Stoicism and Christianity: Trust the Logos!

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What is "Logos" anyway? The explanation to some Bible passages rests in their original philosophical context in a Pagan world home to Stoicism, Hermeticism, Platonism, Gnosticism and more. In this episode of Not Related! (notrelated.xyz) we look at the Stoic background to the Gospel and epistles of John and the meaning of Christ as the Stoic ideal and the incarnation of the "Logos."
0:00 What's the Word?The Rise of Christian Theology.
2:53 Being "Stoic" in popular culture and philosophical Stoicism.
3:42 What does Logos mean? The rational order of the universe.
5:47 Universal vs. Individual Telos.
7:47 Bad grammar is gay.
9:40 Stoic morality explained.
11:33 The Disciples learn to #TrustThePlan with Jesus
12:30 Morality, human free will and human action: The Dog Cart Metaphor
14:43 Jesus as the Logos/Word
16:12 Jesus as the Stoic Ideal
20:50 When you're too rational to be rational!
21:50 Jesus versus ZA WARUDO (Logos vs. Cosmos)
24:12 Logos and the victory against sin versus a political messiah
27:19 Statement on Polytheism and Monotheism (Hinduism and Greek and Roman religion)
30:49 Gnosticism and Gnosis, Platonism, and early heresy
35:47 Light vs. darkness
36:55 Review

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  • @phonypony6637
    @phonypony66373 жыл бұрын

    Alright, you've convinced me. I'll finally install arch for God's sake.

  • @DawsonFord

    @DawsonFord

    3 жыл бұрын

    *atrtix now

  • @tealc6218

    @tealc6218

    3 жыл бұрын

    Install Pony OS because of your nom de plume

  • @mathisblair2798

    @mathisblair2798

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DawsonFord why artix over arch? Just curious.

  • @DawsonFord

    @DawsonFord

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mathisblair2798 systemd was the reason. I use macos so I can't be based anymore.

  • @joeschmoe3815

    @joeschmoe3815

    2 жыл бұрын

    Temple OS. It's even written in Holy C

  • @bograham6221
    @bograham62213 жыл бұрын

    This verse is what converted me. I began to really believe in the Logos, and then I realized that John says "that's what God is, dude."

  • @xlittlep

    @xlittlep

    3 жыл бұрын

    In St. Augustine's Confessions, he describes his exact same conversion. He was reading the latest and greatest philosophy of the Neo-Platanists, and he realized that their new understanding could be perfectly summed up by the opening of John's Gospel.

  • @adrianbiber5340

    @adrianbiber5340

    3 жыл бұрын

    Me too! I was reading Matthew, Mark and Luke and was thinking, this is instruction. And then when I got to John he says, Jesus is the Word made flesh. And I was like, yes!

  • @jamieg2427

    @jamieg2427

    2 жыл бұрын

    i'm curious how/why that converted you. honest question.

  • @bograham6221

    @bograham6221

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jamieg2427 The existence of the Logos (as fate, tao, oversoul, etc.) was already convincing enough, and is necessary to stoic philosophy. Of course I've had other personal experiences, but that really just clicked. Simple as that.

  • @jamieg2427

    @jamieg2427

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@bograham6221 1. what made you believe logos exists in the first place? 2. it's then very important to ask, "what is logos as you understand it?" because i think this video gave both of us very different takes in logos. 3. what role do you think anecdote should have in truth formation? i started to write my own answers to the above questions, but i'm trying to focus on other people's opinions more these days.

  • @kmmmsyr9883
    @kmmmsyr98832 жыл бұрын

    Came for Linux and open-source, stayed for Christian lore

  • @bin4rym4ge

    @bin4rym4ge

    Жыл бұрын

    same

  • @KellerBi3r

    @KellerBi3r

    Жыл бұрын

    😂 yuuup

  • @ToSweetYou
    @ToSweetYou3 жыл бұрын

    The holy pill is strong in this one

  • @hunter6953

    @hunter6953

    3 жыл бұрын

    take the god pill

  • @owlstep887

    @owlstep887

    2 жыл бұрын

    Better than red, black, blue etc

  • @kooolainebulger8117

    @kooolainebulger8117

    2 жыл бұрын

    we must spread the God pill

  • @NOMAD3030

    @NOMAD3030

    2 жыл бұрын

    Christians don't take pills, they drink cool aid.

  • @Nekrumorfiini1

    @Nekrumorfiini1

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kooolainebulger8117 Hang on, I gotta hop on my boat with a million different animals with no food to feed them for a year first.

  • @VADemon
    @VADemon3 жыл бұрын

    You just conveyed a year of philosophy, latin, history and religion in 40 minutes. One of a kind video. Thank you

  • @altnhans
    @altnhans3 жыл бұрын

    38 minutes and 57 seconds were well spent. Never expected to learn that much in one video on KZread

  • @SheepFace
    @SheepFace3 жыл бұрын

    It's funny how people these days tend to think that only just recently, suddenly, we got smart and society stopped "sucking". That's just blatantly not true, and in fact, one could argue we got worse. Technology and "ease of access" to information does not make the world inherently better, and it certainly doesn't do much for society.

  • @user10cool
    @user10cool3 жыл бұрын

    Underrated channel.

  • @ngngdlnald9657
    @ngngdlnald9657 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for representing the message of Christianity properly. Most people construct a caricature they can attack. You were simply educational.

  • @hiddenknowledge6333
    @hiddenknowledge63333 жыл бұрын

    I've heard people say "ok, but how can you believe in a PERSONAL God". That's exactly why Christianity makes the most sense to me because we don't view God as an impersonal force or vague "consciousness". Essences, universals, divine exemplars, the "Logoi" which are the energies of the "Logos" are ideas in the mind of a personal God named Jesus Christ.

  • @cooli0

    @cooli0

    Жыл бұрын

    ذَٰلِكُم بِأَنَّهُۥٓ إِذَا دُعِىَ ٱللَّهُ وَحْدَهُۥ كَفَرْتُمْ ۖ وَإِن يُشْرَكْ بِهِۦ تُؤْمِنُواْ ۚ فَٱلْحُكْمُ لِلَّهِ ٱلْعَلِىِّ ٱلْكَبِيرِ

  • @miguelatkinson

    @miguelatkinson

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't see how that is different from certain religions

  • @kaxerrr

    @kaxerrr

    Жыл бұрын

    @@miguelatkinson Faith saves, not works.

  • @miguelatkinson

    @miguelatkinson

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kaxerrr when did I mention anything about works or faith and also there are some Christians who might disagree with you on that one

  • @kaxerrr

    @kaxerrr

    Жыл бұрын

    @@miguelatkinson So? Other religions are works based when it comes to their interpretations of salvation and enlightenment.

  • @Swrd
    @Swrd10 ай бұрын

    "unexpected things happen so that they can be dealt with in the glory of God" what a beautifully put sentence, genuinely gave me goosebumps great video will rewatch again I'm sure of it

  • @eblom366
    @eblom3662 жыл бұрын

    this is more impactful than anything that has ever come out of the lips of my zoomer youth pastor. Big ups, Luke.

  • @DJ_Cthulhu
    @DJ_Cthulhu3 жыл бұрын

    LogOS specifically aimed at people who use computers made out of wood ;)

  • @PirateFunk

    @PirateFunk

    3 жыл бұрын

    :^)

  • @postbunnie

    @postbunnie

    2 жыл бұрын

    Top notch pun.

  • 3 жыл бұрын

    that image is epic

  • @evmanbutts
    @evmanbutts3 жыл бұрын

    I really enjoy these theological talks.

  • @owendejong9088
    @owendejong90883 жыл бұрын

    I really enjoy studying what is called soteriology in Christan doctrine; one of the lesser known views known as Molinism, essentially it is: God takes account of what a human would freely choose and uses their will as a part of his plan for the world. I think It's a cool idea to study and fits well with what you were talking about. Enjoy the video :)

  • @TorahObservantUnitarian

    @TorahObservantUnitarian

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes I too believe in free will and His plan cooperating together.

  • @zappodude7591

    @zappodude7591

    2 жыл бұрын

    We're the Moriarty to His Sherlock. We can do whatever we want, but in the end, He's too smart for us.

  • @kelyncrandall7452

    @kelyncrandall7452

    2 жыл бұрын

    If you believe humans have free will, you don't hold the same view as Stoic philosophy or the New Testament. The allegory regarding the dog tied to a cart does not illustrate free will, but limited choice. The path of our life is mostly determined by forces outside of our control, and we can choose to follow or resist. Jesus likens our lack of choice in salvation to our lack of choice in birth in the beginning of John 3, and Paul tells the believers at Ephesus that they were predestined to salvation and "conformity to His will" in Ephesians 1. These are just 2 examples of what appears many times in every New Testament book: when it comes to salvation, we have no say. Therefore, we do not have free will, but limited choice.

  • @littlesneets8026

    @littlesneets8026

    Жыл бұрын

    E

  • @lifewasgiventous1614

    @lifewasgiventous1614

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kelyncrandall7452 Free will is what 99% of people regard as limited choice, I don't think anyone is under the pretense that we can will everything in life.

  • @jerre438
    @jerre438 Жыл бұрын

    This video is spot-on. I have been studying stoicism for a while at university and really have to commend your explanation and portrayal of it.

  • @spanky4446
    @spanky44463 жыл бұрын

    Came because I couldn't figure out how to configure the suckless software. Now staying for the spiritual enlightenment. Good stuff luke, this is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels, especially as I go through your old videos.

  • @oppie47
    @oppie473 жыл бұрын

    Personal story: I’m 37 year old American (for context) and got caught up in the New Atheist movement of the mid 2000’s and lost my faith then. At the time, I associated Christianity with the stupidity of the Neocon boomer evangelicals and learned to hate Christianity and I became somewhat of a shitlib as a result. It’s so refreshing to see the rise of this older more traditional Christianity that stands for something real and not just giving cash to Israel. Even though I’m still technically an atheist, I have really begun to respect Christianity as I get older.

  • @markasmichmel

    @markasmichmel

    3 жыл бұрын

    what majority people get is watered down metaphysics, and they are presented with religion that has been corrupted in so many ways, it's no wonder people are atheists (lazy agnostics)

  • @chrkrngl

    @chrkrngl

    3 жыл бұрын

    36yo kraut boomer here. Got evangelized/baptized in 2000. And just been through what you said about neocons + evangelicals. Can relate to your story. Also I went pretty "hard core"/orthodox/baptist and in my view I was shocked to see false teachers everywhere. Hillsong? More like Hellsong. Just one example. I couldn't find dirt on C.H Spurgeon though. But all TV evangelists, prosperity gospel teachers, and even in good congregations the "workshop"ization of faith. And every "modern" BS hype from the US. (while we have our very own problems and own demons.) And sorry I hate contemporary Christian music with a passion. Also think about the music industry is even more evil than Hollywood. And that's something... >"We" should never forget that we are hated by the world and should not do business with the world. (Not in a way like "repairing the world", like in Judaism). This world is f****cked beyond repair. And yet we praise God by doing something good(tm) with the time given to us. By living a good life by His laws and so on (e.g. getting married, having kids...) Btw I like this "dialectic" in Christianity, there is always hope for a 'katechon' (see Political Theology by Carl Schmitt) delaying the anti-Christ, the ultimate end (times), so we fight against this world becoming more crazy and more evil by the day WHILE knowing that it is a battle we cannot (and should not) win. And at the same time we wish and hope for our Lord Jesus Christ to fix this world (from outside), after the end times. Christ defeated death. Everything is won. (for us) While everything is lost (for this world). My grandpa called death "the last/final enemy". Having to go through the process of dying (and it's ramifications like very limited life time, which creates debt btw. Debt in capitalism is just the redistribution of debt t *by* the Original sin.)... Where was I? Having to go through the process of dying is the only thing where God's adversary has any hold/grip on us. As you can imagine I'm struggling to find a church/congregation. But I have my prejudices and maybe false pride. But boy, I believe it maybe is even more difficult in the US. Still I'm always amazed how I feel guided through the Holy Spirit. It's an essential piece, becoming born again, receiving the Holy Spirit. And I'm absolutely not into Charismatic or Pentecostal, I think those movements are hijacked (kundalini spirit). Essential finding 2-3 like minded friends and/or believers is enough. Read the word. Pray together. "And you will know the truth and the truth will set you free." (John 8:32)

  • @thatoneuser8600

    @thatoneuser8600

    3 жыл бұрын

    Markas Michmel wdym, agnostic is just an additive description to which type of theist/atheist you are. Most atheists are agnostic atheists, and most theists are gnostic theists. It's rare to hear of an agnostic theist or a gnostic atheist.

  • @acatacho

    @acatacho

    3 жыл бұрын

    American brand of Christianity is pretty much what you described there televangelists that say that Israel is god's chosen people and other moronic stupidities, and no proper study of the philosophical undertones of what is written in the book, or context upon which you can build upon.

  • @user-fz6jj2qu9s

    @user-fz6jj2qu9s

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think as a fellow atheist, it;s not that christianity has changed, but you grew older and "wiser" and dont think anymore as someone who recently lost his faith. As far as i know, everyone who loses his religion is bitter about it. They usually though will get over that bitterness and start respecting that other people can live differently than them andd usually CHOOSE to believe because it helps them in some way.

  • @PirateFunk
    @PirateFunk3 жыл бұрын

    I've been looking for a concise explanation of logos for a while. Thanks Luke!

  • @vaderasss
    @vaderasss3 жыл бұрын

    Logos is two fold: written logos (writing) and spoken logos (speech). Both describe a train of thought, that people can and should communicate and grasp the meaning of things through arguments. That’s where logic comes in, meaning analysing statements and making arguments to grasp this meaning of things

  • @marlak1104

    @marlak1104

    2 жыл бұрын

    You forgot about Jesus the living Word, the second person of the Trinity. Read John 1:14 and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

  • @chrkrngl
    @chrkrngl3 жыл бұрын

    I clapped because I know the Demiurgon from Netflix!! * le sôy face * (great video! thank you.)

  • @micahsnyder7299
    @micahsnyder72992 жыл бұрын

    Came for the free software, like most, but I’ve really been getting into your intellectual/philosophical/essay content. Really good stuff.

  • @sadrat4703
    @sadrat47033 жыл бұрын

    Boomer tries to convince you to not be a doomer

  • @yaajfcomments7171

    @yaajfcomments7171

    3 жыл бұрын

    Vanitas vanitatum et omnia vanitas

  • @yaajfcomments7171

    @yaajfcomments7171

    3 жыл бұрын

    - Wait, it's all worthless? - Always has been.

  • @absolutely9483

    @absolutely9483

    3 жыл бұрын

    ay secret band

  • @VVeltanschauung187

    @VVeltanschauung187

    3 жыл бұрын

    pleaes stop using these words

  • @rinonegro98
    @rinonegro983 жыл бұрын

    Student of Eastern Christian Theology student + Cybernetics Engineer here! my OS -> minix3 (all right yes... virtualised in my fedora, although I am moving towards my own OS); my text/programming editor -> vim. prefered text editor for essays -> vim + latex. Some Christianised esoticism: When facing adversity, we could try to face it as the Logos faced the cross, by "suffering impassibly" (St Cyril of Alexandria); because when we loose, we gain (Philippians 3:7-10 NRSV) Mind blowing!

  • @jonathanetheridge4108
    @jonathanetheridge41083 жыл бұрын

    This video was absolutely amazing, thank you brother 🙏

  • @exitvelocity34
    @exitvelocity343 жыл бұрын

    What a superb surprise! LARBS + great theological/philosophical discussion. Luke, your theology is spot on. So rare outside of local church these days to hear reminder of victory from sin and glorifying God as the whole point to it all. I'd just offer the following for additional discussion: ..."the Word was God.(2) He was with God in the beginning. Jesus is the Word - the fullfillment and all that it entails. I What the Bible specifically says regarding Stoics - Acts 17:18-28 (Context is Paul at the Aeropagus and proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ to those who were Epicurean, Stoics, etc.). The takeaway is certainly that worship of false idols and interest in new theological discussions (just for the sake of hearing something new and interesting) may be "religious" in nature - but not ultimately beneficial -- apart from God. Also, regarding the dog drug by cart metaphor. This is a great point to bring out that I never thought about till now. I think some of that philosophy has crept into modern Christian thinking from the standpoint of prosperity. In essence, "being a Christian will make your life so much better and easier". Certainly not a true statement, nor should it be but I see that expectation all over the place. Back on point. Being drug by a cart is not desired and possibly due to our own sinful choices (vice) but it could just be a result or God's will. I think you made that point regarding the blind beggar -- but just thinking of some of the pagan thought creep into "modern Christianity". I could go on but it's KZread comments so ... Great video sir!

  • @fififinance7469
    @fififinance74693 жыл бұрын

    So happy to have found your channel. Great wisdom. Starting from a similar place and want to be able to unshackle for freedom, good luck with the plan and excited to follow along with your channel.👍

  • @arrtemfly
    @arrtemfly3 жыл бұрын

    okay now i will call anyone with bad spelling gay and the dude won't be able to disagree

  • @waynewreck4355

    @waynewreck4355

    3 жыл бұрын

    You didn’t capitalize the “I” therefore, by your own logic you are gay.

  • @arrtemfly

    @arrtemfly

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@waynewreck4355 oi wanker you wat? i only habe seks wid me bottle o rum!

  • @waynewreck4355

    @waynewreck4355

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@arrtemfly now you’re super gay

  • @solomonxie5157
    @solomonxie51573 жыл бұрын

    have been following for quite some time and very glad to hear the biblical talks

  • @mathematicalninja2756
    @mathematicalninja27563 жыл бұрын

    2 videos in one day. I’ve been blessed

  • @andrewu2480
    @andrewu24802 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this video. I really like what you said about "the victory being a victory against sin, which happens in individuals". Hearing that was necessary for me.

  • @zhangyi674
    @zhangyi6743 жыл бұрын

    Amen, brother Luke!

  • @cvoges12

    @cvoges12

    3 жыл бұрын

    Amen indeed

  • @paquitojhs
    @paquitojhs3 жыл бұрын

    Wow this is some quality content. I truly appreciate this video. Anything that will allow other people to know the Truth is good in my eyes! Thanks Luke. I knew you were a good guy when I started watching your videos.

  • @akaneamano4368
    @akaneamano4368 Жыл бұрын

    I was learning linux from your channel and the contents are really good. But it is this video that gives me the reason to hit the subscribe button.

  • @anonapop2614
    @anonapop26143 жыл бұрын

    Well done!! I really enjoyed this. Watched 2x just to make sure I really got everything. Very nice.

  • @Jupiter__001_
    @Jupiter__001_3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Luke for this interesting whirlwind tour of the philosophies that were part of the heritage of Christianity! It was very insightful.

  • @joeschmoe3815

    @joeschmoe3815

    2 жыл бұрын

    Stoicism is older than Christianity.

  • @Jupiter__001_

    @Jupiter__001_

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@joeschmoe3815 Keyword "heritage"

  • @rockytom5889

    @rockytom5889

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@joeschmoe3815 So is writing and reading, use it.

  • @joeschmoe3815

    @joeschmoe3815

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rockytom5889 No! I will never own up to my illiteracy! You will never catch me alive! *jumps out of window*

  • @rockytom5889

    @rockytom5889

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@joeschmoe3815 This has the same energy as: "History will remember you as a fool" "WELL THAT DOESN'T MATTER, CAUSE I CAN'T READ!"

  • @patrickprucha5522
    @patrickprucha55227 ай бұрын

    Very interesting presentation. I do appreciate the efforts that you have put into this for us! Thank you!

  • @KingZero69
    @KingZero693 жыл бұрын

    love this show... please make it more often

  • @gareth7762
    @gareth77623 жыл бұрын

    Amazing stuff, thank you hope to hear more

  • @chrisbohn3746
    @chrisbohn37463 жыл бұрын

    best episode of not related yet!

  • @almasabdrazak5089
    @almasabdrazak50893 жыл бұрын

    I'm a simple man , when I see a new episode of not related I just smash the like button

  • @brettkelly6053
    @brettkelly60533 жыл бұрын

    More like this. Excellent and necessary.

  • @saeedradmehr1976
    @saeedradmehr19763 жыл бұрын

    I always enjoy your lectures.

  • @hermenutic
    @hermenutic2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. Understanding the concept of the Logos as applied to Jesus was conducive to expanding my faith. It is a wonderful way to consider or meditate upon the meaning of the Incarnation of Jesus ( the embodied Logos) when studying his parables about the Kingdom of God. It is a productive format for meditation

  • @adrianthomas1473
    @adrianthomas1473 Жыл бұрын

    The relationships between Stoicism and Epicurean teachings and Early Christianity is remarkable. We have reduced Christianity to a simplistic salvation formula and the deeper Logos philosophy of life has been lost. Who now would look to Christianity for a deeper understanding of reality. The Church has lost the Logos and modern Christianity is dominated be versions of the Prosperity Gospel. It’s so very tragic and the older teachings need to be recovered.

  • @justins7796
    @justins77963 жыл бұрын

    listened to this 3 times now, thank you :)

  • @kaiser02.y
    @kaiser02.y3 жыл бұрын

    Ok, this is epic

  • @trailblazingfive
    @trailblazingfive3 жыл бұрын

    This is some quality content; request for sources regarding stoic philosophy in it's non-popcultural form 🤠

  • @GiantRobotIdeon

    @GiantRobotIdeon

    3 жыл бұрын

    Meditations by Marcus Aurelius is a good start.

  • @highfructosedreams

    @highfructosedreams

    3 жыл бұрын

    Discourses and Enchiridion by Epictetus, Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, and Letters From a Stoic by Seneca are the most popular ones

  • @godsarmy8746

    @godsarmy8746

    3 жыл бұрын

    Epictetus

  • @stuckmannen3876
    @stuckmannen38763 жыл бұрын

    So glad I found your channel! Stay safe...many good channels are getting banned these days

  • @jayc9940
    @jayc99403 жыл бұрын

    LOVE THIS

  • @Chris-on5bt
    @Chris-on5bt3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, I really enjoyed this.

  • @Raccoonov
    @Raccoonov3 жыл бұрын

    Wow! Thanks, Luke! ❤️

  • @videorelaxant2780
    @videorelaxant27802 жыл бұрын

    Best episode of Not Related imo

  • @gareth7762
    @gareth77622 жыл бұрын

    Please do more on the logos, even some book recommendations to find out more would be appreciated!

  • @Barbastruzzolo
    @Barbastruzzolo3 жыл бұрын

    That passage from John is read every time at the end of the Traditional Latin Mass

  • @cvoges12

    @cvoges12

    3 жыл бұрын

    Wow, seems that they've kept to their roots or had a deeper understanding of the text

  • @mitchmarq428

    @mitchmarq428

    3 жыл бұрын

    TLM gang!

  • @Christopher-ew7jw

    @Christopher-ew7jw

    3 жыл бұрын

    We (the majority of the Roman Catholic Church) never should have left the TLM.

  • @neame-bh3uq

    @neame-bh3uq

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Christopher-ew7jw the Roman Catholic Church should have never left the patriarchy

  • @alonsoACR

    @alonsoACR

    Жыл бұрын

    @@neame-bh3uq I don't know what you meant with this. The Patriarchies (plural) are alive and well in Catholicism.

  • @joselaw6669
    @joselaw66693 жыл бұрын

    I *feel* there is not an actual barrier between (good) literature, religion and philosophy. Even psychology, with their constructs like our 'subconscious', which atheists happily believe .

  • @oppie47

    @oppie47

    3 жыл бұрын

    That reminds me of how runes were used to both spell words and cast spells.

  • @miguelatkinson

    @miguelatkinson

    Жыл бұрын

    What is atheists happily believe come from

  • @alexandrudaniel8068
    @alexandrudaniel80683 жыл бұрын

    Based and Christpilled.

  • @nomore9004

    @nomore9004

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@folksurvival Both

  • @graemetunbridge250

    @graemetunbridge250

    2 жыл бұрын

    Волны смерти? Где ты получил ваш имея?

  • @sorrysirmygunisoneba
    @sorrysirmygunisoneba2 жыл бұрын

    Loved listening to this. I’ve been following stoicism just casually for a few years since I discovered a Meditations (an incredible book, it was logos that it wasn’t destroyed). It has only been recently when I began to see connections between this and Christianity. If you strip it down to its bare basics you can see a lot of links between the two if not the same concept or foundations, which holy book would you say is closest to the foundational logos and cosmos view?

  • @joeschmoe3815

    @joeschmoe3815

    2 жыл бұрын

    The Enchiridion is even better. Way more streamlined. You can find it free on the net.

  • @dingusdangus1790
    @dingusdangus17903 жыл бұрын

    Someone's been hanging out on /lit/ again. Soon he's going to start talking about Evola.

  • @thescrawl6594

    @thescrawl6594

    3 жыл бұрын

    I always got the feeling that Luke was more /lit/ than he was ever /g/

  • @ryanharp5352

    @ryanharp5352

    3 жыл бұрын

    Luke is Butterfly

  • @fenixman2

    @fenixman2

    3 жыл бұрын

    guenon is the new litcore meme apparently. Honestly, luke is much more entertaining than /lit/, its almost insulting to associate the two.

  • @francisnorthwood7862

    @francisnorthwood7862

    3 жыл бұрын

    You are wrong if you think he is browsing imageboards zoomer

  • @thescrawl6594

    @thescrawl6594

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@francisnorthwood7862 of course he doesnt currently, but that doesn't mean he doesn't embody the /lit/ spirit

  • @gowthamkrishnasivaraja7616
    @gowthamkrishnasivaraja7616Ай бұрын

    Great explanation, thank you!

  • @processorbot8761
    @processorbot87613 жыл бұрын

    Yay great content Luke

  • @tommytrieu416
    @tommytrieu4163 жыл бұрын

    Amazing ... Well analysised

  • @MrJoseklon
    @MrJoseklon3 жыл бұрын

    My bothers gather around and listen to the gospel of our apostle Luke 🙏

  • @ajdaniel123
    @ajdaniel1233 жыл бұрын

    Your best and most important video

  • @MartinsTalbergs
    @MartinsTalbergs3 жыл бұрын

    Loved it!

  • @cookiedestroyer402
    @cookiedestroyer4023 жыл бұрын

    On a related note the Celtics converted quicker than most other groups, They had a very sacrifice based religion and when they heard about Christ's sacrifice on the cross it was almost they said "oh its all over now"

  • @Jupiter__001_

    @Jupiter__001_

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, also the Celtic religion already had strong understanding of the concept of Trinity, hence why all the common Celtic symbols have three in one as the central design element.

  • @KPenceable

    @KPenceable

    3 жыл бұрын

    Wow sounds like totally well researched information

  • @Jupiter__001_

    @Jupiter__001_

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@KPenceable Are you a Celtic historian, or have you at least studied the Celtic religion and history? I am Irish, so I study it sometimes in my free time. Did you know that the Druids (the priestly class in Celtic society) were actually critical in the conversion of Celts to Christianity? Indeed, they were some of the first among the Celts to convert, understanding Christianity as the fulfillment of their religion. Indeed, it was they who went on to become the first priests and bishops of Britain. Compare this to the resistance of other groups to Christianity, for example the Romans, who persecuted and attempted to crush it with all their being, as it was seen as a threat by many Roman Emperors.

  • @MrPianoMatt12

    @MrPianoMatt12

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Jupiter__001_ really interesting, thanks for your comment. Know any good books about the celts?

  • @PeterShieldsukcatstripey
    @PeterShieldsukcatstripey2 жыл бұрын

    yes i did learn something for sure. thanks very much.

  • @jverk4
    @jverk43 жыл бұрын

    I've tuned in for linux content for years, but this may be my favorite video yet. Any chance for a UGA meetup?

  • @occisoft8082
    @occisoft80823 жыл бұрын

    This is so good

  • @usernameispasswordisusername
    @usernameispasswordisusername3 жыл бұрын

    God bless you Luke

  • @XYReason
    @XYReason3 жыл бұрын

    I knew dude about these stuff. I acknowledged my myself as an orthodox christian, just because it had stoic sense to it. Then I've met stoic philosophy and couldn't find much difference, but stoicism is much more minimalistic! Nietzsche was a stoic, and had great influence on most of dictators about existential topic. So I was always distant to philosophy of nihilism as such, and I considered myself like pessimist(in physical form) and opportunist(in spiritual form, like eager for spiritual abbundance) so I discovered philosophy of absurdism (Alber Camus had most influence on my standpoint).

  • @dislikebutton1718
    @dislikebutton17182 жыл бұрын

    Perfect explanation!

  • @michaelgmail5968
    @michaelgmail59683 жыл бұрын

    very nice video, thank you

  • @weirdshort_SkrooYT
    @weirdshort_SkrooYT2 жыл бұрын

    Turns out I'm a stoic and I didn't even know it...lol

  • @gxkdykxiyx1985

    @gxkdykxiyx1985

    Жыл бұрын

    Same!

  • @unfairtrout
    @unfairtrout3 жыл бұрын

    Gonna watch this as soon as I’m done watching TV

  • @bergkajian1257
    @bergkajian12573 жыл бұрын

    A stoic and a Christian eh? Nietzche would love to have a talk with you...

  • @goodczar7136

    @goodczar7136

    3 жыл бұрын

    I don't think Nietzsche wanted to talk to anyone. Also he wasn't an apologist he more just laid out his beliefs rather than argued for them.

  • @markm2092

    @markm2092

    3 жыл бұрын

    Have you read the Bible. Christianity = true stoicism

  • @markm2092

    @markm2092

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Alan Crane He lived out his philosophies, that’s why his life was miserable

  • @than9025

    @than9025

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@markm2092 eh i’d argue it’s kind of a quasi-stoicism more than anything, i grew up under one of the more stoic doctrines and i can tell you from experience that most christians just have faith to perpetuate their own faith, and care nothing for the human condition which is what defines true morality the quickest

  • @markm2092

    @markm2092

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@than9025 That stems from the belief that the glory of God is worth more than the human condition morally. The reasoning is that the human condition comes secondary to God, anyone who places it above God is acting immorally.

  • @joachim847
    @joachim8473 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Uncle Luke!! I wasn't aware of the relation between cosmos and logos in Stoic philosophy. Saint John can be confusing -- God loves the cosmos, but we are forbidden from loving the cosmos (probably in First John somewhere).

  • @VincentTamer
    @VincentTamer3 жыл бұрын

    Hello Luke. This episode came to me at a really excellent time. I also listen to Bronze Age Perverts podcast and he did an episode similar to this speaking on Gnosticism. To keep it brief, I've been trying to find the right cosmology for myself for some time now, bouncing from a more Christian approach, to denouncing Christianity and Abrahamism and now I am looking again and Christianity with a more open mindset. As you mentioned in the video there are some who view those religions as usurpers of Europe. I too was in that camp but now I am finding that perhaps what I need most is to come back to what my ancestors have done for so long. I really enjoyed this episode, it is prompting me to do some research.

  • @VincentTamer

    @VincentTamer

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@blindmechanism6555 Do you also cringe when you coom into a sock after your evening skyrim binge?

  • @alonsoACR

    @alonsoACR

    Жыл бұрын

    Now, two years later, have you come to any conclusions?

  • @VincentTamer

    @VincentTamer

    Жыл бұрын

    @@alonsoACR Yes, I've been baptized into the Orthodox Church :)

  • @fangfirebird100
    @fangfirebird1002 жыл бұрын

    love the aesthetic out here.

  • @Dan-pi6dx
    @Dan-pi6dx3 жыл бұрын

    Very nice my brother

  • @wojteksowinski248
    @wojteksowinski2482 жыл бұрын

    I gotta say, as someone who's read Marcus Aurelius, I found this a lot more enlightening than I expected. I'm an agnostic atheist so I don't buy into any of the Bible's supernatural claims but this video did give me a new appreciation of Christian philosophy.

  • @robienob89
    @robienob893 жыл бұрын

    When will you have a podcast?

  • @chrishamberg8028
    @chrishamberg80282 жыл бұрын

    2:20 No, "logos," is not lost to time. It is the same word as logo, log, and logic: the symbolic representation of an abstraction (thought.)

  • @Osama-Bon-Jovi-01
    @Osama-Bon-Jovi-012 жыл бұрын

    I love these sorts of videos, thanks Luke!

  • @spongeknob_tentpants
    @spongeknob_tentpants3 жыл бұрын

    "Now what exactly do you mean by Logos? Does it have anything to do with Low-Gauss?" - E. Micheal Jones

  • @JohnnyNada

    @JohnnyNada

    3 жыл бұрын

    Lmao Owen Benjamin, Vox, and E M Jones know best

  • @YawnGod
    @YawnGod2 жыл бұрын

    May The Algorithm bless this video.

  • @PeterShieldsukcatstripey
    @PeterShieldsukcatstripey2 жыл бұрын

    That did so much to help me understand my faith better. why can't the church ever make church history so accessible? moving from rules to doing i guess is the synopsis. sure puts luther's grace by faith alone into question.

  • @user-wl4sr4tl7f
    @user-wl4sr4tl7f3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, please, talk about Plotinus.

  • @SamAndrew27
    @SamAndrew276 ай бұрын

    Tech, Christianity *and* Stoicism?! I've never subscribed so quickly.

  • @pauljohnson7791
    @pauljohnson77912 жыл бұрын

    Mr. Smith, thank you for this explanation/exposition - I've never heard these concepts presented in this way. It has always been either Hard Western Protestant Christian or Hard Atheistic Mocking. Interesting to realize no, no protestant churches are talking about these things when they discuss the "times of Jesus". I know what you meant when you said "telos" means goal, and I saw someone tried to clarify that. I think "goal" is sufficient for your point. I learned "telos" or "teleos" in Rhetoric and then was surprised to find it in Matthew's gospel translated "perfect". I think of it like Matthew kelly: "the best version of yourself". Thanks again, I'll be perusing your other videos/talks.

  • @ISCARI0T

    @ISCARI0T

    2 жыл бұрын

    i dont make a distinction between protestants and atheists. most protestants are following heretical doctrine that is contrary to the the bible.

  • @alejandrosrwebmaster
    @alejandrosrwebmaster3 жыл бұрын

    English translation of the Bible lost so much depth!

  • @dlbard1

    @dlbard1

    3 жыл бұрын

    That and many other words in the English Bible.

  • @MattyFez
    @MattyFez3 жыл бұрын

    Is this hinting towards a deeper dive into phenomenology?

  • @Magnus_E
    @Magnus_E3 жыл бұрын

    λόγος and τέλος, still exist in modern Greek and are being used frequently. Τέλος is used more often with the meaning of "end" (even in movie endings) or "tax". Modern greek pronunciation is like loh-wos (with w like in WHat) and teh-los (with teh like in TErritory). Idk about the "erasmian" pronunciation in ancient Greek, though.

  • @angelsanabria4457
    @angelsanabria44573 жыл бұрын

    lo habia escuchado 3 veces antes y recien le entiendo

  • @Sitzkrieg
    @Sitzkrieg3 жыл бұрын

    luke smith used arch so much they put him in the bible. truly a scholar of the ages.

  • @Spedfree
    @Spedfree3 жыл бұрын

    Cool talk dude

  • @hantarosi20
    @hantarosi203 жыл бұрын

    Close to 100k , noice

  • @dbporter
    @dbporter3 жыл бұрын

    for you fedoras out there! lol

  • @justins7796

    @justins7796

    3 жыл бұрын

    😂😂😂

  • @robertwilkins3167
    @robertwilkins3167 Жыл бұрын

    Tarsus, Saint Paul's hometown, was a Stoic stronghold.

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