the bottom of the house band board to the actual threshold of the door it looks like the houses floor joist's are built also with two by sixes or maybe 2 x 8's at the most, and the block peers tell its a prefab. Probably the most junk homes I've ever seen built, so this guy's misguided pride in his self apointed skills does not surprise me much.

Here’s another tip. Run the stringer underneath and cut an extra step so you don’t have that ugly board on the front. Also poor some concrete.

Now put something under to suport it to rectify your mistake 😉

Hey guys here’s a little tip for you….. they make stringer hangers. Second tip you can run structural screws in from the back. 3rd tip dont cut your stringer you need 4” between the edge and cut. With that slot there is no 4” clear material left.

This is what happen when you are not 100% on how physics works, the stringers are already strong because of the angle attach to the deck, you don’t need extra hangers to support something that’s already support by gravity all you need is to nail it and that’s all

It's going to split, get you a slopeable hanger

yall see the guy sitting at the bottom of the step listening like, "this B.S., did he really just do this?" LOL But of course he told his boy to go ahead and post that on KZread, they will call you a genius".

“You won’t believe how firmly that attaches” You won’t believe how fast a crack will follow that grain in the wood and fucks your day up 😂

I wouldn't want to use the stairs for carrying in a heavy appliance or piece of furniture. It'll split under the first riser notch.

Made a nice split point “way better then the correct way”

The whole step is weakened by that split you made. There’s no question, it Will definitely break!