Heads up: Slightly leaning forward is totally fine just as long as you aren’t unnecessarily using momentum to swing the weight. That means a slight hip hinge during the eccentric and a small thrust during the concentric is ok as long as the weight is still under control. (FULL TUTORIAL IS ON MY CHANNEL! - Check out my '2 Minute Tutorial' playlist!)

@dwync

2 жыл бұрын

Bro. What is your weight and height?

@MrOrthodox13

2 жыл бұрын

@@dwync I was literally going to ask the same thing.

@GoldenEraZen

2 жыл бұрын

Great info on this excercise

@braydenp.4051

2 жыл бұрын

Thx man... Already corrected just about every exercise I have been doing at the gym for a year.

@michelrood2966

Жыл бұрын

Allright, quick tip, get some meat on that meazly frame by doing compund exercises for hypertrophy instead of trying to sound like you know what youre doing, noob

You don't keep your pinkies up to avoid stress on the joint. You lean a bit forward to include the rear delt in the lift.

@icantmemorize7703

2 жыл бұрын

Wait, really? See I thought you lean forward just for safety purposes. But im glad to know the rear deltoid also gets worked in this exercise!

@boleperishon5272

2 жыл бұрын

@@icantmemorize7703 Of course. That way it comes out as a sort of shoulder raise/row. The pinky raise does that, but it rotates the joint, so it ads up to the strain.

@fea8ture896

2 жыл бұрын

ye theres many way to do it but this guys act like theres only one correct variation..

@fea8ture896

2 жыл бұрын

@A A you probably did too high try it without going over your shoulder

@anggafernando2860

2 жыл бұрын

@A A You might want to check Jeff's video kzread.info/dash/bejne/o2mnsLt7YbSckbA.html

Keep your pinkies up at your own risk, as it internally rotates the shoulder and may cause shoulder impingement or worsen an existing one.

@vimal6113

2 жыл бұрын

absolutely correct..... we need to have some external rotation while doing these raise.... i agree with you

@dustencross357

2 жыл бұрын

@@vimal6113 a guy named Jeff would agree with that also! 😎

@villagevillegers8836

2 жыл бұрын

True

@pigeon-hater2267

2 жыл бұрын

I checked your name if it was jeff cavalier

@moritzhoffmeister4824

2 жыл бұрын

@@pigeon-hater2267 haha yeah jeff hates internal rotation

"Jeff Cavaliere wants to know your location."

@milan5867

Жыл бұрын

lol

@TAREEBITHETERRIBLE

Жыл бұрын

@@milan5867 lmao right mmh is this a *date*

@xxkirkhammettguitarxx6998

Жыл бұрын

Hahahaha

@Peter_van_Loon

Жыл бұрын

Im dead bruh, just watched jeffs video on this. Always thumb up, lean a bit forward for same effect and not cause injury

@brexistentialism7628

Жыл бұрын

😂😂 yep

Step 1. Stay straight, Step 2. Pinkies up, Step 3. Enjoy the shoulder impingement.

@arjunk283

Жыл бұрын

😂

@royalpanther6391

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean "pinkies"?? Do you mean the smallest finger?

@Wremir93

Жыл бұрын

@@royalpanther6391 Yes.

@sherry.blossom9866

11 ай бұрын

@@royalpanther6391no duh

@royalpanther6391

11 ай бұрын

@@sherry.blossom9866 If you just used your time and effort to actually answer my inquiry, we would've been done a long time ago so we can now both sleep at night with a peace of mind. But you chose to just say "no duhh"!?? No duhh and what!??? Spit it out!!! 🤦😪

Oh I just realised that I was a Bird. Thx

@PrettyboiYT

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao bro funny comment

@ta1708

2 жыл бұрын

@@PrettyboiYT nice sarcasm bro

@MysteryShack616

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@gideonrhodes1789

2 жыл бұрын

Go down in weight

@TartarianTopG

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

This guy shows how it's done wrong 2x times. Great work. And not his first failure

@rajarshichakraborty8862

Жыл бұрын

except he doesn't

@MioMate

Жыл бұрын

@@rajarshichakraborty8862 he does

@stevet5473

Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@shoexplay2994

Жыл бұрын

We are still waiting on your video to snow us how it’s done right, Mr. Olympia

@nescaferedmug7353

Жыл бұрын

​@@shoexplay2994 okay, and stop living in your parents house after mr Olympia shows you how to do it

I think according to Jeff Athlean-X your form in lateral raises is not the perfect

@Speax

2 жыл бұрын

It's killing your gains!

@mostafabadawy9527

2 жыл бұрын

@@Speax 😂😂😂

@Conqueefstador

2 жыл бұрын

Bro don’t listen to anything Athlean has to say 😂😂😂

@mostafabadawy9527

2 жыл бұрын

@@Conqueefstador i dunno which one is the truth but i can't deny that both Jeff and Max are of the best contents for me in the fitness industry

@AS-bu9rw

Жыл бұрын

Jeff tells you to breath out before a squat

pinkies up causes impingement, the way you were doing it the first time without the sway is actually correct, and safe.

@BloodCatters

2 жыл бұрын

yeah that is also what I have seen in some research

@theguy3414

2 жыл бұрын

@@BloodCatters Yeah its simple kinesiology, under those three heads is a whole different world of muscles, tendons, ligaments, nerves, ect..

@aasir_ali

2 жыл бұрын

Athlean x? 😂

@marcusbullock630

2 жыл бұрын

@@aasir_ali my thoughts exactly. guys like athlean actually want to weaken you, they're only helping rich people and want you to be weaker

@Ethan_Miller52

2 жыл бұрын

I saw these comments and already felt that shit trying it without any weight

I like keeping my thumbs up to reduce friction in the rotator cuff.

@vimal6113

2 жыл бұрын

exactly.... it incorporate external rotation of the arm....

@iamamogus7702

2 жыл бұрын

If you do, lean forward just a little, because your front delt will get more of the work as it will be fighting against the gravity directly with that hand position.

@rajarshichakraborty8862

Жыл бұрын

@@vimal6113 Thus primarily working the front delt as opposed to the lateral. Externally rotating on a lateral raise makes it more of a shoulder flexion movement as opposed to a shoulder abduction one

@nathanblades3395

Жыл бұрын

Yep

@jdl8150

Жыл бұрын

I feel like it'll be hard to hold the weight with your thumbs up but I understand why you'll do it just so you let yourself know you're doing good. I keep my pinkies up to be fancy

Honestly I'm just gonna do it however I want to do it, seen 3 different videos showing 3 different ways now I can't be bothered

@liby254

Жыл бұрын

loool, I know what you mean

@Jackboiiii

Жыл бұрын

Sameeeee 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@tomato8651

3 ай бұрын

Ur telling me 😮‍💨

Leaning forward allows for gravity to make it harder on your shoulders and angling your thumbs up slightly activates the front of your shoulder and prevents wear on your shoulder joints over time

see the first one is actually correct.... as i have seen that in athlean x.... you lean a little forward and keep thumbs a little up and pinkies a little down to incorporate external rotation..... educate yourself and then open a youtube channel/.... and to all the people watching this, please dont fall for any one with a good body... longevity and healthy joints are just as important....

@Tony_Clavel

Жыл бұрын

This man used athleanx as a reference and talked about “educate yourself” 💀💀💀💀

@rajarshichakraborty8862

Жыл бұрын

@@Tony_Clavel lmao, was just about to say that. It's 2022 and yet people still think athlean x is legit

@heavymetal1ization

Жыл бұрын

​@@rajarshichakraborty8862 I swear people only dislike athleanx because of his clickbait and beat around the bush explanations? Pretty sure he's actually a trained physician with real qualifications, is that bs?

@addyyy01

Жыл бұрын

same athlean x that used fake weights? nah he lost his credibility after that.

@irregulargamer1352

7 ай бұрын

​@@addyyy01many do not hang on his every word. I like the work out suggestions and actually check his info. Do I agree with everything he suggests? No. But his shoulder recommendation is correct. Do you not try out the form without weights? Have you not looked at the model of the human shoulder to see where this advice comes from? Athleanx faking his preformance doesn't deligitimise the basic info hes put out. What would you do if this guy was faking? Learn to think for yourself

Do we inject the tren before or after squeezing the glutes?

@2GiovanniBeats

2 жыл бұрын

after

@KaranSachdeva.

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@MatrixEvolution17

2 жыл бұрын

during

@davidhero1000

2 жыл бұрын

He almost looks natural but i guess hes on juice

@Dr.WhetFarts

2 жыл бұрын

if he's on juice it's fake

Here's a tip. Go for light weights while doing LR with straight arms. Will help you more

@builtdifferent1546

2 жыл бұрын

Cant straight arms can mess with ur elbows tho I hear from John Meadows it can Maybe unless you go light weight like you said, but even then I'm pretty sure he said it's bad

@shiv.ansh03

2 жыл бұрын

@@builtdifferent1546 no it won't

@Naxtee

2 жыл бұрын

Ye for Ronnie Coleman everything is light weight even 1 rep max!

@tombullish3198

2 жыл бұрын

It's a awesome variation. For some people it might cause a problem depending on how their shoulder girdle is build but for most people it's perfectly fine.

@PaulieWalnuts1776

2 жыл бұрын

Straight arms using dumbbells is stupid because it’s overloading your joints in an unnatural position. You don’t even keep your arms straight for a lateral raise on a machine so why do it with dumbbells?!?!

Someone with past rotator cuff injury here. Pinkies upward (internally rotating ) is not ideal for shoulder lateral raises. Just do normal raises . You won’t realise the mistake until you accidentally injured yourself. So, there is an old saying “ Prevention is better than cure”

Grab the 60s and do 2 reps while swinging furiously

Guys if you don't want shoulder injury don't listen to this guy. What are you doing man... If you don't know anything about this stuff don't make videos, you are just going to get a lot of people injured... For guys that want to know how to do it without getting injured: Always lean a little forward so your lateral delt is parallel to the floor (That way lateral head is going to be more activated instead of frontal delt), always make sure that your thumb is above your pink (externally rotate your shoulder, never internally) 125k subs and does these videos, that's not okay man.

@swolekage3803

2 жыл бұрын

well said brother

@l3rady073

2 жыл бұрын

I have a rotator cuff issue, I always avoid these types of workouts never know if I'm doing them right and there's safer options that I learned through PT.

@LSofJC

2 жыл бұрын

l3rady 0 what are the safer options, and how do you know if you have a rotator cuff issue?

@EA-ps4wc

2 жыл бұрын

In his defense, that's the way lateral raises were taught until a few years ago. it's only recently that people have paid attention to exercises like this and the upright row and the shoulder impingement risks. Nobody knows everything, and I've definitely gotten some good form cues/tips from this channel, so I think saying he shouldn't make videos is a bit much.

@l3rady073

2 жыл бұрын

@@LSofJC I went to the doctor and they told me. There’s workouts that involve lower weights but focus entirely on your shoulder/back muscles. It’s less intense on the arms and rotator cuff, i was able to push 33% harder in different motions after 2 months.

Thumbs point up, not your pinkies. I I don't know about Max here, but I'd like to keep my joints when I become old.

@Haxcks114

6 ай бұрын

What does pinkies and thumb raised even mean?

Ey yo, don’t keep your pinkies up. Or else Jeff from athlean x will internally rotate your shoulders.

@mostafabadawy9527

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

Reminder: DONT KEEP YOUR PINKIES UP IT WILL PUT A LOT OF UNNECESSARY STRESS ON YOUR SHOULDER JOINT!! another tip: swinging heavy side laterals with a little momentum is ok to produce more progressive overload. Just make sure to control the negative, dont lead with your pinkies and elbows up, and dont overbend your lower back.

i love how his facial expression goes from “this is so hard” to “🗿”

@childobliterator8133

Жыл бұрын

😂

Jeff Caviliere will be in the comment section any time now.

Instead of my pinky up, I don't use my thumb when gripping. Actually helps me with more than just this exercise when trying to feel muscle

@monakloudy3616

2 жыл бұрын

Same thing here. It worked the best for me.

@SS-ct5jy

2 жыл бұрын

I hate gripping with my thumb even on bench press 😂

@tonynorris1506

Жыл бұрын

Yep, helps you focus on pulling with your shoulders or elbows WORST case. Also, I've noticed having your wrists bent downward helps also! (Similar to bending the back at the top of bicep curls) When tricep stuff, I always angle the pinky side of my hand toward my forearms, that seems to get a better tricep contraction.

I thought that pinkies up thumbs down hold was debunked years ago as it contributes to shoulder injuries like how upright rows leads to shoulder impingement? Anyway yes I do the cues but I allow myself to lean forward on the last few reps to push past failure but not the pinkies up thing. I'm scared of dislocating my shoulders ever since I saw my younger brother pop his in a basketball game

@richardnguyen9413

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah dont do pinkies up, it’s a rotator cuff killer

@tombullish3198

2 жыл бұрын

Upright rows do not lead to shoulder impingement, your bench press does. Ask any weightlifter they do fuckin High Pulls with 200kg+ sometimes and have very healthy shoulders.

@jeremymay7171

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombullish3198 well then I'm good I only train bodyweight and dumbbells at the moment without any gyms open here where I live. Although I'm curious, what about the bench press leads to shoulder impingement? Is it people bouncing the bar and calling the reps "touch and go" or the copying form of powerlifters: arching the back even though the training is for hypertrophy and not to set a one rep max?

@tombullish3198

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeremymay7171 Oof that's rough, respect for continuing on at home! That's a good question and the answer is as usual not black and white.. It's mainly because the position you're in (indeed considering someone does a powerlifting setup) compromises the shoulders. When someone goes wide grip it also puts their shoulders in a more exposed and therefor/weaker position. Bench Press can have it's place, for sure and it is 1 of the best upper body builders, but for someone like me who loves the Olympic Lifts, external rotation of the shoulders is very important and in a bench press your shoulders tend to rotate inwards as you press. (which can lead to shoulder impingement long term), So for me it will work against me in doing Snatches and C&Js. This does NOT mean Benching will always lead to problems, but it is a exercise made up by humans meaning; it's not a natural movement for our bodies and I have seen/heard so many people hurt their shoulders on Bench and/or tear a pec when going extremely heavy. I do actually like to do close grip sometimes to overload the triceps. So basicly it all depends on your goals whether you want to do Bench Press or not (in my opinion.) If you just use it for Hypertrophy that will reduce the risk of injuries a lot since you're not working with high intensity. Still Bench Press is considered by many to be the number 1 shoulder/pec destroyer. (considering they like to go 90% of their 1RM or above.) It has pros and cons but for me personally the cons weigh out the pros. Still I do program it in for people. Mainly because it's a lot people's favorite exercise or if someone wants to Powerlift then you'll have to of course. I hope this helps. =)

@tombullish3198

2 жыл бұрын

PS. I also like to do Lateral Raises slightly bend over to push past failure, it's not a issue as long as you don't feel any pains etc. Everybody's shoulder girdle looks a bit different so some people will have no issue with pinkies up some will. IF you would like to try pinkies up just start light and see how it feels. Does it not feel right, then don't do it. Otherwise it shouldn't be a problem IMO.

flap like a bird!! 🤣

actually leaning forward is better and whether you do it with momentum or not does not matter as long as you have the muscle under tension for as long as possible. in fact, momentum may help working bigger loads.

Be aware of lifting your pinkies up to much, as it creates stress on the rotator cuffs

400k views I really hope none of y’all are following this jabrones advice, all wrong, he’s going to cause people to have issues.

@irregulargamer1352

7 ай бұрын

Less competition

1st one correct without swinging. Thumbs up instead of pinkies up to avoid internal rotation of shoulder

@bartrobinson2103

Жыл бұрын

Yes sir exactly

You know shit is real when you got a gym in your living room

He's telling us to do the opposite of what athleanx said. Who's right?

@kilianboehr1851

2 жыл бұрын

What do you mean bro

@foscorsohil8940

2 жыл бұрын

@@kilianboehr1851 athleanx says to lean forward and keep thumbs up, not the pinky.

@kilianboehr1851

2 жыл бұрын

@@foscorsohil8940 yes athlean x ist right, when you keep your pinky up it internally rotates your shoulder which is really bad for your rotator cuffs and shoulder, I just bend over a little bit but you have to keep a straight back and rotate your hands out so that the thumb is over the pinky -> externally rotated, good for your shoulder. I would always trust Athlean x more then some Instagram „fitness experts“

@kilianboehr1851

2 жыл бұрын

@@foscorsohil8940 and keep the arm externally rotated the whole time, don’t rotate your arms during the exercise and try to push with your elbow and not your hands and bend the arm so that the hand is below the elbow and stop the movement below 90 degrees (upper arm to body )so you don’t kill your shoulders

@foscorsohil8940

2 жыл бұрын

@@kilianboehr1851 Thanks for clarification. I do this exercise just like that. It also feels more natural like.

new to your channel here and luving the contents. Could/Can you do a full workout schedule + full whole day meal and snack too? I saw you made a "whole day eating" video before, but I really wanna know the whole routine. Like from start to stop and including cardio too. I want to know how you get so lean like you are now. Look Amazing brah! Keep it up and thx for the tips.

@mcga10

2 жыл бұрын

Don't listen to him. His form suck. Watch other KZread videos

@user-zc8sq3wr9f

Жыл бұрын

@@mcga10let’s see your physique son

a slight hip hinge to the lateral raise will help better target the back portion of the medial deltoid, just dont swing

Bro realised he not a birb anymore 😢

Never point the pinky up, sets you up for shoulder injuries

If this bothers your shoulders, something I learnt from John Meadows is bent over seated lateral raises Another good one I learnt from Dr. Mike Israetel is lighter weight super ROM laterals with iso-hold at top & slow eccentric, which is actually really beneficial to shoulder health/mobility compared to traditional laterals

@tombullish3198

2 жыл бұрын

In other words don't listen to this guy, listen to actually educated professionals... Yeah... Agreed.

@SmalHand

2 жыл бұрын

RIP John Meadows

@tombullish3198

2 жыл бұрын

@@SmalHand Holy Shit you're right.... Fuck man..... RIP The Legend. Unbelievable to think I had mail contact with him a few weeks ago...

@builtdifferent1546

2 жыл бұрын

oh no... rest in peace... we will pass it on

Don't Keep your pinkies up, over time it will cause internal shoulder impingement keep your thumbs up lean slightly forward and externally rotate shoulders. You were doing it right the first time.

You can swing a little bit especially at the end of your set just to go beyond failure

I seen bodybuilders who to do it like you were doing it in the first example . As long as you don't swing your back as your going up your good

@dustencross357

2 жыл бұрын

When you are on PEDs all you need to do is get the blood into the muscle. The blood carries the drugs into the site and causes growth. Its not the tonnage that promotes hypertrophy its the drugs. This is why an enhanced lifter don't have to worry about programming

why so cute?

Currently I'm raising 50lb, I hope to get to 70 by August.

Yo I love how he said the bird in this vid it’s hilarious

Again dude this is wrong. Leaning forward activates the rear side of the shoulder / rear delt. Both postures are fine as they put for activation on different parts of the shoulder.

No. Don't keep your pinkies up. Your thumbs should be higher and doing otherwise puts your shoulders into an internal rotated position that can cause irritation and injury in the long run

This is wrong, the whole point of the foward lean is to place the medial deltoid directly intersecting the line of force. The Med head is not exactly on the side of the shoulder, it sits more posterior. You can do the same thing standing standing by internally rotating the shoulder joint hence "Pinky Up" , but you decrease the subacroimial space, causing iritation of the supraspinatus and bursa.

Literally video before was telling me to lean forward 😂

First variation actually may be better

First one is actually better for your shoulders than the second one. Pinkies need to angle down to protect the rotator cuff.

"PINKY! PINKY!" -Patrick Star

Quick tip, pinkies should be down.

Lean forward but agreed on the bird flapping😭

Me : Doing lateral raises Entire Bird Community : Laughs

Following ur instructions I no longer fly through the roof when doing this exercise.

Slight lean forward is advisable for a plethora of reasons

The first way was actually the right way lol

Which brand of dip bars are those? Thank you.

I flap WHEN I want and HOW I want!

Hey max . Can you make an entire series of hitting all parts of chest,triceps,shoulders,back,biceps,legs&abs.

“Quick tip, if you want to never gain size and hurt your shoulder joints, then use this form that makes you use half the weight your capable of and internally rotate your shoulder for minimal gains!”.

well thats one way to destroy your rotator cuffs

Thanks for all these badass tips

never listen to internet to tell you how to injure yourself. loll

as someone thats just getting into the gym , the tips help out a lot... thankyou!

This is one of the very few no bs tiktok channels Proud of you my man ✨

"jeff cavaliere would like to meet with you"

Thx for the advice man

dude ive been flapping like a bird for so long lmao

Pinkies up is a great way to grind your rotator cuff into oblivion

that’s why I do seated lateral raises

bro what's your height ????

First time I’ve seen him be noticeably wrong in a post.

Sorry, you're wrong. Your bird impression is actually keeping your shoulder in a healthier position and you're getting the same delt activation.

I knew I was doing them wrong Thank you for your help in correcting me from causing an injury

Thank you so much for your help, I've been trying to do lateral raises properly for a while and it always ends up hurting my shoulders and not feeling like I've hit the middle delt, I watched your video and suddenly saw what I was doing wrong, I don't know maybe it was just the angle you got the camera made me finally see how to do it properly, but suddenly I was able to do it and I could really feel it burning on the delts instead of just messing up my shoulder joint. Thank you very much brother Lots of love from London 👍

Nah idc, Lateral Raises will always be the final boss in my perspective

It helps to put the head against a wall to avoid swinging

The harder the excercise the better you feel , I just got into laterals Dec 2023 after 20 years of lifting on and off

Thanks for obliterating my rotator

You helped me a lot. Thank you brother!

Actually....The first position targets the back of the delts and the traps a bit as well. So if it is your goal (on purpose) to do so, it's an absolute functional exercise.

Both are correct as long as it hit ur shoulder till failure

No, wrong. You don't want to keep your pinkies up. That messes up your shoulder. Watch Athlean-X on lateral raises.

Saw a dude flap his arms like a bird and it was the most hillarious thing 😄

Slight lean forward is actually more effective than standing straight Use lighter weights and controlled movements for maximum growth

Quick tip... stop taking advice from random dudes making 10 second videos

YOU STOP DOING LATERAL RAISES LIKE THIS. YOU START DOING AS A BIRD.

Whats the name’s brand of his shorts? Thanks

for lateral raise the torse should be slightly leaned forward ... that's the right posture. One should not be standing straight like a tower

Thanks.. That's very helpful!

Pinkies up is literally the opposite of what I've seen plenty of other people say. You don't internal rotation of the shoulder

Quick tip don’t listen to an 18 year old kid about workout tips. He’s wrong about the pinkies and you should be leaning a bit forward so you put more stress on the medial head of your shoulder if you stand straight up you put more stress on the anterior head. this is a workout to cap your delts off. And it’s bad for your wrists and shoulder joints to keep your pinkies up higher. Again don’t listen to a kid looking for views about workout tips.

@bartrobinson2103

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly he's terrible

Staying perfectly straight up pinkies up and no swinging gave me 2 shoulder impingement issues within my first few months of training... i tried the thumbs up, leaned forward with bent arms and did slight swing. Much more comfortable to do, and can push harder. Just a gym newbie, this is whats comfortable for me.

@qMagni

Жыл бұрын

Im 100% sure this was not the cause of your shoulder problem 😅 Try focusing on your technique when doing pressing movements and strengthen your scapular muscles.

No, the "correct" form you say, gives me shoulder pain :)

Thank you bro!

Really love your posture bro... Looks very clean

I go lightweights and high reps with this one on dumbbells. I've come to mostly do this with machines - lighter and slower.....really engages the lat delts when you do it smooth and slow.

I love how everyone is disagreeing with this dude's technique on this one lol

Lead with the thumbs, NEVER the pinkies!

Keeping your pinkeys above thumbs will cause internal rotation and eventually lead to nerve impinchment