Super Spam vs Spinning Axe | Charge Blade Discussion (Sunbreak Version 16.0.0)

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I discuss Charge Blade Playstyles in Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak version 16 and how SAED spam compares to Spinning Axe. I have linked down below a spreadsheet for my calculations of current and previous TU videos.
Time stamps:
0:00 Super Spam
4:13 Spinning axe
9:13 Which is better?
Charge Blade Spreadsheet:docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Tu1: • Meta Charge Blade Buil...
Tu2: • Charge Blade META Sets...
Tu3: • Charge Blade Meta | Su...
Tu4: • Charge Blade Meta | Su...
Tu5: • Charge Blade Meta | Su...
Charge Blade Math Video: • Charge Blade Math | Su...
Also, if you want the theory behind sets here is a 30+ page document for the explanations
Charge Blade TU 1-BU Doc: docs.google.com/document/d/1d...
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  • @FailToilet
    @FailToilet9 ай бұрын

    Both of them are important but i find SAED more fun to play, they made spinning axe annoying since if u get knocked out of it u gotta charge it again+ can't use wirefall.

  • @greadyknight

    @greadyknight

    9 ай бұрын

    Super spam is fun until its not. A lot of matchups are lowkey miserable and requires more effort to do well with. A good matchups are curbstomps but bad matchups make me cry instead. Spinning axe surprised me as i was climbing through special investigations. I could just box with the mon all day and not die. Speed doesnt matter cuz you are Ready...stance. (bad pun).

  • @devilzelink
    @devilzelink5 ай бұрын

    I used to speedrun in MHW, and you've been my constant reference for Sunbreak. Very glad to see that much in depth informations. Thanks

  • @whymi6
    @whymi67 ай бұрын

    Thank you again for your insifgt, keep up the good work, you rock!

  • @greadyknight

    @greadyknight

    7 ай бұрын

    Glad to provide some value. Btw Im close to finishing up the Special Investigations and I found that Saed requires WAAAY more grinding to do well with while css is a very sane playstyle for the average player. However, saed ends up being the goal for time attacking.

  • @paullucas9536
    @paullucas953614 күн бұрын

    I prefer SAED playstyle. CSS makes me feel like I'm playing knockoff swirchaxe. That being said, there are matchups that are objectively better for CSS. Smaller/Faster monsters are a nightmare for SAED and I often find myself going from charging phials into an elemental discharge just to build damage and stun before another combo can begin. And those monsters, it would be hard to deny that CSS isnt better

  • @greadyknight

    @greadyknight

    14 күн бұрын

    I found that Saed is big on prediction while css is big on reaction. Im better at reacting than predicting so css plays better with my style, but i put in some serious hours to learn and master saed as well. Imo if the numbers werent as skewed as they were in sunbreak, css and saed would be mechanically balanced cuz they warranted using one over the other based on matchup. I think moving forward they should continue this by having buzzsaw deal with fast mons and saed deal with slower or preditable mons.

  • @endmymiseryyy7908
    @endmymiseryyy790813 күн бұрын

    the only thing I don't like about CSS is the hitlag compared to Savage Axe in Iceborne.

  • @greadyknight

    @greadyknight

    13 күн бұрын

    100% fair. It was a trade of animation length for consistency. Like it bothered me when hopping to iceborne and seeing 1 or 2 ticks vs the guaranteed 5 in risebresk. Also vertical chops were used more in iceborne cuz they could get 4-6 ticks on a legs. Ed consistently got like 2-3.

  • @mbanzf
    @mbanzf8 ай бұрын

    I use both bdw using switch skill book, I don't really care about build I just play and learning the monster movement and attack if have change.

  • @greadyknight

    @greadyknight

    8 ай бұрын

    Im a bit weird and find using hybrid distracting. Sticking to a single playstyle helps me focus on thar one playstyle's bread and butters. A hybrid playstyle forces me to think do i saed or double chop? And that split second decisiom will result in me getting hit. Its possible to use it, but its not for everyone and you have a slight tradeoff buildwise. (Ie Fitting in load shells onto a css build)

  • @Avavago27
    @Avavago278 ай бұрын

    Hey! Pretty new to the game (250h) and series, and fell in love with spinning axe since the first mission! I hear a lot that saed is the superior playstyle of the weapon, but i dont really know about it and even if it is, spinning axe is just too sexy for me. Im currently on mr127 climbing with elemental css, and the only true wall i hit is primordial malzeno. I dont think he's possible to kill with CSS and my current setup, every hit is hard enough to break my stance. Any tips on how do deal with him using CSS or should I just go for SAED?

  • @greadyknight

    @greadyknight

    8 ай бұрын

    You need guard 5 and points in embolden ( i believe 2 levels) to guard everything. But he does have 2 unguardable attacks, hitting through guard up. The qurio field and his ult. Primordial is a slightly bad matchup because you need to be on point with your guards and aggression. A mistep at this rank will result in a cart. For specifically saed, rapid morph 3 and guard investment is required to even match primordial. Its not gonna be a fun time without them.

  • @Avavago27

    @Avavago27

    8 ай бұрын

    I thought so. Right now I'm running guard 5 and guard up 2 without embolden. Almost every hit is a reset for me, so I'm not seeing a way around it. My saed build is not really that optimal and I don't have enough practice, but maybe with a lot of effort I can deal with it

  • @greadyknight

    @greadyknight

    8 ай бұрын

    @PedroCosta-ed8io saed requires you to aim for the face against primal's mobility + combos. Css is 'easier' in that regard but the hunt is still rough until you master the patterns.

  • @thefinalday5858

    @thefinalday5858

    8 ай бұрын

    You can beat the game with almost any build People here make a big deal of builds But the difference between optimized or not is 5 to 10 minutes per hunt The best tip is Know your weapon and know the monster

  • @4evertyranitar
    @4evertyranitar5 ай бұрын

    I am replaying through Rise with CB since I want to improve with it despite it being by far my most used weapon in every game since its introduction, but I keep trying to make impact (S)AED work. Savage axe just doesn't work for me but SAED is way better on elemental in this game. At times I had tried to use both playstyles in one build but it doesn't work out. I really hope Wilds brings Impact back to par or near par with elemental when it comes to phial damage

  • @greadyknight

    @greadyknight

    5 ай бұрын

    Impact phial is solid for progression, because its efficent on resources but there needs to a safi or brachy equivalent for impact phial for it to stand a chance at being meta. Unfortunately, there wasn't one in risebreak.

  • @4evertyranitar

    @4evertyranitar

    5 ай бұрын

    @@greadyknight yeah it's not my first time doing it, in world I did feel comfortable enough on pure raw aside from Alatreon. I'll have to see what I do in Rise this time, at least as far as endgame goes

  • @abendr0t42
    @abendr0t427 ай бұрын

    I personally don't like CSS, not knocking those who do, but I really wish they would balance the game so both playstyles are viable across all matchups. That way if you like CSS you can do that, and if you like OG mode you can do that, without being forced to learn both. 4U was my first game and I fell in love with guard points and big slams, CSS might as well be a different weapon. I use axe hopper for those bad matchups instead

  • @greadyknight

    @greadyknight

    7 ай бұрын

    Tbh ive slogged through mhgu with charge blade and it was basically what sunbreak ended up being, just VERY polished. I like that there isnt 1 way to play cb and i hope they do make spinning axe a tad bit stronger to match saed's 3k+ phial damage.

  • @abendr0t42

    @abendr0t42

    7 ай бұрын

    @greadyknight Totally agree. My main issue with the current state of CB is just that there's certain monsters you basically can't use GP style on. Just make both playstyles equally strong and make GP style usable against every monster

  • @greadyknight

    @greadyknight

    7 ай бұрын

    @abendr0t42 technically you can use gps on everything, but you end up being locked behind your shield for more of a hunt for bad matchups.

  • @deanmanalo3856
    @deanmanalo385620 күн бұрын

    how can you block while the CSS is active?

  • @greadyknight

    @greadyknight

    20 күн бұрын

    Ready stance maintains CSS, giving you a guard at the cost of a wirebug.

  • @justinwong8676
    @justinwong86769 ай бұрын

    For SAED i run guard 3 and embolden 3, gameplay is awesome, for Savage Axe i run guard 2 embolden 3 as ready stance quite strong.

  • @justinwong8676

    @justinwong8676

    9 ай бұрын

    And i totally agree with your viewpoints, savage axe is easy and gives more space for reaction and mistakes but SAED is more fun to play. Love the charge blade

  • @greadyknight

    @greadyknight

    9 ай бұрын

    I had to look up guard stats for optimal levels, basically odd levels of guard allow you to reduce recoil and guard reaction from attacks (1, 3, 5, 7, 9). Guard 4 + embolden 2 would get you 7 levels. Increase to embolden 3 to get 9 levels. I think that guard as a mechanic is just neat and emboldeb should return in future games.

  • @greadyknight

    @greadyknight

    9 ай бұрын

    Yeah sunbreak charge blade perfected both playstyles. Savage axe was good but sunbreak fine tuned it into spinning axe + ready stance. And super spam is just master pie with counter peak +morphing advance.

  • @justinwong8676

    @justinwong8676

    9 ай бұрын

    @@greadyknight i see, thats why yours are a bit different than mine, thank you!

  • @justinwong8676

    @justinwong8676

    9 ай бұрын

    @@greadyknight exactly, both styles are perfect in sunbreak but i guess is difficult to maintain it to the next game, not sure as rise is my first mh game

  • @flintsky82
    @flintsky828 ай бұрын

    Do u have an elemental impact build for savage axe? CB. Pls let me know. Thanks

  • @greadyknight

    @greadyknight

    8 ай бұрын

    Fire- rathalos Water - mizutsune or amatsu Thunder - astalos Ice -kushala Dragon - chaotic gore

  • @flintsky82

    @flintsky82

    8 ай бұрын

    @@greadyknight what about armor sets, decos and skills?

  • @greadyknight

    @greadyknight

    8 ай бұрын

    Same as element sets. Just swap weapons/decos for blessings.

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