"You agree?" "Yeah... I brought it up"

The whole discussion is, like most discussions on the internet, not nuanced enough, imho. Sumo is indeed biomechanically more efficient, because its more in the middle of the hip hinge/squat-spectrum. It behaves more like a trap-bar deadlift, because it spreads the workload evenly between leg- and hip-extension, meaning you can absolutely engage more total muscle mass when pulling. Conventional is much more on the hip hinge side of things, meaning you are more limitited by the strenth of your posterior chain, while quads dont contribunte that much to the movement. Also rom is shorter sumo. It is harder to learn, but easier because more efficient, once you got it going.

@thomasarmstrong4729

Жыл бұрын

You're right 100% but I think it's important to point out that depending on leverages a narrow conventional stance will actually have significantly more quad engagement. Getting those knees over the bar as much as possible really changes things.

Sumo is harder for some people, conventional is harder for others. If one way was always easier, then no one would pull the harder way lmao.

@jorgepadilla8449

Жыл бұрын

Facts bro everyone’s anatomy is different people just gotta mind their business and do what’s best for them lmao

Criss cross apple sauce 😂😂 mike was hilarious this video

Depends on each person body proportions, strengths and weaknesses. For some is an advantage and for others not so much.

Banger

i train almost exclusively sumo for about 3 years now and i can pull about 90-95% of my sumo max conventional, i had trained conventional for the first couple years i was lifting and switched after a car accident messed up my back, im very confident that if i train conventional it would be just as strong if not stronger but i favor sumo to minimize the risk of re-injury because of that compromising conventional position

There’s a reason why lifters suggest to start with conventional FIRST cause it’s easier to learn and easier to figure out the movement

Getting strong at sumo improved my squat!!

I trained sumo for 2 years, only managed to pull about 405 for a heavy single. As soon as I changed to conventional I did 405 for 3x7 reps and hit about 500 heavy single within a year.

@Clean_Duners

Жыл бұрын

Sumo is cheating cbum even said so end of argument

@CocaKolaa

Жыл бұрын

@@Clean_Duners Cbum is a bodybuilder not a powerlifter or strongman

@Ep1cRainbow

Жыл бұрын

@@Clean_Duners do you have your own opinions? also what's your deadlift

@XxJoeswansonxX

Жыл бұрын

Cause you weren’t born with sumo leverages

@XxJoeswansonxX

Жыл бұрын

@@CocaKolaa well Alexander bromley said sumo was cheating he’s a powerlifter and a stron man

It is

It's funny that you never hear the strongest powerlifters, regardless of whether they pull conventional or sumo, say that sumo is cheating. Just insecure gymbros who have never competed or people who have never competed outsidd of a local meet.

@larryprochko

Жыл бұрын

Cbum said sumo is cheating

@sebastianumbay7914

Жыл бұрын

@@larryprochko and he is not a powerlifter.

@andyhuynh7892

Жыл бұрын

@@larryprochko he’s also nowhere near the strongest in fact compared to a pure power lifter at his height and weight Cbum is actually weak

@h2egoalkeeper700

4 ай бұрын

You definitely do hear them say it lol, it’s literally not allowed in strongman

@Micheldied

4 ай бұрын

@@h2egoalkeeper700 when did I mention strongman? And name me some examples of top level powerlifters talking shit about sumo. I've only ever heard Russ say he doesn't think it should be allowed.u

Mike: lemme dumb it down a step Bart: idk what the fuck you just said 😂😂 same Bart, same

once technique is good for sumo it's 100% cheating in my opinion

Mike’s conventional actually looks clean asf…

It's not cheating in competition. It's cheating yourself though.

I’m too high for the voice over lip sync 🤣🤣 it looks like that one movie where these brokers or salespeople on the phones have to put on “the voice” which is a white persons voice and it hella reminds me of that movie

The cheating is the bars that bend easily.

Yes it is

Bart ..you ever been on gear or in a cycle?

I've said it before, sumo not cheating. It's a different lift and not a deadlift. Sumo needs it's own category.

@sawqon8567

Жыл бұрын

Not by your definition it's not. However, by the definition of a "deadlift", sumo is quite literally a deadlift. If you want it to be separate, you should push for the definition of a "deadlift" to include the hands being outside the shins.

most people that say "sumo is cheating or easier or doesn't count" have never tried to max out their sumo before to have any idea. and couldnt sumo pull their conventional max

Silent mike became irrelevant after mark bell

@brandonvang9464

Жыл бұрын

How so?

@Wo1fLarsen

Жыл бұрын

I disagree, but I miss those days. I liked what Mike and Mark were doing over there.

@stevend481

Жыл бұрын

What a nasty comment. Good for Mike to go his own way. Mark sucks anyway

I’ve always said that conventional is cheating because it’s easier 😂

If Sumo is more difficult to master, and hence it is more exclusive, but allows ppl to lift more weight for those who can, isn’t that the very definition of cheating?? Fewer ppl can do the thing that allows them to lift more?? Rather than standardising the deadlift form for competition??

@Micheldied

Жыл бұрын

By that logic, having better leverages for a lift is cheating because fewer people have it.

@y2kv1

Жыл бұрын

@@Micheldied You can't change your leverages, but you can choose your deadlift form, very important distinction. Like women who only date tall men, then get offended when men say they don't date fat women, you can control your weight but you can't change your height.

@Suds1407

Жыл бұрын

That’s like saying having good form in clean and jerk is cheating

@Micheldied

Жыл бұрын

@@y2kv1 We can choose to make lifters with long arms stand on blocks to "make it fairer" for everyone else, right?

@y2kv1

Жыл бұрын

@@Micheldied In theory yes, but are you going to measure the exact block height for every individual? if you compare it to another sport like swimming, in theory you could add in a height class for ppl with a longer reach, but they don't make physical leverages a factor either, but the obvious form is the main thing, freestyle VS freestyle, butterfly VS butterfly, it only makes sense for conventional deadlift VS conventional, sumo VS sumo, it's not an equal comparison.

The issue is folks that does sumos and say they're doing regular deadlifts. It's cool to do sumos, you do you, but call it sumo deadlifts.

I stopped watching when he said “Sumo is harder”….