I've just watched Doug Polk torching commenters who were arguing that correct poker principles somehow don't apply to low stakes cash games because the opponents are unskilled. He pointed to a challenge where he grew a tiny stack exponentially using game theory principles with exploitative adjustments. Jonathan's analysis of this egregious leak seems like the perfect example of Doug's philosophy in practice. If you don't understand the optimum plays in this scenario and rely on gut feel, you are simply going to haemorrhage your cash away...

@HighTide_808

9 ай бұрын

It really comes down to rake though. You’re paying exorbitant amounts of rake per hand to play out of position on every street.

@tullochgorum6323

9 ай бұрын

@@HighTide_808 Fair enough, but that's exactly the kind of variable you factor in when analysing correct play. I suspect that only a small minority of low stakes players take proper account of the impact of rake on their optimal range.

@cliffordsymons9521

9 ай бұрын

Whatever buddy. Name the time and place and I'll take your money by beating you in cards.

@tullochgorum6323

9 ай бұрын

@@cliffordsymons9521 I have no idea what you think you're arguing for. You really think that Doug Polk is wrong, and incorrect poker is more profitable?

@cliffordsymons9521

9 ай бұрын

@@tullochgorum6323 Where did I say that? I said I'm better than you.

I was just talking with another YT poker creator about this exact situation. 87s in the SB vs UTG first in. Nice to see the charts on it.

@ThePokerShark

9 ай бұрын

What is the significance of 87s in the SB?

@jppagetoo

9 ай бұрын

@@ThePokerSharkIt was the hand a YTer had under discussion with me. I told him it was a flat out fold vs UTG. Also, it was likely a small amount of 3-bet against later postions. He played it as a call and lost. I didn't have charts to go on. Jons video showed charts for SB vs UTG raise first in with 87s being a fold. I just commented that this very configuation he was talking about was something I had come across before.

@royalflush8173

9 ай бұрын

​@@jppagetoopm , wazoo

People who play this game to make money all agree, Jonathan Little sets the standard for maximizing profits by optimizing tried, tested, and true table tacticts. When I gotta go and im leaving the pad I dont say Im going to play poker. I say Im going to work, and I approach it as such. Thats what I love about poker, they are always hiring.

Thank you for the videos. How would I get a list of poker sites that good to play on?

I have been thinking I play Way to tight from the Small Blind but as I see here today I actually was playing to loose.

I noticed a huge spike in my bb/100 when i belated startinh 3 betting or folding only fron the sb. 😂 shame it took me years to realise 😮😢

I did not ever feel like the small blind was that tight even against a button range in the small blind that’s insane because I’m insanely aggressive in the SB and it usually works out for me pretty well once I get a good gauge on the table

This video alone will result in me playing so much less hands preflop from the Small Blind 😅😄 Heads-up I do already follow your approach. But in Multi-way pods I tend to call close to 100% of the time when I have 2-4 callers in front of me. To be fair, these are often quite soft rounds with almost no three betting from any position, but anyway. Thanks for this again great Video 😊

@PokerCoaching

8 ай бұрын

You're welcome!

Just saw a Brad Owen vlog where he called a preflop raise in the small blind with pocket 3s and lost a HUGE pot with set over set against the preflop aggressor! 😂😂😂

Will there be a lesson on OOP postflop play in this spot. I've tried the 3bet fold from SB and I just seem to be lost and make more mistakes which since it is a 3bet pot, means the mistakes are bigger....

I can’t argue with the pro Johnathon…

I’m assuming things change if utg goes 15 and then like 3 calls in the field. Obviously the premiums are gonna bump it, but bumping it with 10-10 etc would be lighting money on fire, correct?

I'm going to challenge something Jonathan says here, which is a pretty dangerous thing to do 😆, but I think I can persuade him. At 6:26, he says, speaking of opponents with a very tight UTG opening range in raked games: "If their range is literally AA, KK, QQ, JJ and AK, you just don't want to get involved! Their range is too good. And when you lack position and the rake is big, that's a bad spot." To the contrary, I'd argue this is the IDEAL spot to flat call *all* small pocket pairs, facing a 3x raise 200BB deep at 2/5. The reason? In that 1 in 8 times you flop a set, you're going to get paid huge. In my experience, players who are super-tight and spend all day waiting for their big pairs don't let 'em go easily. It's a classic risk-reward/implied odds scenario: 7 out of 8 times, you're just torching $13 (or $10 in 5/5). But that 1 time in 8, when you flop a set vs. overpair or TP/TK, you're going to print money. Obvs, 3-betting small pairs vs. this ultra-tight range is a terrible alternative because you're going to get 4-bet often. Also, flatting carries risk of letting the BB in cheap, but that's a risk worth taking because when your set comes in, it will be good the vast majority of the time. And finally, when your strategy is "flop a set or fold," positional disadvantage is mitigated. You'll throw away the best hand vs. an AK continuation bet sometimes, but c'est la vie.

@markr8250

9 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more. Finding these players huge mistakes in deep stack is by far what makes me the most... whether I'm getting value or bluffing big. The other huge variable is who's sitting in the BB (and the straddle in my game). If they'll pounce on any limp then calling from SB becomes a giant rake.

@jrubbmusic

9 ай бұрын

I was coming here to basically say this exact thing. I'm surprised small pairs are not calls just to set mine and get paid big when you hit.

@matthewkagan1346

9 ай бұрын

@@jrubbmusic To be clear, I only favor calling in the SB when facing a narrow, premium-rich range from an EP raiser. The reason is that few flops are terrible for that EP raiser, so they're likely to pay when you hit. A button raiser, whose range is much wider, will whiff many flops, so you won't get paid big when you flop your set. Vs. a wider range, it's raise or fold PF.

@jrubbmusic

9 ай бұрын

@@matthewkagan1346 this makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clarifying

@marksimpson2321

5 ай бұрын

If you follow your advice in some online games, youll get murdered because youll get 3bet a lot by the bb and youll be oop the whole hand v everyone and you will not get paid off 100bb + enough to compensate for the 7 / 8 times you miss and you lose 100bb set v set v players playing AA - 88 ish with your 77 - 22.

With a gigantic rake, if you have any alternative, don't _play_ there

What about SitNgos and tournaments?

Coach, which games have an ante and no rake? I'm not aware of any. Maybe since so few, don't use it as one of your examples and instead use the usual for timed rake - No Ante, No pot rake.

@marksimpson2321

5 ай бұрын

Tournaments in that the rake isn't coming out of the pot but the entry fee

would this advice work in tournaments also

@marksimpson2321

5 ай бұрын

It's VERY important to understand the structure. A lot of tournaments now use an ante structure and the rake is deducted as part of the tourney fee. This means you can play much looser in most or all positions. Calling from sb with almost everything then folding calling reraiseing a two bet depending on bb range / raise size is ok in tourneys.

so the first fragment of the video about not calling from the small blind doesnt apply when you play tournaments?

@PokerCoaching

8 ай бұрын

If there is an ante in play and no rake taken from each pot, you should definitely develop a calling range from the SB when you are folded to.

@valentinbonchev7485

8 ай бұрын

@@PokerCoaching is there a way i can see all the ranges for 9-handed tournament from every position? I was searching but i found nothing, just basic chart, but im looking also for defenses, 3bets, etc. Thanks for responding me

Had a wild hand last weekend, standard raise, 3-bet, call, I played Ac8c as it was a three handed game, obviously wouldn’t call 3-bet with more opponents. Also note I was in position. Flop comes 10d 7c 3c. I check, opponent raises, I call. Pot is like $500 at this point. Turn is the Jack of clubs. I check it as I want opponent to bet put money in and and I’m hoping he has trips. He checks. River is 10h. So run out 10d 7c 3c Jc 10h. I’ve got nut flush but I already put opponent on at least two pair. He makes a pot size bet. I painfully fold, after he says he just had trips, very plausible. A10 was a very likely hand but given how he played it so was J10s. My question: is it always a call with the nut flush in this position and if you lose oh well? Or is there any point in which a fold can be justified? I played it horribly, especially not betting the turn, but I just wanted to know if there is ever a scenario in which you can justifiably fold that nut flush on the river?

@PokerCoaching

8 ай бұрын

Yes.

Mastering Small Stakes does not make this point clear imo. I am aware of it because of your videos .which charts in MSSHE would be closet to thid very important cash game with rake scenario?

What about the people who have no pants on and walked to the casino?

I only call A/K suited or non, or pocket 9's and higher from the SB...everything else, even suited connectors are folded and as he said, if I raise or reraise with this I go a bit larger. You are betting to get them to fold or induce an all in against worse hands, other than that its fold away.

Wow my SB 3-bet range is even more tight than this one. I hate playing from the SB even AQs. If I have a monster like AA or KK I just shove and close my eyes and pray. 😜

55. I literally guessed he had 77 close😅 but we must only assume their range according my teacher JL 😆

Average player is not getting 25 bb per hour. I am a relatively competent player and average about 9 to 15 bb per hour. A good day I can net a lot more.

@marksimpson2321

5 ай бұрын

JL isnt average. He's a crusher.

If you have to tell them what a 3-bet is i dont think they should be watching your videos lol 😅

@PokerCoaching

9 ай бұрын

Everyone has to start somewhere! 😀

@coreyjones7249

9 ай бұрын

@@PokerCoaching I'm a part time poker player who makes money. I know many players better than me who don't play. They teach me bits and pieces, your videos are fucking good. I normally understand all your concepts and sometimes disagree. My mate said you have no idea LoL you won 7.5 million and he won $15000 lol

@coreyjones7249

9 ай бұрын

I had a ok roi on paokerstars a really good one on 888 but they been blocked in Australia. The rake on our cash tables is 10 percent capped at $17 on a 2/two table fucking insane

@marksimpson2321

5 ай бұрын

​@@coreyjones7249well said sir. Who'd you trust for poker advice? As ed miller says 'dont listen to most people uou play poker with cos they're rubbish'. He's right

You can avoid many of the common errors poker players make in small to medium stakes cash games by simply not playing poker

@PokerCoaching

9 ай бұрын

🤔

Thanks for the informative video; I agree we should minimize calling from the SB in cash games. The charts you showed are quite a bit different from the implementable charts at pokercoaching, Are both preflop strategies feasible, and would you then adjust postflop, or is it better to follow these gto-strategy shown in the video?

The blinds for me are either nuts or fold, playing along with the table will get you stuck the majority of the time.