Stockfish: You hang a rook in one move, I hang a rook in 70. We are not the same

@cheese1627

8 ай бұрын

Cheese

@Chaoticwtf

8 ай бұрын

​@@cheese1627hi cheese

@arnavnandan

8 ай бұрын

​@@Chaoticwtfhi psycho

@ghost_of_bread

8 ай бұрын

Bread

@uno_revers

8 ай бұрын

​​@@ghost_of_breadhi breaf

For everyone who wants to know, Levy has exactly 37 videos with a title containing the word stockfish along with multiple exclamation marks.

@emilsevdanov1042

8 ай бұрын

I was gonna like the comment, but it has 69 likes.

@nikolajnovicic402

8 ай бұрын

@@emilsevdanov1042 Thanks for not being the one to ruin it bro 👍

@Dobader

8 ай бұрын

37? Gotta up those numbers. Those are rookie numbers.

@raphaelwaggoner3200

8 ай бұрын

In a row?

@r7diego

8 ай бұрын

ok, in the same spirit, did you know that the heart of a shrimp is located in its head?

I think it’d be more fair to say that Leela just made history by being the first to beat Stockfish with black in two years than Stockfish making history for losing it.

@liljackypaper

8 ай бұрын

I don't understand how doing something that happened two years ago is making history regardless of which side

@Charzoh

8 ай бұрын

​@@liljackypaperI think it has less to do with the time frame and more with the fact that Stockfish has probably played millions of games as white in that time and not lost

@morenocroda-yw4wr

8 ай бұрын

yeah but mentioning Stockfish attracts more viewers than Leela

@MonkeyAndChicken

8 ай бұрын

Because two years is like 10,000 years to a bot. These two literally play one another a million times a day.

@duskDrifter_

8 ай бұрын

Pretty sure Stockfish in the title gets more views than Leela

As a fish, I can confirm that Levy's face sliced me in half

@Kitsune_Chess1

8 ай бұрын

Lmfao

@popbat

8 ай бұрын

i havent watched the video yet and i love this comment

@yourlocalnoobfriend

8 ай бұрын

As gotham’s camera i can agree that i feel bad for u

@donkarnage6986

8 ай бұрын

i dont understand... Why are you never talking about chess?

@jayeshrattnani8577

8 ай бұрын

Bro got gojovered

Stockfish evaluating its own game: “this guy’s pretty good”

Leela has a stronger (and expensive to run) neural network compared to Stockfish, that's why it operates at a much lower depth. Stockfish relies on seeing 20 or 30 moves ahead, much more in the endgame sacrificing a small amount of positional understanding. Leela on the other hand compensates for not seeing that far ahead by understanding the separate positions better. And sometimes, this can make Leela see actually further from the position it gets to than Stockfish can see by just physically looking further ahead with lower cost (or "attention") to the separate positions. And that's when Stockfish won't realize, but Leela will. Only if the depth of the tactic is beyond what Stockfish is able to look at.

@Apparat8

8 ай бұрын

Good explanation. Thanks!

@sameliesmy

8 ай бұрын

Perfectly explained. Thanks!

@siprus

8 ай бұрын

So basically Leela answer to question "What if chess engines understood endgame/positions, instead of just raw calculations".

@rajaharzaai420

8 ай бұрын

Wow great explanation and makes sense. This comment should be pinned

@xanschneider

8 ай бұрын

@@siprus That was before. Now Stockfish has both. Ever since it got the NNUE it also has a deep understanding of the game. That combined with a superb brute force calculation is what makes it the best.

I've started to learn 2 months ago, after I watched Levy for the first time. I watch him so much now that every time I play his voice is in my head telling me what to do. That means every time I lose, it is his fault.

@Mkrabs

8 ай бұрын

Everytime you make a terrible move you hear "Notice this move played right there, this will be detrimental in the late game for them" and then you realize you hung the queen. 😢

@mystblox2275

8 ай бұрын

Sounds about right

@Flashbangb4

8 ай бұрын

Yes, blaming Levy is legit. Your ego thanks you.

Levy never disappoints to put stockfish inside of us

@aidanvfx8052

8 ай бұрын

ayo

@qqma4791

8 ай бұрын

💀

@Adarzha

8 ай бұрын

Poor choice of words my friend

@NyxSnow

8 ай бұрын

Bro what? 🤨

@yugaeimthicc6400

8 ай бұрын

stockfish speaks for itself

Best teacher ever , the amount of effort he puts in his teaching is just insane

@averagelizard2489

8 ай бұрын

Can we just appreciate how much time and effort he puts into his content?

@poganlaul6484

8 ай бұрын

Can we just appreciate how much stockfish he puts into his video🥰🥰

@vibecat7101

8 ай бұрын

Can we just appreciate this chain?

@icarusflying1814

8 ай бұрын

Can we just appreciate how much we should appreciate the appreciation this video gets?

@DahsThePigeon

8 ай бұрын

Can we appreciate?

Something that Levy always fails to communicate properly is when the forced opening book is finished and when the engines actually start to choose moves. In this game, it was move 9 for white, where stockfish plays 9. a4. This means that the everything before this was not a decision of the engines, so things like 2. Nf3 and 7. Bxc7 was not actually chosen by Leela. In the mirror position, Leela played 9. Qg3.

@briandawkins7108

8 ай бұрын

you want him to talk MORE?

@Matt-ln7lb

8 ай бұрын

@@briandawkins7108 No, he wants him to talk less, because there's little point in covering moves that the AIs don't actually play. He could start coverage straight from move 8/9 in this case.

@SteveBennett1

8 ай бұрын

He explained exactly that point, using the term free will.

@Jay-08.

8 ай бұрын

@@Matt-ln7lb tbh levy talks to much, most of his videos are lengthened too much, its why he doesnt get much views

@KingOfNebbishes

8 ай бұрын

​​@@Jay-08.*notes 335k views:* OK bro.

you should of added a leela eval. interested in seeing how different the eval was at moves 23-26.

@ZDTF

Ай бұрын

I don't think computers like alpha zero and Leela have eval bar thingy in them

Can we all appreciate how garry chess made chess so levy could make content

@realteamwall

8 ай бұрын

john chess is the inventor of chess

@jeremykothe2847

8 ай бұрын

no credit to battlechess?

@tmpqtyutmpqty4733

8 ай бұрын

Don't forget Albert Camera, that made filming possible so we can see this video.

@jeremykothe2847

8 ай бұрын

@@tmpqtyutmpqty4733You deserve credit as well. You tube.

I remember in the games vs Alpha Zero, the neural net really liked to basically trap Stockfish's pieces

@markrobertson3054

7 ай бұрын

Bro thats against sf8..

@arkadiuszjandylewski152

7 ай бұрын

Yeah Stockfish 16 is light years ahead of Stockfish 8.

@ZDTF

Ай бұрын

​@@markrobertson3054it'll still win Alpha zero and Leela really like trapping pieces Suffocating the enemy And guess what Stockfishy's Weakness is Not realising it's getting suffocated

This is the gotham I’m lately missing a bit, this is peak content. Feel like lately it lacks depth, unlike this.

@yodamaged2703

8 ай бұрын

I agree wholeheartedly.

@yodamaged2703

8 ай бұрын

And also, nice constructive criticism. Respect that.

@marcheuer3610

8 ай бұрын

Yes, totally different from the constant yelling in the Magnus - Hikaru recaps, THAT was so annoying

@Whyisthisathing825

8 ай бұрын

Ehh, still better than the whole Frank thing, also, an actuarry rational comment, nice

@Saunderabovo

8 ай бұрын

I miss the opening videos and chess concepts in general. But it makes sense because that content is going into Chessly now.

Stockfish is like the cocky big brother in the house that everybody loves and Leela is a young little sister with hidden talents that outshines her brother whenever he gets too cocky and makes a mistake.

@AndroidPoetry

8 ай бұрын

Leela is an incredible piece of technology, never to be underestimated.

@yodamaged2703

8 ай бұрын

​@@AndroidPoetryI very much agree. Such a beautiful engine. If I had to play like any engine, I'd definitely play like Leela. What about you?

@starvoid_official

8 ай бұрын

​@@yodamaged2703martin

@jacobnunya808

8 ай бұрын

@@yodamaged2703 Ooow someone has a crush.

@honestpanda4933

8 ай бұрын

​@@yodamaged2703 but stockfish still destroys Leela

Just imagine you reviewing the game and see that the best move is random king move

Stockfish : everything is FIIIINEEEE!!! Leela: *moves a random bishop* Stockfish: Hol up, something ain't right....

Haven’t watched this guy in forever. Didn’t know his hairline could get worse

@GothamChess

8 ай бұрын

Your elo still 300?

@Milo_whatwould

8 ай бұрын

@@GothamChess1600 actually

What an extraordinary game and fantastic observations of Stockfish's (rare) blindspot, great content Goth.

Levy never fails to stock fish in us

@gilly_the_fish

8 ай бұрын

Dude, I'm so stocked up on fish, I couldn't possibly stock some more. Why won't Levy consider the consequences of too much fish stock?

@SocialistNerd

8 ай бұрын

He stocks it so much I start singing “LEEEEEEEEE, la, la, la, la LEEEEEEEEEE

Lc0's strength is that it's so much different than the rest, I believe this is the only MCTS-based boot-strapping eval top chess bot (not sure what's under the hood of Torch though). As an MCTS-based bot it sometimes brainfarts, which prevents it from overtaking Stockfish, but it can also lead to insane wins like this.

@markrobertson3054

7 ай бұрын

Its not insane Stockfish also won with black

@pekkapaco5333

7 ай бұрын

​@@markrobertson3054 I think he's saying the way Lc0 won was insane, not just winning with black. Did Stockfish also win by trapping a piece?

@markrobertson3054

7 ай бұрын

@@pekkapaco5333 idk didnt watch

@whenthingsfly4283

7 ай бұрын

​@@markrobertson3054stockfish didn't win with the reverse colours playing the same opening btw.

@markrobertson3054

7 ай бұрын

@@whenthingsfly4283 it won. It lost with white, then leela lost with white with same oppening

It would be fun to se the leela valuation side by side the stockfish elo

@johndododoe1411

8 ай бұрын

I think you mistyped a few letters in both occurrences of the word evaluation .

Leela playfully toying with stockfish feels like the beginning of an AI takeover movie

@Frikgeek

8 ай бұрын

Stockfish is still leading the championship by a decent margin. Despite this impressive win Leela is still in 2nd place.

@douglaslindsay2911

8 ай бұрын

​@@Frikgeek1st the worst, 2nd the best. We don't know whether Leela prefers style over wins.

@jootpepet

8 ай бұрын

@@Frikgeek you completely missed my point

@utsavanand7568

8 ай бұрын

What about alpha zero ? What happened to it?

@markrobertson3054

7 ай бұрын

@@utsavanand7568update yourself

Leela gains a lil bit of sentience everytime it trolls stockfish 💀

Levy is not pregnant but never fails to deliver

@gilly_the_fish

8 ай бұрын

We don't know that first one for a fact

@maciejpieskasta493

8 ай бұрын

Hahahah great one

@richardgurney1844

8 ай бұрын

Never heard that joke before... :/

@gilly_the_fish

8 ай бұрын

@@richardgurney1844 that wasn't supposed to be a joke at the expense of trans people, though I see how it could be interpreted that way

@JonathanScarlet

8 ай бұрын

@@gilly_the_fish The moment male-to-female trans people can actually get pregnant and give birth on their own like actual women can is the day you can worry about that. Since that day is not today, you're fine.

I love how the eval stockfish understands that this stockfish blundered

I loved it when stockfish said its speaking time and spoke for itself

l used to get absolutely demolished by 1200 elo bot . lt has become a week of watching your videos and l finally beat 1200 and 1500 elo bots after learning chess from your videos . Really really helpful . lt boosted my confidence and l am still learning . Just wanted to thank you ! l know this comment isn't related to video but l am feeling real good .

@TheRealStewpid

8 ай бұрын

Congratulations 👏

@notDiXB

8 ай бұрын

Fr.... He helped me beat a 1600 elo one 😂

@ManjunathKNmannu

8 ай бұрын

Learn positional chess.. most chess engine can't beat positional play. Only 2000+ bot can beat positionally.

@michaelbicycle5551

8 ай бұрын

👊👊👊

@pizzaforever69

8 ай бұрын

@@notDiXB my friend , keep it up !!!

I love how levy is finally getting more sane again now lol, the receding hair is growing back, wearing hoodies and not just grey shirt every video. Lol.

@Six_slotted

8 ай бұрын

what did i miss an insanity arc?

Stockfish fishing in a defeat? Rare.

If there is no way to get out the rook without loosing the game, I would say that is the longest blunder in history

"wearing white frames" thank you Levy for wearing glasses to protect us from your deadly eyesight

As a Fischer man i love to catch stockfish vids

@KetamineUser69

8 ай бұрын

As bobby Fischer, I agree

"stockfish made history" they MADE history? damn. that makes total sense.

Stockfish: Rb3 Lc0: 💀

Levy trying to explain 3600+ computer moves to a million 1500’s 😂.

I swear, Levy is gonna be rich with the watch time he gets from real ones like us that stay until the end

@Jay-08.

8 ай бұрын

all of our poor lives wasted for a few cents on already rich levy

Leela in the endgame is me low on time, just clearing the board so I can get the safest checkmate for me

Gotham: What good TV show is 5 minutes long? Me: Thomas the Tank Engine (The First 5 Seasons)

Levy: What good TV Show is 5 minutes long? Me: Peppa Pig

I wish Levy would take us on a deeper dive about bot depths and horizons and such. It's ambiguous to just say "Stockfish". We need the depth as well - or what kind of time constraints are placed on the bots. Similar to humans, I think what would determine "The Best Bot" is how efficient they are at the calculations within a time control. If the bots get a month per move to calculate and explore deeper into the horizon, I suspect a ridiculous amount of games would end in a draw and there's no way Stockfish would've played Rb3.

@murodjon256

8 ай бұрын

i think it was speed chess like 15+10 rapid

@ryanhanson3365

8 ай бұрын

Thanks@@murodjon256

This is why I love engine chess because the creativity (ke2) is unmatched. Edit: 3 queen sacs...

Thanks for continual amazing videos! Your content is amazing! Keep up the good work!

In Chessify's powerful cloud engine, it already has the eval of -3.6 while in Levy is still at -0.2

keep up the insane content levy. love it!

Imagine if Levy was in Harry Potter (chess scene) Sacrifice the ROOOOOOOOKKK!!!

stockfish even played 3 moves with the already trapped bishop

That bit of advice starting at 3:53 was definitely something i needed to hear. Will certainly take that into consideration and try putting it into practice in the future.

That was a genuinely fascinating video. Thanks Goffam!

I wish the best for Levy, I want to see him becoming a Grandmaster

I really like the breakdown of complicated material, excellent work! But you do more than just that. You demonstrate the irony and nuances that most people and I would miss.

as an Italian, i can confirm that Rassolimo sounds like a type of pasta

Damn imagine how good computers will be if our hardware gets better and we get those quantum computers and shit. Like, they'll probably invent concepts that we wont be able to grasp for years. Possibly, they would even break unbreakable openings like Ruy Lopez and stuff

I remember lela defeated stock fish about an year ago in "chess 960" with the white piece's in the same manner, maybe this is the way to defeat stockfish 🤔🤔

8:12 Namita Thapad's I'm Out Reference 😂😂

"you're probably eating right now." Caught red handed

The stare was really good

17:35 the domino that is going to pry apart the white position completely Me: “LEELA SACRIFICED…THE ROOOO…” Levy: a pawn move Me: oh….

SF queen was also trapped by alpha zero. It seems the fish has the world record in getting irs pieces trapped

@adamwu4565

8 ай бұрын

It is only AlphaZero, Leela, and the newer beta versions of Stockfish with an upgraded NNUE that can do that to Stockfish. And Stockfish has done it itself to other engines too, ever since it got the NNUE module. Even a couple of times to Leela.

I think Lela had a solid position and randomly stumbled into a win due to horizon effect so many moves down the road

Levy is never pregnant but always delivers

He poses the greatest philosophical question of our generation and I literally died when the tea cup came out 9:40 AND THEN HE CALLS ME OUT WHILE I'M EATING 11:53

@Amythir

8 ай бұрын

I was literally taking a bite of a taco when he said "Maybe you're eating a meal"

Computer evaluation drops to -0.5 The computer: it's hopeless

The real story was how Leela trapped Stockfish's rook. That was elegant. It was like Leela had the rook in a bell jar once that pawn dropped into position. Stockfish was down a rook after that for the entire game.

That Rook got stock between 4 pawns for way longer time than my step sis getting stuck under-

@tmpqtyutmpqty4733

8 ай бұрын

I see you are doing a little en passant together

Imagine being surprised that the best chess engine made chess history.

@meilleurefr3356

8 ай бұрын

Tbf it made history by losing

@terrarossa879

8 ай бұрын

npc

This was one of the most enjoyable videos I've seen in a long time. And I'm just an amateur, but dude, you're a great entertainer

I love how you personified the eval bar

Truly one is the videos in chess KZread history! So blessed!

Stockfish proves he is god

"the king is rock solid" - Levy, 2023

Very polished video, I appreciate it! thx

Levi never fails to make me shart 😭

@icarusflying1814

8 ай бұрын

Like stepping into a shart tank

@vinesthemonkey

8 ай бұрын

💨💩

@bodacioushamster4526

8 ай бұрын

@@vinesthemonkey yeah basically

Levy now: Uploads 'STOCKFISH JUST MADE HISTORY!!!!!' Levy 3 months from now when everyone forgot about this "history": Uploads "Whatever the next broken bot is MAKE HISTORY!!!!" And the cycle goes on, Levy playing the content recycling gambit...I approve

@jonass_-yd3ww

8 ай бұрын

No, he will then still claim, that Stockfish made history again, even if Stockfish didn't even participated in the game. I mean, I understand why this is such an important loss, but Stockfish didn't make the history. Lc0 did and Gotham is literally just taking away credits to the developer team of Lc0, which is not approvable✌🏻

Not me eating food while on a work break😂 straight up got called out

Leela truly making their dad proud

I was surprised when Levy said 'the very natural rook to B3'. Then I figured that if Stockfish played it and Levy said it was natural then it must indeed be natural. But that move did seem fishy (Stockfishy?). I did feel that it was a weird rook lift.

@cookbook9460

8 ай бұрын

Seriously every time he does a move that is "clear" or "obvious"

The history! The history is real!! 🥶🥶🥶🖊️🖊️🖊️

The way levy teaches us and the amount of effort is truly commendable

Great content, sir. Worth watching from beginning to end.

Levy putting stockfish inside of us while playing the recycle content gambit

@jacobnunya808

8 ай бұрын

This is shameful. Take this down. You deserve one million downvotes.

@user404-notfound

8 ай бұрын

​@@jacobnunya808umm actually in YT there is dislikes not downvotes🤓☝️

@pandahubg6701

8 ай бұрын

@jacobnunya808 are you playing thr sarcasm gambit?

*_Do you think Levy invented Stockfish as a way to grow his channel?🤣🤣🤣_*

"You watch me with a meal" - me just cooking "he knows"

Whenever stockfish is featured in a video I can’t help but always think about how the eval bar is just stockfish telling us that stockfish is winning because stockfish thinks that stockfish made all the best moves because stockfish is in fact stockfish.

Lol😂, like literally this guy is saying Physics is of no use and using Metamorphosis in Background, listen bro I do agree fitness is important but Physics is important as well and Imo Physics>Humanity These kids nowadays learn Physics from these types of terrific shorts 🤡

@dontseethechannelart9292

8 ай бұрын

Indeed, I concur with the substance of your commentary; however, could you elucidate its relevance to the present video content?

@dontseethechannelart9292

8 ай бұрын

Perchance, you found yourself perusing a KZread short inadvertently, subsequently stumbling upon the comment section of this chess-oriented video.

@Shickelgruber

8 ай бұрын

@@dontseethechannelart9292 Oh sorry, I actually watched half of this video and then started scrolling in the comments and then accidently clicked on a short and started watching, it could be a misclick or perhaps a click. Btw there were some words in your comment which I didn't understand, kindly use simple words, I no don't use some words, keep commenting in complex vocab so that people can learn from it too. I am an English learner.

@dontseethechannelart9292

8 ай бұрын

​@@ShickelgruberSorry lol I am also learning English and presently I am practicing my Vocab lol.

@dontseethechannelart9292

8 ай бұрын

@@Shickelgruber You seem Indian, I am Indian too, how do you learn English?

No offense, but how did Stockfish made history by LOSING?! Give Lc0 the credits it deserves. Lc0 made the history, since it beat Stockfish for the first time since 2 years with the black pieces, but not Stockfish. This video title is at least unfair towards the Lc0-developers and is just a desperate attempt to clickbait. Seriously, you gotta stop that

Had to watch this two times, fantastic video, thx Levy!

Stockfish is me when I block one of my pieces from developing assuming I'll eventually get around to it and then lose

"That was wildly stereotypical of me.", and... now you're cancelled. 😂

We need a double eval bar on these games to see the differences between them

This stare is so robust and sincere and is definitely a mix-up from what you usually do. 11/10 for originality

Leela makes multiple queens because pawn moves reset 50 move counter. Leela optimalises for 50 move rule and not for the fastest mate.

Bruuh stockfish playing the boncloud is crazy

If you make toenail cheesecake, don't eat it. It is way more sour than salty, despite what you think.

i’m convinced that Leela is the best computer at finding piece traps

Move 23 happens Leela: LOL, you blundered mate

legends say Levy Rozmann's forehead is so big Hikaru Nakamura and Magnus Carlsen can approximately play 1.3 classical forms of chess on it.

"You may be asking yourself" I swear, Gotham must be putting up Pixies on repeat.

Watching stockfish get smooshed is satisfying to me.

fish stocks are going down after this game.