The title is blatant clickbait yall, Torch has not beat Stockfish in any tournament or had a better performance throughout a tournament once, it very recently lost to Stockfish in the bullet final of the CCC (570.5-429.5) and is currently scoring worse in the Blitz Semifinal

@lethallohn

24 күн бұрын

Agreed. It really is clickbait intentional or not, since Stockfish won as white with this prearranged opening as well.

@anonym5160

20 күн бұрын

He changed the Titel

Looks like torch smoked some fish.

Jozarov can you make your own chess engine tournament? Then you can choose your own preranged openings.

@Jozarovschesschannel

25 күн бұрын

Something could be done

Even Stockfish got tired of the torture.

@jaanuskiipli4647

24 күн бұрын

torchure

A very fine win by Torch a couple of powerful counterstrikes really changed things. Interesting how it turned after all the tactics into an endgame advantage. thanks Josip.

Now show us how torch performed against stockfish in the same inferior position as black

Thank you ❤, look at tcec26 FRD semiLeague1 game 5 ? between Altair vs Ethereal, Altair made move 21 trapping his queen

Would be good to see the game pair. Even if you spend less time analyzing side lines, it's more fair to see how the engines play each side.

im also following all ur video sir .. from Philippines

I'd like to see a blitz engine championship defined by clock cycles rather than minutes. How well can engines play with 10M clock cycles per game + 100k clock cycles increment?

Nice haircut by the way

@Jozarovschesschannel

24 күн бұрын

Thanks. With the small amount of hair that I have I got the best out of it. ;)

Stockfish 17 in a few months will destroy Torch2!

@movieman6456

25 күн бұрын

Yes, keep praying.

@profounddamas

25 күн бұрын

You have proof or just wishful thinking?

@bloxorzwizard7931

24 күн бұрын

Isn't 17 beta already out?

@anonym5160

24 күн бұрын

@@bloxorzwizard7931 according to the Stockfish Channel yes

Follow the best engines. For sure.

the Torch project has stopped last week.

@Jozarovschesschannel

22 күн бұрын

Can you give me a link to the news or some additional info

Be interesting to see what their score against each other is in all time formats.

stockfish is the best, temporary can be contestet, but it stil the best ... if the organizer put nimzoindian on table, torch not even touch the ball. By the way, what do Torch in same position with black?

@modolief

24 күн бұрын

This is the interesting question.

@lethallohn

24 күн бұрын

Torch lost against Stockfish as well.

Thanks a lot for create this type of videos.

Stockfish still is first now in the tournament.That lost a game it not such a bid deal!

I don't understand after Bd3 why Stockfish avoided capture on h3 ? @ 14:02.

@paulcox2447

23 күн бұрын

Computers are looking like 15-20 moves ahead at all times. You didn't calculate over 100,000 possible combos like the computer did lol. The computers are just looking for which positions tend to win overall most often. So they will give up a piece on turn 5 if it means more winning potential by move 30. You can't always make sense of what they do as a human.

Play a similar defense against the London System. A41. I know it's pre-arranged, but I don't like that early b5 move by black. It seems like an over extension without a clear provocation. I feel like you have to save that b5 for a knight kick and to prevent white from taking that long diagonal easily

Were they run on the exact same hardware?

3:53 why not g4 immediately to trap the knight?

Stocky got a lesson 😂😂

One great game ❤❤❤ Thanks

I really like your channel for your consistency in covering engine games but the title is blatantly incorrect. Torch just won a single pair, Stockfish is back in the lead and leads 4-1 in their head to head

@Jozarovschesschannel

23 күн бұрын

When I recorded the video Torch had a clear advantage. Maybe I should change the title

Ach 1/2 point ist nutink.

Shame jozarov shame, everybody knows that Torch's development has been halted.

Maybe... As it becomes harder for chess AI to make progress at higher levels, development tends to slow down. This allows those in lower regions to catch up more quickly, eventually leading everyone to converge towards a more or less optimal chess strength. I believe this is the case with the chess engines Stockfish and Torch. Chess is the best ;)

@luciangv3252

23 күн бұрын

All other engines follow SF path, thats why are growing su fastly

Wow a very surprising Thumbnail I loved watching Stockfish work its magic devastating wins it had against leelaC0 and Berserker just a super well game played by Torch great attacking and positional play Incredible I think we all enjoyed Stockfish I didn’t see that as a problem but for sure we want to see the games with the strongest engines I think Stockfish will bounce back thanks for the game Jozarov

@Jozarovschesschannel

24 күн бұрын

Its very dynamic in the tournament

SF leads 1 point againts Torch but Torch wins from other engines while SF draws

It was SSS. Torch development is over. And SF is leading now.

Stockfish is not the strongest engine....its jozarov engine.

Oh,well well before i watch this ,could it be you really learned something ,i was the one that created the change when i beat the best program and moved the elo factor up and knew what this is where it is when it is how it is no matter how confusing it looks and or sense of it to how it works😮

@GeorgeEpting

24 күн бұрын

Yes my dragon and now it is getting clearer and clearly to see but I'm still under 30 seconds easily now I told you to much 😮

Currently Stockfish is leading their head to head in the tournament 6 wins to 3 and Stockfish is leading the tournament…for now. Plus Stockfish is leading all its head to head matches. Misleading title.

Semifinals were restarted. Before the restart Stockfish had actually won a game pair against Torch. So no, Torch is not stronger, it just happened to win a pair after the restart and Stockfish has already recovered by winning another one. Please refrain from using these clickbait titles, many people do not follow CCC and TCEC constantly and will take titles like this for granted and incorrectly assume they're true.

@Jozarovschesschannel

25 күн бұрын

Torch is right now half of the point behind with two games less played

@janolthof2487

24 күн бұрын

If you don't like it, start your own channel. I've been following Jozarov for years. He is doing great!

@istvanmatolcsi1786

24 күн бұрын

@@Jozarovschesschannel Stockfish is right now 1 point ahead of Torch with same amount of games played, also Stockfish vs. Torch games favor Stockfish (9points for Stockfish, only 7 for Torch)

@Jozarovschesschannel

24 күн бұрын

@@istvanmatolcsi1786 today we will cover then a Stockfish game

@Jozarovschesschannel

24 күн бұрын

@@istvanmatolcsi1786 today we will cover then a Stockfish game

Stockfish is stronger. Alot stronger. Just not enough games played yet.

Slightly misleading title... instead of b5, Stockfish 16 on my HP AMD RYZEN 7000/5 wants to immediately play a much better move that's only 0.07 for white and tve organizer's b5 move gets a 0.88 and drops a minimum of 0.81. I'm thinking maybe it's the Organizers who are not the strongest anymore lol.

Apparently Torch is a Cheat, it used Stockfish to beat Stockfish 😅

Chessmaster 2.0 has also already proven itself to be much stronger than Stockfish 16.0 by soundly defeating the fish with the Black pieces in only 2 moves with this prearranged Computer Chess Championship opening 1.f4 e6 2.g4 Qh4#

Stockfish in fact is still the strongest and this video, also in fact, is clickbait..

The Stockfish team doesnt seem to operate anything like Alpha Zero. They have a much more surface level understanding of AI. It was a matter of time that they would get passed up

This is just a bad opening for black so this game proves nothing

Torch is trash, mods overwrite results for it!

@DanLyndon

25 күн бұрын

Explain

@richi2870

25 күн бұрын

@@DanLyndon what should i explain? I have seen on there website, how mods changed results for torch

@DanLyndon

24 күн бұрын

@@richi2870 Results can be changed for fair reasons. That doesn't mean anything. Also, did this game happen or not? In what way is Torch 'trash' when it is an objectively great engine?

@richi2870

24 күн бұрын

@@DanLyndon there was no fair reason lol. What are you talking about.

6:33 what happens if Kxe5? Pawn is pinned

@theegyptiancamel

25 күн бұрын

I see, Qf5 attacks K and B and threatens mate in 2 with Qxf6 Qxf7 mate

@jurjenvanderhoek316

24 күн бұрын

Qf5 indeed. But there is no "Qxf6 Qxf7 mate" threat, it is Qxf2 Qxg2

@theegyptiancamel

24 күн бұрын

@@jurjenvanderhoek316 haha yes i totally messed up the board positions but thats what i had in mind 😂