My mother does this, she can be so cruel, too. My dad does not usually talk much, and rarely talks just for fun. We drove home from a doctors appointment, dad had gotten some good news and he was so happy and relieved that he uncharacteristically commented all kinds of things. It's so beautiful outside and such. Mom did not say one word to him during the whole drive. She was even not angry at him so not a "normal" silent treatment. It was heartbreaking, their marriage is so sad.

@LuvableAF

24 күн бұрын

That’s sad.

@ElGancha

14 күн бұрын

can someone use AI to complete this story?

Without them devaluing us, we would't become addicted to the idealization phase.

@Butterfly-if1qs

25 күн бұрын

Well said. Thanks

Since narcs only give bread crumbs, their perfect partner would probably be a bird! Poor bird...

@Butterfly-if1qs

25 күн бұрын

Really......Poooor Bird😢

@mpeniak

21 күн бұрын

RIP poor bird

Thank you so much for this video. The SUBTLE devaluation is devastating and yet to hard to prove. It's almost imposible to explain to another person, and most of the times when you try to do so you end up feeling like you are the problematic one. Even worse when you try to talk about it in therapy and your own therapist might be missing the sadistic twist this apparently meaningless actions have

@prant8998

14 күн бұрын

So true. It’s not only the devaluation, it the sadistic part of it, where they want to hurt you. When that happens, you have to use that information, mark it down, remember it, and get out. If someone loves you for real, they don’t get off on hurting you. My parents didn't raise me to be tied to the whipping post for anyone's pleasure. Now, anyone can, by mistake, say a hurtful remark. But, you apologize, and move on. There has to be a boundary, and some verbal clarification, a mea culpa. What’s the point of being in relationship if your partner doesn’t have your back?

Thank you, Dr Magee, for your entire body of work & research! You present this information in such a professional, non-judgmental manner. Your objectivity is appreciated!

Vulnerable narcissts, swing from one extreme to another one moment giving you the silent treatment and devaluing you, but once they want something outvof you the extreme love bombing sets in. You can never win!😮

@LolaClo

19 күн бұрын

That is so true!!!! When they need you, you are the most important person in the world. But when you don’t provide supply, they devalue to anyone and everyone that will hear them

@BrianMurfitt

19 күн бұрын

@@LolaClo Too true! 🥺😬

I have never known illnesses like this until I met my Ex. 4 yrs and he's a musician. Childhood abandonement so cruel and he has BDP + covert narcissism. His mood swings are frightening. High in ADHD. 💔

It's so obvious, they are pathetic. May you all be whole & balanced on the inside ❤

@W-superS

24 күн бұрын

❤

@carlafunk7729

22 күн бұрын

Well said, Well said.

This is spot on. Thank you; explains so much.

God. The devaluing is SO SO UGLY… esp if you have no Non-devaluing family..

You mean like when a flying monkey tells you they're concerned and want to hear you, letting you know they know things you didn't tell them, and they gaslight you about that, insist on the talk, which disrupts what you came to see them about, and then they refuse to hear you, imply you're off (despite years otherwise) and refuse to consider what they, themselves wanted you to talk about? This iust happened with a body restructurist, who lied to me about her being co-opted. I'm sure the purpose of this was to trash my reputation thru the same evil grapevine that took my life.

@Lyrielonwind

28 күн бұрын

I understand it feels so isolating but being in a very narcissistic environment is making me avoidant...I don't know if that's good news but I am so sick of narcissistic people... they are everywhere. I wouldn't talk to them if you have the smallest doubt. Listen to them, smile to them and leave... that's what I'm going to do and what I'm doing. This people will look offended and it's ok. I'm sorry we are becoming so robotic and there's no room for collectivity. Our systems want us like herd or isolated...I choose hermit mode. I don't have fun with people anymore and I don't want to give them a chance to hurt me if is in my power and my power is ignoring them.

I love this and panicked, too. This is what happened between me and my ex when I was in the worst circumstances in my life. When I realized I was being narcassitic because I was in super people pleaser mode and struggling to keep my life afloat. I dumped him. Not because I didn't love him. I was no longer emotionally available, and he was not in a partition to support me, so I had to go it alone. I lost my memory due to stress and was sadly too much.

omg thank you!! This makes complete sense. YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW U HELPED ME 💜

It stopped being “subtle” the last birthday he ruined for me .

THey will not accept gifts/ you can't have 'anything' on them- So you have no one to give to- Objects/touch be careful if her parents are near death and they have a decent estate. No matter how much you spent on family. All good news gets a sigh.

Thank you very much

the moment I started to give short answers , also replied after days ( the way i have been treated for years) and the patterns suddenly became crystal clear for me, blaming me; I do not understand it , that that person was going through a bad situation, that I was selfish etc , even almost be able to predict the next step. I already had said I only wanted to communicate by text so my words or theirs could"nt be that wrongly misinterpreted, I cut of all contact with my family, 2 months ago now , and slowly i feel a bit more a live

@leannemione340

25 күн бұрын

I just gave 2 narcissists in my life 3 months of putting our relationship on pause while I re-evaluate whether I want them in my life. It's going to be difficult but it's exactly what I need to do.

@kimduiveman4148

25 күн бұрын

@@leannemione340 big hug

@leannemione340

25 күн бұрын

@@kimduiveman4148 thanks. Feeling used and stupid but I'm back in control.

@carlafunk7729

21 күн бұрын

@leannemione340 More power to you 💪 ❤️ Manipulative types of people never realize that I can take back my own power & authority in relation to them. The very same power & control they're trying to exert over me. I can & will phase them out of my life if necessary rather than allow ANYBODY, blood related or not, to dictate my feelings, behaviors, twist my words, break my spirit, try to dictate my moods, try to question my decision making abilities, etc, etc. into infinity... I may really love a person or relative, but in the end, we all sometimes must make some really painful, hard choices for our own sanity & good health. Loving ourselves 1st & foremost, living life on our terms w/caring, real, nontoxic people of our own choosing. Peace. ❤️

Is suttle boundary crossing also a narcissistic trick?

@timmywitty1432

22 күн бұрын

Yes.

Thank you for the great video.

Awesome information, thank you.

Excellent video! Very informative!

They're probably texting their new supply.

This is a daily occurrence

I wish you can make time to talk about induced conversation. I go to a store where all workers are women from Netherlands. I have been cutting my purchase and now I just want to buy their bread. Pretty soon I won't buy anything at all in there. The reason is that they induced me in a conversation to have another co-worker to call them, kind of "saved by the bell" but they do it in an insidious way because I don't go there to have a "chat". I know I don't have a social tissue and I appreciate people who talk to me but they induce me to a conversation when there's no one around in dull hours but I find them so b¡thy... it's a pattern. One always tell me about her having a great house, husband and kids...I just couldn't care less and never asked them but I just listen to them because I have been so indoctrinated to not being rude... I'm just won't talk to them, no matter if they want to talk to me because I know what's coming next and I think is xenophobia. People from the Netherlands who came to live to Spain because they "couldn't stand foreigners" in their country... but they treat Spanish people as if we were the bubonic plague. They just want their business for their own people and I guess I will cut any interaction with any foreigner... they bring their guettos within. I speak English but I don't want to speak it anymore. Doesn't it sounds like a sad, fake joke? Leaving your country because there are too many inmigrants and they migrate to a sunny country...why don't they say their weather sucks? 😂 Btw, they call themselves "expat" not inmigrants.😂 I can't stand people who makes everything a competition when you just want to buy bread...so long... Netherlanders.

How would this appy to EUPD/BPD, i had a relationships and child with the above mention personality disorder and she cam across extremely narcissistic at times, the hole relationship loved then hated, manipulative and extreamly controlling, more on EUPD/BPD and npd and ending up with cptsd, how it can lead becoming disregulated and as it felt being push to the limits to reacting then being blamed for reacting,

I think that sums it all …😂 maybe the best way is to leave them.. waiting for a response…😁

Is this abuse in a marriage?

@annakrajan

27 күн бұрын

Well....I want to know it, too. My husband acts like this. And I'm wondering if it is a kind of abuse or not.....

@mimi42428

26 күн бұрын

It is absolutely abuse. And it only gets worse

@ruthhay608

26 күн бұрын

I had decades of this kind of treatment before I discovered I was married to a narcissist. I was saved by concentrating on my career then educating myself about narcissism through people like you. Thank you.

@kikit0732

26 күн бұрын

My family has always been emotionally cold, mean, with bad tempers. And I was raised to understand that I could have control over others by doing good things. So I don’t understand what is abuse. I thought he was being distant and agitated because of something I did that hurt his feelings. And when I asked him what it was, he would say “You should know, if you love me then you would know”

@leannemione340

25 күн бұрын

@@kikit0732 Narcissists are abusive and they can stop a people pleaser a mile away.

My husband is calling his old girlfriend…. And a woman …. regularly…. across the country….

Narcs don’t connect but just control ❤️‍🩹 the entire time that you thought there was a relationship, it was simply a manipulation