The base remakes were a great touch

@cobijones9448

7 ай бұрын

I agree

@blindstrike4684

7 ай бұрын

It was so amazing indeed!

@Trainboi1983

3 ай бұрын

I rebuilt all the degasi bases on my creative subnaughtica world as a tribute to them

@Gamerafighter76

15 күн бұрын

Eeyup, he really did his research.

I feel so bad for Bart. He was just a young curious individual that wanted to do more discovering and research, but his life was sadly cut short because of the decisions of his dad.

@kayla_white01

6 ай бұрын

Kind of like the kid who died in that sub implosion recently

@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad

6 ай бұрын

​@@kayla_white01the game foreshadowing of the incident for years?

@foooobar10

6 ай бұрын

@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad Nah just plain coincidence bud

@kayla_white01

5 ай бұрын

@@foooobar10 you'd have to be a silly Billy not to see the connection

@esauvera9289

5 ай бұрын

​@@kayla_white01it's just a simple connection that both sons met their demise by the choices of their fathers. There ain't no way that a game was prophesying some sub getting crushed many years later

Why yes, Marguerite is indeed part of the ecosystem now, heck you could even say she's an apex predator

@themarksmanxii7256

2 ай бұрын

Lol below zero reference

@Venenus_MC

28 күн бұрын

even ate leviathan meat, probably could say she is kind of a leviathan type of treath (hope i said that right (89))

@Venenus_MC

27 күн бұрын

its threat sorry

@Gamerafighter76

15 күн бұрын

Eeyup.

the sad part is that the last base could've told us a bit more about Bart's last days/weeks, but the Aurora destroyed the base and possibly any other PDAs

@Adakhal

4 ай бұрын

No joke BRO T_T

@Venenus_MC

28 күн бұрын

maybe not destroyed by the crash land tho, the things are bulletproof or something, the pda's probably disintegrated with the explosion

@rubenlohata5263

5 күн бұрын

@@Adakhal ok?

Not only is it sad that Bart died before he could find out how to cure the disease, but also that all of his final work and home got destroyed when the Aurora landed. Imagine if there was a way to explore his final base.

@mr_spartan2413

6 ай бұрын

It is sad but his research wasn’t in vein, without his discoveries we would have never had access to the facilities

@StegoAqua

5 ай бұрын

His skeleton if it was still there, it got utterly body by the Aurora

@valkriejake

4 ай бұрын

unless you’re talking about the base that the show in the cinematic trailer or one of the trailers he went island kellyshrok caves deep grand reef and then he went back too the island base at the end of hisblifr

@masteryadiel

4 ай бұрын

@@valkriejake yeah, the cinematic one, the one that got crushed by the aurora

@valkriejake

4 ай бұрын

@@masteryadiel oh alright

I like how Bart's POV continues off of whoever is speaking, showing that he's the one neutral party in all this, just there due to his father's choices and just making the best of it by studying the planet.

I love how a Captain, a Biologist and a Mercenary had it worse than a janitor. One Riley is enough to defeat fauna, build bases, feed himself, establish communication with an outside ship, establish communication with a Sea Emperor, cure Kharaa within himself, hatch the Emperor's children, become a step dad for lovely little Emperors, turn off the Main Architect Defence Weapon, build a rocket and succesfully escape with tonnes of diamonds in tow, probably buying out the entire Alterra Corporation

@matheusexpedito4577

3 ай бұрын

3 trillion in debt? Well how about you check out these diamonds and rubys

@NiCoNiCoNiCola

3 ай бұрын

@@matheusexpedito4577 "haha nearly endless cube of energy goes vzoom"

@B.L.U.S

2 ай бұрын

riley is not an janitor he is an chief manager idfk

@NiCoNiCoNiCola

2 ай бұрын

@@B.L.U.S chief janitor

@B.L.U.S

2 ай бұрын

@@NiCoNiCoNiCola funny joke but no

People rag on Paul too much, and worship Margeurit too much. Both of them had very different views, and neither of them were inherently correct, as Bart says. Paul was playing things safe, perhaps a little too safe. His ideas for survival were sound, but a sound plan never lasts against such an unknown and alien environment. Margeurit was too hot headed and reckless, while she was right about needing the resources from the deep, she was wrong to want to stay down there just for said resources. Paul was very understandably not okay with the idea of going deeper, any normal person in such a situation would want to stay on solid ground. His constant threatening to dock Maida's pay also shows that he was confident in escaping, and that he was fearful of the ramifications that could come his way if he did whatever it took to survive. Meanwhile Maida was too obsessed with beating the environment. She doesn't like Paul for being a corporatist bourgeoisie in her own words, but also holds a very imperialist "Kill anything threatening, and use the resources to kill the next big thing". It's only when Bart reveals they're sick that reality seems to set in for both of them. That they're sick with alien bacteria, and know nothing about it. For once the two are not fighting eachother for power, and their reactions reflect their personalities. Paul is afraid, but trusts his son's intelligence and asks if theres anything he can do to help his son possibly learn more about it, any resource he can scrounge up. But Maida doesn't want to be threatened by it, almost as if the idea of being taken out by an invisible bacterium is insulting to her, so she starts cracking remarks about the absurdity of it and what it could do to them. She doesn't want to be weakened by and lose to such a thing. Really, the writing and characterization of the Dagasi Survivors is incredible.

@artur6912

Ай бұрын

True, in the end it was Marguerite decision that caused the reaper attack. Bart seemed to be the wisesd of them all, despite being the youngest, recognizing that both extremes of Paul and Marguerite will kill them all.

man this actually describes their story the right way, great vid mate!

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

Thanks man! I’m glad you enjoyed

@TheLadsGames759

8 ай бұрын

@@Breathtaker5000 w Video, plus any tips on finding the Lost River? I lost my way to it, and I don’t know where it is now. Sorry if I already asked you, I just have bad memory when it comes to questions

@JoseBR520_NoobContent

8 ай бұрын

@@TheLadsGames759 Remember you are in youtube, one search away from finding what you seek. There's one entrance near the south-western BloodKelp and Dunes. At least one Reaper nearby Another entrance is just turning left and diagonally downwards after visiting Degasi's Deep Grand Reef base. Just mind the Crabsquids and Warpers. Safest path tho. The only North-east entrance is between the Mountains (QEP Island) and the Bulb zone. One mountain Reaper near there.

@massimilianosozzi5882

8 ай бұрын

​@@Breathtaker5000 i see that tips and making bases are getting more views

@thegermanfool8953

8 ай бұрын

🎉

Mercury II’s Survivors and their fate maybe? Even though the game pretty much spells it out I’d still like to hear it all in one sitting without stopping.

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

It’s definitely on the to-do list :)

I liked this a lot better than trying to piece together audiologs with Reapers eating me, and that's saying something, since I found the original experience pretty enjoyable. I was so busy that I didn't ever consider the logs much, but with this talented narration I can fully appreciate the writing and character arcs. They're better than I thought.

@Biscuithands

4 ай бұрын

Why not listen to them at base?

it was so amazing that you rebuilt the abandoned bases! nice work!

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

Thanks :)

They should’ve made Bart’s base explorable by putting it on the edge of the crash zone. It’d be really hard to access because of all the reapers, but very rewarding because you could find lots of resources and pda’s detailing his final days.

What surprises me about the first base of the island its the fact that there is a cave system with the gigantic alien portal on it and the degasi crew didn't find that even living there that ammont of time. I don't know if this Is explained because "in gameplay" the island its small but in lore was bigger like the maps and cities of other games like fallout or skyrim. But for me its quite surprising that they found that alien object on the island and don't searched more both over the land and under to see those gigantic floaters.

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

I think they either didn’t find it (could have been opened up by a landslide after they left), they DID find it, but didn’t make a pda entry for it, or if they did make a pda entry, it might have been destroyed or buried when the first landslide destroyed the base

@speedude0164

7 ай бұрын

I don't remember a portal on that island. Where does it lead?

@cabz5872

6 ай бұрын

​@speedude0164 mountain island. Need to head to mountain island portal first in order to turn it on

@speedude0164

6 ай бұрын

@@cabz5872 Yeah I just saw someone else online find it. I'll go there myself when I can.

@radikaldesignz

5 ай бұрын

In my first playthrough, my first exposure to the floating island was that teleporter. Definitely one of those crowning moments of the game "wait... the other side of the aurora??" And "THERES NO BOTTOM AAAAAAAAH" Think I also had a dream where if you went near the water, a leviathan would cutscene you off the beach lol.

poor paul he got baited by a crabsquid a died it's a sad story of these three atleast we meet one

17:00 wow, i never knew margeruite is such a monster hunter. I would really love her to see toe-to-toe against an elder dragon if she can tangle with a reaper leviathan, win, and use its body for stuffs.

@HG1F2

4 ай бұрын

Lady's basically a hunter of the first fleet.

I like how you made these videos in-universe. Makes them feel like authentic documentaries.

Make a below zero one. I played the game a long time and discovered that Marguerite is alive and was actually dragged to the void and appeared to the below zero map. Maybe she was dragged to the other side of the planet which explains why so many fish are the same and some are different due to the environment.

@xcato13x

8 ай бұрын

I second this!

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

I plan to do a whole video on Marguerite at some point, I decided not to include the BZ story here because half the video would have just been about that

@jaymeegrayson4662

7 ай бұрын

She survived in a reapers corpse eating off of it till she got to the artic where there she made a base and just chilled

@Chaosworshiper

6 ай бұрын

@@jaymeegrayson4662 yeah she is such a badass

@Skeloperch

2 ай бұрын

It doesn't make sense that she survived since she had Karaa for 10 years before Riley cured it.

I had done what I thought was adequate research to write a fanfic about them but wow I was missing a lot. You did such an amazing job with this and I really enjoyed the visuals. 10/10

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it :D

@palakgupta2736

6 ай бұрын

What about your fanfic?

What I don't get is why in the world would they settle in the giant snake-infested caves and not in the safe shallows just a few hundred meters away!

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

Because then the player would find it right away! 🤣

@escaped_cephalopod

Ай бұрын

Because there were a lot of good materials

@engi_games

18 күн бұрын

Reapers probably

There is fish , then there are bigger fish , then there is the biggest fish, and there is Marguerite

@escaped_cephalopod

21 күн бұрын

She’s an honorary leviathan class lifeform

The fact that the Mongolians have strong tenure in space exploration raises lots and LOTS of questions!

@matheusexpedito4577

3 ай бұрын

Oh good lord, Spaceship archers

@ntfoperative9432

Ай бұрын

Throat singing intensifies

@chetanjaswal5593

Ай бұрын

Genghis Khan had mentioned it in a secret script that had been discovered near the end of 21st century - " I growing old. I know I won't be able to conquer the world. What I have done is still going to be one of the biggest empires in history. I have just one wish, i want the mongols to conquer the stars. " And it all began right there, Mongols knew what to do.

Marguerite is such a badass

@Breathtaker5000

6 ай бұрын

fr

I wanted to ask you how long it took to craft all those plasteel ingots but then I remembered creative exists. Anyway great video.

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Such a shame what happened to the degasi crew. I’m curious to know what would’ve happened if the other 3 members survived. Maybe more input would have led them to discovering the truth of the aliens, reinforcement platform, the sea emperor etc. And to think that Bart (and kind of margeruite) were on the right path to figuring out all the things that ryley eventually did. Also a shame that the aurora destroyed barts final base. Would’ve liked to have seen those pda’s. I wonder what I would’ve been like if the reaper never destroyed their base. What if ryley was part of the degasi crew. There’s so much potential for what if scenarios about this game. I know that Marguerite survives and is in below zero, but I haven’t played it yet, so idk if she mentions the events of the first game, or anything else she has to offer. Great video, I continue to see how amazing this game is, and its community makes it all the better 😁

I find it ironic that Margaret didnt want to stay in the "cave" and then look at where her base is in Below Zero.

I love how the team put this much effort into a side story. Such a great way to let us hear about things others did to survive and hint at some things we can make.

2 things I noticed: Paul saw a light below him so I think he found the lost river and not a squid. He might have been killed by one though. This makes more sense since it's a hint for the player to go deeper. Bart talks about visions getting worse. I don't think Kharaa causes these so it's most likely the sea emperor trying to communicate with him like she does with the player but Bart thinks it's the illness.

@escaped_cephalopod

Ай бұрын

Yea, but, why didn’t she send all of them visions when, y’know, they were all still alive and working together?

I love how do you illustrate all the story with actual gameplay clips! Keep at it, bro!

Very well edited video; the images on screen represented the audio perfectly and it must've taken a while to get the footage so I commend you for that! I would really appreciate it if you were to make a video in the same style of this one for the Mercury II since it's pretty much Below Zero's Degasi and I don't really understand its story all to well. You have a bright future in KZread and I hope you continue to put great effort into your videos, thanks!

looking at the cinematic trailer the lore of the degasi is shown pretty well, not exact but pretty well

Amazing video. Whole story, without any blank spots. This channel deserves a lot more subscribers. Keep up the good work 😊

@Breathtaker5000

6 ай бұрын

Thank you! Will do! :)

Your videos are very interesting, like I already said earlier. You deserve way more subs fr. Keep up the work!

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

Glad you like them! :)

Thanks for the content! It's so great to have all of this info in one place.

Please keep making these lore videos they are very interesting

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

Will do! ;)

Incredible effort went into this video. Well done.

Awesome video. So well made. I feel so bad for Bart. He seemed so sweet.

Great video i really enjoyed it, nice editing i would love to see a documentary on the precursor race and all their bases next!

This was really good i would never have understanded this without you, thanks

Imagine the massive amounts of research Bart Torgal must have accumulated over his time on 4546B. All that information would be vital to fully understanding the secrets of the (at the time) uncharted planet. It's a shame it was all most likely destroyed by the crashing of the Aurora, and the sequential decimation of the immediate local ecosystem/environment.

this video and your channel deserve way more attention! this is really good!

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

Glad you think so! :)

Then, Marguerit floated all the way to the other side of the planet on a dead reaper with barely any water, a seaglide, a repair tool, and leviathan fat. She then went about making a base under the lily pads, making a Greenhouse on a glacier, and eventually meeting Robin in Below Zero. Somehow taming a Snowstalker, she made a prawn suit and killed a chelicerate for its prawns. She somehow survived the Khraa for 10 years, until Ryley released Enzyme 42 into the ecosystem. But, this still had to cross the void, and the planet itself. How did she survive the Khraa? What a goat.

@Venenus_MC

28 күн бұрын

reaper's khaara immunity and some peepers with enzyme 42 were able to let her survive 10 years, or she probably found another emperor leviathan (idk if that is possible, but could be since she killed 2 reapers she probably would have fought the leviathan to show superiority and discover enzyme 42, or a sea dragon since they are genetically close to emperors and probably have same enzymes)

An amazingly put together video!

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

Thank you :)

Thanks for putting the lore info together. Listening to them in order in game is alright, but your visuals really bring out the story.

Unknown worlds entertainment needs a prequel where you play as someone from the degasi

You put a lot of work into this and it shows. Really great vid, thanks for this, you definitely earned a sub.

@Breathtaker5000

3 ай бұрын

I’m glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the support!

Love the Rimworld background music, if I heard that correctly. 👌 Thanks for putting the story together in the right order!

Nice video, you deserve way more subscribers!

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! I appreciate the compliment :)

Amazing work you really took your time and put in all the leg work 👍👍💯

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed watching it, it was a lot of fun to make :)

i sorta expI sorta expectced to have a little bit of what happened to margret, since we know she survived in below zero, and killed that reaper

@Breathtaker5000

7 ай бұрын

I’m gonna make a dedicated video on all that

Nice vid man. Seems like this game is getting alot of new players as well.

my humor is ruined, any time i see the quarantine gun i can only ever think of "Oh hey look, a Civilian airline"

This was a great video, just the outro though, from scary to normal/happy

AMAZING VIDEO! I am currently so obsessed with subnautica, i am sad that i started playing it so late and never tried it before.

@kyle--859

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, me too. About a week ago I saw it on sale for only $10 so I bought it. I have been obsessed with it for the last week

@escaped_cephalopod

Ай бұрын

@@kyle--859 same at about the same time as you

I love the part where Bart until then there is still the view

I think Bart is the true GOAT here. He didn't have a scanner and figured out that the whole world is infected. He was also able to figure out that they needed to go deeper.

great video! surprised on how little subs you have. I wish you could've included Marguerit Maida's story after the events of the first game, maybe in another video?

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

I plan to make a whole video on her. I was gonna include all of that in this one, but I feel like her BZ story is distinct enough from the DEGASI to warrant its own documentary

Amazing video! I just finished the game and I had no motivation to go through the logs again to have a better look at the whole story, so this is way better, thank you! I'm just wondering, how did you manage to have the leviathan appear in the grand reef (the 500meter deep zone)? Incredible visuals btw, great job!

@Breathtaker5000

6 ай бұрын

I just spawned it in with console commands :)

Brilliant content and very well narrated 👍🏻👍🏻

You are the guy that help's my get the stuf together!

just got into the game and just completed it without recalling finding any of this stuff i’m so obsessed with this game and its lore now thanks for making this

@Breathtaker5000

3 ай бұрын

You’re Welcome :)

Man, the voice acting is so good, I feel like it's real and I actually feel bad

It'd be coll if you could repair their bases and use them in game

This is actually amazing the base remakes the story telling is just👌

I loved you video it was in depth and very well explained. I look forward to your next video best wishes

Awesome video! ^^

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

Thank You 😊

@FreddyFazbear-mn7lj

7 ай бұрын

OH MY GID I DIDN'T ACTUALLY EXPECT U TO REPLY AAAAA THANK YOU!!❤

Une vidéo de qualité,on voit clairement que tu prends du temps et du plaisir à les faire

The biggest plothole in Subnautica is how Maida survives the disease.

@natezube8144

5 ай бұрын

She’s just built different.

@ShinePaw101

3 ай бұрын

A good theory I heard is that the reaper leviathans are immune to the disease and that by eating it she was able to stave off the bacteria long enough for the cure to go around the planet.

This is a really good video

Was the Final Base that Bart built ever in the Game? I don't Remember seeing any bases in the safe shallows Edit: It was on the Crash Zone. I'm Stoopid

@lukedovzik2269

8 ай бұрын

No that base never appears in-game

@CoolSpudMan

8 ай бұрын

​@@lukedovzik2269he means the aurora landed on it

Awesome. Love this game. I might be diving back soon.

You should do the mercury 2 next idk the story behind that

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

It’s on my list

@ManfiCat

8 ай бұрын

How about the story of Robin's sister's workmates, like Parvan and Fred?@@Breathtaker5000

Well, at least Maida survived. Wish we could’ve gotten some PDAs or something about her experiences. Bart being caught in the middle is a tough thing to see. I hope Paul was at peace with the decisions he made.

Unknown to them, Maruerit (I probably butchered her name) survived, even past the time of the Aurora crash and the time that Ryley Robinson was on the planet.

amazing video, breathtaking. One of my favorite games ever, hoping to play subnautica 2 in bout 2 years time, sad it wont be on 4546b

Marguerite is in the wrong game, she should be in Monster Hunter

Great vid!

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

Thanks :)

it's made extra unfortunate when you consider that both of them were smart and read each side of each situation if they had just stopped arguing so often they might have made it back alive

andi heve some thing to say t Breathtaker its that i love your vidios and will allwas wach you new vidios keep up the goow work pls

@Veryfriedperson7

8 ай бұрын

I’m sorry but you made me genuinely think I was stroking out for a sec

Someone skilled in uUreal Engine 5 could make this into a animated film.

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

There were parts of this I would have LOVED to animate if I knew how

@seriousnesstv7902

8 ай бұрын

@@Breathtaker5000dude I love you channel so much, I decided to get the game since it was on sale!

@moviemaker2011z

7 ай бұрын

@@Breathtaker5000 um with you on hat one. i know a small bit about how the sequencer works in unreal engine 4/5 but i have never actually made anything with it. im trying to learn blender so i can use unreal engine as the powerhouse due to offering so much gear to make things sound and look better. but work and personal life has prevented me on my practice attempts. if i ever do manage to get proficient with blender and unreal animation you better believe im coming for you.

@Biscuithands

4 ай бұрын

Ikr

I'm enjoying these lore videos of yours. I'm curious though, why do people say that Paul was killed by the Crabsquid? I know there is the trailer, but how do people know that is actually Paul? Is it just speculation again? Regardless, are you going to continue with Below Zero lore? I think a deep dive (heh) video on the infected Ice Beast would be cool.

@devoutrelic1228

8 ай бұрын

I've always assumed Paul was indirectly killed by a Warper. He descripes seeing a "blue light" below him, but when he swims closer it's gone, causing him to wonder if he'd seen anything at all. Then he simply drowns because he says he's low on oxygen.

@Thefufflylord

8 ай бұрын

@@devoutrelic1228 Never, that does make a lot of sense and then I imagine that other creatures picked up the sense of his blood.

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

I got the information about Paul’s death from the wiki and the first trailer, where it shows (presumably) Paul getting attacked by a crabsquid

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

The trailer analysis bit is somewhat of an educated guess

@devoutrelic1228

8 ай бұрын

@@Breathtaker5000 In the absence of any actual definitive answer to how he died, that interpretation is just as good as mine. Personally I like mine better simply because I like the Warpers, but yours would give the Crabsquid some love. The Warpers are already credited in killing basically half of all the survivors, so they can settle for having killed one less.

Keep Moving!

You need to continue the degasi with the survival of meda in below zero

Dope vid

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

Thanks :)

When subnatica 3 comes i have damm hope that you can tell me everything about it thanks

And this is why you never trust a Corpo.

honestly why tf didn't they build a base in the safe shallows from the start

@Breathtaker5000

6 ай бұрын

Because plot go brrrrr

@robertpresley1503

5 ай бұрын

Did they make it to the shallows?

@sillyguy_5559

4 ай бұрын

@@robertpresley1503they made it it both the jellyshroom caves and what was there before the aurora crashed (drstroying the base altogether)

I am listening this story another time and this video is done amazingly. Now if I have to be honest, Margaritue is the best and badass character in the game. Great expert on surviving and she knows what to do and how to survive. Sure, she was reckless but still, she wanted to discover the truth. Bart is also a cool character. Curious around the world and he was determined to find the cure. Too bad he didn't make it. About Paul, even though he is elder, he was arrogant and completely listens only to himself and stuborn. He was a poor and incompetent leader and he couldn't make a proper decision that would help them to survive and finding the truth. So, yeah. Very interesting story of Degasi crew.

Is the additional content cannon or original writing? Either way, it's like old-time radio. I love it. Thank you.❤

@luckygamermemberofvma7903

6 күн бұрын

It is canon

ur videos are breathtaking XD

This is so sad. Well done

this was beautiful ngl

margeruit sounds like Valkyrie from apex just a lil bit older.

You may not see this but nan I love your vids I'm a big fan i just wanna say how much I love your vids

@Breathtaker5000

8 ай бұрын

Thank you :) I’m play you enjoy them!

@alirawashdeh4111

8 ай бұрын

You replied!? Your very welcome:)

thank you so much im doing a playthrough of the game and i wanted to know some lore

Is it just me that also remakes the degasi bases in creative and sometimes bases survival bases on them too

@Breathtaker5000

7 ай бұрын

It’s a lot of fun, feels like reconstructing history :)

@escaped_cephalopod

Ай бұрын

@@Breathtaker5000 plus they’re a good layout

Good video

i think a games based around the degasi crew where you play as bart

@trevorcsizmar2222

3 ай бұрын

would be cool

Video deserves millions of likes. Fr looks like it took hours, let alone the editing. Great video man. 👍

@moviemaker2011z

7 ай бұрын

agreed, this is absolutely fantastic. great storytelling and presentation for the win here.

25:10 Was it ever confirmed that it was a crab? What if it was the emperor trying to contact them? Bart mentions the "Visions" which I believe to have been from the emperor so it could be possible that is what his father saw?