The heavy bolter wielding Sternguard also has a studded leg armor piece. Was the perfect opportunity to go through my horus heresy box and give him one of the many beakie helmets I have lying around.

@AlunDowdeswell

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrinSK the absolute worst, they look so cringey

@OGXenos

Жыл бұрын

I understand the beak helmet love but I can't lie, the Primaris is actually my favorite. The beak looked kinda weird, and the firstborn style looks like a Darth Vader ripoff. Primaris helmets have a sleek unique look to them.

@DJRaffa1000

Жыл бұрын

@@OGXenos i also really like the primaris helm. Its reminicent of the Mark 4 helm but more refined. But sternguard are Kind of relic collectors so for me its good with more random "old stuff" on them ^^

@SADmemer.

10 ай бұрын

I don’t really love primaris helmets, love me some mark 7-8 tho

@Purifactor

10 ай бұрын

they dont though.. the look like mk4 maximus armuur@@OGXenos

Devastating wounds makes them a real terror right now.

@dantejrl

Жыл бұрын

anything lol. DW is only on 6+ on wounds roll ==> maths says "if no reroll wounds, it's not op"

@Haven_games

Жыл бұрын

@@dantejrl I think Anti-infantry+4 means DW happens on 4+ for combi weapons

@Ottakazi

Жыл бұрын

​@dantejrl the spice is to get the Enhancement where you can oath of moment 2 targets every turn 🤌

I'm definitely going to be using my old squad of them, but definitely going to nab the new ones once there's a box of them on the store. Who knows might even mix the Primaris and Firstborn in units just because that'll actually look kinda cool.

@richarddixon1450

Жыл бұрын

I was saying this about the terminators aswell. How many novels have we read where there's a huge space marine heads taller than others (Uriel Ventris has Posanius I probably butchered his name like lol. But he wears half terminator half power armour plate coz he's so big lol)

@riven5677

Жыл бұрын

@@richarddixon1450kinda scared if he becomes primaris

@TheAHuman

Жыл бұрын

@@riven5677him? What about Tyberos?

@riven5677

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAHuman I’m terrified if tyberos becomes primaris

@fleetleader1013

Жыл бұрын

Yep!

9 Stern + Tigurius + drop pod = brutality It's not as nasty as it was when I ran this combo back in 7th, but it's still very lethal.

As an Imperial Guard and Tyranid player, I already found bolters very scary.

@KneeCapHill

9 ай бұрын

Are bolters scary to nids?

@Peter_Wendt

9 ай бұрын

@@KneeCapHill If it weren't for the move-shoot-move trick I would never field Termagants against Space Marines. The carnage from bolter fire is just appalling.

My first roll with them gave me 7 mortal wounds against Rubrics. Love the combi-weapon profile.

I've been using a 10 man bolter squad with Pedro Kantor and it's such a fun unit. It also makes me so happy that they finally hit on 2s with their bolters (heavy). Always bugged me that the chapter's finest marksman didn't have the best BS and now they do (sort of)

Right after 10th edition data cards were revealed, I knew where I'd spend my 5 intercessors still in their sprues (I used some to make primaris scale devastators already). I "borrowed" heavy bolt rifles from heavy intercessors, helmets from blade guard veterans and 1 heavy bolter from devastators and made 5 sternguard veterans to ride in impulsor with Tigurius. They don't have tabards or cloaks, but for bolt rifle users with veteran colors (like white helmet) they are distinct from normal interceptors. Nice little bodyguard for Tigurius 👌 Afterwards I was glad I built them, since they aren't performing that bad either once games started rolling in.

I kitbashed mine with some intercessor bits to make them all bolt rifles. The bolt rifle profile just seems better anyway but I like it lore wise more anyway, bolters are the space marine weapon so it makes sense grizzled vets would use their trusty old bolters that they have perfected over many years.

They might not make the *most* sense as a bodyguard for Ventris, but since I'm already bringing him to deepstrike a Calgar-bomb of Aggressors that's how I plan on using them.

@Chester2194

Жыл бұрын

I really think Ventris is such a cool character to have in an army. Deep striking an infantry unit of your choosing feels so strong to dump on somebody's backline. I'm curious to hear what the idea is for your "Calgar-bomb".

If they hadnt compacted combi-weapons into a single profile I would think there would be more competition as for what kind of weapon you should take but as of right now theres really no decision to be made.

@Brother_Nihilus

11 ай бұрын

I actually don't understand why they did that I hope they split them back up when they release the codex and hopefully a standalone multi part kit of them.

@KneeCapHill

9 ай бұрын

​​@@Brother_Nihiluswant to understand something even less? They did the same with ppwer weapons on vanguard veterans. Hammers, claws, shields and fists are, by all intents and propose, the same. But dont worry, they still have 6 separate pistol profiles.

@hmmm348

8 ай бұрын

​@@KneeCapHillMy guess is that pistols, they'll keep the same because we mostly see them only on Sgts and HQ choices. Otherwise, it doesn't surprise me about power weapons. They're trying to smooth everything out. I think if their plan is to make all power weapons the same, the least they could do is split them up into 3 general types, like Power Weapon Standard, Fast and Heavy.

brought 10 with azrael in one of my first games, with that increase to firepower and defensive capabilities they were truly terrifying

Good unit. Funny that GW not only removed all those weapon options, they made the decision between the two left a no brainer. Honestly I’m pro simplified weapon options across most infantry squads, but stern guards should of been one of the exceptions. Should of been one of those units where you pay a premium for flexibility.

I won't put "Combi-weapon" on anything I have the chance to take something else on. Very different from the old days, that's for sure. It's not like SM need more light infantry killers.

5 with Tigurius out of an impulsor to firing deck some stuff is sweet. Tigurius can overcharge his psychic attack from the top and let the impulsor take the wounds.

@James-de2hp

Жыл бұрын

Tigurius doesn't have the Tacticus keyword, but I've chosen to ignore this, presuming it's just an oversight.

Thank you for a break through guide into the Sternguard Veteran Squad!

man, imperial fists were crying into their stores of bolter ammunition through 9th, and now here we are some of the nicest general purpose fire is just a bunch of dudes with bolters Emperor bless

@JimH.

Жыл бұрын

Never fear, we're only a month into 10th; GW just hasn't had time to screw over IF yet ;P

Wait hold on. Didnt GW make likea whole article about how primaris and firstborn marines are no longer locked out of riding in each others transports? I hadnt actually read the rhino and impulsor datasheets until now

@ProjectThunderclaw

Жыл бұрын

That article specifically said that there were exceptions

@Tycedi

Жыл бұрын

The article listed the exceptions. Here they are: The Rhino, Razorback, and Impulsor are still specialised for certain squad types, and many larger models like Terminators and Gravis-armoured Space Marines still have their own restrictions.

@little_isalina

Жыл бұрын

@@Tycedi Funny that its the all-purpose APCs that are specialized

I hope we get a Primaris Lieutenant for the sternguard. We’ve been missing out

@twilightwyrm

Жыл бұрын

It's true. What we are lacking more than anything else in the game right now is enough Primaris Lieutenants.

@Harleqyin

Жыл бұрын

Missing out and Space Marines appearing in the same sentence. Wild.

@lNovalandl

Жыл бұрын

@@Harleqyin the only thing we're missing out on is that damm lion, man is impossible to obtain

@twilightwyrm

Жыл бұрын

@@Harleqyin 31 flavors, and you choose salt.

@Canuovea

Жыл бұрын

Malum Caedo. People would buy that.

I have used them in one game so far and sadly haven’t been able to use their ability yet but I love them

@dr.frankenstrein5586

Жыл бұрын

Def beef them up with something that grants sustained hits. I KO'd a bloodthirster and Ka'bandha with them in one turn of shooting, after a deamons player alpha striked my back lines.

I was thinking using them with a captain and lieutenant with bolter discipline. Captain can put them in devastator doctrine for free each turn. So every turn they have sustained and lethal hits on a 5+ and also devastating wounds

From the games I've played so far it feels like the mileage you're going to get from Sternguard will depend quite a bit on the size of games you're playing. At the 500 or 1000 point mark they're terrifyingly efficient at dropping light and medium infantry; able to follow up with a brutal charge if they can't get the kill just from shooting. And in those games their statline is usually enough to let them survive and hold an objective for several turns if needed. Once you get into the 1500 or 2000 point games though they feel like more of a utility unit that has some decent punch, able to push ahead and secure a midfield objective for a turn or two but likely to get shot off the board or outfought in melee. And as stated in the video; it's kind of hard to justify 10 Sternguard + characters VS 10 Hellblasters + characters - Hellblasters with an Apothecary and Lieutenant bring insane damage output to the table even at the higher buy-in cost. That being said, I'm personally looking forward to trying two squads of 5 in my Ultramarines list with Uriel and Tigurius. Tigurius adds that extra durability and Uriel could potentially deep strike them straight into the mid or back field for an easy secondary. Overall I think their biggest strength is their flexibility and we're likely going to see 1-2 units of 5 in a lot of lists unless the codex or upcoming new units change something!

@andykopach4718

Жыл бұрын

I think I’m bigger games you just use them more of a mortal wound nuke on a big monster/tank with oath of moment

I'm looking forward to seeing what the multi part Sternguard kit looks like as not a fan of these monopose figures and wants to use some for my Deathwatch kill team.

still miss the weapon options for the sargeant and heavy weapon guy. The sergeant use to take melee weapon options as well as different pistols, heavy weapon guy had the ability to take an heavy weapon or one special weapon

Love seeing the classic AT green and white breakdown table!

These guys and the infernus marines became my defaults for boarding actions, filled out by the rest

This math was done without cover, right? Because with the new cover rules it feels like we have a bit of an Armor of Contempt situation where AP0 and AP-1 are practically the same a lot of the time.

@thomasroberts1933

Жыл бұрын

Storm of fire strat

@WindlordRyu

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasroberts1933 You can't have Storm of Fire on every unit in your army every turn and if a 5 man Sternguard is what you're running that's practically never gonna be the target. Even with a 10 man they're rarely gonna be the target outside of your Bolter Drill wombo-combo turn.

@CalAndAly

Жыл бұрын

100% agree. And the ability to ignore invuls is why the AoW pros really favor the combis

@spoonsrattling

Жыл бұрын

@@CalAndAly idk, aow also said that admech was a sleeper hit army when they were at a 36% win rate.

@matthewberry3055

Жыл бұрын

Math out 10 of them in Devastator doctrine, using Storm of Fire strat, led by a character with Bolter discipline enhancement, and Pedro Kantor using his Oath of Rynn, vs a target you've tagged with OOM, in rapid fire range. Just using the bolters, that's 40 shots with full re-rolls, and sustained hits (1) on a 5+. You average 13.3 critical hits on the first roll, and re-roll the remaining 26.7 dice for 9 more critical hits (and 5.6 normal hits) for a total of roughly 22 critical hits (44 hits) and 5 normal hits or 49 hits. 49 rolls to wound (full re-rolls) is 8.2 dev wounds, re-rolling the other 41 dice generates a further 7 dev wounds. Assuming T 4, you also deal a further 13 wounds at AP -1. Slightly over 15 devastating wounds, plus 13 saves at AP -1. If the target is dead, you can then immediately repeat the whole thing (without OOM, but with the other buffs still active).

It says something about the 40K universe that it requires special effort to make a bolt rifle scary. Here it would be a tripod mounted anti-tank gun.

I run them with Azrael for sustained hits and extra cp. his dev gun pairs well with them w combi’s

Would love a deep dive on Hellblasters vs Sternguard. Hellblasters are more fun but something tells me if you’re shooting a target with a 4+ invul (ie: terminator squad) the stern guards are more efficient especially given the point cost thanks to mortal wounds.

@francoabad4911

10 ай бұрын

Im running 10 Hellblasters and 10 Sternguards in a Dark Angel army, and i´m loving them

I've been running a squad of ten combi weapons with a captain+bolter drill. This is an utter menace and just removes squads of infantry. (captain puts them into dev doc each turn) The Army is lead by Robo for the double Oath or extra free strat depending on my needs. Yes other units might be more effective, but for the points are an bargain. Mortal wounds spam is just too good.

Combi-gun Lieutenant giving wound rerolls is quite nice for clearing objectives

I am all the way with 5 of these guys and Tiggy. Outstanding elite force!

@MrDMSir

Жыл бұрын

When we get the multibox kit I really want to try them out in a 10 man squad and just YOLO for that double shot.

@megamarkread

Жыл бұрын

I got an extra 5 from a friend who picked up Leviathan for the Nids, and am planning to stick them in a drop pod to ensure that rapid fire goodness!

@andykopach4718

Жыл бұрын

@@MrDMSir in the meantime a pair of black Templar crusaders work great. 6 bodies to make sterngaurd with spare intercessor arms, 4 upscaled scouts which are pretty decent now, and a pair of extra pyreblasters to arm more infernus marines.

@MrDMSir

Жыл бұрын

@@andykopach4718 nice I will tk a look

I would love a quick 1 min video of each unit for space marines . Quick summaries

Auspex regarding the Combi-weapon profile (@ 4:21) I'd recommend taking a look at the weapon profiles at the back of the Leviathan assembly instructions. In the assembly instructions it looks like the the combi-weapon profile changes key words from "anti-infantry" to "anti-vehicle" or "anti-monster" as well as othe key words depending on if you choose the combi-melta or the combi-plasma. I don't know how much the profiles on the back of the instructions are "legal" but you are probably right that the other combi profiles might be added in when the Space Marines main codex comes out

@tinker1945

Жыл бұрын

They probably wont be. That was likely WIP rules GW decided again

@HazardousT1

Жыл бұрын

@@tinker1945 one can only hope because whats the point in taking a combi-melta or plasma if it is going to just act like the combi-flamer profile

@fredbrochu8322

Жыл бұрын

@@tinker1945 Not gonna lie, the different combi weapon build option would make sense to have different anti x ability. Combi plasme would be anti infantry, combi melta would be anti monster/vehicle.

@mali5698

Жыл бұрын

Which weapon attachments corresponded to which anti-ability in the manual?

@HazardousT1

Жыл бұрын

@@mali5698 combi-melta is anti-vehicle. Combi-plasma is anti-monster

The battle brother the chapter serf tells you not to worry about, as a unit. Very cool design

You should do Wolf guard next, they are the space wolves annalog to sternguard, they can all have combi weapons, better melee and moral, they have +1 to hit if they have a character attach to them instead of the bolter drill, and they are cheaper, if find them more flexible, put them in a rhino with a psyker for that 4++ and you have a nice mobile threat

@distortionfiend

Жыл бұрын

So sad they lost jump packs too

@batteredwarrior

Жыл бұрын

*analogue

My main opponent is a Tyranid player, so I'm going with the combi weapons and see how that goes. Despite numbers wise the bolters being better, I feel the combi weapons arn't too bad.

@Peter_Wendt

Жыл бұрын

Nothing quite like having Sternguard shooting down 12 out of 20 Hormagaunts in one round, then charging in with the rest and losing them all in melee combat without causing a single casualty.

@tigirus4656

Жыл бұрын

Honestly I think they will be good. Normal bolters can deal with the chaff, combis can deal with annoying stuff like Tyrant Guard and Zoanthropes.

My plan is a 10 man vanguard Vets with Azrael and an apothecary l,and a 5 man hellblasters in an impulsor with a Primaris librarian. You get fast moving forward plasmas, and the 4++ from azzy makes the vanguards harder to shift. The apothecary compounds that making the other player have to really dedicate resources to make sure they're dead. Then I'm also planning heavy intercessors with a gravis captain. I find myself really liking the H. intercessors. They're very tough.

Why am I getting your videos in my feed as a mix? It's like I watch so much KZread thinks you're my favorite song artist.

They're the current bodyguards for my Captain in my 1K list for now. With his free Stratagem per turn they're always in Devastator Doctrine. Which, as he has Bolter Discipline, means they get the benefit of [Sustained Hits 1] and the Crits for [Dev. Wounds] on a 5+ not a 6+. They're maybe not the 'most optimal' or anything, but it's nice to be able to chuck out that much potentially brutal shooting, especially at 12".

@alexbrewster4126

Жыл бұрын

The crit hit on 5 is.only.for the hit rolls not the wound rolls. It states an unmodified HIT roll of 5+ scores a critical hut roll and wound roll are separate.

If you don't mind paying an arm and a leg, you can convert your own Primaris Sternguard minis until GW releases a multi-part kit. Using the Initiates/Sword Brother bodies from the Black Templars Primaris Crusader squad with the arms, helmets, backpacks, mag pouches, and pauldrons (shoulder pads) from the Primaris Intercessors, and whichever trinkets like reliquaries, prayer books, purity seals, etc. you want. It's what I've done. Ok, mine were originally built as use for 9th ed's Veteran Intercessors.

@Adrien323

Жыл бұрын

This man bashes kits. I think the only BT iconography on the Primaris Crusaders are their shoulder pads and relevant helmets. They also make for much cooler Dark Angel Intercessors.

@anneliseolsen6896

Жыл бұрын

Black Templars bits in the Crusader squad are: pauldrons, helmets, weapons, and backpacks (they've got some rivets in them). And the trinket accessories on the sprues.

I've played two games with them thus far. My best result was running a naked squad of 5 along side a bladeguard vetran squad +Judiciar. Pile all 9 of those models into a Drop Pod and push it into the Enemy's back lines to threaten their homebase objective. The Sternguard come out shooting, and the bladeguard run a screening role with their Fight's First ability from the Judiciar. had a real good time. Def use the Stern-bolt rifles.

Wooo new use for Pedro kantor!!!

First thing I did after I'd built most of my double-whammy of Leviathan (traded my Tyranids for a second set of the Marines) was to break out spares from an Intercessor kit and convert all the Sternguard to Bolt Rifles. The combi-weapon profiles just don't excite me at all. Especially when they're modelled as melta or flamers. My other takeaway is I'm not sure a Lieutenant is the best option as a Bolter Discipline carrier. Lethal Hits and Devastating Wounds is a bit of a nonbo and I feel like Devastating Wounds punches up a bit better. Maybe either go cheap with an Apothecary or get the free stratagems with a captain. If you don't need a captain elsewhere anywhere.

I haven’t tried them yet. I took them out of my Oghram game to even out the points difference between the marines and tyranids. In my game for this week I am swapping them out for aggressors since the apothecary biologis can attach to them.

Curious point on WYSIWYG regarding Combi Weapons' consolidated stats, what exactly does a "Combi Weapon" actually look like now and does GW actually sell them? Surely common sense says "don't worry about it for now" but, Rules As Written, am I right in thinking that this unit isn't strictly tournament legal? I'm sure there is precedent for this but I'm asking as a noob 😊

The number of times I am gonna fuck something up because I want to save a "weak" target for them is gonna be greater than one, I can tell you. Greed is good!

I am going to run a 10-man squad with two heavy bolters and the rest bolt rifles led by a Primaris Lieutenant with Bolter Discipline. They pump out a lot of wounds every turn.

Nice to see some good shooting and melee in a squad of infantry that isn't breaking the points bank. Death to the false emperor!!

Lieutenant, apothicary and bolter discipline in a 10 hellblaster squad. You get auto-wound +1 hit on 5+ in dev doctrine, you shoot when you die and revive 25pts models, you get an extra CP if they all die and can always fall back shoot and charge. Anyone tried?

I havew been planning on Intercessors with the grenade launcher and fist, but if I have points left over upgrading to Sternguard for the same purposes. Usually just one or two 5-man units.

@arturoeduardoescartinrojas5762

Жыл бұрын

Stern guard aré always the better choice in my opinion

@horonin

Жыл бұрын

@@arturoeduardoescartinrojas5762 I tend to agree, but list building with all fixed points costs has been a struggle. The extra 10 points has mattered in a couple lists from being spot on 200, or like 15 points under. I do like the one unit of Intercessors for Sticky Objectives too.

Probably on-trend, I like a unit of 5. Good little toolkit unit

A little cheeky combo that doesn't use a cp 10 sternguard with 2 heavy bolters, apothecary with bolter discipline enhancement lead by Sicarius in a repulsor. Scout move your repulsor up the board if you get turn 1, then move your boat 10. Pop out, smoke whatever your oath target is. Then if your opponent moves within 9", free movement from sicarius back into the boat. Wash rinse repeat and if they want to be a lil cheeky and charge them, you just repulsor ability to pop them back in.

@lemanruss22

Жыл бұрын

Another cheeky meme is running chaplain cassius, for devastating memes. Except run a landraider and launch up the board. Pop out and smoke a unit then charge them for devastating wounds in combat from Cassius. 40 attacks from the sternguard and the attacks from cassius translate quite well into a big wound bomb

Got my biologis painted. Now I’m doing the captain. Next is the Sternguard. Librarian is being left until last.

What´s weird, in the building instructions of the Leviathan box, we see that the various combi weapons have different rules. The kombi melta has anti vehicle 4+, flamer anti infantery 4+ and plasma anti monster 4+. Why not in the actual rules?

I would of liked the combi plasma to be a option in the profiles and the auto bolter

3:53 Combi weapons as Indexed are really weird/a bit of a let down. But I'm still not 100% convinced they won't get distinct entries in the Codex(s). Reason being, in the bare-bones datasheets that came with the assembly instructions, there WERE distinct profiles for the Combi-Plasma AND the Combi-Melta the monopose models come with, distinct from the Combi-Flamer the Phobos LT (and the default Index one) have. So... there's hope yet, maybe?

how should i build the new stern guard kit? 3 guys with boltors, then a heavy boltor, but what should the sergeant be equipped with? Unsure between the boltgun/chainsword, bolt pistol/power sword, or bolt pistol/power fist

@artklaah

5 ай бұрын

would of been nice if someone answered this as i am in the middle of building too!

Kitbashed my Levi guys to all have bolters, will probably run them as a 10 with a Librarian with Bolter Discipline. As for the comparison with Hellblasters, I will also run 10 Hellblasters with Apothecary. Because why not?

Pedro Kantor is a nice fluffy add-on imo. I'm used to play a homebrew chapter, but could I play it as a count-as crimson fists ? Would it be "legal" ?

I have converted mine to have all bolt rifles. if you have the intercessor parts it basically painless.

random question but is an assault squad worth taking in ba w a sang priest and something else and are bladeguard good

@juliangrunberg5597

Жыл бұрын

Yes

It hurts me that that changed combi weapons, and they completely changed their wargear choices, hopefully the codex will rectify this, but doubtful.

@roli112233

Жыл бұрын

very bizarre init

Perfect timing

I’m not sure you can use the DW special issue ammo with Sternguard. Pretty sure it’s Kill Team only… I stand corrected. Two KT or one SM unit

I run a 10 man squad lead by a captain. Captain has bolter drill. And 10 helblasters lead by a LT and apothecary 😎 Pew pew pew

doesnt the devistating wounds and anti-x synergise so that its auto-mortal wounds?

@mylittlepkle1714

Жыл бұрын

yes

My old first born Sternguard Squad is pissed they dont fit in their car anymore. Now they have to drop pod in or just walk on

Can i use them in a chapter like Blood Angels or Black Templars?

If they had auspex tactics at gw, in charge of the codexes, we would've already had all of the codexes😅

The "Armor Indomitus" is a specific piece of kit right? Doesn't "Tacticus" denote that they're in Tacticus armor versus Gravis or Phobos?

@batteredwarrior

Жыл бұрын

Correct.

@lazerhosen

Жыл бұрын

@@batteredwarrior (those were rhetorical questions since Auspex has been calling Tacticus armor "Indomitus" despite it being a relic in 9th. Rhetorical questions are a polite way for people making a mistake to realize they made one without being directly criticized for their mistake)

If we're treating Sternguard as random troop guys comparable to Intercessors, we have to also compare them to Scout Snipers, and the Sternguard don't come out great in that comparison. 75pts for 5 W2 models with Infiltrators, Stealth and (technically not) Lone Operative is already mad value in the "standing on objectives" category, and their damage/points is actually surprisingly close to the Sternguard. Hell, it's actually better much of the time, since they deal it at their full 36'' range. And they have Precision, to boot! You could argue that they're fundamentally different types of unit and shouldn't be compared like that, but firstly the snipers' shooting is so efficient that that's not actually true, and secondly that still puts the Sternguard (and Heavy Intercessors, and even regular Intercessors) in an awkward position where they're kind of cheap and kind of efficient and kind of durable and kind of shoot pretty good and overall not a terrible choice, but they're competing in both directions with units that are extremely efficient or extremely durable or shoot extremely hard. I just think I'd prefer one squad of scout snipers and one squad of hellblasters to two squads of Sternguard, you know?

Need a update video. They got pyro cannons and oath has changed and deverstating rules

Man, I sure wish I could still tote my Sternguard in my Razorback. Thanks for giving them the stupid Primaris tag, GW! 10E is pretty dogshit for those of us wanting to only use Firstborn.

What's the best transport in the game?

I think combining all the combi-weapons into one was a bad choice and according to the Leviathan assembling guide, it was a choice they made later. Originally combi-flamers were going to be Anti-Infantry 4+, Devastating Wounds, and Ignore Cover. Combi-Plasma was Anti-Monster +4, Devastating Wounds, and Hazardous. Combi-Melta was Anti-Vehicle 4+, Devastating Wounds, and Melta 2. These were all be better than what we got, and you can even have made it simple that the unit all takes the same combi-weapon or stick with their bolter. Unfortunately, GW was too worried about matching the Datasheets to the boxes instead of creating good Datasheets and redoing the boxes to match them.

@JimH.

Жыл бұрын

That actually sounds VERY plausible. Perhaps when the proper codex comes out they may implement something like that.

By my math anyway, a squad of nine bolt rifles with one heavy bolter, and a Lt. with bolter disc, with oath of moment and storm of fire, should mathematically kill anything up to and including a Land Raider out of a drop pod.

What does the Levian box come with in terms of standard weapons for these guys? Are the lighter guns 4 bolt rifles, or 2 combi plus 2 bolt rifles?

@klakhouse

Жыл бұрын

1 Sergeant, 1 with heavy bolter, 2 with bolt rifle, 1 with a combi plasma. i think the sergeant has a combi melta also

@JPKgold

Жыл бұрын

The latter

@batteredwarrior

Жыл бұрын

*Leviathan

My nemesis is my best friend who play tyranid’s. My crimson fists are gonna show him who’s boss

Vanguard veteran better be around the corner

10 Sternguard plus character in Stormraven Hover will get them exactly where you need them and it has enough guns to weaken the first target to double shoot.

I don’t understand where the idea is coming from that the sternguard bolt rifles do better at 24”? Is he referring to rapid fire? Because that’s not how that works any more. Or heavy? That’s about being stationary, not range

Thought they could go into rhinos and ravorbacks with the change

Miss my Heavy Flamer and combi-flamer Boys☹️

Are the rules from the 9th edition codexes not valid anymore? Someone told me the only rules armies get to use are the few you find in the indexes. If this is true doesn't that mean that a ton of rules and abilities from the 9th codexes are no more?

Malum Caedo is pleased.

I think they changed bolter drill to something less spicy ...

Is it better to use with Azrael strenguard or veteran bladeguards?

@tinker1945

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Do Azrael with hellblasters. Bladeguard are kinda not worth it when they pay for an invuln Azrael gives anyways, so you might as well maximise the value from Az

@XxXchrisXxX78

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Hellblasters are best followed by Sternguard

@paulaltern-ate-5168

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Ty for the answers

i think this is how GW will move to a sole primaris range with the next 2 editions slowly phasing out first born sculpts it was quite obvious the sternguard is a direct replacement for first born 1 for 1, the terminators are kind of maybe, maybe not up until now the Primaris have received equivalents, with bikes, attack bike, landspeeder, land raiders, dreadnoughts, snipers, scouting units rhino/razorback. devastators, characters etc (its kind of surprising how much of the range has changed since 8th i think Vanguard will be next for a 1 to 1 swop then it's a question of what's next whirlwind? vindicator? flyers? we`ll probably see the last of the first born around 12th ed, especially since GW is taking the view of Horus Heresy is for HH and 40k is separate

from Leviathan, when playing WYSWYG, sucks two combi-weapons must be taken…

Are they better than heavy intercessors?

Am I missing something? For combi-weapon, don't anti weapons automatically score critical wounds? So every 4+ to wound is a mortal wound? So a squad of 5 should do 10*4/6*3/6 = 3.3 mortal wounds to all infantry at 12" range? Thanks!

@chriscannon7065

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Yeah, I think people are over looking a major advantage of the combo-weapons over the bolters. You should really look closer at their anti-infantry abilities when well buffed. Like look at what a 10 man squad with a Captain and Apothecary w/ Bolter Drill, and Storm of Fire. Heck, even a 5 min squad is going to likely get way more than just 3 dead termagants. Edit - just playing around with RollHammer for a bit, and I think we can see why they consolidated all the combi-weapons into one profile and why it was anti-infantry. The sheer number of mortal wound output from a squad with 10 with 5+ exploding hits and 4+ mortal wounds would be deleting most vehicles or monsters every turn if they were equipped to fight just that specific type. Just in a few runs, I was seeing between 16-22 mortal wounds (and this was discarding an non-mortals), so I’d love to see someone that can figure out the math and run the numbers to see what the actual average is.

@gavinross1565

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I think what you're missing is that the combi weapons hit on 4's. So it's 10*3/6*3/6=2.5

@jamesdowning-green4514

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Combi weapons hit on 4s so for MW its (10)*(3/6)*(3/6)=2.5 mw

@ericbitler143

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@@gavinross1565 lol whoops that's embarrassing, thanks for pointing out!

@chriscannon7065

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@@jamesdowning-green4514 question, as it is hard to tell from the equation, but are you applying mortals on 6s or 4+ which is what they actually do. Edit - and is that factoring in exploding 5&6s to hit from bolter discipline under Devastator doctrine with oath of moment.

Played against my friend with sternguard and found out they do quite a lot of damage

I run 20 sternguard and with the oath of moment reroll I was able to reroll 13 devastating wounds with combie weapons from the stern guard squad Into a 5 man terminator squad. Terminators are practically useless against them

I love how potent combi weapons and boltors can be, but doing 40 mortal wounds and insta deleting a 400 point unit of terminators in a single shooting phase just feels a bit dirty to me 😅

They are a mob-up unit. bets synergy is with intercessor's. a 2:0.5 ratio. for each twenty intercessors you take 5 stern guard. attach a LT and take the boltrifels. let the intercessors shoot up a unit with support of a rear guard heavy hitting unit and use the shoot again gimmick to clean up what is left. with the LT and his adaptive gear and there many attacks you can even punch what is left if the shooting did not the trick. a unit on there own is not good its all about synergy with whole army and what you want to acive and against who.

I didnt care much about Sternguard. Then Boltgun appeared.

Make Malum Caedo Proud!

"an awful lot of things that kill that very easily " . No duh. Every datasheet is balanced around deleting marines.