She sounds like Eric Idle from Monty Python doing his "drag" voice.

@MunkeyBeans1082

9 жыл бұрын

"He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy"

@stevemcniel5513

7 жыл бұрын

Deborah M terry Jones

@Redrios

6 жыл бұрын

wasn't it Jones who said it? the mother of Bwian?

@darrengray3782

5 жыл бұрын

Could not agree more, and the other one could hardly be described as a good speaker, hardly a fair match against two polished speakers ,it's almost as if someone set it up.... ....

@carlshadbolt9193

4 жыл бұрын

Stephen Fry makes my skin crawl !! With his i know everything i am right attitude !!

"They would kick him out before he tried to cross the threshold." How FUCKING TRUE is that. Brilliant... Brilliant...

@wolfthequarrelsome504

3 жыл бұрын

How not true. .. And dumb.

Stephen Fry V. Dolores Umbridge

@TheCaptainJade

7 жыл бұрын

It even sounds like her...

@onlycorndog6322

3 жыл бұрын

The Church to its Followers: "Because deep down, you know that you deserve to be punished. Don't you?"

@FactStorm

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO

@FactStorm

3 жыл бұрын

@@onlycorndog6322 LMAO so true

@MashabaZA

3 жыл бұрын

Early

can we all take a minute to be impressed with the creativity and talent of the person who does these? damn. way to go.

Widdecombes voice makes my ears bleed with her haughty shrill harpy sound

@MichaelJohnsenOslo

9 жыл бұрын

thinktankmultimedia Glad I'm not the only one. She sounds like a parody of ancient, prude, pompus royalty.

@darrengray3782

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, almost as if they were set up !

@carlshadbolt9193

4 жыл бұрын

Stephen fry makes my skin crawl !! His i am right everyone else is wrong attitude make me feels sick to the core !! vile creatures act like he does !! i pity him !!

@carlshadbolt9193

4 жыл бұрын

let me ask you one thing if you think Stephen fry is so right and the Christian faith is so wrong !! regardless to whatever you believe why did the creature create male and female in every creation??? If Stephen is so right the surely the creator wouldnt have bothered to create male and female to reproduce ...... Animals and Human reproduce !! that means !! male and female have sexual intercourse to reproduce !! With out the happening no one or anything gets reproduced fact !! so the creator is wrong if you believe Stephens theory !! well there woul dbe no Stephen if this was the case !! maybe stephen should think about that fact !!

@22grena

4 жыл бұрын

Stop watching porn you degenerate.

her voice makes my ears hurt, her logic makes my brain hurt

@wolfthequarrelsome504

3 жыл бұрын

What about the content of her words? Katt Isn't that the important part?

@beefandbarley

2 жыл бұрын

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 What content? She’s an apologist for an organization that destroys people while saying it’s god’s will. What a bunch of self serving crap. If there is a hell, the whole Catholic hierarchy is going there.

@bunkyman8097

Жыл бұрын

She has no logic.

I can't stop laughing at Ann Noreen Widdecombe's voice! It sounds like some sort of over the top demented puppet caricature of the Queen. Monty Python couldn't have invented a more ridiculous character!

@BSE1320

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like shes in need of Biggus Dickus.

@mikeomata9582

3 жыл бұрын

@@BSE1320 this comment made my day. I love the life of brian.

@usware5240

2 жыл бұрын

It’s like she’s a double agent who’s job it is to sabotage the Catholic Church with her shrill voice alone.

@malcolmking9047

Жыл бұрын

How misogynistic and hateful is the commentator who "Can't stop laughing at Ann Widdecome's voice" May I say, as classroom teacher both in the UK and the USA, that no state education curriculum would be allowed to include such material as in any way a part of "intelligence sqared. " Personally I would classify it as "Intelligence grossly Perverted "

@malcolmking9047

Жыл бұрын

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On no single point did Annie even come close to win. The entry and exit polls of the audience at that debate are staggering. Great animation also, really adds a lot.

@edbadyt

9 жыл бұрын

Her side lost something like 260 to 1700. Might be a bit wrong with the numbers but not much. The full debate is on youtube.

@carlshadbolt9193

4 жыл бұрын

let me ask you one thing if you think Stephen fry is so right and the Christian faith is so wrong !! regardless to whatever you believe why did the creature create male and female in every creation??? If Stephen is so right the surely the creator wouldnt have bothered to create male and female to reproduce ...... Animals and Human reproduce !! that means !! male and female have sexual intercourse to reproduce !! With out the happening no one or anything gets reproduced fact !! so the creator is wrong if you believe Stephens theory !! well there woul dbe no Stephen if this was the case !! maybe stephen should think about that fact !!

@doublaich5990

4 жыл бұрын

@@carlshadbolt9193 you sound like a raving lunatic.

@aNuclearFarmer

3 жыл бұрын

@@carlshadbolt9193 Is Stephen not allowed to be gay because if his parents were gay Stephen would not exist? What does that have to do with anything?

@piccolo917

3 жыл бұрын

@@carlshadbolt9193 Well, I don't think there is a creator to begin with, but let's ignore that for a minute. In animals, it is almost universal to have a male and female form of each creature (there are some rare mutations that allow species to reproduce asexually), but look outside the kingdom animalia and you can see a whole plethora of sexes: most plants are both male and female, fungi have thousands of genders and the vast majority of species don't have genders (bacteria and archea, just to name a few ten's of millions of species). So if God thought it essential to have male and female for each species, he failed in that regard for the vast, vast majority of species on earth. But that's not really your point, now is it? Your point is that "well if Stephen thinks being gay is something that is so great, then how come he doesn't have his own children with his partner? OH WAIT! he can't since you need a man and woman for that! Ha! check mate!" Thing is, that is not even close to Stephen's point. He is more than aware of that fact. His point is that he shouldn't be called evil just for being born gay. And your... let's call it an argument doesn't counter that. It doesn't come even somewhat close.

I am a former Roman Catholic priest, thank you Christopher Hitchens, entering seminary in 1995 in New York pre-Internet. If I had known then…

Although I quite like animations such as these (like the RSA animations), I would much recommend everyone to watch the whole debate. It is *very* entertaining and quite informative. Fry and Hitchens team up for some truly devastating blows against the "One True Church".

@carlshadbolt9193

4 жыл бұрын

that same Hitchens that now is of faith !! yeah he even proves and says he was wrong !!

@787maggie

Жыл бұрын

You mean by the usual insults

@Labgorgremlin

Жыл бұрын

@@carlshadbolt9193 The Hitchens in this debate is Christopher Hitchens who died of cancer in 2011. The Hitchens you're thinking of is his brother Peter.

This short was brilliant. I'd love to see more of them covering a range of debates.

There is no good that the Catholic Church has done that couldn't be done in a secular way, with the incredible benefit of having no harmful baggage to undo that good.

@91Durktheturk

6 жыл бұрын

Indeed. The French Terror, North Korea, Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, Pol Pot's Cambodja have all demonstrated that.

@91Durktheturk

5 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminnass5774 ***Of course those are secular right?** No, they were atheist regimes. A secular country means that the state is neutral towards religion/life philosophies. These countries were not neutral towards religion at all. ***they didn't believe in supernatural things like their leaders are holy or that they can produce miracles, they don't adore like the religious do their god.*** True. ***I cant believe I was like this at some point in my life, I would like to get rid of all these racists, stupid, religious nuts but I know that they are the product of their environment and upbringing.*** Eh, what do you mean here? ***Its just that when people say things like nazi germany was secular... you need to be blind or a dum cunt.*** The Nazi Germany regim was sort of atheist in its nature. Historians agree that Hitler was an atheist, as well as other high ranked Nazi’s (e.g. Goebbels, Himmler).

@benjaminnass5774

5 жыл бұрын

I thought you meant secular because atheist just means that one doesnt believes the claim that there is a god. Wich tells you nothing about the person or state with that information alone. Unless you are trying to somehow connect atheism with being evil. What I meant by saying that you are not entirely to blame since you are probably religious because of how you were raised, is that even though you think that having someone thrown to eternal torture just for never knowing the word of that particular god is a good and just act, or not able to recognize evidence and reason even if hit you in the face, it doesnt mean you are fully responsible for that. My guess is that you were indoctrinated and told that believing something with no evidence whatsoever is a virtue since you were young, so I can understand how that can be hard to leave behind and face family and friends who are in your same cult.

@91Durktheturk

5 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminnass5774 ***I thought you meant secular because atheist just means that one doesnt believes the claim that there is a god. Wich tells you nothing about the person or state with that information alone.** I fear this confusion is my fault, since I reacted to a statement about secularism. When you look at the opposite of religion, namely atheism, one cannot argue that atheism has a particular good trackrecord. With regards to secularism, I am not quite sure how this is better than religion. I’d say you have several forms of it. For instance, Saddam Hussein and Bashar al Assad were/are in charge of secular regimes, the Shah in Iran was a secular regime. All these regimes have a pretty poor track record with regards to human rights. Secularism in Europe is different fortunately, though I would again argue that they have a poor track record compared to religion. With the introduction of all kinds of liberal policies the role of the family has diminished and this causes great harm all around Europe (e.g. children growing up in broken families). Secular philosophies usually do not care that much about morality and about imposing an objective moral system. Moral degradation is usually what follows. The statement by the initial writer of this thread is thus wrong. Religion provides superior outcomes when compared to atheism or secularism. I live nearby a monastery for instance, which has helped the poor in periods of extreme poverty, not only materially, but also spiritually. Secular regimes have nothing spiritual to offer, yet humans have spiritual needs. Anyways, if we use the ‘pure’ definition of secularism, then there is no government or moral system that can be branded as being secular. Secularism means neutrality with regards to religion/life philosophies. No regime is neutral towards these things. I think the honest comparison is to look at religion versus liberalism. I would say religion provides a more comprehensive and coherent system of society compared to liberalism. The outcomes of a religious society are usually better as well. There is more cohesion between people, family life is strong, which creates a good basis voor economic success and psychological wellbeing. The individualism associated with liberalism has created many problems in European societies, the breakdown of families etc. ***Unless you are trying to somehow connect atheism with being evil.*** Atheism does not have a particular good track record, so it is quite easy to connect it with evil. Especially because atheism logically implies that morality is not absolute. Absolute morality only exists in a theistic worldview. This means that things like ‘thou shalt not kill’ are not absolute values, but subjective values in an atheistic worldview. And in societies where atheism/agnosticism is successful, you usually see a moral degrading of general norms in a society. Europe has suffered massively from this. ***What I meant by saying that you are not entirely to blame since you are probably religious because of how you were raised, is that even though you think that having someone thrown to eternal torture just for never knowing the word of that particular god is a good and just act, or not able to recognize evidence and reason even if hit you in the face, it doesn't mean you are fully responsible for that.*** Please keep your smugness for yourself. I can say exactly the same thing about an atheist/agnostic person, since many of them have never chosen to be atheist/agnostic, but were raised that way. Also, it is extremely stupid to state that evidence and reason would lead to an atheistic worldview, as the question on whether God exists is not a scientific question, but a philosophical one. ***My guess is that you were indoctrinated and told that believing something with no evidence whatsoever is a virtue since you were young, so I can understand how that can be hard to leave behind and face family and friends who are in your same cult.*** Eh, you do not know me. I live in an extremely secular country (the Netherlands), all my friends are atheist. Who are you to state this nonsense, without knowing anything about me? Also, atheists/agnosts believe many things for which there is no objective evidence, e.g. the value of human rights, morality etc. What is your point exactly?

@carlshadbolt9193

4 жыл бұрын

your ignorance holds no bounds !! If it could be done in this secular way then why hasnt it be done ???????

I don't think anybody on either side of the debate watched it and said "Damn! Widdecombe really schooled that crowd on hermeneutics!"

Ann Widecombe's defence of the Catholic church is akin to stating Jimmy Saville was a force for good!

@magnuspeacock5857

5 жыл бұрын

_He did entertained millions of children across the world!_ *This is sarcasm, do not take literally.*

@jasoncaulkin9830

4 жыл бұрын

Glenn Carr Or making Saville - Minster for Children.

@carlshadbolt9193

4 жыл бұрын

WTF !! are you for real !! you ignorant fool !! The actions of man cannot be held against the church or the faith ! you are truly ignorant to say the least !! So a family that has a criminal within it is as guilty as the criminal??? that is what you are saying !! foolish people say foolish things !! and you are foolish !!

@pinklady7184

3 жыл бұрын

I am Catholic and I believe in imposing transparency on church. I do not support child molesters hiding inside Catholic Church. If I were a mother, I would be in horror if a paedophile priest were to baptise my child (or children), and no way would I ever let any paedophile priest near my child or any other child. Children are precious. They are so innocent and defenceless.

@rubberlegs15

3 жыл бұрын

@@pinklady7184 I agree. Unfortunately, some 7% of them have been implicated, a worrying figure for any parent. Better safe than sorry and to not trust a priest with a minor: www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2017/02/05/catholic-church-under-royal-commission-spotlight_a_21707512/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEtCagYhP1fdRZ2q2wmTg1krt89C5zqKg_28Ih6iNef43VJZxzQcCzpDjZy2uq0n2Ajw-R10tlIlxc7tn0BZzp2s_d24JN5YyUnmgGShagGd8GSfLdVVI2o4bvwTxs_M1PNp9kJji4KFj9_9312hjLB2_OKOLQTyMnmZ3xcPuCuh

I’m waiting for the second coming and if my wife keeps doing what she’s doing it will be in about 15 mins.

@22grena

4 жыл бұрын

Libido Dominandus. Sexual revolution as political control. Read E Michel Jones and understand why as St Augustine said " a man has as many masters as he has vices (see addictions).

@wolfthequarrelsome504

3 жыл бұрын

You mean your boyfriend?

@margob6203

3 жыл бұрын

@@joejasat The ability to understand humour is sorely lacking in society today. Too many people take themselves way too seriously.

@chonk_fox89

2 жыл бұрын

And I'm sure the church would be like "hey dude at least it's with a chick in the bonds of holy matrimony, right? Go forth my son, maybe even a fifth if you have the energy..."

@markgearing

2 жыл бұрын

Then for God’s sake put down your ’phone, man!

This lady´s old voice sounds like the wicked Witch of the West. Who in their right mind can believe in religion of any kind? Thank you Stephen Fry and thank you for being YOU

@teenherofilms

7 жыл бұрын

Surely it is what you have inside yourself, your spirituality, not "belief systems" that can determine your place in an afterlife, surely the whole idea of someone "saving you" throws all the responsibility on someone else, you dont have to do anything, it is ridiculous and defies logic

I think this animation is excellent! Scriberia should be commissioned to animate the entire debate!

It takes Ann Widdecombe several minutes to convince you she is correct, it takes Steven Fry seconds.

@Emmalt1

5 жыл бұрын

Several minutes! I'm still not convinced.

@carlshadbolt9193

4 жыл бұрын

Totally disagree !! I think Stephen Fry is a i am right only me is right kind of guy !! he speaks like a fool and because he has been taught to be able to act and write people actually believe him to be right regardless... That same man had to gull to say anyone that voted to leave the EU was uneducated ignorant and indeed racist !! he wasnt right then and he isnt right now !!

@22grena

4 жыл бұрын

Yes like an organism you have as many masters as you have vices

I watched the actual speeches on another video here on YT. This is such a nice collection of statements and points (GO! STEPHEN!)...wonderful illustrations. Well done!

This intelligence squared debate was great and these parts have been so well animated. Don't mess with the Fry! We need more out-spoken intellectuals like you in the world, Stephen xx

@wolfthequarrelsome504

3 жыл бұрын

He's a wannabe frustrated Catholic .. Just like his hero. .Oscar Wilde who converted to Catholicism late in life who once said: "It takes a little pain to let Christ in"

Ha Ha! Medicine = don't wear condoms. Education = believe in things without evidence, oh and prayer is a good use of your time. Give your money to Doctors without Borders.

@22grena

4 жыл бұрын

Perfect controlled tool of Jewish cultural marxism. Hopefully you will wake up.

@pinklady7184

3 жыл бұрын

I am Catholic and I say *USE THE CONDOMS.* Which is better, condoms or abortions? Why bring children into the world of poverty, famine, war, crimes, etc? Why bring children into poverty and deprivation? Sorry, guys, you must wear condoms, if you can't control your urges.

@pinklady7184

3 жыл бұрын

M B Come to Ireland where you would see lots of unwedded Catholic mothers over here. Majority of us Irish are Catholics and we have times rebelled against the Vatican, especially its scandals of child sex abuses. I am Catholic and two of my unmarried sisters are mothers to their fine illegitimate children.

@chidozieezeome2847

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry, but your statements show you have little or no understanding of Catholic teaching. 1. The use of condoms encourages sex outside of marriage - that one can have sexual enjoyment without the natural end of the act, which is life. 2. St. Josemaria, the founder of Opus Dei, an organization in the Catholic Church, taught that, for us who live in the middle of the world, in the hustle and bustle of every day activity, work becomes prayer.

@pinklady7184

3 жыл бұрын

Chidozie Ezeome my married parents have 7 sisters and 1 brother. Some married parents have up to 15 children and that many is a burden on finances. Now, some married parents are using condoms or other contraceptives to keep down the numbers of pregnancies. Condoms and contraceptives are infinitely better than abortions.

Widdecombe's argument at about 4:20 in relation to the Inquisition is flawed. She says all of Europe did this in relation dealing with criminals and traitors. The Inquisition did not deal with traitors nor did it deal with criminals, its sole duty was to investigate charges stating that a Jew [or any previously non-Christian] who said he or she had converted had truly renounced his or her faith and followed Catholic teachings. Their actions where in fact different to those of the rest of Europe.

@alanwhitham6429

4 жыл бұрын

The Church should be judged on how it's behaviour reflects Christ's teachings . In any it would fail that test .

@wolfthequarrelsome504

3 жыл бұрын

@@alanwhitham6429 in what way?

@wolfthequarrelsome504

3 жыл бұрын

I agree that she ran horribly past the "Inquisition" part admitting that is was a "HORRIBLE" thing. She had poor or no knowledge of it so she avoided it. I will presume that we are talking about the Spanish Inquisition as you mention Jews converting to Christianity. Suffice it to say these "conversos" has gained many positions of prominence in Spanish society and even high positions of influence in the Royal Court itself. That is why the Spanish Crown implemented and ran the Spanish Inquisition.... Will I say that again.? The Spanish government ie.. The Spanish Crown.. started and ran the Spanish inquisition. The bigotry associated with the Spanish Inquisition was primarily an invention of Protestant England and Europe which sought to conflate Spanish militarism with catholicism ..a myth that has persisted through the ages until recently. It even has a name now..."the black legend" and historical documents both in Spain and in the Vatican recently released have debunked most claims of its detractors.

@richardhall206

2 жыл бұрын

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 Well, that's one version of history, I suppose, but not one shared by those historians interested in actual history rather than the promotion of the Catholic church.

I was brought up as a catholic but, like most people in the UK, I am an atheist.

@22grena

4 жыл бұрын

Are you still an idiot or have you realised your mistake?

@carlshadbolt9193

4 жыл бұрын

i pity you !! you do not believe in a creator yet everything was created !!

@chidozieezeome2847

3 жыл бұрын

@- you don't need to believe. With God, everything is a choice. I just pray, for your sake and the rest of the Atheists out there, that you're not wrong.

@wolfthequarrelsome504

3 жыл бұрын

@- ok... Catholics don't literally read the Bible and the old testament ( which is most of ithe Bible) has to be read in accordance with the words of Jesus to be acceptable to Catholics. So all the enslavement and slaying in the old testament is not binding on Catholics but is a history of the struggles of the Jewish people which brought them to the point where the Messiah was born.

@CedricHaindl

3 жыл бұрын

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 So what relevance does the bible then have for catholics?

Man, Fry brings the hammer down in this debate. If you haven't seen the whole thing it is well worth the time. Hitchens is good as usual but Fry's anger and passion really fuel his arguments and he just lays utter waste to Widdecombe.

Stephen Fry > Ann Widdecombe

@22grena

4 жыл бұрын

If > means degenerate poo poker.

@alessonlearnt

3 жыл бұрын

22grena oh wow the wit!! How smart are you? You should be up there on stage with that intellect! Fascinating point of view! You need recognition for your clear thoughts on academic, cultural and scientific advances!

I had no idea Mrs Puff from Spongebob was such a faithful Catholic

This is a terrific animation! More, please!

Nothing explains the situation of the Catholic church better than pointing out how uncomfortable Jesus would be IN a Catholic church. He threw money changers out of the temple because of their materialism. How on earth Catholics can build their cathedrals and think they're on his good side is beyond me :D.

@91Durktheturk

6 жыл бұрын

I fear you completely misunderstand that Bible story. It was about misusing the Temple, which is a sacred place, for other purposes. Jesus did not smash the statues there, he removed the marketplace that was not supposed to be there.

hahaha "...THEN WHAT ARE YOU FOR?!" awesome.

@wolfthequarrelsome504

3 жыл бұрын

We are for the salvation of souls... Even Fry's undeserving one.

love the illustration of fry at 9:55. this full debate is worth a listen as well.

I worked 10 years in Zambia where the Catholic Church has a good deal to answer for. Three cheers and three cheers more for my good friend David Simpson who spent a lifetime arguing in favour of a rational society over the superstitions of Catholicism.

@wolfthequarrelsome504

3 жыл бұрын

You need to 1. State what you are talking about 2. State what your own position is.

Isn't this the voice of some woman from the Edwardian Era? (And I don't mean Mr. Fry)

Stephen you are just great....and Christopher you were the greatest of all and sorely missed.......

Awesome job! Enjoyed this immensely :)

Why does Stephen's voice sound higher than usual; to the point where it doesn't even sound like him?

I'm not a native English speaker. However, I have to say that Stephen Fry's voice just kicks ass in terms of understanding in comparison with US pronunciation.

The animation is brilliant!

Thank you iq^2 for all the great debates you organize and even upload to youtube, where even more can enjoy them!

Boom! Fry from the Top Rope, Elbow Drop and it's over!

If anyone did a "top 10 owned moments in a debate"... that exchange between Stephen and Ann about slavery being okay and Ann saying "everyone else thought so too" and Fry replying "THEN WHAT ARE YOU FOR?" would be in that list.

Incredible Animation, tanks!

@morrieD agreed. I was just surprised that he wasn't more vocal on that front! It's pretty easy to ridicule religion but he avoids that completely which is much harder to do and much more impressive and interesting rather than getting into the usual anti-religion statements such as all gods can't exist etc. It's refreshing

this was great, thanks for posting

Team Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens 💓 Anne Widdecombe makes me want to put my foot through my laptop. 😤🤬

@unclejoeoakland

3 жыл бұрын

That's funny because I couldn't help but feel like Stephen Fry was making one after another appeal to emotion. I have to particularly say that I found his pitch on overpopulation, and shifting it to a matter ofabortion access to be disingenuous since the concept of overpopulation is inherently racist. He kinda lost me at that point.

Oh, this is simply brilliant!

let's just take a moment for the incredible animation!

@burn70u7 Very good point. This may be another example of faux 'balance', when in fact the original debate was a rout for the pro-Catholics.

Fantastic animation. Well done.

Widdecombe has obviously never heard of the the sad and nasty history of residential schools in Canada

I love this. In the start, Anne Widdecomb is defending her position with relativistic arguments, and Stephen Fry turned them around her so deftly it makes my head spin. Coup de grace- "What are you for?!"

@wolfthequarrelsome504

3 жыл бұрын

We are for the salvation is souls. even your scrawny one.

@richardlambert7159

3 жыл бұрын

Come off it, y'all. Have you never seen David Suchet trying to play Lady Bracknell?

@chonk_fox89

2 жыл бұрын

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 if you are for the salvation of souls, then what do you care what their meat caseing looks like?

great debate.. and amazing graphics

Brilliant video - thanks

@Narfmaster the motion was specifically why the Catholic Church is or is not a force for good in the world so I think the arguments were good and on point. If you think they're weak I assume you have better arguments or good reasons as to why theyre weak so please do share.

I would love that last shot as a poster

Hey, Widdecombe...GO TELL THAT TO THE RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL SURVIVORS!

@TheHardout2005 Care to detail them for us?

Brilliant narrators.

What is the name of the artist who illustrated this?

If you're going to use Wikipedia as your source try reading the whole article. Don't just cherry pick.

The catholic church is absolutely not uniquely guilty perhaps. But guilty nonetheless! There is no excuse when God can reveal to you divine, infallible and objective truth to say then, "Even so you have to judge by the standards at the time". Why? Either the Catholic church is a church blessed by God or it is not at all.

@carlshadbolt9193

4 жыл бұрын

you seems to forget one thing and it is a massive thing !! God cannot be blamed for the actions of man !! or are you saying every family that has a criminal within is guilty of the same crime?????

@golgariblightwarlock

4 жыл бұрын

@@carlshadbolt9193 actually yes he can. Because free will was given to humanity by lucifer, not by God. If God is all knowing and all powerful then he knows full well who is a criminal and who is capable of great evil and who will act on that, and yet, he allows them to exist and he allows them to act on it. Therefore he is directly to blame because that is the way that he created them. And if you wish to decide the argument that free will is a gift of God, then I remind you that humans were made in his image, if we are capable of acts of evil and crime, then so is he, otherwise we wouldn't be capable. God is a powerless coward, a dead beat dad, an absentee landlord. Only a coward would turn his tail an abandon his own creation, only a coward would run and hide from responsibility of creating something imperfect. Should God exist, he is solely responsible, for the evils in the world

@chidozieezeome2847

3 жыл бұрын

@@golgariblightwarlock this statement is massively wrong. And it's either you don't understand what free will is, or your just saying nonsense. Eve would have told Lucifer no if she didn't have free will.

@chidozieezeome2847

3 жыл бұрын

@- But he gave men the ten commandments. Anyone who lives by all of these commandments, at the least he or she will live a responsible life. But because God has given men free will, he will force no one to obey him.

@chidozieezeome2847

3 жыл бұрын

@@golgariblightwarlock sorry, but you can't remove personal responsibility from a man. You forget that God gave us the ten commandments. Now, it is up to each man to obey or disobey the commandments of God.

So excellent...more, more!

I imagine Dolores Umbridge speaking as Widdlecombe...

Anne confused “Abraham’s bosom” ie the waiting for Christ before the resurrection spot, with Limbo. Some in the Church taught limbo, while some like Gregory of Nyssa said of course babies go to heaven, why not? Still others taught that the babies would simply go to hell.

@johnwaniandy2945

5 ай бұрын

Rock my Soul, in the Bosom of Abraham.

Bloody excellent!

Excellent!

@Met0llicA i do believe that you are mistaken. In fact many priests from all over the world were not born into the Catholic Church but converted later on. In fact I know of a priest who was raised Baptist and another who did not believe in God at all before he converted as an adult.

Great animation.

You are my favorite comment for the year so far.

'Im'a get your lucky charms!' Has a whole new meaning...

Excellent.

6:34 Ladies and gentleman, I give you Ivan Kazamazov and (partially) St. Jerome.

@iamadamsusername That's what I meant by rhetorical capabilities ;) But yeah, it's good to put it bluntly as well :D

The irony of this whole debate is that Stephen Fry is actually God!

@beefandbarley

2 жыл бұрын

Love it. : )

Brilliant !

Fry "The church is Implacably opposed to women's choices" Virgin Mary who chose to be the mother of God just smiles.

@j.umh1687

3 жыл бұрын

She was also a child...another fucked up thing about the church

@j.umh1687

3 жыл бұрын

She was also a child...another fucked up thing about the church

@dennisgoatimer1079

2 жыл бұрын

Oh I cant wait for a female pope then but oh wait they be killed or punished at the very least for the trickery.

lol'd a bit at their faces in the beginning

And of course it was possible to pay for your admittance to heaven. A true Kingdom of Heaven

I love that the depiction of the torturers of the Inquisition are modelled on the torturers of Monty Python's Spanish Inquisition sketch... moustaches and pointy beards included!! Tee hee!!

I have to agree about her voice, it grates on the nerves, even if she might have something good to say, I don't want to hear it because of that voice! Stephen is so articulate and puts forward a great argument, hers is just rhetoric, like many of the comments on here.

For me it's all summed up in that brilliant exclamation "Then what are you FOR?" If you hold the eternal truth then why does it change? I know some very nice Catholics but I find it difficult to reconcile myself to what their church believes in.

@carlshadbolt9193

4 жыл бұрын

educated by biased selected sound bites !! no the fact that the guy Fry was with fighting against the faith Hitchens is now of the catholic faith !! fools paradise !!

aweonsome stephen really put his point across there. it is so true what he is saying .

I also went to a Catholic school, the main thing we had a escape from was a 'dicky back' ride from one of the priests or trying to avoid them in the showers. So glad I'm a devout Atheist, .and well said Steven Fry.

He did! see the entire event! its worth it!!!

@JJPHILLYLG What? Are you public school teachers in a union then?

Its hard to explain but Widdecombes sounds exactly how I picture Professor Umbridge to sound like in the books

@imrepohl Aquinas held one sort of position on limbo. He wasn't the first or only one to suggest something of the sort. But, Thomas Aquinas was determined to be incorrect about a few other propositions his made, too. Aquinas was a highly regarded theologian and philosopher, but that doesn't mean that every speculation he ever made became Catholic doctrine.

morality is not a concept controlled by democracy, it is controlled by the rule of law and the understanding of human rights, justice and ethics

Was that Prof. Minerva McGonagall talking? :-)

Bravo! Keep it up.

I also sent a letter to canterbury cathederal about the vision i was given from the lord .no lie ever comes from the LORD THE LORD CANNOT LIE

@dude157 yes but I was hoping that it was going to be one of those comedy Cassette Boy mash ups, would have been really funny!

The woman sounds like a monty python character

@joedias7946

Жыл бұрын

Pedro you would have been in Stitches if you saw her trying to dance. In come dancing the show on TV.

@yurianne07 hehehe, it's a British men comedy troupe that used to imitate women by doing really, really shrill voices.

@Sohfire It was done by Scriberia

I'm a Christian, but don't have a church for the very reasons that Stephen Fry highlights. Excellent debate.

@carlshadbolt9193

4 жыл бұрын

Stephen Fry is against faith full stop !! he doesnt believe in the creator !! he blames people fpr being ignorant for believin in God or a creator !! he actuallly mocks you for beng Christian !! The creator produce male and female fr a reason to reproduce !! and only male and female can do this !! fact without this Stephen wouldnt be here but he is against that idea !! There was no debate !! it was a gay against the faith !! and chosen sound bites !! the real debate was Hitchens and Fry against the faith !! yet now hitchens is of faith the catholic faith and says openly he was wrong "

@dennisgoatimer1079

2 жыл бұрын

@@carlshadbolt9193 Hitchens is dead and proberly not of faith still but I aint a witch so I wouldn't know. You do know that plants are both male and female in that one entity not to mention bacteria and other things like this. The actual debate was whether the Catholic Church was a force for good spoiler alert the audience didn't think so.

Oh very very good.

I have written letters too rev justin welby and boris johnston when in office about the vision i had ..

Amen

@bv90andy Sorry about that. Stevesbros isn't my personal account, that's why I replied again. Anyway, it's true that a lot of things could be open to interpretation, but the commandments and a lot of Jesus's quotes are pretty clear. I would say that the catholic church simply ignored them all when it was convenient.

I met Anne several times whilst she was an M.P. for Maidstone in Kent and had the misfortune to accompany her on her Christmas Day visits to the hospital ward on which I worked as a sister. She was truly as awful, arrogant and insincere as I'd anticipated, lacking in the most basic of social skills, unempathetic, awkward and unamiable; it was indeed an embarrassing challenge to find any patient willing to meet her or shake her hand. Her parting gift - a tin of 'Houses of Parliament' humbugs!