Pulling off these techniques in a bjj scenario where instead of forward and back pressure, both are trying to go to the ground, is quite a feat. Shows good understanding of the techniques. So, kudos!

@ektran4205

3 ай бұрын

aikido judo and jujitsu came from the same martial art

@hugom2418

3 ай бұрын

@@ektran4205 Yes? They’re all grappling and have origins with classical jujutsu and sumo, that being said how they are used and applied are different. Sumo for example is very much all about getting the opponent out the ring or touch the floor with something other than the soles of their feet, so it’s a lot of constant pushing and pulling. In this scenario you actually see a lot of aikido principles and similar techniques be practically applied. Judo and BJJ are a bit more complex since there is aspects of a ground game which was not a thing for the others so the way they are played is different (more so BJJ) because you can’t just constantly push/pull someone or have them fall to their knees or automatically win. Since the dynamic is different, applied something meant for a different scenario is far harder

@ektran4205

3 ай бұрын

@@hugom2418 the 3 styles came from samurai and ninja taijutsu, ueshiba created aikido and kano created judo, checkout some Shinden Fudo-ryū jujutsu videos

@TheOneSymphony

Ай бұрын

Finally I've found either real martial artists or very educated people on KZread. Ppl try to say aikido has no practical applications but it shows it does somewhat. Of course not everything is going to work but wouldnt that be with any art?

@hugom2418

Ай бұрын

​@@TheOneSymphony You're too kind! Yeah you're right, there is of course practical applications to any martial arts, the problem is people trying to use one size fits all answers to things instead of thinking of their contextual usage. For example, if you want to see aikido used perfectly in action, look at sumo! Sumo is one of the oldest and core japanese martial arts and ancestor for many others (especially the grappling arts like judo and by extension, bjj). No one would ever say sumo is unpractical, and yet in sumo you see an application of aikido techniques. Search up "Sumo and Daito ryu techniques" and you can see this in practice. It's all about the context, and furthermore, Aikido is historically trained as a final art to achieve mastery, as in, once you're experienced in other hard grappling arts is when you can start learning and truly apply aikido. Starting aikido first without any prior background is where many fall short.

That is why you learn MMA before you learn aikido. You don't just force techniques. You apply them when the opportunity presents itself. It is the same in all martial arts.

@stoopidhaters

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. Even for Muay Thai. Don't stand tall and float your lead leg in a street fight, because your opponent probably doesn't even know Leg Kicks and would probably resort to a Football Tackle.

@joshibrahim1537

3 ай бұрын

Be like water haha

@blop-a-blop9419

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. First learn to hit and block, (and also purely TAKE hits,) then learn to deviate and grapple.

@budisutanto5987

2 ай бұрын

It's called counter strike. Attack base on opponent position, reaction, behavior, whatever. But there's a potential danger if you practice this, the teachers would send athletes(their students) to spar with you. Be like water is you follow opponent energy direction, not fight using opposite direction. The danger is not many people could imagine it, when you answer their question. They need to see it happen in a sparring(in a fight), even then they can't believe what they saw, a retreat person suddenly wins or man handled pulled foward - no resistance, suddenly wins.

@TheOneSymphony

Ай бұрын

So glad I found this discussion. You guys show a lot of intelligence on this subject and it's a breath of fresh air

The best Aikido practitioners I have ever know, were Judo black belts.

@ryansmith9138

21 сағат бұрын

It's a shame that IJF judo doesn't allow standing submissions or wrist locks

"I tried something...and he went to the ground" lol classic

O'Sensei said that, in a practical situation, "atemi is 90% of Aikido". The ability to place a powerful and accurate strike to stun, distract, or unbalance your attacker, is a prerequisite for all true Aikidoka.

The potential in aikido is there.

I hit that kotogaeshi one A LOT in no gi, it just takes a lot of setup and u have to do it while you're still dry lol. Get a russian tie(2 on 1) and prep the grip on your hand closest to their hand. And then when they try to extract their arm from the 2 on 1 get the grip with both hands and send it. People usually just tap, but I've hit the actual throw a couple times

@patrickrichard5948

3 ай бұрын

Got a video where you do it? Would love to see it!

@andrewd6438

3 ай бұрын

@patrickrichard5948 kzread.info/dash/bejne/fXdsmaZ8iNuYo5c.htmlsi=58W-AdWrkXRyy2q4 The guy I hit this on is one the better purple belts at my gym that I'm good friends wit,

@andrewd6438

3 ай бұрын

@@patrickrichard5948 it's on my channel now, but every time I try to link it here my comment gets deleted lol

@andrewd6438

3 ай бұрын

@patrickrichard5948 it's on my channel btw, everytime I post a link here it gets deleted

Well some would say that in a fight the goal is to put the other guy on the ground. So I would say you did very well.

I really love it that you are still trying to prove that aikido can be used outside of practice. As a martial artist, I truly want to see you make aikido shine the way it used to

@lawmain2864

2 ай бұрын

It never shined

@rukkedruen5110

20 күн бұрын

​@@lawmain2864tell this to the founder of Yudo, and the Best sumo in modern history, first see and says it's amazing, second don't think work, and be beated by the little founder of aikido, then learn..

@rukkedruen5110

20 күн бұрын

I use in mma, i know many more martial arts ando box till the 5years but aikido work even vs national/world champs, i use even in box, i'm southpaw but use aikido foot position SO many times and abuse the irimi

Quit trying to make aikido work in sports..I used aikido a couple of times when I did security and it was effective

@moneymagnetismnetwork

3 ай бұрын

Same here, in many different situations. People who keep saying "Aikido doesn't work", simply don't understand

@blop-a-blop9419

3 ай бұрын

Yes and No : - Yes aikido is definitely suited for a situation where the user is simply a better fighter than the opponent - No, pressure testing it in sports is not "useless", since it helps give proper context to what works and when.

@chrisortiz8077

2 ай бұрын

Translation, you pulled it off against someone who can't fight, who was likely unprepared and not totally committed to hurting you. The great thing about effective grappling arts (wrestling, judo, bjj ect) is that the opponent doesn't have to be drunk and confused for it to work.

@bobbyjackson7325

2 ай бұрын

Exactly, aikido is more of deescalation or pre fight martial art. He's trying to use it for an actual fight. That's equivalent in basketball trying to shoot free throws from half court.

@rukkedruen5110

20 күн бұрын

​@@chrisortiz8077i use aikido so many times in sparrings, vs even pro or national/world champs, yes i know more and for more time, box from the 5, but even in box you can use irimi, the triangle position to not get tired or move when rival push you in clinch etc, in mma its much better, even in the ground yo can easily ikyo or nikyo someone for example, my mma stand position its a twist between aikido and silat, in box i use southpaw but footwork of aikido and work, but i love to swaap to peek a boo, the change get rival confused and D'amato style only need one moment

That last one looks a lot like tai-otoshi (a judo throw)

@sinethembangundana8071

3 ай бұрын

Yes

@RoelSiradj

2 ай бұрын

Basically, many Judo throws look similar with Aikido's Kokyu Nage, for example Kuki Nage.

@JJ-zr6fu

Ай бұрын

Yeah basically everytime he tried to make a technic functional it falls into common technics of different disciplines and looks nothing like akido

What people don’t seem to understand is that Aikdo isn’t an art where you shake hands then the get into a sparring position to grapple. It’s for when people are coming at you full force with an attack. Hence the Seagal clips in the video where people are doing just that. The more energy in the attack, the better Aikdo works. If you want to stand and spar with an opponent you do BJJ, boxing, Muay Thai, etc. But that’s not to say Aikdo can’t be offensive, especially at higher ranks and years of practice. There also is free form training at least in the better aikido dojos.

@JJ-zr6fu

Ай бұрын

Then you’d see it used all the time in football and rugby. Wrestling would also have some scenarios too.

@rukkedruen5110

20 күн бұрын

​@@JJ-zr6fuyo, i use aikido in football, and people FLY xD it's dangerous, NFL make rules againts if someone begin to use, but you need a GOOD level to use in a hidden way, it's like use Yudo or sumo in the wall xD you can't

@rukkedruen5110

20 күн бұрын

I do box having 5 years and many martial arts later, bjj, muay, tkd, silat, then go to the best aikido dojo in México, thinking it's weird and maybe false, i end being toyed xD i never lost early, even vs more heavier adults, youre correct, later, in my 26 i go to bonebreakers, best mma gyn in my country and i can use so many times aikido vs national/world champs of amateur and pro, muay, bjj, mma, even in box you can use irimi and deflect punch or not being move or be tired when rival try to push you using the aikido position etc

@hortinus

4 күн бұрын

Seagal is a fraud 😂

@blanktrigger8863

3 күн бұрын

As much as I dislike Aikido, this is one glaring flaw I always notice with folks who spar with MMA guys or whatever as evidence that it doesn't work: Aikido is about using your opponent's momentum against them, so it's not designed to work against deliberation and moderation in action. Though I doubt it's effectiveness against street dudes who throw wild haymakers and bum rush, I've yet to see anyone test it that way.

Im not a fan of Aikido, but i enjoy watching your journey. Everything can be effective with enough real situation practice. Keep it up.

Maybe those techniques are not intended for sparring situations, but at least in movies against random guys.

The reason you had trouble trying to apply aikido is because aikido will simply not work against a fully resistant opponent.

Timing is everything.

Time to watch the video of you doing this against a striker

Wow, aikido doesn’t work against bjj. Well, football doesn’t work against tennis. Why aren’t you using atemi btw?

Aikido is to grab and keep your opponent off balanced in fighting form. Kotegashi how I heard it explained that it does not always work well when your enemy tries to punch, more so when your enemy has a sharp object like a knife or blade. Enemy charging you with a knife since the direction of the enemy is charging you. You use the enemies engergy against them.

Goat Rokas

love your videos man, can we get an update on the ultimate self defense championship?

I think this would be a great example against stand-up or boxers because they may not have the instinct to go to the ground. Look at football players who take-down a huge and fast running back with a swipe of the angels even when blocked by four guys.

Ha! Look at that. See the techniques “can” work live. You just need to practice them in a training environment that is live. And just realize that they don’t come out as clean as the normal sterile version. Love it

Combine judo with aikido and watch the magic happen. 😊

Remember guys most of the cqc techniques only i mean "ONLY" when there is surprise if opponents are not ready to fight but they have to fight then only it works Orelse most of the time it won't

Skidoo is basically a sport where you have to throw yourself. It won’t work on anyone that doesn’t do akido 😂

Why don’t you go and train with that little Japanese aikido master?

the last technique where Seagal threw the guy over the table is not really kokyunage. It's kaitenage

@HarryDirtay

Күн бұрын

It's a movie. They were stuntmen being abused by a piece of shit manchild😂

Blue belt bullying white belt 😅

Don’t go muscle vs. muscle. Use structure vs. muscle

I remembere biting my aikido teacher's hand one time

Well done ✅👍🏽

@Jorgaiki

3 ай бұрын

Dude Iam still in a pleasant shock :D :)* great video

The Aikido techniques pop up naturally inna combat or they don't work. The last thing you wanna do is to decide which techniques you are going to apply in a combat.

Rokua. Isnt that the aikido hold i was telling you to try. Sorry i dont know the japanese name for it. Its like a standing americana or Kimura. I feel its one of the strongest aikido holds. Is that what you used?

@colinmorgan2660

3 ай бұрын

Ude kimi nage

@educatedcanadian7408

3 ай бұрын

@@colinmorgan2660 thank you

Try Tamiki… it would be interesting.

In Self Defense it is very unlikely that anyone would sit down or to pull guard.

@eduardogutierrez8839

3 ай бұрын

Unless your street fighting a BJJ practitioner

@JJ-zr6fu

Ай бұрын

It’s also very uncommon they would let you set up a move like he was doing

Not what you expected, but good results nevertheless.

Aikido is throwing people to the ground. You can’t throw a person to the ground if they are already on the ground.

He really should just find a Tenshin Gakuen Bugei school to train in if he is so obsessed with learning Seagal sensei's art of fighting. He won't find it in aikikai aikido, mma combat sport or BJJ. It's kinda sad watching this young guy stumble in the dark, chasing teachers of various combat sports, hoping their teachings will help him fight like his hero Seagal sensei. But he never looks for a Tenshin Gakuen Bugei school or teacher affiliated with Seagal sensei. There's a few in USA, one in Dubai and one in Iran that I know of.

I mean, even a broke clock it right 2 times a day

Just had to feel that weird passive aggressive BJJ energy, lol.

So like 2?

Thing is irl if you're fighting having a tussle with someone ans they sit on the ground they're SCREWED

People need to do actual research on aikido. It was designed to disarm people. Not actually fight.

At least if you had tried to defend against the same attacks he was it would be more honest ....

If your opponent needs to pull guard, then that means the technique worked...

Aikido really does have some potential, but there has to be a solid mma base already there imo. Also I heavily dislike the way Steven Seagal portrays his aikido

Ask cops what they like. It’s not competition it’s being attacked. BJJ is awesome, but to say that all Aikido is useless all the time is just ignorant.

@rudy2fly

21 күн бұрын

i’d say it works against civilians

@Jamoni1

16 күн бұрын

All the cops I know train BJJ.

Dan the Wolfman made it work

The thing is Aikido was meant to fight when you lost your sword and are fighting someone who still has their sword making it work hand to hand doesn't seem possible.

@JJ-zr6fu

Ай бұрын

It was invented way after swords were not the standard weapon in combat

@peterlesperance3446

Ай бұрын

@@JJ-zr6fu Katanas were mainly used by the samurai, the military nobility of feudal Japan (1185-1600) up through the Edo period (1603-1868). Aikido's founder, Morihei Ueshiba, was born in Japan on December 14, 1883. Your wrong.

Sorry but you haven't used the same technique shown by Steven Segal, you have just done two judo takedowns which were completely different from the video of Steven Segal, especially in the first one where you have used your leg to make your hip throw, like in Judo

@JJ-zr6fu

Ай бұрын

Yep everytime akido is used in practice it quickly becomes judo or bjj

That's not real sparring. You just doing drills.

It works well against Kelly Le Brock, Segal battered her for years with these techniques.

@danielromerosol4158

3 ай бұрын

😢

Wet paper bag bs Steven Seagall. Wet paper bag wins because it’s a real thing.

I used aikido but ny itself your gonna die lol but mix it it works

Aikido is not for offense. It's suited best for defense I learn aikido for few years and it's perfect to fend off a drunkards or inexperienced opponent without sending them to hospital. For those who work aa bouncer you might try to learn aikido But ain't no way it's gonna work on MMA

Again with all these clips you try to say this technic worked but it looked nothing like the demonstration and someone who is athletic could’ve done what you actually did on instinct.

You need to apply the technique with proper setup as with anything. Remember, " locks without shock, dont work". ( in most cases). I have successfully used locks against BJJ people after Atemi and or set up.

Aikido is just really bad judo golly you know its rough when a guy with a decade of experience in aikido as well as a few years of BJJ and MMA still struggles to pull it off a few white belts

So stupid you can trying to Wrestle each other then say Aikido don't work ridiculous everything he's doing is bbf from starting position

😮❤

Should have learned boxing and jiujitsu, the two most relevant arts for practicality. Greco Roman wrestling would be on the list too, especially when your sparring looks like it did in your video.

@JJ-zr6fu

Ай бұрын

I’d argue kick boxing over boxing because while the punches aren’t as refined the kicks give you better distance

Aikido is useless against BJJ...the BJJ practicioners go to the ground voluntarily without having to apply any technique :D

Well, BJJ players love to go to the ground anyway

Combine Judo and Aikido. Choose Kyokushin Karate, Muay Thai or kickboxing as your basic. Now you're ready to kill by accident

@ektran4205

3 ай бұрын

kickboxing is a combo of karate and boxing

He made it work

Steven seagal should be in WWE 😅

@chimera916

2 ай бұрын

No, he should be in mental asylum

I think the major issue and problem with is video and method is 'You don't just force techniques' and grappling and standing still is not how a lot of the technique work and here is your extension. This is too fun watching and the whole session is bad and Aikido is not a fighting. You need to work a bit more and all aspect of Aikido training and you do not look for a fight plus your gym testing was bad because your stance and distance is not Aikido. What about being attack by a weapon/pool table stick, BLENDING with the flight of the stick, air cartwheeling the attacker while both of us are holding stick, and walk away leaving him wondering. Your need more training not stage a scene and learning to flow with the attack.

Seagal uses SFS not Aikido in the movies. Too much impact. You lack of strength and have weaker impacts. It's not about the technique. It's about how much power you gonna put in the technique. How fast you gonna perform the technique. If you are fast enough oponent will most likely not have the time to react.

@kenirawadi4689

3 ай бұрын

Seagal learnt real Aikido. We can see from his movies, those are no BS Aikido.

@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812

3 ай бұрын

​​@@kenirawadi4689segal does know and mainly uses aikido in movies yes. but he also does legitimately know traditional jujitsu. which is very much related to aikido/judo. watch his episode with Jesse and his brother, everything he demonstrates/explains to them is jujitsu, and very legit teaching at the least, he's old and in bad shape now so this isn't a conversation about what he can or can't do, but what he knows and demonstrates are legit techniques.

@CaPnBaLlBaG

3 ай бұрын

He’s rolling with white belts who he’s not trying to injure. Ripping wrist locks against white belts is pretty poor taste.

@kenirawadi4689

3 ай бұрын

@@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 I agree. His technique is legit. Of course in movies they made them looked more artistic. But almost all matrial arts movies have to prioritize the look over efficiency.

@kenirawadi4689

3 ай бұрын

@@CaPnBaLlBaG Rokas did not have good Aikido teachers. It seems many traditional MA clubs, even the masters have no idea what should they do in real fight especially when fighting ppl outside their dicipline. It is important to be aware but not to disrespect them. I learn from those masters their tecnique and I fill the gaps from somewhere else.

You are way better at Ikido that segal

Looking forward to all the couch warriors in these comments, Great video Rokas! "That's not what Segal would do he would throw them through the roof with his sheer power and mastery of Akido! 🤡" 😂

You can get kubi nage out of that one. But seagle never use that on movies

Aikido is largely bs, but try this on actual MMA fighters or wrestlers, not some goofball guard pulling white belt

Eh, to me those are more like very bad Judo moves you pulled off, but that's just my opinion as both a Judo and Jiu Jitsu practioner. 😅

I guess you are not good enuf to execute the aikido techniques. Keep on practicing.

It doesn't seem true to me that you even make videos in which you so serenely reveal your ignorance... Now, without even wanting to defend Seagal, are there perhaps techniques in the world that work against a sparring who is already aware of the technique you would like to perform ? Be kind, take off the hakama and wear the beginner's belt, as you still have a lot to learn about Aikido. 😒

Lack of judgment and knowledge of Martial arts, first, when you apply a technique on the street your opponent does not know what technique you are going to apply, therefore surprise is a resource as well, second, most of the time your opponents do not know self-defense or knowledge of martial arts is null, third, a Self-Defense connoisseur will know when to apply their knowledge and skills, so there are many factors that can help you and be useful when using them.