I love your videos. I also love Nick Ienatsch and his teachings. But I simply can’t understand your dogmatic insistence that you should NEVER OVERLAP THROTTLE AND BRAKE!!!! THE WORLD WILL END IF THERE IS A MILLISECOND OF OVERLAP!!! I’m sorry but imo this is just inappropriate and frankly wrong. There are plenty of outstanding riders who use the technique very well-it smooths the transition between brake and throttle and keeps the suspension stable. Lee Parks and Freddy Spenser advocate the technique. I’ll bet YOU have overlapped brake throttle and didn’t even realize you did it. I’m not talking about grabbing brake while still at significant throttle. It’s a very subtle, gradual transition that may last a fraction of a second. It’s very unlike you to be so dogmatic (although I do love your dog, Chase!). I understand Nick can be dogmatic-I get it-he’s awesome and I guess has earned the right to act like the final word in riding. But to say that there should NEVER be overlap sounds an awful lot like the dogma “never use your brakes in a turn”. Be very careful using the word NEVER. You’ll likely be wrong. I love your videos and please take this in the most positive light-from a very experienced rider who learns every time out and from every source he can. I hope this sparks positive debate and not negative flame throwers. I’m just relating what I feel to be the truth. Thanks.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

So I totally understand where you are coming from, but here's some context for you. This is what Nick said about this since he was the lead instructor at the Freddie Spencer High Performance Riding School from its inception to its close: “Freddie was misquoted on this technique and we spoke about it at length. His technique was overlapping throttle and rear brake on the peaky three-cylinder two-stroke 500, as a pre-electronic traction control. He spoke about it at schools but it was printed in a book incorrectly. "In terms of overlapping front brake and throttle, Freddie laughed and talked about 'almost' overlapping them…going from brake to throttle, and throttle to brake, in minimum time…and then he made a point of how important 'almost' is in our two-wheeled world. I hope this explains the misunderstanding that is out there". -Nick Ienatsch Every single professional racer I've spoken with says to never do it. Sylvan Guintoli, on his KZread channel, says never to do it. And I can tell you, the few times I've accidentially done it at speed on the track; it's not a good thing. With the rear tire pushing the front you end up with an unbalanced bike that doesn't want to turn and doesn't want to slow down. This causes a lot of riders to run off the track. If a technique doesn't work at speed or when grip is down, I'm going to advocate against it, especially since, in this case, that technique was based on a misunderstanding.

@Ramon51650

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers I'm glad that you take the time to elaborate because it/I caused it to happen last weekend and it was, well disconcerting. For a brief second it was a bronco bike.

@Dreddingbath

Жыл бұрын

@@Ramon51650 good debate, what can I add for what it’s worth… one thing is that being aware of these things for me is half the battle, which is why I feel it is important as well as enjoyable to watch and enjoy CChsrs and others. What do I find works for me, I find dragging or dabbing the rear brake whilst at low ish throttle openings give useful fine tuning, sometimes releasing the throttle for the same effect can be jerky and upset the balance. I don’t think I ever apply front on throttle, that doesn’t sound or feel right to me.

@sqlb3rn

Жыл бұрын

At the end of the day it's your bike, feel free to ride however you want... just don't teach others.

@Dr.Twisty

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your thoughtful reply and pinning the comment. Here’s the thing: Both you and Nick don’t exclusively teach for the track. In fact, you both do a wonderful job emphasizing how techniques like trail braking make street riding safer. Your explanation of avoiding overlapping brake and throttle really mostly pertains to track riding. And there’s a HUGE difference between riding an R1 on a track you’ve ridden around 100’s, even 1000’s of times, and mountain twisties you’ve never been on. Yes, Profesional racers don’t overlap brake and throttle-and that’s because 1)they are better than I am, and 2)they know to the inch where the apex is, where to ease off brake and roll on throttle. On mountain twisties you’ve never ridden, you don’t have that luxury. Trees and mountainsides often block your view into the turn. The transition from brake to throttle can be very prolonged because the turn information often takes time to discern. A subtle, overlap between brake and throttle in that situation is a fantastic way to smooth out the transition while keeping the suspension beautifully stable. Just my $0.02. More Chase the Motodog cameos please!

Thank you for your continued leadership in busting the myths around trailbraking. I can relate to going around a hairpin turn that without trailbraking I would have been been over the edge of a cliff, even from a dead stop in 1st gear. It's the ultimate example of why trailbraking is an important skill.

@gnarthdarkanen7464

Жыл бұрын

When I was 15, my riding coach brought me up to the top of Stoney Mountain... It's between Elizabethton and Shady Valley in East Tennessee (in case you'd like to Street-view it if that's possible)... He unloaded two motorcycle frames from his truck, and let his wife drive the truck back down... We took those old bike frames down Stoney with NOTHING... There was no battery, motor, clutch... JUST front and rear brakes... and a LOT of dubious twisty roads... That first time, it was terrifying... I ditched it a couple times... After about 5 or 6 runs, I was used to what it took, precisely to work with the brakes, both front and rear, with confidence and precision... AND I've developed the habit of hitting a parking lot a few extra times if I get new boots... Even the same kind I had before, just going from "broke in" to "new" in condition is enough to want to renew your sense of the rear brake and shift lever. ;o)

@loopertrooper6671

Жыл бұрын

100% rule applies when trail braking. In bad situations don’t be afraid to stand it up straight and get on the brakes hard. (To condition including traffic, of course).

I had the pleasure of reading through this entire thread, and it was handled in such a professional matter that I've learned more from this video than many others. Canyon chasers does an excellent job at presenting material and the fact that champ school chimed in and Peter also kept things very civil with some sincere questions made this quite enlightening. Much hope for the motorcycle community. Kudos to all of you!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this comment!! 🙏

The concept and understanding of 100 pts of traction (and thusly, trail braking) made an incredible improvement in my riding. For those of you who don’t know- your tires have 100% traction going straight on a level road. The more you add braking, you’re using up some of those 100 points. Add lean angle, and you’re using more of them. The idea is to progressively decrease braking as you’re adding lean angle, so that the smoothness of the action maintains whatever percentage of your 100 points you’re using remains consistent. You want to add and subtract traction points at a steady rate upon braking, lean, then acceleration.

First let me thank you for a great video. Wish I had had things like this available to learn back in the early 70's. I learned about using the front brake out of need when into a corner way too fast. I knew about squeezing the front brake so there was no fear of using it and I found I could use only a small amount of front brake and change the speed pretty dramatically. I found a few down hill curvy roads that were simply exhilarating when one learned to ride down them pushing it just a bit and "saving" one's self by using good braking procedures. Once you knew where to apply front brake lightly, you found out you could "push" the bike a bit faster. I no longer ride this fast as 74 year old bones and injuries heal a lot slower than young bodies, or it it just self preservation? LOL!!! Please keep up the good work as you are teaching folks techniques that can and do save lives.

Excellent video, Steve, as always. I was riding in the Italian Dolomites this May and if only i would have known this a couple of months earlier, I would have enjoyed the downhill rides so much more!

I once went on a crazy downhill ride. There was no road, only rubbles. The road was real step. I had to use both brakes plus keep the bike in 1st gear and leave the clutch to slow down the bike. The main thing you have to prevent from happening is not let the bike slide. You are gone for good if the bike slides as there nothing to protect you from 100+m drop. And I did it all in road tyres.

Nice video, it's a lesson that needs sharing. I was on a group ride on a mountain road in Western NC, and the gentleman in front of me had been to several California Superbike Schools. On a steep downhill turn he applied the brake on the straight, came off the brake for the turn, and headed straight for the grille of an oncoming Mustang (who fortunately saw him coming and stopped). He was pretty shaken and at lunch I told him he needed to learn how to trail brake, but it was very hard for him to undo those lessons that had been drilled into him.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

This is the exact scenario that I faced years ago that made me rethink riding. Fortunately I had a buddy who worked for the Freddie Spencer school, and here I am, trying to share that wisdom with the world! Thanks for the comment!

Have been applying your technique this weekend in the German Eifel region. Feels a lot safer and added more fun to my experience. Thank you for sharing the knowledge and making the effort for creating these pleasant to watch videos!

So much wisdom as always, love how you went through and answered every question

Great video as usual. And with regards to your closing statement about not relying on hope, I am reminded of a saying we use in diving (and general outdoor pursuits), "Hope is not a good plan". So yeah, fully agree!

Awesome!! This is the perfect situation to trail brake! I LOVE these corners now that I know how it works. It's the first and last 5% of brake pressure that does it and these turns are the best place to practice. I have touched in a bit of rear brake if the radius tightened faster than I was comfortable but I only used a few times as a bailout.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Right?!? It suddenly doesn't matter. Uphill, down, decreasing radius. A little bit of front brake pressure and they are all fun!

@CurtisBrandt

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers Absolutely! These concepts have made my riding fun, 100% of the time!

Yet more Canyon Chasers gold! you're the one who got me trail braking. I use it all the time now. Its saved my bacon more than once. Thanks!

Thank you so much for these videos. I really enjoy how clear and concise you are in your explanations. Your tips are that of a smart experienced rier, that's who I want to follow. You rock!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thank you for this video. I live in a mountain village that has only one road going up to it that is quite steep and has lots of pointy turns. It was frustrating when I looked up youtube videos on how to drive up and down steep corners but in every video the corners are not that sharp at all or the incline is not necessarily very steep either. Your video is the first that actually includes a corner similar to the ones we have in our village. This will definently help me when I buy my first motorcycle.

This is an excellent video all around from the talking points to the videography and examples.

Just finished highway one in Northern California. Front brake saved my butt many times. Love your instruction.

Downhill turns I don't mind so much, and I do precisely what you describe in the video. The turns that I HATE are the downhill turns that are off camber. Those scare the Hell out of me because it requires a lot more slowing down, and I often end up dragging my peg(s), which introduces a whole different level of uncertainty in the turn.

@CanyonChasers

9 ай бұрын

Yes! This means you are a smart, adaptable rider.

Just did some switchbacks on 16 from Medina to Kerrville near the 3 sisters in TX and was my first time attempting these maneuvers and add in the washboard road surface. Wit a car behind me and marked 15 mph corners up and down just sent it near 15 MPH as recommended by a pastor of a motorcycle group. On the way down prepped and used both brakes. Fronts controlled speed into the corner towards the apex and trail braked using the rear mid corner out. Was stupid easy just had to be mindful of brake pressure and keeping speed up for control and down for the conditions and in balance this noob had a wonderful time! Nice video!

Truly appreciate this video that very clearly is saying to *never* overlap the front brake and throttle. There is so much misinformation out there (about trail braking) that we need every motorcycle vlog'er pushing the correct technique to overcome the sheer amount of bad information. The downhill street riding trail-braking discussion presented here is excellent!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Thank you and I totally agree. The signal to noise ratio in our sport it really awful. Too many people teach how they ride and then defend bad practices when they are proven wrong instead of focusing on data-driven, researched best practices that are always going to be evolving. My promise to you guys is if a new thing comes up thats better and safer, I'm not going to cling to the old thing I used to say, I'll present the better way.

@jonay9221

Жыл бұрын

I've got what may be a dumb question, I'm a relatively new rider. By saying never front brake and throttle, do you mean that you should always have the throttle fully closed before you apply the brake, or that you are do open the throttle against the brake? Thanks

@douglasbuckland8280

28 күн бұрын

Jonay, that is not a dumb question! It is commonly asked.

I've always looked at downhill = maintenance braking to control speed. The information you are providing is stellar!

Always such good content done well. Thank you

Once again, well said. Very well said! Your advice and suggestions are top tier!

Thanks for the great video. Very helpful.

Excellent advice on technique. Thank you!

Excellent advice and video - to put it simply, It works!

Thanks, I needed to see this

Woww...that is a very nice route Dave...love the view and turns 😊😊😊... and yeah... The breking tip is right.... Again thanks for a great video and great technic....

Always good information thank you 👍

Hi Dave, I made a comment in one of your earlier videos about how effective trail braking is downhill You replied to say you intended to do this video but had been thwarted owing to Covid Brilliant video Dave. The technique you describe has made me a much safer, more competent rider, with more confidence I recommend Canyon Chasers to anybody who will listen. I have learned so much from you Thank you for your effort and knowledge, I am sure you have saved many lives.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I'm a bit sad that it took us so long to get this one done, hopefully it was worth the wait.

Thanks for another great video!

Great video mate. Simple yet brutally effective

These basic riding principles for cornering are so important and well explained, thank you! I try to explain this to previous riding buddies, but they just can't accept the fact you use the front brake to manage speed and direction going into any curve...I've given up and ride alone...that way I don't want to witness one of them wrapped around a tree or fly over a cliff.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Its really discouraging, isn't it. That so many people and programs put so much energy into making riders afraid of the most important tool we have. 😢 What really frustrates me is that it's getting riders hurt and killed.

@jimgravante6497

Жыл бұрын

It is disheartening. In the last 4 years, I've taken Lee Parks Total Control Advanced Riding Clinics 3 times (on 3 different motorcycles), I'm currently in the middle of Champ U, spend time in a parking lot AND watch Canyon Chaser Videos! At 62, I feel you can never stop learning about a Sport we are so passionate about.

Never will forget. When I first became a rider on streets. Took this road near my where I live . (I’d say it’s an intermediate level road) was going down hill. Come to a left hand off Camber bend . Was coming in too hot and started to run out of road. Panicked the HELL outta me . Truly was a terrifying experience. But a very valuable one. Instead of going home with my tail between my legs. I went back to the bend. And hit it again and again. Ever so slightly introducing trail braking into the mix. And got better and better. Embrace corners folks. Don’t fear them. It leads to nothing . And Know that SLPR is not the answer. Try to learn trail braking. It can improve your skills and more importantly literally save your life. As always thanks for the awesome uploads Dave! Always look forward to new content from you! Keep it up buddy!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

This story is excellent on several points. First, we learn when we are outside of our comfort zone. So going back to that scary corner and facing that discomfort. Totally awesome!

I’ve always cruised down Pine Canyon and used my lack of downhill cornering abilities as an excuse to scout the road for my blast back up. Going to apply some of this knowledge next time I’m out there.

This video is so useful, and your positive vibes so contagious: keep it up man, you're doing great!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a ton!

Great video 👏👏👏 I always look forward to your great instruction. I used to road race, but i admit riding through canyons with unknown roads and road conditions and adding oncoming traffic still unnerves me a little. Thanks again for all the great insight!

@CanyonChasers

11 ай бұрын

That unnerved feeling is the right thing to be feeling!! It’s risky out there.

Just started to learn to ride and this video was very needed. Hope my confidence gets up to corner downhill

G'day again, Dave. Good vid and explainer. Once again, I'd say to anyone who doesn't get this, go ride an MTB down a steep muddy hill with a tight bend in it. You'll get it straight away... Btw, nice to see someone out doing this on a damp road, with traff coming the other way. You know, the real world. Kudos, dude.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Yes. MTB teaches us so many great things!

I'm currently traversing the Colorado Rockies and I absolutely swear by this technique!!!

Excellent and correct info!

Love this Chanel, thanks for the great advice.🇺🇸🏍

Thanks! Returning to ride at 70 after a 6year hiatus hitting a dear. Took champ u on line. U add a useful (to me ) dimension to road riding in the twisties.... Well done keep it up.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! And thank you!!

Love your videos !!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

My riding has improved a great deal thanks to your channel. I catch myself reciting your advice inside my helmet all the time.😊

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Thats awesome!

What an EPIC video. Love this channel. Your way of explaining things is perfect. I love my Fanttik air compressor by the way; it's really come in handy. Thanks for that discount code 😉

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!! And Thank you!!

3:49 Burnout bois going wild now 🤣🤣🤣

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

You are correct. That is the exception. Haha.

Best explanation of handling downhill corners

Absolutely first class tuition! Loved the 2 little clips inserted into this vid... great humour and enhances the message of safety and use of common sense. It's hard to believe that a good number of older riders still hang on to archaic and dangerous philosophies as mentioned by brake pads and all the "hope" cliches. In summary, you nailed it when you mentioned riding should be joyful. Thanks for a brilliantly compiled lesson on this subject! ✌️

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

I was just having this exact conversation with a buddy - we do all these things and work on all these techniques primarily so it stays fun. It's not fun to be scared, right?

@bootz0409

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly right! It's why the kid in us loves the thrill of carnival rides which are both scary and exhilarating. 😆

Great teaching and well explained

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it

Well said. I have just about changed my total ride. I am coming up 60 and had a lot of bad habits. Thanks to your videos I fell safer , calm and enjoy my ride with confidence. Thanks and I hope more riders take your advice. Cheers Roger in Nz.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Right on! Also, we LOVE NZ!! One of our founding members now lives in Omaru. It's been way too long since we've been able to visit. Stupid COVID!

This was helpful in giving me confidence to try.

@CanyonChasers

11 ай бұрын

You can do it!

If you never use the front brake with the throttle, how do you do sweet burnouts... ok I'll just go back to the dark corner I came from now

@BlindIo42

Жыл бұрын

"No officer, I'm ...uh... wear testing the last 5% for uh... my thesis! Yeah, that's it."

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Sick burnouts are the exception! No argument from me.

Having learned to ride in the mid to late 70’s I was taught pretty much everything that you are saying are out dated methods. Certainly much of what I’ve heard you say makes a lot more sense and is helping me to reduce my fear, [well perhaps fear is not the right word] of using the front brake in corners. I have been trying to implement your ‘new to me’ idea’s and I have to admit I’ve had certain success, however the fear of the bike standing up mid bend and riding straight on is so deeply entrenched in my mind , that I’m very very wary of something cataclysmic happening while applying the front brake during a bend. Basically in my head a little voice says get in the right gear before the bend, scrub speed, tip in and progressively apply throttle while ‘driving’ through the bend and then accelerate once you eyeball the apex. If I’d only been riding a couple of years that way I think changing technique would be much easier, however I’ve been riding this way for decades and quite often being frustrated knowing that I could have executed that bend better than I had. I guess like many riders I figured some riders either have more skill than me or more likely that I’m not doing something right. Getting challenging bends right is always my goal and on the few occasions I nail it I’m made up the rest of the day. I need to find a way of making my brain and fear factor allow me to master front brake trail braking. May I ask what was it that made you turn your back on outdated techniques and learn to master braking continuously through a bend?

Great video. After practicing trail braking for years, downhill tight corners are never an issue, I'm on those brakes until I can see the exit. Uphill blind corners are more challenging because the transition to a smooth throttle is much more crucial.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Thats an upcoming video topic!!

@CubanRider

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers awesome videos, keep it up 🤙

Great timing lol! I was going to do that exact ride this weekend and was thinking of practicing my downhill braking (I did a bit around East Canyon yesterday). Thanks for the tips!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Have fun. That road is epic. Hopefully it's dry enough to ride, yeah?

@Dispariabooks

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers probably need to be a morning ride thanks to afternoon monsoonal storms...but nothing wrong with that! Cheers!

Ya gotta love Utah! I love it living in Vernal, except for the cold winters. Oh, BTW, thanks for the tips! I'm an old dirt bike and dual sport rider, so adjusting to the feel of a cruiser is definitely a bit different, but so much fun though. Hwy 191 is going to be a fun ride once I head out north or south, depends on where I want to go. I bet that Wolf creek is a blast to ride over too. Thanks for the video!

Great advice and what a kick @$$ jacket 👍

Thank you very much appreciate your work

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

You are very welcome

Super advice Dave. Super video and ride well 🤓💖🏍️

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

Another beauty. Honestly I hit the “like” button before I even watch because you are consistently awesome. Thanks Schmoopy.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Haha! A year later and that joke is still getting mileage!

Okay, that resolved my ongoing confusion regarding trail braking. It seemed to me while watching tons of trail braking videos, that people were suggesting that you keep the outside 2 fingers on the throttle and the inboard 2 fingers on the brake and use the throttle and the brake simultaneously. This is VERY awkward. Your idea to NEVER overlap not only makes sense, but makes the mechanics of trail braking much easier.

I frequently ride a 500 meter mountain in Mallorca, feathering the front brake on every downhill hairpin bend, 27 of them, never had any issues , faster going down than up.

@fallinginthed33p

Жыл бұрын

Feathering brakes on a car going downhill would lead to roasted brakes. It's fine on bikes, although the largest cruisers might have a problem.

Another well articulated video. The same principles are applied to the track, this is why you shine!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Right? The laws of physics don't change when we get to the track. The bike doesn't know where it is, it just responds to our inputs - for good or for bad.

@djwordnyc

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers Precisely, the difference I see is that on the street you have be aware of more variables, thus why we (should) ride slower on the street. The faster I get each season racing/riding track the slower I have become on the street, but the inputs as you aptly pointed out are the same.

Love your channel. It provokes my thinking as I ride.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thank you!

excellent as usual.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that

At last, some decent advice on this subject. I’m hoping to ride through the Alps this summer and there will be some very steep, tight hairpin bends. Most videos I’ve seen say do all your braking before entering the bend and low gear engine braking through it. My M109R weights close to 800lbs and I can see no way that it would maintain a safe speed through a steep hairpin with only the engine as a brake, even if I started the turn from a standstill. So thanks for confirming what I suspected, that gentle smooth use of the front brake is also part of the deal. Also, about the rear brake… I do sometimes use it to hold my speed on SLOW manoeuvres on the flat, but doing so on a tight downhill bend is not only ineffective, it’s actually hazardous. As the bike’s weight will be bearing down on the front wheel, at the same time it will be lifting off the rear wheel, giving a much lighter road contact. Applying the rear brake at this point is therefore likely to lock the rear wheel up, and yes it did happen to me approaching a hidden T junction at the bottom of a hill, and I was fishtailing for a few seconds; luckily I recovered it, but you don’t want that happening on a steep mountain road!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Exactly right! We must rely more on our front brakes and in a lot cases, sometimes being in a higher gear than we'd think results in a much smoother, more precise downhill corner. Too many riders and programs are afraid of the front brake when we really just need to be afraid of abruptness.

well put😄 🏍

Another great video! I really enjoy downhill twisties, they're more technical and take a tad more focus and mental work. There's a section of twisty road not too far from me (AZ) that I really enjoy riding, the hwy splits on the side of the mountain so no oncoming traffic, the uphill is a faster pace 2 lane with nice sweeping corners and a couple that are tight-ish, the downhill is single lane with several tight switch backs.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

I know that road! It's spectacular!!

@Zookeeper101

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers It is a bit of a mental challenge on the downhill, when you're seeing nothing but guardrail and blue sky to your left it can make your brain burst, lol. Took me a while to get comfortable, especially on the right handers knowing full well if I went down I'd be wishing for a parachute!

Thank you again for this excellent content. Have u done any videos providing some tips on gaining confidence in dealing with rainy days, wet roads & wind ? Thank you again I feel much more confident since discovering (and of course subscribing to) your channel.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

We have plans to make videos on those topics!

Superb presentation. Keeping these points and techniques in mind, has made my rides down the mountain equally enjoyable to the trip up. Ride safe, make good choices, and keep your speed where you’re happy!

On downhill I use a combination of front and rear. The bike stays stable the whole turn. Braking rear brake turning left is also very challenging.

Thanks!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Wow! Thank you!!

As always great video, excellent explanation of techniques and easy to understand.. only thing now is go and practice more. By the way which model is your jacket, looks great!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

It's an older Dainese D-Dry. Ten years on, it's still one of my all time favorite riding jackets.

Totally agree 👍🏽

Crisply articulaed.. To be successful be adaptable to the roads, and use the tools in your toolbox effectively.. Good one Dave!

thank you so much

Great video, thanks! May I add that in addition to preloading your suspension, you are also increasing the size of your front wheel contact patch making your front wheel more stable on the road! Cheers, and ride safe!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely correct!!

Some of our corners and drop off in the Scottish Highlands are a challenge. Especially going down hill with less than one lane in many cases

Excellent explanation, and I appreciated the moving pictures. Hi from New Zealand.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Hello NZ! We have family in Omaru. We can't wait to get back!

@alanbishop7828

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers last week the border was fully opened and visitors are now welcome.

The only person to address brake pad wear. Thank you!

Great tips and thanks for sharing. I am actually more comfortable riding downhill in twisties at a faster pace than going uphill. Yes, I'll use some gentle front brake to slow -- after "unlearning" the never use the front brake in corners stuff. Uphill is a little more challenging in my mind because of concerns of getting on the throttle too quickly and losing the rear grip. FYI, those roads for this video look awesome. What roadways was this shot at?

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

This is a little hidden road outside of Midway, Utah. And honestly, i feel the same way. I love downhill corners!

@lovelessissimo

Жыл бұрын

​@@CanyonChasers Midway is one of my favorite towns. And Heber.

Thank you for validating what feels right and what I naturally do.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Right! Sometimes I wonder if I wouldn't have been better off never having taken any of those early riding schools. I wouldn't have had to unlearn as much stuff.

Thank you for uploading this kind of videos, they helped me to become a safer rider and faster without even noticing it

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

Great video as always! Trail braking changed my way of riding years ago. I've noticed that there are no videos on youtube to explain the most difficult part: evaluation mistakes. It could happens to slow down too much, or maybe to enter a very long turn, or to approach a turn with multiple radius that require a new acceleration and maybe a new brake. In those cases i have this approach: nogas+trailbraking, then a little of rearbrake while easing the front one, than no front braking and smooth acceleration while dragging the rear, if another slow down is needed then again nogas+front trailbraking while easing the rear brake. On street smoothness is the key, and the rear brake can help A LOT in smoothing throttle/brake transitions. What do you think about this?

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

It's probably an upcoming video, but we ride based on direction. Not sequence, right? Front brake makes the radius of the corner smaller. Maintenance throttle keeps the radius the same. Acceleration makes the radius bigger. Use the one you need for the situation you are in. Smoothness is key, of course. And dragging the rear brake is a great way to smooth things out, as you've discovered.

@TravisTerrell

Жыл бұрын

I agree 100% about the lack of evaluation videos and that being an area I'd like more knowledge. It's the thing that leads me to instinctively want to use both throttle and brake at times. (I've gotten better about it, but yeah..) Maybe this is something that could be demonstrated via examples and videos of real-time brake use? Or even just a detailed explanation with some video. Strategy strategy.

Good advice. For me, the anxiety of approaching any downhill, or uphill, swing is not knowing what's on the other side due to blocked vision. Here in Norway where I live, summers in the mountains mean loads of big campers manoeuvring through narrow mountain roads. Swings always include the risk of suddenly encountering one. No reverse gear on my bike, unfortunately.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

YES! Exactly right!! We MUST be prepared and capable of dealing with all those unexpected things, right!?! Also, we desperately want to visit Norway!

very interesting, thank you! counter intuitive but will definitely give it a try since I live next to rt 33 in CA.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Thats a great road, but yeah, your front brake will make it a lot more fun!

When I was coming down the grapevine. I found it much easier to down shift once and apply front when needed. 👍

You are a top rider promoting trail brake and it’s the most important skill in motorcycling .Also ….I like your jacket .Which Dainese model is that?

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. It's an old Dainese D-Dry. I don't think they make it anymore, but it's my all time favorite riding jacket.

Once I was driving with a passenger when the rapid downhill started, this was a challenge! Not only you try not to lean on the handle, but you try to break and the person behind you puts extra pressure, hard to say how further the fork can go. You should include tips when ridding with the passenger in the back

@BlindIo42

Жыл бұрын

A lot of that comes down to helping your pillion understand what to do and what not to do. Reaching around you to brace their hands on the tank will help keep their weight off you, but you're probably going to have to go to the brakes sooner, lighter, and longer, to scrub speed.

This channel taught me the technique, although, granted - it took me couple of different videos to exactly understand what am I actually supposed to be doing, originally I was - all confused - pushing throttle AND front brake at the same time, knowing I wasn't supposed to do that, but I thought - hey maybe this new technique radically changes what is right or not? 😱What can I say, I am not the sharpest tool in the shed 😂 Now - I almost can't imagine entering a corner without it. The amount of control I feel all the time gives such an amazing feeling of "connection" with the bike and confidence that "we both" know what is happening. If I may ask - where is that amazing road you're riding? I would love to visit it.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

It's called Pine Hollow Drive. It's a little hidden gem outside Midway Utah.

@machinedgod

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers Thank you, definitely added to my riding bucket list 🙂

I practice trail braking, but I struggle to understand one thing. When riding on the road, many corners are just too long to keep braking until I see the exit. Not to mention those long 180 degrees turns, which you actually use in a few of your videos for illustration, where keeping even the slightest brake pressure and no throttle would just slow you down way too much before you ever see the exit. I mean, I often have to add throttle BEFORE I see the exit, or I will nearly come to a stop. So how do you deal with this? How fixed is the rule of not opening the throttle before you see the exit? This is my favourite motorcycling channel, I watched all your riding technique videos at least twice. Thanks for sharing all the knowledge, I really appreciate it!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Great question. This is what we mean by "Ride by Direction" So, when we go to the brakes, the radius gets smaller, the bike wants to turn. So we slow into corners until we are happy with our speed in direction. In those long turns, that may be a long time before the apex or when we can see our exit, but who cares, right? We're happy with how things are going. So we can ease off the brake and go to neutral or maintenance throttle, the raduis will stay the same. When we can see our exit and we can take away lean angle, thats when we get to actively accelerate, and the bike will stop turning and the radius will increase. If, by chance, we're in the middle of the corner and we need to slow again, we're only at neutral throttle, and since we always cover the brakes, as we roll off the throttle we ease back into the brake again. No drama! We can use these tools to help us put the bike exactly where we want it, and we make decisions based on where the bike is pointed. We're riding the bike based on direction.

I really love this video. I so hate it when veteran riders say to newbies "do not use your brakes on a curve, guarantee you will slide". Its not a newbie advices, its more like a veteran advice to a veteran rider and some new riders have natural instinct and good control to their brakes.

I was trail braking for years before I knew what it was, I kept wondering how to take downhill corners while accelerating!! I developed the habit of riding with two fingers resting on the front leaver and dragging into corners if feeling insecure. I guess I had the correct technique the whole time?

Nice focus on trail braking but keeping weight off the bars while going downhill needs to be mentioned. Not so much an issue for cruisers and a lot of adventure bikes but definitely for bikes that have the rider leaning forward. Learn to support the upper body by squeezing the tank with the knees and free up your hands to focus on controlling brake, clutch, throttle and steering.

@jimrobert7207

11 ай бұрын

Keeping weight off the bars on steep downhills is the key. These are almost exclusively blind corners and frequently tighten on downhill canyons. Additional countersteering to tighten the arc may be necessary. With weight on the bars it’s tuff to do.

Use all front, back and engine brake to slow down with body up coming to the turn..then Control the turn using tapping back brake and throttle control.

my usual technique in a very downhill corner is to start saying, "fuckfuckfuck FUCKFUCKFUCK" until the angel of death goes away

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

I can relate! I'm happy to report that this works a bit better. 😎

@sammemrys8195

Жыл бұрын

I've subscribed to that method as well!🤣 Thanks to channels like Canyon Chasers I'm getting better at the trailbraking programme. A lot easier on my nerves.😊

@BlindIo42

Жыл бұрын

I used to have a lot more of those moments, but I started to evolve as a rider. Now I can ride roads that used to scare the crap out of me but I can actually enjoy them. I wish I could go back in time and coach my 20-year-old self with what I know today.

Great video and thanks! My only question and what tends to happen is when corner ends up longer and more closing than expected that using brake to long ends up slowing bike too much and once leaned it is not convenient to release brake and add throttle changing front load as we release front brake when leaned a lot...

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

It’s actually not a problem. Just focus on smooth transitions from throttle to brake and back again as needed. And it’s okay to coast as long as you are ready to back to the brake if you need too.

This was a great video as always. One issue I have though is I feel like when I'm braking downhill I can't help but put too much pressure on the bars to support my weight. I'm admittedly a taller rider on a sportbike, so the ergonomics are a bit questionable to begin with, but do you have any tips for how I can better stay light on the bars, even when braking for a downhill corner?

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

The fact of the matter is, some pressure on the bars is necessary. There are things we can do to alleviate some pressure, but it is impractical to think we can remove all pressure.

*Hope* is the one thing that can help us get through the darkest of times.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Where there is life, there is hope