Do you make this flop betting mistake? Also, check out my other new video if you can't win at poker yet: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qXphw7CRiLy3hMo.html

People always talk about you have to be "aggressive" in poker. This is true, but you have to be smart and incorporating "deception value" into your game allows you to make great plays. Great video.

@ChrisM-wv4gs

2 жыл бұрын

sure but some think that means doing stupid shit like limp calling aces or even worse AK

@boazbell38

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisM-wv4gs nothing great about this video- this is a losing play over time

@theejayzeeable

2 жыл бұрын

@@boazbell38 Why is this video a losing play over time?

@socraticmathtutor1869

2 жыл бұрын

@@boazbell38 How would you play it? Also I echo Jay Zee's question.

@Vote_By_Mail

Жыл бұрын

​@@socraticmathtutor1869 1- No fold equity. 2- No knowledge of opponents' standing. 3- Giving away free cards. Last thing you wanna to do is "hide strength" of top pair. It could work; you'll know once 'til it's too late lmao. Induce bluffs..?? How you gonna know if he's bluffing? Even on the driest boards someone could have 2-pair or a set by the river. The weak kicker thing is prob the WORST of all. If you wanna have no freakin' idea whether your kicker's any good by the river... def play safe/passively early on lol. Go on, "induce a bluff" with your A2os, let me know how that works out for ya... 😂

Ty for posting ! You have A LOT of experience at microstakes and it's good to hear your advice !

Good, well grounded common sense. My compliments. Thank you for your work from Michigan USA!

Love your VLOGS Nathan. I learned a lot from you. Thanks

This was a really great advanced video. Been watching a lot of your videos and considering enrolling in your classes more and more each day.

@BlackRain79Poker

7 ай бұрын

Glad my poker videos are helping you, thanks for watching!

Thanks! This was a very well stated argument and you've put another weapon in my arsenal. When I saw your first example, my immediate thought was just a range-based c-bet 100% of the time, given that I was the preflop aggressor and that flop hit my range hard. But I see your point and I will be considering it in the future. What do think about a middling pocket pair, which I also would have raised on the button? e.g. 88 and a flop of K72? I think your logic doesn't apply here, because the 88 is so vulnerable to BB's calling range. I'm going to be unhappy when a 9 through Q comes on the turn and he bets. Am I looking at this right right way? Also, if I'm introducing a check-behind range on a flop like this, don't I need to balance it? I suppose if I add AA and KK, plus a few complete misses, such as middle suited connectors with which I raised preflop to give deck coverage to my PFR range, that will fully balance this check-behind range. I kind of hate to give up my only chance to win the pot with those hands where their only equity is fold equity, but maybe some with enough back door outs would be ok to check here. They might pick up enough on the turn to really justify the delayed c-bet, and an aware opponent now won't just assume all checks behind were AA. Anyway, just on the strength of this one video, I'm subscribing. I'm looking forward to more such interesting ideas.

Thank you so much for the insight

Excellent vid Nathan, my biggest leak at the moment is not being selective enough when considering cbets, I often find myself making dumb cbets with middling hands and/or wrong opponents as I get deeper into sessions because I get into this mode of thinking cbetting is just what you're "supposed to do" in this game. Appreciate u showing us how to pick our spots better when making the cbet as opposed to picking a "check back and call/delayed-cbet" line. If u can, make a video on approaching cbetting OOP in potentially 3bet pots, that's another area I struggle with when the flop bricks out on ya. Appreciate the intermediate level content like this, keep em coming. You've helped me immensely as a novice over the years with this channel and "Crushing the Microstakes". u da man!

@petrosfalieris786

2 жыл бұрын

stop autopiloting :D nothing standard at poker

@boazbell38

2 жыл бұрын

@@petrosfalieris786 exactly what I was thinking- you're making bets and checks to get information from players every action you make or don't make should be for a reason depending on the situation and the player... if you're not playing poker this way- you will be a losing player over time and should not play this game

Spot on advice thank you

Great info!

I used to play live 6 nights a week until 2012 when I took a break from the game for personal reasons (no I didn't go bust lol)! I have returned recently playing online because I am now housebound disabled and have noticed the blind adherence to C bets! It's like everyone does it all of the time. I also watch a lot of high buy in live stream tournament play of the UK's top poker tour where they employ a summarizer as well as a commentator and he passed an interesting off the cuff comment. He said "The C bet is so 2014 these days" He didn't mean we shouldn't do it what he did mean was we should be selective in how and when we do it. This is a common mistake I see a great deal online in tournament play where the cards go down to showdown and one of the players really should not have even be in the pot after the flop. Why are they? They have invested more chips on a C bet then chased the pot through the streets!

Thanks, this makes sense!

Nathan. Been watching your vids the last couple weeks. I play at a local bar that does tournament style 6 days a week, usually 1 to 3 tables depending on the day. Hadn't played much this Fall since I bowl and have kids and such. But I'd been checking out a couple poker tutor YT channels. I think yours is best I've seen thus far. I realized these players where I play love to limp and love to chase. The tour hosted a couple tournaments recently. Black Friday tourney I chopped the pot three ways out of about 45 players. Today I finished 7th out of almost 80. I think these are excellent immediate results. I credit you, for sure. Thanks.

@BlackRain79Poker

Жыл бұрын

Nice job Stephen glad my videos are helping you!

You give great advice, it's like you are playing in the games I play. Thank you.

@BlackRain79Poker

Жыл бұрын

Glad my vids help you Robert!

Thanks for your advice

On the second example with TP no kick, I’ve found myself many times delaying the cbet and finding ppl catching 2 pairs on the Turn, then getting mad at myself for not cbetting on the Flop, how should I approach?

I know this wasn't the focus of the video, but it would be useful to know if this strategy should only be used after isolating a player. How does it fare in multi-way pots (e.g. lets say 3-4 players including yourself). If all players check to you, should a flop C-bet be the standard play in this scenario so that you can deny some equity on future streets?

I play lots of delayed C-bets. I agree with you that good players know how to check back a wide range of hands. After the check back, good players still could have the nuts or nothing or anything in between.

@marksimpson2321

2 жыл бұрын

If they are out of position, strong players could have strong hands, the nuts, strong draws , junky non showdown draws and some hands that can try and see a cheap showdown eg tp crap kicker. Middle pair.

Good vid, thanks

Great channel! Too many of the poker vlogs are just trying to get more subscribers and content for the channel so the play isn’t exactly the best. This channel gives actual winning strategy. Keep ‘em coming please!

@BlackRain79Poker

7 ай бұрын

Glad my poker videos are helping you, thanks for watching!

Thanks for the advice, after I watch your vlogs it makes me more confident when I sit down at a casino, keep up the good work, cheers bro.

@BlackRain79Poker

Жыл бұрын

Glad my vids help Daniel, thanks for watching!

Excellent 👌

Interesting strategy. Will try to incorporate this into my game.

@DominationRotation

2 жыл бұрын

This is 101 poker.

@thetruthhurts9112

2 жыл бұрын

If you just learned this you arent ready to play for money

Awesome strategy!

Excellent rationale 👍

Great video. Glad I found your channel.

@BlackRain79Poker

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching my poker videos, glad they help!

Great tips!!! You've helped me on what card's to play!.. how to bet!.. fold re raises n what not so I'm playing the best I ever have!!!.. 3 on 3 sit n go on Zynga, well I'm currently 12 wins out of 14!!!...I went WWWWWWWWWLWLWW.....best victory was being down to 200k early (begin with 2mill) and coming back for the W

@martinworld7214

2 жыл бұрын

Lol Zynga , all the true poker players can be found there ………not

@adammaxwell5250

2 жыл бұрын

@@martinworld7214 yeah well U try winning there like me against people going all in with anything n their Strange play's! 42% win percentage in 3 player sit n go. after about 4,500 hands 130 tournament wins. Above average! It could be worse so I'm Happy with myself anyway so that's all that matters! Lol

I always like the video before watching it

Nice trick 👍👍

I don't believe betting the flop in the first example is a mistake. 2/3 cards on flop is suited. I'm pot betting nearly everytime it's checked to me if I'm facing only one player. The opponent typically folds more often or not from what I've noticed.

Have you ever thought about making a video (or even series of videos since there is so much) of how to work with Poker tracker 4? I mean especially how to find our mistakes, how good player's stats should look like, which tabs should ve pay attention the most.....? I would very much appreciete this stuff. (Sorry if it's far from this video's topic)

@BadBoy_604

2 жыл бұрын

Great idea! I use PT4 for the HUD and keeping track of my profit/loss and ROI for tournaments, as well as replaying/reviewing hands. But I'd love to know how to spot leaks and improve my game with it.

Hey BlackRain, commenting on your latest video hoping you'll see this as a suggestion: How about a video talking about the cashout feature on micro stakes at PS? Thoughts good / bad, strategy when to use it etc, what do people do wrong with it, do you ever use it etc.

@coachtim6188

2 жыл бұрын

Poker stars is only available in two states in the US correct? I can't seem to find anywhere that suggests places to play if you are in the US.

@SyntaxTerror1977

2 жыл бұрын

@@coachtim6188 Sorry, I don't know since I live in Europe ;-)

Thank you that for me helps alot

@BlackRain79Poker

Жыл бұрын

Happy to help

The only issue I would have with checking there is having 2 clubs on board and straight draws. Do you really want to give a free card? Seems like if you check and another club or paint hits you are left guessing if they are playing at you because you checked or because they hit their draw. Where if you bet and they call, most times in small stakes they will check on the turn because you are the aggressor so you can now check to keep the pot smaller and make the river decision a bit easier. I am definitely going to give this a try though and see how it goes for me.

If someone calls your raise preflop and an Ace hits, definitely caution... That being said, I don't mind a c-bet in tournament play at least, where you outchip your opponent, for sure... Shut it down when you get called is prudent after that...

Facts

Thanks, I've definitely been making that mistake.

@BlackRain79Poker

Жыл бұрын

Glad to help

Great lesson brother 🙏

@BlackRain79Poker

7 ай бұрын

Thank you, I appreciate the kind words!

Do more like this please.

What if the turn is dead and they start betting into you?

would you also check OOP? that often gets me in all sorts of troubles when they start betting...are they bluffing? do they have a higher Ace? calling three streets is tough end expensive...

@ignaciopiedra1598

2 жыл бұрын

Check strong hands OOP. Protect your checking range. If you check only middle hands they will attack your weak range for sure. Be balanced.

@marksimpson2321

2 жыл бұрын

At microstakes, simply do not check call 3 streets oop without stronger than average hands cos most players are not 3 barrelling with hands you beat often enough to make +ev

@terencehill3972

2 жыл бұрын

@@marksimpson2321 yeah, that seems about right. it just feels weird to CC flop and turn with TP, and then shed on river

Can I use this oop ?

These delayed C Bets will often allow your opponent to catch up...

It always backfire to me. They always hit their 2 outers on the turn... Nevertheless, very good advice and strategy...

@Michael-tn7qw

2 жыл бұрын

They don’t tho, you’re just being results oriented. It’s hard to make a hand, much less ALWAYS hitting two outers on turns

@jwerkjy34rku2rkjoilj

2 жыл бұрын

There is certainly no always or never in poker

@marksimpson2321

2 жыл бұрын

They hit two outers c . 4% of the time so if you bet and get called, you win the bet + pot c. 96% time = $$$$$$

@marksimpson2321

2 жыл бұрын

@@jwerkjy34rku2rkjoilj there is if you get allin with someone who is drawing dead. You always win then. :) 😀

I disagree with checking the flop w second pair on such a coordinated board. If u get called on the flop 95% of the time you can see a free river if u want because your opponent is almost never donk betting turn. This way u can get folds from worse hands like qj or 9x that can suck out on u on turn/ river

@aaron6806

2 жыл бұрын

I tend to agree with you. In this specific example I would be treating my open raise as a bluff with a hand like K 10 off. So it stands to reason that a cbet is necessary way more often, because we are the last person that wants to see another card and complicate the remaining play. I also understand this is a general example, not meant to be nit-picked specifically, so his logic is ok, but I don't think I'd ever be checking behind on that board with such a weak hand.

How about multiway

You are also saying you are trying to get a “tight aggressive player”’to bluff. You miss the point of a “tight” players style.

Another way of looking at both these examples is that both hands are marginal made hands and they are not going to get 3 streets of value v the majority of players at microstakes.

2nd example. If you check the flop with top pair and the turn they bet into you. What do you do?

@catalinc5991

2 жыл бұрын

Call. And on the river, evaluate the board and bet size If they bet again

@DWHarper62

2 жыл бұрын

Check call with crappy kicker... check raise with top top...

nice video

Yesterday I saw a post you made on your website. Comments are no longer allowed for some reason. But it was titled something like the best online sites for micro stakes. Yet not a single actual site was mentioned. Do you or does anyone have a place where I can go to see the best, or reviews, or even just options. It seems to be the hardest thing on earth to find, where all microstates can be played.

@colinmurphy3478

2 жыл бұрын

888 poker has the most donks IMO

@coachtim6188

2 жыл бұрын

@@colinmurphy3478 Yeah I think that's the one I realized I can't play here in Tennessee. I think I'm realizing there are none that I can use.

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So people are that bad just because you check behind they think automatically weakness that you don't have anything I mean I'm a professional so I guess my thinking is that far ahead when I think somebody text back they could obviously have top pair with a crappie kicker or middle pair a lot of times people aren't checking back with nothing they're going to Bluff with nothing so I don't think weakness at all when somebody just check back

who raises king/ten off??????????????????????????????

Day 41 without booking a winning session. There has to be a way. 🤞

Fucking AWESOME video's 😁😁😁😁😁

Balance your range. What is this? Higher stakes? No one pays much attention to that in low stakes

I want to know why you guys make these videos the stuff you're explaining is so freaking simple.. If someone doesnt know this stuff please don't teach them

lol @ using TAG in 2021

Tight but aggressive? Those are kind of polar opposites from most people who play live. If tight players get aggressive you better have a monster to continue.

Really? #1. It's not that simple. #2. When you are more successful than Barry Greenstien, who ALWAYS C BETS, I'll defer to your poker skills then.

Y r u talking with ur nose plugged lol

wait.. why are you afraid of getting check raised on the flop.. but catching bluffs on the turn and river (you're playing both sides of the fence- which tells me you really don't play poker, but like to monetize youtube videos)- if he/she is a real tight aggressive player- they're going to make you pay a TON to catch their bluff on the river.. and what about the times that they actually HAVE the hand and bet the turn and then charge you a ton more for the river? your story doesn't make any sense...

Bad advice. Teaching players to be more passive.. horrible advice for winning poker. With middle pair you are ahead most of the time.. basic strategy teaches you to never give a free card. BET. RAISE.. win.