I’ve seen Stephen clear the table many times: Chinese restaurant , Burger King , Steakhouse ,

@archer8822

3 жыл бұрын

Please do

@tommycanavan8285

3 жыл бұрын

Not funny.. Are u perfect????

@D-No974

3 жыл бұрын

Very good! 🤣👍‼️

@tommycanavan8285

3 жыл бұрын

@@D-No974 no its not.

@mowlie2000

3 жыл бұрын

Knob...

Plot twist both Higgins and Lee were trying to lose that frame

@John_Wood_

3 жыл бұрын

Looked like Higgins was anyway

@gooders8855

3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t argue against you on that one

@arska1804

3 жыл бұрын

Naaa higgins was only supposed to lose the 3rd frame in matches 😂

@OP-oj9od

3 жыл бұрын

They were but then Higgins felt a slight sting. That was pride fucking with him.

@John_Wood_

3 жыл бұрын

@@OP-oj9od Pulp Fiction quote, lol

It’s the betting patterns that went along with these matches not just what we see here.

@libbad7419

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking. Far too circunstancial just missing the shots in certain frames. The numbers have to tally. Then they work out the details , patterns, or out of the norms. ..

@tjfSIM

2 жыл бұрын

@@libbad7419 yeh - must be very difficult to prove in many cases.

@libbad7419

2 жыл бұрын

@@tjfSIM it is. But it seems he got greedy and involved too many people.....Who also got greedy....

@grimacemcdonald1

2 жыл бұрын

Lee had his mates backing the other player for first ball potted in the frame. Fact

@jamesbrown8407

2 жыл бұрын

Well yeah of course so

You wanna come watch me at the conny club on a friday night, you,ll think every frame is fixed.

@simonwilson1686

3 жыл бұрын

hehe - another liberal :) LOL

@kn1219

3 жыл бұрын

Bro but they're pro.

@helbenshcfam9064

3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant!!!

@shanewarburton4064

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@ChewyGDRP

3 жыл бұрын

Good one!

I'm glad you all don't watch me play snooker, I'd be accused of match fixing every single game I've ever played!!!😁🖖

@Zanyar7

2 жыл бұрын

😅😅😅

@HantsLeo

Жыл бұрын

Me too 😢

@JmeJ83

Жыл бұрын

The difference is, you're not a pro playing for big money

@yourrightimsooosorry884

Жыл бұрын

@@JmeJ83 #whooooosh!!!!

@JmeJ83

Жыл бұрын

@@yourrightimsooosorry884 I know it was a joke mate, it just wasn't funny 😐

12 years was so over the top. Higgins did the same and got nothing. Total injustice.

He must have been like ffs John please just win.

Higgins and Lee trying lose the same match 😂

@bez750

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Remember the news of the world sting

@wanderer7755

2 жыл бұрын

100%

@no.1kickboxing226

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣

@JackMcLeodJr

Жыл бұрын

Probably correct mate 🤣 I bet the bookies were pyssing themselves.

Imagine 2 match fixers playing against each other to lose 😂 that would be so funny to watch

@JmeJ83

2 жыл бұрын

Thats literally what this video is 😆

@singerpour6946

2 жыл бұрын

Kind of.. but I meant literally both playing to lose the same frame at the same time. Would be so funny

@AkyovNorthWest

2 жыл бұрын

@@singerpour6946 Higgins did miss some questionable shots to be fair.

@singerpour6946

2 жыл бұрын

@@AkyovNorthWest yh but I doubt he was trying to lose that frame if he was betting he would literally have to lose it

@no.1kickboxing226

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

Lee was telling Higgins., " how many chances did you want me to give you!"... Higgins response: " Don't worry, the bets still good"

Great to see two athletes at work.

@sticksman7819

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@PlayMoreGolf-RipOff

2 жыл бұрын

You want to see STEPHEN LEE working at full efficiency and flat out then pop down his nearest all you can eat buffet or maccies and you’ll see it every night!

@craigmorgan4676

Жыл бұрын

are u joking or wot,athletes?😮🤯😫🤔😫🤔

@danielmorrison5221

Жыл бұрын

Hardly athletes! Not sure why you think that

@notrecyborg5492

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorrison5221 its a joke

when theres betting on matches there will always be corruption in sport !

@something.for.everyone

3 жыл бұрын

Easiest way to launder big too..

@TheVanderfulLife

2 жыл бұрын

@@sounduser Tiddlywinks

@johnmitchell2269

2 жыл бұрын

@Joseph Elliott Every pregnancy is fixed. As is every death.

3:39 "Another 4 points given away although he wont be bothered by that" Truer words never spoken lol

@ass640

2 жыл бұрын

Get that fucking profile picture changed pal, and the name... completely disrespectful towards Solskjaer.

@christopherchristos7275

2 жыл бұрын

@@ass640 Oh dear.

@glennseaward3050

2 жыл бұрын

@@ass640 clowns are good value

@johnmitchell2269

2 жыл бұрын

@@ass640 I think that's probably the whole point, to intentionally be disrespectful.

@yoohoo9744

2 жыл бұрын

"Get that fucking picture changed.... And the name" 😆😠😂 Ats him told

He was accused of losing matches but this is how i play normally 😂

He wasn't accused of losing the games, he did lose them

Anyone found guilty of match fixing should be banned for life

I've met the man. I liked him a lot. He is a bit of a wildchild. As to his snooker. He's a natural talent. That's different to practicing and honing a skill. He plays on flair most of the time. Which makes him magic to watch. Just like O'Sullivan. When he's on, he's unbeatable. But that flair can leave you sometimes. Trust me I know. As to the allegations. There was betting and shenanigans going on in the sport at that time. Stephen was likely involved to some extent. But there is no evidence he threw any matches. Even if he did, it wouldn't be as obvious as missing easy shots. The video shows misses by millimetres. You would throw a match by cue ball control and shot selection. The one wrong cue ball control in the video was nearly pulled off. The one 'wrong' shot selection shows a 'shot to nothing'. Which is essentially no real shot on except a longshot, leaving a safe position. They wanted to make an example, Stephen fitted the bill. I feel very sorry for him. My personal feeling is that the things he probably did deserved a fine. A 12 year ban for an unprovable allegation is unconscionable.

@No1Geordie

Жыл бұрын

The proof was all the money going into his wife's bank accounts from betting on him to lose these specific frames. Bookies aren't stupid and recognise suspicious betting patterns.

@sjdover69

Жыл бұрын

@@No1Geordie Well then. His wife kept it. He ain't got it. I can tell you that.

@inb4230

Жыл бұрын

Come on man, that pink to black was not missed by millimetres, no professional on earth would 2 cushion play that pink at that pace when you could just stun it and roll the black in, that was as obvious as obvious can be.At least aim for the shoulder with the right pace ffs

@UnboxRacing

5 ай бұрын

Anyways he's almost done his time. Maybe he can play pool, I hope he has kept practicing and can come back.

Lee was banned for life Higgins wasn't! Why?

Nothing to do with missing shots , its all about what big bets are going on at the bookies as they don't like paying out.

@Ian-if2lf

3 жыл бұрын

exactly this

@BigFlange

3 жыл бұрын

Listen. I dont like bookmakers. But if a frame of snooker that attracts about a thousand of bets suddenly has 100 thousand of bets they have every right to investigate

@Ian-if2lf

3 жыл бұрын

@@BigFlange its not just the amount of bets, but if there is suddenly a large stake bet

@libbad7419

2 жыл бұрын

He knew his time was up. That's why he cheated big time in 2012 just before his ban. So blatent. Literally cashed in and committed fraud in front of the world. And he still tries to profess his innocence

@mrT-qp1mf

2 жыл бұрын

Ye mate. They don't like ppl winning. As gambling companies are set up to take your money but moan when you win. But they win every night. This whole saga starts because bookies don't want to pay out an try an find inconsistencies in shots an betting patters. But it's OK for everyone to bet on a loser an if ae bet loses we don't get to look into betting patterns yo see if it was a fix. Could u imagine standing at William Hill an saying the race is a fix an I want my money back. But they can do it to you. Double standards

The higgins match is shortly after he served a 1 year ban after he was caught by the NoW sting. The commentator even said Higgins has gone of the boil. Looked like nobody wanted to win.

@ass640

2 жыл бұрын

He was probably just very rusty in fairness. I have no doubt Higgins is and was completely innocent.

@everythingbobbywolfe

Ай бұрын

​@@ass640believe in the tooth fairy, too?

I bet Stephen was fuming at Higgins making it look as hard as possible for him to plausibly lose the match 😂

@fargodavilleitnotd6729

2 жыл бұрын

haha I had to laugh anyway, uspicious he lost to Higgins? who wouldnt on his day

@celtickid8847

2 жыл бұрын

Higgy new wat he was at blatent wat an ejet

@Facelessman254

2 жыл бұрын

@@celtickid8847 Erm?

@celtickid8847

2 жыл бұрын

@@Facelessman254 higgens knew he was cheating or suspecte

@celtickid8847

2 жыл бұрын

@Fur Q fk never knew that all at it fs👍

Match one reminds me of the classic "Porridge boxing scene" when they were both paid to go down in the 2nd or in the sixth in this case.

I actually think it’s harder to make them rattle like that than to pot them. Well done Stephen

@bobbydukes5407

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not. If you know the potting angle you move a few millimetres to either side.

@owengardiner4628

Жыл бұрын

@@bobbydukes5407 but that logic, a pro should never miss

@Airblader

Жыл бұрын

For most players it is indeed more difficult to rattle the ball than to make it. But a lifelong professional player has a much higher level of accuracy and control - even cheating pockets is part of their standard repertoire. To throw a game you don't need to perfectly rattle a ball. If you accidentally make it, you can try again with the next shot. This is inverse to playing normally where if you miss, you don't get another chance.

@Superutubeking

Жыл бұрын

Slightly off centre and more cue power they will rattle every time

Hope "honest John" is watching !!

@semprelazio8864

3 жыл бұрын

That John Higgins is absolutely blooy useless. What more did Steven need to do for him 🙈

@jamesdoyle3885

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

I think John Higgins could tell what was happening in that match.

@western-oud1898

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it looked like it didn’t it..if you you look closely at Higgins some of the looks he gives makes me think the same

@Harp00nX

Жыл бұрын

@@western-oud1898 You must have different footage to the rest of us? at no point can you see Higgins' head to see that when Lee misses in this video. 100% looks like Lee is doing everything he can to throw the frame though.

How can they say he threw those frames every ball wobbled in the pocket. John Higgins was caught on camera taking cash and he's back playing, outrageous judgement

@thebandit1324

3 жыл бұрын

John Higgins walked into a situation he had no prior knowledge of. It has been proved conclusively he thought he was there to promote snooker. So you’re claim he was caught taking cash is a lie and the version of the video that the public saw was edited to portray a specific narrative to sell newspapers.

@richardwalker4220

3 жыл бұрын

@@thebandit1324 I've seen the video. Guilty!

@listerofsmeg884

3 жыл бұрын

Oh look, another expert in law on social media... 🙄

@guitarman1477

3 жыл бұрын

Higgins is a Fucking cheat

@richardwalker4220

3 жыл бұрын

@@listerofsmeg884 Are you his brother?

Higgins has never been so upset to win a match

Have to say that any benefit of the doubt you could give Lee evaporates quite quickly when you see that interview. It's written all over his face. I hope he doesn't play poker.

I guess he's a cheat but that one where he plants the red and goes in off, i mean he couldn't do that often. Most of his misses hit the jaw. That double when he was 8-4 down, well yeah id be more interested in making the 147, even if you win the frame you are still 8-5 down, there was probably still a big prize for a 147 in those days

@ArnoldClarke

2 жыл бұрын

147£k

@darrenlamb5640

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but even after the close misses you'll notice he leaves himself in terrible position for the next colour. So he was looking to make the loss safe either way.

Higgins charged for fixing a tournament but gets a pass!!!He'll always be regarded a cheat regardless.

@Ian-if2lf

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong! he was proven innocent, there has never been any proof John has fixed any match ever! there used to be a huge newspaper called ''the News of the World'' very corrupt and owned by Rupert Murdoch. it famously ended because of phone hacking scandals and links to corruption, they had a long list of famous people, actors and sports people that the paper targeted for spurious stories, John was just one of many targets, David Douglas, the former high-ranking Metropolitan Police officer who investigated match-fixing allegations, after being given access to the unedited version of tapes said that he was without doubt that John had no idea what was going on. Here is a link - www.sportingintelligence.com/2010/09/21/revealed-why-john-higgins-was-cleared-of-match-fixing-because-the-evidence-including-a-statement-from-mazher-mahmood-told-the-full-story-210901/ John did serve a ban and a fine from the Snooker authority's, which to me was very harsh considering John was still trying to figure out what had just happened . but Barry Hearn and Snooker were under public pressure to be seen to be doing something while the investigation was under way. John was a victim and has never fixed any match ever, but the mud sticks and Johns haters refuse to look at the facts and gleefully use any opportunity to perpetuate the lies. unfortunately. lol , the guy that made the video (Mohamood) does not believe John match fixed but you do? that's a particularly stupid position to take, its like you inventing a story and then some people believed it, you would think they were idiots right?... well the News of the World made idiots out of you.

@Ian-if2lf

3 жыл бұрын

simply because John answers a question about how you would go about match fixing, that does not show any actual intent you fool. David Douglas also came to the conclusion that John was not ''planning'' to fix any matches. you tell me how someone would go about burgling a house? go on...and then I can take your reply as actual intent , just like you have with John. its such a stupid position for you to take!.

@richardwalker4220

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ian-if2lf So why e

@FlameFlickers

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ian-if2lf The fact they couldn't prove Higgins would have gone through with it is not the same as "he was proven innocent". Are you for real??!!

@Ian-if2lf

2 жыл бұрын

@@FlameFlickers are you for real? you have to invent wrongdoing in order to find him guilty. the only guy to have seen all the evidence said he was innocent, I will go with the police inspector over your imagination all day long.

Edit any player's missed shots and it'll look like match fixing.

@No1Geordie

3 жыл бұрын

Aye it was more the fact massive amounts of money were being moved into his wifes account

@yerboitrophies8513

3 жыл бұрын

Lol are u real.. The guys a big fat cheat

@mickieb74

3 жыл бұрын

No need to edit mine, just film me for about 10 minutes and I'll miss every pot no danger... 😂

@garydilworth6909

3 жыл бұрын

True but I’ve just watched the first match and I wasn’t suspicious of anything other then playing poorly until that potted pink. There is absolutely no reason to play the pot at that speed and I’m sure he ran out of position on purpose.

@ronaldstubbs8825

3 жыл бұрын

@@No1Geordie p

Wow, that would be an impossible match to predict, Riggins Vs Lee, .... Get Quintin Hann to referee it and the Fransisco brothers to commentate and we have the ultimate match.

@1971dave

2 жыл бұрын

I spy with my little eye something beginning with, who's eaten all the fukn pies

Higgins was dogging the easy shots and looked more like match fixing. Pathetic he is still allowed to play and Lee out for 12 years

Can't be easy losing a match on purpose... If your opponent is doing the same thing

I think Higgins knew Lee was throwing so thought I'm gonna make you work for this L.

that was some Hollywood acting from Lee in the Premier League match, give that man an Oscar

"51. As set out above, Mr Lee did not contest any of the evidence as to what bets were placed, when, and by whom. Nor did he contest the timing of the telephone communications, or of when which computers were used for what. 52. He was therefore driven to accept that on seven occasions different groups of bettors only connected through him, and following communications from him, placed similar bets on him to lose, or to lose a particular frame or to lose by a specific score; that they bet significant amounts on multiple platforms; that those bets were quite out of the ordinary for the bettors and for the markets; and that the bets proved successful and netted considerable sums for the bettors. "

It’d be priceless if they were both throwing the same frame .. longest frame in history 😂

@Steven-ze2zk

3 жыл бұрын

It will also be the perfect possible evidence of match fixing you could find.

@neildocherty

3 жыл бұрын

Surely you mean longest frame in history not featuring Peter Ebdon?

@Marcus__Trance

2 жыл бұрын

Guilty as sin based on the Higgins match. But looks like Higgins was at it too. 😂🤣

@mikehunter2844

6 ай бұрын

The Thorburn v Griffiths match only finished last year.

Lee was definitely chiselling but it astounds me how many chances he got in those frames, some of his shot selections were dreadful even for a man trying to throw a frame. The plant was unlucky and he obv wasn't trying to get that end result from that shot, he probably intended on missing later. I'm not a fan of Higgins either and agree with most of the comments below.

I love to watch Stephen vs John in the first match when he makes a comeback. This time the first game could last for 2 hours. Till referee asks for black ball shoot out .

Poor willie RIP. Probably had a few quid on him as well

@williamdeane1934

3 жыл бұрын

As a failed gambler myself, this comment made me laugh 😂😂😂

@leeqvickers

2 жыл бұрын

I once met Willie Thorne backstage at a snooker tournament. I was assisting the Tournament Director and was alone with Thorne in a small room after his match entering the result in the score book. Willie said to me: "If you see me right, I'll cover you in diamonds, my son". I had no idea what he was talking about and I simply said 'err...OK'.

Stephen Lee - World Champion 2025!

@Romalian1

3 жыл бұрын

I really hope to see him coming back on professional tour when it will be possible.

@danender5555

3 жыл бұрын

In what discipline? Eating burgers maybe.

@ells5656

3 жыл бұрын

@@Romalian1 They probably won't accept him. To be fair to him it takes skill to purposely throw a game while making the shots look close.

@Romalian1

3 жыл бұрын

@@ells5656 they cannot refuse him if he wants to come back after his ban. Remember Justin Gatlin : Olympic Champion 2004, 8 years ban, World Champion 2017.

@Coneman3

3 жыл бұрын

That’s as likely as Leicester winning the premier league and the FA cup after 2015. Not gonna happen 😂🤣

2:56 was a big giveaway, almost like over compensating with the discussion and hand gestures. If he'd just shook hands and walked away that would have looked much better.

love to see Stephen back in tournament play after his ban

@flynnjr875

2 жыл бұрын

Was banned for life will never return

@BadgerBotherer1

2 жыл бұрын

@@flynnjr875 His ban will expire when he's about 50.

@ass640

2 жыл бұрын

@@flynnjr875 His ban expires in 2025.

@flynnjr875

2 жыл бұрын

👌

@flynnjr875

2 жыл бұрын

👌

How many times each player missed crucial balls and sometimes made it really ? No one can forget the 146 made by Ronnie O'Sullivan against Barry Pinches at Welsh Open 2014, just because didn't have 147 special price. This is because the prize money system is completely crazy and unuseful. If you win, you have more than double of the runner-up and more than 4 times the semi-finalist... and how much earn any player after the quarter finalists ? just necessary to be refund of the invest. If WST want to have a lot of new talents, they must make almost 64 people to earn someting correct to really be able to manage to be professional. In 2004, Graeme Dott was close to stop professional playing, due to lack of money to be able to live, to train and to go to the tournaments. His world final saved his professional career and all remember how good he was after. But how many players had to stop, 20 years ago or 10 years ago or actually ? A lot, you can be sure. PJ Nolan, the Irish coach of Ken Doherty, said in a training i participated in 2011 in Belgium, that in Ireland, there are almost 150 players able to make a maximum break but 90% prefer to avoid trying to be professional and follow a sure professional career on a normal job. So, after saying all this, Stephen Lee have been thrown by WST simply because of his body image, instead of seeing how marvellous player he is... since 1992 when he turned pro.

Remember that John Higgins got trapped in a match fixing scam on camera but he was protected to save snooker. When caught he said that he knew all along that it was a 'candid camera' sting and not a real match-fixing negotiation. With acting talent like that, he should be in movies. I guess its who you know not what you do that counts. A discredited sport.

@thew33pingsong

Жыл бұрын

As someone who only got into snooker in 2020 I can't help but agree with you, definitely to save snooker. I'm kind of grateful then but on the other hand all of this stuff still taints the game really. What I've been interested in since but haven't been able to find anything about - how did John Higgins' win in the 2011 Worlds final go down with the crowd and the wider snooker world given it was after the News of the World sting in 2010? Or was the sting carried out in 2010 but not aired until after May 2011. Either way I thought he'd get booed coming into the arena etc, and I imagine the whole tournament was tarnished by him going all the way, but haven't been able to find anything out about it

@neilmckechnie6638

Жыл бұрын

@@thew33pingsong Since Snooker covered up apparent crime, I have renamed it Crooker.

We all know match fixing was rife before 2000's in all sports, you must be stupid to think there wasn't, it was easy. But I'm afraid there had to come an end to it and Stephen Lee was made an example off to show the others it can't keep happening!

@Coneman3

3 жыл бұрын

Do you think his weight was also a decisive factor?

@alanmorgan5472

3 жыл бұрын

@@Coneman3 you mean for fitness!

@Coneman3

3 жыл бұрын

No the authorities decided to kick a fatty. Fattism at work.

@ryand141

2 жыл бұрын

Kick a man when he's down why don't you. I'll bet he can't lose a 1lb.

Must be difficult trying to lose to Higgins when he no doubt is trying to lose to you...

@kg9441

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha 😂😂😂... shouldn't laugh, how Higgins got away with it is unfair on Lee

@jackbaker1921

3 жыл бұрын

@Paul Doesn’t mean Higgins ‘never’ fixed a match!

@AfghanSoljer

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly.. The best cue action so far from him. But involved with the worst snooker scandal.

@jackbaker1921

3 жыл бұрын

@Paul I never said he had fixed a match, but you said he ‘never has’. Don’t be so naive to believe he’s never thrown a frame/match and never been caught - It’s clearly something which could fit within the blokes moral compass!!

@jackbaker1921

3 жыл бұрын

@Paul Erm......I think you may be forgetting something here - the footage where he agreed to lose a select few frames over the course of a season. Where he did quite badly mar his reputation!! Or did you miss that?!

People shouldn't call him fat. Hes got a slow metabolism and a fast pie arm.

@scorps192

Жыл бұрын

This didn't age well. Ya fanny

i used to know a guy who worked for a big spread betting firm in the city and he said there were 2 or 3 players with much worse betting patterns on their games than Lee and nothing ever happened to them - i wont name names but lets just say the worst culprit was certainly no gentleman

@Consta53

3 жыл бұрын

Betting pattern doesn't make you guilty. Could have been a set up, coincidence or any number of things. Would hope there was stronger evidence than that alone

@jamie6770

2 жыл бұрын

Your waffling

@normanno8514

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamie6770 im not sure how much clearer i could be to be honest

@allthekingshorses7178

2 жыл бұрын

norman no, probably Ronnie O'Sullivan then

@normanno8514

2 жыл бұрын

@@allthekingshorses7178 no

I only ever seen that pink potted that Lee got out of position for the black against Higgins before but when you see all the shots missed in the frame he's as guilty as fuck 😂😂😂

@patrickdolan2014

2 жыл бұрын

That’s the only shot that looked dodgy to me to be honest … maybe the rash double attempt as well but the rest looked like misses I’ve seen every pro make

@freyc1

3 ай бұрын

What about his first attempt at potting that pink? Even the red to the middle at 42-30 and a few other ones...@@patrickdolan2014

Some of the misses are so close to be able to miss by such a small fraction is in itself quite remarkable.

@garrybarry2268

3 жыл бұрын

But if he is aiming to "rattle" 90% of his total shots, the actual misses will always be ones that "rattle". It's really simple to be honest

@555pontifex

3 жыл бұрын

@@garrybarry2268 And professional snooker players are so good that they actually aim for one side of a pocket sometimes for positional play. It's called "pinching the pocket".

@goutamisgreat

3 жыл бұрын

@@555pontifex well pinching the pocket is actually putting the ball with some extra pace. Not exactly for the side of pocket. I might be wrong though

@garrybarry2268

3 жыл бұрын

@@goutamisgreat pocket pinching is nothing to do with pace of the ball.....

@Coneman3

3 жыл бұрын

Les Dawson played the piano in a similar fashion.

It's not fair that's Higgins still playing. After getting caught on video.

@Romamb

2 жыл бұрын

Caught doing what?

@binboy4034

2 жыл бұрын

@@RomambGoogle it, he's a cheat also

@Romamb

2 жыл бұрын

@@binboy4034 I know the story very well. He didn't cheat.

Shame players feel the need to fix and sport, especially when you good like Stephen and could just play your best and probably beat anyone.

higgins was also trying to lose the first match, thats why he looked so gutted afterwards

@ross8917

3 жыл бұрын

Do you have any evidence?

Saw him play against Trump in the Premier League at Skegness in 2012. Was comical from start to finish. He had to come down the stairs twice for the tv cameras which knackered him out. Some of the shots he played were ridiculous. I actually said to my mate sat next to me "This is bloody fixed" He was absolute dog sh!t, yet played brilliantly in the last frame to lose 5-1

@no.1kickboxing226

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣

Was Higgins trying to lose too?? 😂 He must have been missing left right and centre too

@allthekingshorses7178

2 жыл бұрын

O'Sullivan rumoured to be on the take as well

@djidroneadventures4059

Жыл бұрын

Yes he was

@everythingbobbywolfe

Ай бұрын

​@@allthekingshorses7178you have to show some proof of these rumors, at least

When is the Steven Lee weight lose documetary on

Everyone must have a second chance and so is for Stephen Lee too. Awaiting to see him bring his cue power back to professional snooker👍👍👍

@saschatexsommer723

Жыл бұрын

2024 He can come Back. Hope so

@trident1314

Жыл бұрын

Unlikely apparently he owes the wpbsa 125k in legal fees

Felt like both him and Higgins were both trying to loose that frame

I often wonder if the other players had an inclination of anybody match fixing either by Stephen or any others , and Stephen was singled out as a scapegoat ,

@libbad7419

2 жыл бұрын

Of course. They know the game and the players better than anyone.

@patrickdolan2014

2 жыл бұрын

@Joseph Elliott 😂😂😂 you sound like my grandad …. He wasn’t too smart either when it came to sport

Hey Snooker Daily. I'd love to see you make a video about Thanawat Thirapongpaiboon

@chriswalker9850

Жыл бұрын

try saying that after a couple of pints.

@flipthescript-karatekid

Жыл бұрын

@@chriswalker9850 took me a week to type it out

Higgins knows a cheater 😄 . He could tell it was a fix. Higgins was probably impressed by his efforts .

@rogerfedererrogerfederer9007

Ай бұрын

higgins is a regular cheater, so...😮😊

I’ve never been sure about this from start to finish. But there is a big tell in his interview. It’s common training in many professions, that when you glance or look to your left when answering questions, then you’re likely lying. If you fiddle or mess with your right ear at the same time. You’re likely lying. That kind of made up my mind I’m afraid.

@polaris7122

Жыл бұрын

Very scientific, hahahahaha, hope you're never on a jury! Hahahahahaha!

@phaywood5883

Жыл бұрын

@@polaris7122 - it’s called an educated debate. If you had in fact had an education you would understand the comment.

Judge the act and not the person. We all make mistakes that we regret, but those mistakes don't define who we are or what we are. He should just say he made mistakes and wishes to make a clean start and not be judged or be defined by his past. People do change for the better and God forgives a sinner who truly is repentant, remorseful.

@-The-Darkside

2 жыл бұрын

No such thing as god.

@dariusus9870

Жыл бұрын

Let God be merciful and forgiving then. Rules are rules. God wasn't that merciful with slaves though was he?

Players have bad days and results in missing easy pots. However, match fixing concerns looks at betting patterns to see if Unusual common or large bets are placed for a particular match. In ref. to the pot misses, some looked deliberately since he played them too hard or wrong shot / position selection , eg. final pink .

@bobbypukes605

Жыл бұрын

The smoking gun was amounts of money paid in and out of accounts amongst him and his friends. Your best mate is a snooker player who approches you very discretley and says he's going to throw a certain frame or match. Of course you'd bet everything you have on it for easy money. All of these missed pots and suspicious choice of shots were just circumstantial evidence.

was such a gifted player, a scapegoat for a then currupt sport like football

@johnmitchell2269

2 жыл бұрын

@Joseph Elliott Every human being corrupt.

@hargitsingh4971

Жыл бұрын

Something doesn't make sense - if he was fixing matches, he must have been paid well to do so. How then was he reduced to working illegally in Hong Kong?

@realeyesrealisereallies97

Жыл бұрын

@@hargitsingh4971 maybe he was doing it out of desperation? We don't know the full story

I think a lot of those shots were “missable”. Especially under pressure or match conditions. Was there direct evidence that Stephen Lee deliberately threw these games away??x

@irieite9666

Жыл бұрын

Betting patterns. That's how they all get caught. Dumb to think they'll get away with it. Some little crappy tournament where a match draws in 500 pound of total bets and all of a sudden some account addressed in Malaysia or Malta putting on 100 grand lmao

Hard to tell which one was trying to lose.

He was found guilty due to the fact his wife placed bets on him to lose before/during the matches. These bets were for £10,000 or more.

@mischief8006

3 жыл бұрын

Well to b fair she knew better than anyone how shit he was

Did he ever release that statement?

To be fair the middle pocket red was tough. I can't pot that

@garrybarry2268

3 жыл бұрын

He played it and it broke the sound barrier though.....

He’s guilty of hitting the cue ball arguably too hard on most of those shots. Nobody can ever prove he meant to miss, it’s merely an opinion.

@snookerworldchampionship2023

3 жыл бұрын

I suppose it’s all down to the bets placed, by close friends all on the outcomes that happened. I doubt they reviewed shots etc. Not sure if all that evidence is common place to actually see. He says in the interview he will do a tell all, not sure if that ever happened. I can’t find a newspaper article from the time.

The game with John Higgins, they where both trying to lose the game.lol Most of Stephen's shot he actually went for. Most of them rattled the pocket. Few in offs which are unpredictable so how can they be investigated as dodgy shots and most of missed shots by Stephen weren't left for his opponent.

Was all of this based on those videos or was there other supporting evidence?

@MartinParnham

3 жыл бұрын

Thousands was staked on those particular frames/matches apparently. Either of those on their own could be incidental but both at the same time was where the suspicion was. Not sure how they tied him to it though. That blue he missed in the Day match was surely suspect though; I'd have potted that and I barely know which end of the cue to hold...

@rbrb288

3 жыл бұрын

@@MartinParnham big lumps of cash we going into his wife's bank account

@something.for.everyone

3 жыл бұрын

@@rbrb288 if ur gunna accept a substancial bung then take it in cash ya numpty lee 🤦‍♂️ got wat he deserved tbf

Stephen is the best at making the ball come back out of the pockets lol I want to see him back though he has serve enough time.

@weSnooker

2 жыл бұрын

He ain’t gonna be anywhere near the level he was though

@hatesitrick

2 жыл бұрын

@@weSnooker he'll win the seniors almost certainly

@weSnooker

2 жыл бұрын

@@hatesitrick Dno

@hatesitrick

2 жыл бұрын

@@weSnooker he’s been practicing his ass off, hell shock u - but actually I reckon he will have a heart attack before he’s allowed to play again tho

@weSnooker

2 жыл бұрын

@@hatesitrick be people like mark Williams in it when Lee will be in it

Can't even watch. A disgrace to the sport. HIggins no Angel either.

What’s the difference between Lee & Higgins. Lee got banned Higgins didn’t 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

I hope Stephen lee does make a return , one of the great players from Wiltshire ❤️

@SuperKaka9191

2 жыл бұрын

So you rooting for a cheater. Should’ve been banned for life

@lorel51

2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperKaka9191 There was no proof he cheated.

@dannyH84

2 жыл бұрын

@@lorel51 I think I am boxing has been cheated with his life 😊

@liamprincetech

Жыл бұрын

@@dannyH84... And you appear to have been cheated from a full working brain

@DylanL814

8 ай бұрын

​@@lorel51hahaha of course he cheated how dumb do you have to be to think he didn't

Stephen Lee was the scapegoat cos John Higgins was/ is the bigger draw. Corrupt sport at its finest and Barry Hearne has a big thing to say on this. Both guilty here but one scapegoat

@equilibriumgaming9727

3 жыл бұрын

Both should have been banned

@mikegeer8309

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree

@dingdong289

3 жыл бұрын

@@equilibriumgaming9727 Higgins was, 20 mins I think !!

The first miss against Higgins was very believable but the last shot on the pink is such an easy positional shot, that was obvious

@Roscoe.P.Coldchain

2 жыл бұрын

Erm excuse me, they both should be banned for life, as Higgins has been found guilty of cheating himself..That’s why when snooker came on itv4 last night in Higgins was playing I turn him straight off , refuse to watch him..Two greedy players

@unknown_7148

2 жыл бұрын

@@Roscoe.P.Coldchain exactly

I think I've seen Higgins do this a few times....

I wish we would get to see or hear the evidence of bets like how much & when was these bets being made and what evidence he was involved as the shots alone don't really prove guilt

@tobytodd7545

3 жыл бұрын

How was the long plant that he went in off from in that evidence. If he’s played to pot the white there he’s the best player on the planet.

@redmd9772

3 жыл бұрын

@@tobytodd7545 He could have missed the next shot it wasn't exactly frame ball was it? Bit of luck with the in off on that shot but he had more opportunities to miss after...

Is he banned forever? probably couldn’t compete with the top players anymore, but man his cue power was insane. What a shame

@tomahawkz1238

3 жыл бұрын

When he is no longer banned he will be around 50 years old, so small chance of anything big from him

@ozzyefc44

3 жыл бұрын

Banned till 2025 I think

@okkcomputer

3 жыл бұрын

back on october 2024

@underneonloneliness2

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomahawkz1238 50 is just a number. As long everything is working right physically then it should be no issue. It’s not a very physical game like rugby is it. Just needs to warm up those Rolls Royce arms

@kb9072

2 жыл бұрын

@@underneonloneliness2 What you say makes perfect sense but isn't true. You only have to look at Steve Davis and Stephen Hendry. Two greats that once got to middle age could not play like they did during their younger years.

Hope he returns to snooker because he is a class act when on form

@johndean4765

Жыл бұрын

Graham Gray personally I would like to see him return to snooker.Although at 50 It would be difficult but he has a lot of natural ability who knows.

@grahamgray2421

Жыл бұрын

@@johndean4765 yes I agree with you,the 12 year ban was very harsh indeed,I think he will still be able to win matches if he returns

Please share the same or more detailed data or facts about the recently 7 Chinese players, i.e. Yan bintgao (in December 12, 2022), Liang Wenbo (in October 2022) and 5 players, suspended from WST.

Definitely was trying to lose against John and John knew it, and made his game go awry I believe.

@James-lm6wt

3 жыл бұрын

Deffo a pro snooker player will no when some one is chucking the match and he new

@Coneman3

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe the pie shop was closing early? I know a cheap shot right 😂

@robjj5373

2 жыл бұрын

@@James-lm6wt knew

Have you heard the expression "bought from back of the lorry" Stephen Lee's persona looks like he's the driver of the lorry. Propa crook🤔

@daddypig.5796

3 жыл бұрын

He looks like the lorry

@Coneman3

3 жыл бұрын

I think your playing into a fat bastard stereotype. How dare you! 😂

it wasn't just how some matches looked on TV, they investigated his bank and phone records and they were as dodgy as some of his play. great player, no brains.

@MijinLaw

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was going to post this. You can't judge if a player is throwing a game just on the basis of play; there have absolutely been worse chokes and shot decisions than these at the televised level. Even Stephen's opponents in this video were matching him turd for turd.

Thank you Stephen for the betting tips. Those tips paid off my house so to me you are a top bloke

Match fixing is a fundamental part of sports in general especially snooker darts boxing or in the uk anywhere you find a Hearn or his residue not that they invented it just harvested it.

It was his over the top headshaking and even smile at one of the shots that makes it obvious he was crooked. If he'd have just stayed impassive would have looked much less dodgy. If you are going to lose games much easier to be convincing being aggressive and missing long range shots to leave your opponent on at near the start of frames, and spreading the balls for your opponent. He was good at snooker but not smart enough to throw matches convincingly...

@m4rkscott

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad your not a Judge, it should never be about opinion it should be about truth

@djidroneadventures4059

Жыл бұрын

Yes

No coincidence he's playing Higgins who's been caught on camera taking bungs to fix games?. Obviously Higgins being an ex works champ can't be thrown to the wolves

@Ian-if2lf

3 жыл бұрын

John answers a question about how you would go about match fixing, that does not show any ''actual intent'' you fools. David Douglas also came to the conclusion that John was not planning to fix any matches. you tell me how someone would go about burgling a house? go on...and then I can take your reply as actual intent , just like you have with John. its such a stupid position for you to take!.

@mikerochburns4104

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ian-if2lf John AGREED to 300,000 euros to throw 4 frames during year one. John even suggested they hide the payments via a property deal in Spain. So there is your 'intent' you lying knob.

@Ian-if2lf

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikerochburns4104 the only people to see the ''real'' evidence found John not guilty - the police investigator and the guy that made the film. it would be very stupid to continue to believe anything about the corrupt news sting. very stupid. The inspector believes Johns account of events, not because the inspector is gullible?, quite the opposite, because he was thorough and used a lifetime of experience , you think he did not look into why John did not notify anyone? lol, you think your better than the inspector at his job? lmfao, he concluded that John had no idea what was going on, because of the real evidence he found, Evidence that the news of the world still keep private, John was not sure what just happened, so he was not sure what to do next, if it is the Mafia and he reports it, is his family in danger? all these things would have been going through Johns head, 6 days is not long to make sure you are doing the right thing when you are found suddenly out of your depth in a situation with powerful criminal group, will they kill one of your kids? are they watching your movements? you would be reeling, and that was the conclusion of the inspector, John was a rabbit in the headlights with no idea what just happened. How do you notify a WPBSA if you are not sure what just happened and that by doing so won't result in horror for your family? its obvious John was a victim ...end of , you can't trust the video when the guy that made it and the cop that watched the real footage says its all crap. and that is the conclusion of the investigation. answered. its only foolish to continue to believe John has any guilt, very foolish.

@mikerochburns4104

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ian-if2lf Money talks. Did OJ kill his ex wife? yes. Did he get away with it? yes.

@Ian-if2lf

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikerochburns4104 Not comparable at all, OJ did do something, John did not do anything.

I've seen top ranked players miss shots that even I could make and I haven't played a game of snooker in 50 years. Has anyone accused them of match fixing. Also seen top ranked players walk out in the middle of a match with very little said.

@redmd9772

3 жыл бұрын

You might want to actually look into the evidence not just these shots here. It's the large and unusal betting patterns that were placed, also bank account and phone records...

@FishnChips136

3 жыл бұрын

@@redmd9772 You know, I'm sure there was a types of evidence and all sorts of investigations were done but. I've found that people with money can do anything they want to discredit a person. Bottom line is I still don't see any obvious effort to miss shots. I have seen other" topranked" players seemingly miss shots without any comment by the media. I wonder why that happens.

@redmd9772

3 жыл бұрын

@@FishnChips136 Seriously why would WST bring themselves into disrepute and tarnish their own reputation just to discredit Stephen Lee?! Seriously just have a look at the actual evidence don't make your mind up from a few selected shots on here. Remember most these shots were not actually frame ball shots he could have missed at any opportunity by just going for shots pinching the pockets but the most damning evidence you need to see is the betting patterns, bank accounts and phone records...

@johnmitchell2269

2 жыл бұрын

@@FishnChips136 Lee's wife was placing bets of ten grand a go on him to lose (lose the matches that he actually ended up losing).

Funny watching Lee play Higgins given what we saw of Higgins do on that News of the World video. Makes you wonder.

Take a bung Higgins & bet on my self Lee a hard match to predict considering they were both trying to loose

The Higgins game was definitely dodgy .

@kevingreen3781

3 жыл бұрын

Can’t stand Higgins biggest cheat still playing

@ianwilliamson2980

3 жыл бұрын

@@kevingreen3781 I've never seen higgins cheat .he was scared for his life there that's all.

@kevingreen3781

3 жыл бұрын

@@ianwilliamson2980 sure he was

@ianwilliamson2980

3 жыл бұрын

@@kevingreen3781 thought it was mafia you see

The best way of reducing this would be to ban all but ‘match winner’ bets. Stop all the frame winner, first ball potted, match score etc type bets. It’s far too easy to lose a frame on purpose and still win the match, meaning no real financial risk for the player. It would be far less appealing if the loss meant forfeiting a run in a tournament and any associated ranking points. This still wouldn’t solve the problem but it would make it more difficult and a larger risk for the players. It’ll never happen though, as the multitude of smaller bet options are far too lucrative for the bookies.

So why was Stephen Lee suspended for match fixing and not Higgins when he’s a match fixer too. We’ve all seen the News Of The World video of Higgins and what did he receive a 6 month ban and £75,000 fine for hiding the fact they offered and he agreed to take £261,000 in brides for throwing 4 matches. I hate seeing Higgins win when he should have been banned too he’s the same as Stephen Lee but he has powerful friends in Snooker that got him a lenient punishment 😡🤬

@bonkersbeast

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more. I refuse to watch if he is playing.

How Higgins got away with it and Lee got hammered and his career ended is just shocking

@polaris7122

Жыл бұрын

Suppose Higgins was intent, and never actually went through with it!

@biggerissues6085

Жыл бұрын

@paul mcmullen Still very questionable though. Higgins was bang to rights, however the snooker hierarchy liked him.

@polaris7122

Жыл бұрын

@@biggerissues6085 only thing you could get Higgins with would be 'INTENT' he didn't commit the crime. Lee actually committed the crime, big difference!

@biggerissues6085

Жыл бұрын

@paul mcmullen Yes and no. Of course you're correct that Higgins didn't go through with it, however the intent to kill somebody is still punishable. OK, that is an extreme example but I still believe if this had been a more lowly ranked player, he'd have been gone. A pity really because Higgins seems a genuinely decent guy.

@carlosdeno

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100%