People say it doesn't deserve a place in the museum???? Whoever says that obviously doesn't know the significance it has in locomotive history.

@thomasm1964

Жыл бұрын

I think Anthony should name names!

@davidty2006

Жыл бұрын

It was sat in the science museum for think a good hundread years. Can do with a new coat of yellow paint on the boiler.

@TheRip72

Жыл бұрын

It is the most significant artefact in the museum, beating Mallard into second place. Last time I was there, it was tucked away in a dark alcove in the station hall. I thought it was worthy of a much more prominent place.

@fredbloggs8072

Жыл бұрын

One of the most significant machines ever in the history of our civilisation ...doesn't deserve to be in the museum. I guess you can't fix stupid.

@paulwhite6745

4 ай бұрын

If Rocket doesn't deserve a place in the museum then no engine does, might as well shut the place down and sell the lot off for scrap! Seriously, what kind of idiot fails to appreciate the historical importance of this loco?

Denmark's first proper locomotive, Odin, was more or less a direct descendent of Rocket. It was built by Stephenson in Manchester in 1846. They basically took everything they learned from Rocket and shoved it into a more solid engine, and while an improvement over the original design, it also still had a lot of obvious similarities. Odin was sadly lost over the years, but in 2004 a group started on a 1:1 replica of it, which took 14 years before it went out on its first journey in 2018 - and became the first steam engine to be built in Denmark in 60 years ;)

Next episode should be the replica of Rocket

@monstermind9380

10 ай бұрын

Well I mean you didn't get Rocket but you did get Sans Pareil. 🤷‍♂️

How could it NOT belong in the Museum, it's the grandfather to everything that came after! It's the Wright Brothers airplane of the railway world.

@vectorbrony3473

7 ай бұрын

Exactly. It showed what the potential of steam locomotives using these designs could do. And it allowed for Stevenson and others to build bigger and stronger locomotives based on the ideas installed in Rocket.

To observe Rocket travelling at 35 m.p.h. must have astounded, even frightened, most people. What great engineers there were at that time!

@MiaCollinsNeighborhood

Жыл бұрын

Well trains have most certainly evolved!

@ScotSteam47

Жыл бұрын

when you consider what the track was like too? Crikey they must have been hanging on for dear life lol

There wouldn't be an engineer anywhere in the world that wouldn't give Rocket pride of place in your museum, the fact that so much of it still exists is great.

How amazing that the museum has the remains of this incredibly historic engine! 😯

Thank you for explaining why Rocket looks like it does now. I must admit that when I recently visited the museum I was astounded at the condition of the loco. I am now a wiser person and will appreciate Rocket more on my next visit.

Many thanks for yet another fascinating episode and boy, what a loco to feature. I just can't fathom why some individuals feel it has no place in the museum, when, in fact, it ireason a railway museum exists. It is the pinnacle of the history of locomotion not only in this country but around the world!

@CustomiZe_

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, Flying Scotsman has so many new parts that its hardly original but people still love it

@TheRip72

Жыл бұрын

@@CustomiZe_ Don't get me started on Flying Scotsman. How is it significant? The first 100mph loco? No, that was City of Truro. Upping the standard of London-Scotland services? No, that was the service after which the loco was named. Its only true significance is that it bankrupted more owners than any of their other possessions.

@CustomiZe_

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRip72 Flying Scotsman was first loco to go 100mph officially, City of Turo only went 100mph through word of mouth. Also its significant because it was the first steam loco to circumnavigate the globe. And it did the longest non stop run of 422 miles while in Australia. So I would say that's pretty significant.

I always wondered why Rocket looked so completely different from the original - never knew it had such a drastic rebuild! Thankyou for the great video & history lesson! 🙂

You could say that Rocket was the first locomotive to include all the main features of the modern (ish) locomotive, but Planet was the first locomotive to put all of those features in the correct places.

Amazing locomotive. It derves a place in the museum. With out rocket we wouldnt have steam locomotives. Im from the USA and i love studying the history of steam locomotives.

Waiting for a video talking about Trevithick's role in railway pioneering

@Boundsinator01

Жыл бұрын

^^ this

@paulwhite6745

4 ай бұрын

This series seems to be looking at surviving locomotives displayed in the museum. Trevithick's place in locomotive history is obvious, since he effectively invented the very first loco to run on rails, but unfortunately that first loco hasn't survived to be displayed in a museum - which is a pity.

Outstanding Curator with a Camera episode...🚂🇬🇧

People thinking this engine doesn't belong in the museum is one of the more astounding things I've ever heard.

I've especially wanted to mention that I personally found out that the famous locomotive designed by Robert Stephenson himself known as the Stephenson's Rocket from the year of exactly 1829 respectfully to win the legendary Rain Hill Trials to gain a specifically certain £500 prize as well as a specifically certain contract to construct locomotives for the Liverpool & Manchester Railway @ a certain top speed of close to 20 MPH with rolling stock very easily, but also apparently a certain top speed of 35 MPH light-engine!

It's amazing that such a significant piece of history has survived time so well. As an aside, the prototype Mosquito survived, which is VERY rare in the aircraft world.

Absolutely facilitating, so much more history to know!

That was amazing. I had no idea she was made for trials or a competition, similar to the how the Ryan NYP (Spirit of St Louis) was built for the Orteig Prize. While conservation is paramount, I wonder why she has never had a restoration to bring back her pieces as she should have appeared then.

Although George and Robert Stephenson built Rocket they'd been building lumbering slow colliery engines that at a push might get to 10mph but were happy at 4-5mph . It was William Booth who designed Rocket's firebox the firebox every other steam engine had after Rocket to the end of the steam engine era. William Booth is now a forgotten person of railway history but it was his firebox design that made Rocket fast. The heating surface was so much greater than anything that had gone before it.

STEPHEN A K A THE ROCKET: (CHUCKLES) HEY, LOOK; IT'S MY OWN OFFICIAL REAL-LIFE LOCOMOTIVE COUNTERPART!

Who said this doesn't belong in a museum? That's like saying a WW1 biplane doesn't deserve to be in a museum because it's battle damaged and can't fly. I was blown away when I saw this last year. Are there any plans to keep it or any of the locos in the station hall on display to the public until the hall is renovated?

What a great video of the very origins of our railways. Excellent work

Again another excellent video.

great video, loved the 3D animations

You've really upped your graphics/animation game recently, great stuff!

@mrsulzer5913

Жыл бұрын

I supplied the 3D animations

Curator with a passion, your best yet.

05:23 "It's faster than the horses at the time ..." Apparently, they can run faster nowadays.

@OfficiallyANerd

Жыл бұрын

They probably can with selective breeding

@kkobayashi1

Жыл бұрын

I've heard it claimed that Romans and ancient Greeks used chariots because horses were smaller and weaker back then.

Am I the only one who really loves Rocket's raty and worn appearance? Looking at pristine engines in preservation is nice, but it's also nice to see "battle damage" on a almost 200 year old engine...

People who think this remarkable engine doesn't deserve a place in the National Railway Museum need to get their heads checked!.. For all intensive purposes, this is genesis for the modern steam locomotive

@garryferrington811

13 күн бұрын

"Intensive purposes!" Good eggcorn!

I feel proud to have been born in one of the towns where this amazing locomotive made its first record breaking journey... go rocket go 👍

Who the hell says it doesn't deserve to be in a museum? Honestly my biggest issue with it is that its in a somewhat dark corner of the museum (Or it was when I was there to the point where my parents walked past it and said they didnt even see it.) I'd want to see it fully illuminated to be able to study every detail.

At what period did the reinforcing plate from the crank pin to the wheel edge get added ? As seen in the later drawing but not in the early drawings nor being present on the preserved remains.

I'd love to know more about the history of "What we thought Rocket(and by extention the Liverpool and Manchester rolling stock) looked like over time" with those old curators, the replica rocket and then 12:26 this 3D model, and even still the drawing on the wall that all aren't quite the same outline or features

@mrsulzer5913

Жыл бұрын

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And someone, please do a model of Rocket in it's Green L&M Livrey. I really want it!

Without this engine, we wouldn’t have a the car, or easy commerce in general. Its builder laid the foundation for all rail systems, and therefore, modern society. People still don’t quite get how much we still depend on rails, since they travel faster than most things on land, and can carry more than a fleet of trucks. And all that, because this thing won a competition way back in time.

Man, you guys definitely know how to rocket!

In many regards rather like my Audi TT roadster, Rocket was something of a "concept" design. Insomuch as it proved most of it's features the multi tubular boiler and blast pipe to name but two parts that already existed elsewhere. Granted there were modifications made to the "production version" of the loco in light of experience at the trails to great success....

What blows my mind is that even the nuts and bolts were hand made. Hand made using very basic and early hand made tools!

When I was a child, I used to have a VHS set of the animated history of mankind. Sufficient to say that the tape containing the birth of the railroad was quitte worn. Also, I stil have to this day a book called "Donald and the Railroad", which depicted the struggles of Stephenson coming up with the best steam loco yet to be seen, and the woes of the trial that Rocket won.

A working replica but in the final form would be most interesting.

Does Invicta, the next engine built be the Stevenson's, also have a multiple tube boiler ?

@mrsulzer5913

Жыл бұрын

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I completely love how closely my full name is to Robert Stephenson. The only difference is, instead of a “ph” my family has “v”. (Stevenson) What quite funny is that my granddad is called George stevenson.

I have been interested in how Rocket and the other engines made the journey from Newcastle to Liverpool in Rocket's case. I believe it made a journey across the country to the coast and then by sea. Is there any drawings or paintings.

What happened to the Tender???

Actually Mr Guinness was around (and given the company’s interest in steam may have been at the trials). The book was however in the future.

In 1988 my husband worked with moveright international to take rocket out the science museum London to an airfield near swindon then in 1989 he went to japan with rocket his job was to connect and disconnect her chimney at every event her first showing was in an old bank in kobe,

Excellent a real insight into how it developed I believe there is a full size replica of the original is that so?

@TheRip72

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the replica is also on display. I believe that is still steamed sometimes too.

Yes

Whatever happened to the replica of Rocket that was built at Bowes Railway Museum near Gateshead?

This is almost a bit spooky. Like some ancient mummified beast.

Cool

What other liveries has Rocket been in?

Only on its second smokebox! Flying Scotsman has had at least four smokeboxes, and it’s half the age of Rocket.

@paulkeith9680

2 ай бұрын

I think flying Scotsman is has done a few more miles in the last 100 years than Rocket...

nice trAIN AMAZING

An Icon

Hey Anthony. Did you know that Toby's leaving the island of sodr

From 45 degrees to 8 degrees: how was the optimum angle for the cylinders assessed? Why did it end up being 8 degrees? Why not, let's say, 22.5 degrees - so half the original angle - or maybe 11.25 degrees, a quarter of the original? How or why did it end up being (exactly) 8 degrees? 🤔

@mrsulzer5913

Жыл бұрын

After rainhill further speed trials were conducted and improvments to the twin blast pipe to increase its speed, the high angle of the cylinders caused a rocking motion, so following Rockets last accident of which it had four which involved the supporting cylinder frame to be damaged. It was decided to fit the cylinder just so they cleared the rialing wheels which would have been about 8 degrees. Following the Rainhill trials stephenson received an order for 4 rocket type engines these all had the cylinders fitted at 8 degrees from the factory .

Why was the museum stashion closed

One of the other Rainhill competitors "Sans Pareil" had to withdraw from The Trials because of a cracked cylinder. The cylinder in question was manufactured by non other than Robert Stephenson and co. which caused a few at the time to think that maybe they had deliberately sold Timothy Hackworth (The builder of that engine) a 'dodgy' cylinder so they couldn't possibly win it. The design thickness for the cylinder walls was some 1+3⁄4 inches, but at the point of failure, it was found to be a mere 5⁄8 inch . Hmm 🤔

@mikebrown3772

Жыл бұрын

Hackworth had Stephenson's works cast at least twenty cylinders and he chose what he thought were the best two.

I always thought it was called "The Rocket"

Have you guys ever thought about making new replacement parts?

InterCity 35 😂

How did they find Rocket?

If you know Rocket, you can’t forget her cousin: JOHN BULL! Proudly preserved at the National Museum Of American History here in the states!

@davidty2006

Жыл бұрын

Blimey thing last ran in 1980's. Meanwhile Rocket hasn't ran ever since being put on static display.

@ReggieArford

Жыл бұрын

And a replica is occasionally run at The Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania. Runs well!

Why did the trial ask for the fuel to be COKE rather than COAL?

@mrsulzer5913

Жыл бұрын

The engines smokeless

4:47 😂who’s that?

where did the tender go?

@caseaces9276

Жыл бұрын

It was lost to time It simply didn’t survive along the locomotive unfortunately

Very proud to be George's Great granddaughter His daughter Catherine is my Grandmother

hex nuts? I thought square was the common type back in the 1830's? Also have to add I liked Novelty more than Rocket.

Could do with some better lighting around the exhibit.

@frostedbutts4340

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this part of the museum is getting a big renovation so this is temporary

Who thought this was a completely different engine when you first saw it

batman needs ur help😨

is the rocket in the science museum london a replica?

@johnharrison6808

Жыл бұрын

This video is of the Rocket that was on display at the Science Museum.

@madguernseyboy

Жыл бұрын

@@johnharrison6808 thanks I though he was at York.

If it wasnt for rocket we wouldnt have engines like flying scotsman or mallard

It's that just a copy of stephenson's rocket now or it is the real one?

@NatRailwayMuseum

Жыл бұрын

It's the real, original version, nearly 200 years old. Since this video was filmed, Rocket has gone on display at Locomotion while we do some (a lot) of work in Station Hall. Thanks for watching

Here I was thinking this was lost to time and only the replica existed!

still waiting for that pacer vid

Lest hope rocket stays at NRM not the science musum could not understand why it was there in first place one of the pioneers deserves a better place and be able to see bolth sides.

Stephenson's claim to fame, the one and only yellow pioneer- rocket

Hi Andrew. Lovely video. I have one complaint and that is your use of the term DNA. A locomotive is not an organic life form. It does not have DNA, unless your referring to that resident in the bits of wood. You're not alone in this missuse of the term but missuse it is. DNA is a property of organic life not of artifacts.

@frostedbutts4340

Жыл бұрын

It must be hard living with such severe autism Emma. I hope you can get help.

@emmabird9745

Жыл бұрын

@@frostedbutts4340 Hi Alex, perhaps you explain your leap of logic that suggests Autism. Perhaps I can discover something interesting.

@garryferrington811

Жыл бұрын

You've never heard of metaphor? "DNA" isn't meant to be taken literally.

@emmabird9745

Жыл бұрын

@@garryferrington811 Hi Garry. I'm very aware that the general public grab terms and missuse them at will. I don't really mind that. However, Anthony is a representative of the Science Museum (the NRM is a part). As a scientist, I would like representatives of the Science Museum to better respect true science. There are plenty of words that mean characteristics, indeed that is one of them. I'm not going to lose sleep over it but it is nice to be right over some things. Incidentally, "metaphor" did feature in English lessons at school.

I hate to burst a bubble but Rocket was merely a continuation of the work of Trevithick, Hackworth and others and didn't contain an original Stephenson idea. My comment isn't to take away from what Stephenson delivered at Rainhill or Stephenson's later amazing accomplishments, but correct the impression many have that Stephenson was the inventor of the steam engine. The Rocket was the culmination of the work of others. I am very disappointed that the NRM doesn't provide the credit the Agenoria, as one example, deserves - it's hidden next to a bunch of huge, modern locomotives. If you want to know the history of steam engines, you won't find it at the NRM.