Officer: Do you know how fast you were going? Dave: I was going at the speed that brings me the most joy!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

They don't seem to be impressed when I bring that up

@JCintheBCC

Жыл бұрын

I once replied "I don't know, but it was fun, so I must have been doing something wrong." I got a ticket that time.

Love love love the dedicated hand shot with throttle tape and break outline. Brilliant!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm sad the tape shifted a bit. I'll fix it before the next attempt.

As someone who rides down this pass, I can definitely say the camera doesn't convey the difficulty of some of those turns and you did a great job navigating them 👌.

Bob Ross of the twisties! Nice video! Thank you!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha. I love it. Happy little turns!

Great video Dave! I was definitely in this category of riders who didn't enjoy twisty downhills. After a few months practicing trail braking on easier roads I revisited a road much like the one in your video and I was thoroughly surprised by the confidence and joy with which I rode it. One of those "light-bulb" moments that come once in a while in any sport with great coaching. Thank you!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Man, I love it!!

Best video I have seen on not just downhill corners but also trail braking. The hand cam with red tape and green outline was Awesome Bro it made it so much easier to understand the subtleties of Movement. Can't wait to see the next one, Thank You Bro!

For the first two years of my riding I hated downhill corners. I never felt comfortable going through them and it just killed the joy of riding for me. When I got better with trailing brakes it all changed, but the biggest boost in confidence for me came when I changed tires on my bike.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Right on. Tires are such an important part of the equation, right? They are what connects us to the ground.

@92Cuky_

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers I totally agree. But I was amazed how much difference there actually was between two sets of tires even though at the time when I was shopping for a new set they were priced quite similarly. Set of Battlax S22 that I bought was less than 30€ more expensive than a set of Dunlop GPR-300 that I had on the bike before. But the difference is quite amazing actually. With Dunlops my bike was very stable, a bit harder to get leaned over but easy to get it back upright. With Bridgestones it is super easy to lean and bike just wants to turn however fast I dare to try.

@kenwittlief255

8 ай бұрын

@@92Cuky_ I have put new Dunlops and Bridgestone tires on my yamaha V twin 650 (the 2 versions of the factory OEM tires). The Dunlops wore quicker, the Bridgestones lasted 30% longer, and they are heavier tires, which make the bike more gyroscopically stable (riding hands free), and you have to use more pressure on the grips with the Bridgestone tires to lean the bike into a curve, which makes it feel more planted, more stable, and more precise on a twisty road.

Just returned from doing 300 miles worth of uphill/downhill tight twisties in the Great Smoky Mountains. It was the most fun I have had on a bike since I started riding 50+ years ago. Where I live we have very little in the way of tight twisty roads. I particularly like a tight downhill lefthander that immediately turns into an uphill righthander. There is something to be said about technical roads that never allow you to get out of second gear. 🇨🇦

Love this stretch of road through the Wasatch state park. I too live in northern Utah. These are the best mountains to be in for sure :) ever looking for a riding buddy let me know! I ride an Indian FTR and wear full gear.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

That's such a cool bike!

@Joshua-le1vn

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers I am truly addicted! It's perfect for these mountain roads :)

I love sharing these videos with anyone who I know just went through the MSF course.

Great video! We all can use some help on turns and switchbacks, I know I can. Hwy 191 north of Vernal has been known to challenge everyone on turns, as well as claim a victim every so often, especially in big trucks. Ya gotta love Utah for its diverse beauty, and hwy 92 does not disappoint! I haven't been up there, but now it's on my bucket list of roads to travel. You are so right that road hazards can be present at any turn, such as sand and gravel, and Ram trucks. I'd also like to add tourists and wildlife, as that deer are frequent in my area. Thanks for the video!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Do they still have the signs? 10 more, 9 more... It's been a minute since I was out there.

@robertemmons2260

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers yes they do.

I cannot tell you how terrified I was going down. I was in topanga canyon. Had to detour so it was very very scary but I made it out -- like my bike just kept picking up speed, no matter how much I slowed down...

@CanyonChasers

Ай бұрын

100% more brakes downhill. Glad you made it!

Some days I curse KZread/the internet! Your videos make me thankful for it! Thank you! EXCELLENT video! The brake lever overlay is sooo helpful.

The “hand cam” is a cool idea; sometimes I watch the videos, doing the rollons and braking with my hands as I watch yours and look for discrepancies.

Thanks for uploading Dave, it was also a good demonstration of what delayed apex looks like at slower speeds. Im lucky enough to live in an extinct volcano in Australia so every road within a 100 kilometer radius is a tight twisty mountain road. So I have been practicing to master these techniques since I saw your videos 3 years and 70,000km ago and encourage my friends to do the same. I'm pleased to say I'm a faster, smoother and safer rider. Thankyou.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

70,000K! Waaaahooo! Thats epic!!

Love this video, very informative and visual too. Thank you! On the point of engine braking, one point I would make is that it can depend on the type of pass, some of the passes in Switzerland and Austria will end up cooking your brakes if you don't engine brake, so its sometimes a combo thing

The quality is excellent, the explanation is very accurate, what more can you ask for, simply amazing, thank you very much

Love the right hand cam!

Excellent video! The best you have done yet. Showing your hand movements on the brake & throttle as your go through the corners was a brilliant idea.

Excellent video. I'm glad I went back and watched part 1 before finishing this one.

Love the use of the brake outline in this video! Very clever. The mark of a good teacher isn't how much knowledge that they have, but it's in the techniques that they use to impart that knowledge to others. This was one of the clearest examples that I've seen on YT. I would LOVE to see this on the track. Especially how quickly you pick up throttle once you have direction and take away lean angle.

Best trail braking video bar none. Brilliant. Thank you

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks!

Love, love, love, love your videos. Some of the best content I have found and you are making me a better rider. Thanks so much for the effort and keep ‘‘em comin!!!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

So glad! We all win when we improve!

Dave, the mellow sound of the Vs, the feedback of your thoughts, the pleasant vistas. What can go wrong! Great tips as always.

Very good videos. Downhill corners have always been difficult for me. Time to put your techniques to work. Thanks again for the great insight.

Probably the best trail breaking video I have seen, Thank You!

Absolutely one of my favorite drives ever! I remember when it was still dirt. Beautiful!

Fantastic video! Having the little picture in picture of your brake hand with the stationary lines giving a reference for how much you were braking was brilliant!!! And yes, it seems to riders who use the technique a very "obvious" thing to do but, to so many(too many really) riders who do not use and or understand the technique of trail braking and riding based on direction are missing out on having so much more enjoyment with their riding. Not to mention being much more in control and safer. Thanks for another great video and keep yourself safe! 😃👍❤🏍 Randy

Great to see the in set of the throttle/brake while you’re riding. Looking forward to the uphill episode 👍

You're awesome! Thanks for everything..I've learned so much from you!! Keep em coming!!

Another great video, thank you! I love that view, and that road looks fun! Nice addition on the hand cam, that was cool to watch. Man, I'm jealous, I wish I had that road in my backyard, lol.

Hey, thanks for this one. I think I got it now. I thought trailbraking was about compressing the front suspension from entry to apex of the corner - but if I'm slow enough to start falling to the inside, and needing more gas, there's no need to keep loading the front... The camera on the brake lever is a great trick. Hope you manage to make a video like this one on the track, in the future. I would like to see what would you do about gear shifting and keeping revs high enough for exiting corners fast on a less powerful bike. 🙂

@FRHYKDd

Жыл бұрын

If you are slow enough to "fall to the inside"...don't just add more gas. Unloading the front tire TO much could cause a front tire to slide out. Get back to maintenance throttle with your same amount of "fall in" from before until you see the exit. Never add lean then gas out of the corner...

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Thats right. Just like doing all your braking and then accelerating through the entire corner is problematic in most sitations, so is doing the regimented slow until the apex idea. This is why we ride by direction and not by sequence. Think of it like this. Brakes make the bike slow and turn. Maintenance or neutral throttle keeps the radius the same and with acceleration, the bike stops turning and wants to run wide. Use the one you need for the situation you are in. FR35H7Y84K3D d was correct. Just going back to the gas may not be what you need.

I remember some years back I was riding down a twisty mountain road. I had a friend behind who had been riding motorbikes forever. When we stopped at the bottom he gave me some feedback. He said you rode that very well , however I noticed your brake light was on in every corner, you must do all your braking before the corner. I replied I was trail braking with my front brake. He replied what’s that, you never use your brakes in a corner. Just goes to show that it is not how long you have been riding, but what skills you learn along the way. I am never frightened of any corner, because I know I have full control, due to the correct use of trail braking, it’s a game changer.

Thank you for explaining the rational for not downshifting through the turn. Makes sense. You got me trail braking btw and it has transformed my confidence level especially on downhill turns. Thank you.

This video answers a lot of questions about negotiating downhill corners. Thank you for the excellent instruction.

Your videos on trail breaking have revolutionized the way I ride! Downhill curves have never been so much fun - or so controlled. The hand video was inspired to show the technique. Great idea!

Outstanding video. Thank You

You wouldn't believe how much it helps to improve my cornering by telling myself every corner "nice and easy" :). Great vid!

Wow what a fantastic video!!! I hope you continue to more videos like this in multiple different riding situations! Have the breaking hand there in real time is so helpful! I found myself holding my hands up like I was riding and breaking along with you! 😆

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

This is my favorite comment this week! I love it!!

Outstandingly useful video. Many thanks!

On vacation in the Swiss Alps right now, applying your trial breaking wisdoms. It really makes a difference. Thanks so much for your insightful videos! I feel more confident on my old Pegaso 650 with 50/50 tyres, than I did on my BMW R850 with street tyres. Although I can't lean as much, the ride feels much more controlled than before.

Good stuff, I like the speed of fun. I only got a RE Himalayan 411 cc, 24.5 hp, because I want the joy and thrill of a motorcycle without trying to break land speed records. I am a little intimidated getting started so these videos that show you can relax and enjoy the leisure activity are great for me. When I ride my motorcycle I won't be in a hurry to get anywhere, that is in fact the point for me. Life is a journey, enjoy the ride!

Thanks heaps for the great video! I just low sided last weekend going through a tight corner going downhill. Saved this video to my playlist and will rewatch multiple times to learn how to do it right.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Glad you weren't hurt. Don't be afraid of your front brake. Be afraid of abruptness.

What a beautiful road for a nice ride!

Excellent. Thanks very much. Very useful. Greetings and respect to all from Durango Mexico 🇲🇽

Exxxxcellent what you did with that brake illustration!

You are helping me so much! Thank you! 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

"Don't trust signs, folks." Love it. We have lots of tight, technical roads like this here in Oregon, densely treed so visibility through the corner is always an issue. I shared a video with some riding buddies and their comment was "why so sloooooow?". Because twice the advisory speed through back-to-back blind hairpins isn't "slow", just not relying on luck to get home. One thing I notice about downhill corners consistently is that corner entry can be pushed later because it's so easy to compress the front. The bike wants to turn very quickly. It takes some discipline to not fall into that trap and start stuffing the bike into corners further and faster. Doesn't usually end well. Thanks for another great video! Ride safe.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Oregon, literally, is my favorite place to ride. Those coastal mountain roads are spectacular, very technical and very unforgiving.

Just started riding. I live in the mountains in Colorado. Exactly what I needed

This is GOLD!!

Thank you for sharing your knowledge via these fantastic instructional videos. I did my first NC Mountains run this past weekend. Utilizing these "downhill corners" videos, I was able to effectively navigate the curves with confidence. I trust your content and truly appreciate the no-BS format.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Thats fantastic! Glad you had fun!!

Nice video! Smooth and safe style you have.

Very well explained!👍🏍👍

Well produced and presented.

Great video about trail braking, thank you!

Super video Dave. Bet that was so much fun to make. Great piece of road. You make it seem so simple. Well done, ride safe, ride well 🤓

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Great scenery

Greetings from the pprc thanks for the great advice. Nice scenery thanks.🇺🇸

Great video. Thank you!!

Ride at the speed that brings you the most amount of joy..YES!

"Wee" 😂😂😂 I loved this video so much, and seriously - just watching you ride and studying your technique is entertaining enough, if you just want to relax and ride in silence - that's totally OK dude.

Fun road! Great video!

Hello ! Beyond amazing this video !! thank you so much for your dedication to the motorcycling world ! Greetings from Costa Rica! #hugefan

Great video man

Thanks for your great video 📹

Well done and filmed! Since we save the engine for new front brake pads do not forget to order new front tires even much before …

Great riding; made it look easy! I have riden that piece of road many times and appreciate the challenge! On the way back up there is a very tight and steep right hander that I would love to see you ride!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

I know the one. It's my favorite turn on that road. It's actually featured pretty promiently in Part 1, in the rain no less.

really helpful thank you

Man, I wish this video had existed when I was having trouble with figuring out how to use trail braking without slowing too much without overlapping! I've been craving (and asking various channels for) a dedicated "hand" shot like this forever! Like, I wish the video title could be long and detailed enough to let people know how great this is, ha. Thanks! And feel free to post more using this setup!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. It's received incredibly high praise. I think I'm going to try this model moving forward. Part 1 - explain the thing. Part 2 - show the thing. I also think I'm going to adjust the brake lever/throttle markings so you can see the lever/throttle cable play. Where the brakes start braking and where the throttle starts .. uh.. throttling? :)

Good stuff, well done!

@CanyonChasers

10 ай бұрын

Thank you kindly!

I definitely have more fun uphill! If I know the road downhill is fun too. Living in Eastern Tennessee makes you good at both lol. Awesome video!

Slipper clutches is also a game changer in cornering.... All these are second nature to me now... What i continue to struggle with is impatience 😁😂

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Slipper clutches are awesome - until you get back on a bike without them - haha - but I think we ALL struggle with impatience! I just wanna go fast, man! Right?

@CanyonChasers I rode the Twisted Sisters in Texas a couple months ago and utilized the braking demonstrated in this video. It was a really relaxing way to ride simply trusting my machine. Thanks for the education.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Right on. Drama free riding is awesome!

@briarfox637

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers Ha! Totally agree. That's what its supposed to be. Ride safe brother.

Thanks!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!! It's really appreciated!!

wow, fantastic, thank you very much.😊

I appreciate your video thank you

Nice road indeed!

That brottle historical fact is interesting, thanks!

Fun ride and thanks for not hauling ass on those roads. It's easy to go way too fast on downhill corners until you need to brake really hard to make turns safely. I think Champ School recommend twice as much brake pressure on a downhill compared to a flat corner.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that road is so tight, there's no way to haul ass without risking others. Thats my personal gut-check. That and "don't speed where people live"

I live just a few miles away, but didn't know about Pine Canyon Dr. Heading to it next week!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

I think it might still be closed. What a winter we’ve had!

Nice video and commentary. I did enjoy it. I do almost exactly as you explain, but I remember my instructor always saying that I should use the rear brake too ( much less of course). He claimed that it helps to settle the bike even more.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Yes, a little rear brake can be used, especially in slow speed stuff. It's also great leading up to the corner to settle the back of the bike. While you can, for sure, use it in the corners, most riders tend to be off the rear brake before tip in and focus attention onto the front brake.

@CsabaSoos

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers Thank you very much for the clarification.

Nice video. Now I can be for sure I am doing good in two wheels.

Thanks for this great share! As always, good tips supported by well documented content! I dare though to suggest you to switch to orange (KTM 😅) levers so it can contrast better with the green outline border 😉

Excellent video. But you were actually overlapping brake and throttle numerous times. I’m not talking about a ton of throttle-just a slight overlap as you release the brake-and that is exactly what I was referring to in your last downhill cornering video. One of many examples was at 5:30. I think we are not really very far apart in our philosophies. I’m just saying there is often a fraction of a second when brake is trailing off and throttle is rolling on. You’ll probably say there is play in the throttle, but I believe there was definitely some fueling of the engine while the brake was trailing off-and that is one reason why you are such a smooth rider. Anyhow, love your channel and everything you do for us riders!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

I actually wasn't. You are seeing throttle cable slack and brake lever play. Also my tape slipped and is a little off. At no point, ever, did I push throttle against the front brake. Not even half of a percent, even though I will admit it kinda looks like it at some points. I also didn't like how it looks like I'm dumping the brake lever, when again, that's just brake lever play. I'm trying to think of a way to illustrate that. If you watch MotoGP FP2 from this weekend in Austria, they have an onboard shot with Maverick Vinales for about two straight minutes with data overlay. He never overlaps brake and throttle. You're still one of my favorite viewers though! 😎 KZread tells me I respond to your comments more than almost anybody else.

@Dr.Twisty

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers That’s because we both love motorcycling and dogs! Take care my friend.

Great video, especially with the camera also on your right hand! Do you also use your rear brake or, in most cases, your front brake only on these downhill curves?

Was on my way home from pit-race motoamerica yesterday , 68 mile ride. Was taking the very last bend before my home. Last bend of the ride literally. Was a car coming towards me. I was leaned over. Then what shows up in front of my face? Gravel. And lots of it. I aborted the turn stood the bike straight up . (Remember car coming towards me so to the left was not an option. So I went to the right. Took a persons driveway and yard and used it as to not crash on the gravel. Whole point of story is. Anything can happen anywhere at anytime. U have to be Ready at all times. And thankfully I was, and did NOT lay my bike down as a result

Great fun! If I remember correctly, I think you're in the South Salt Lake area. I don't know if you've tried it yet, but one of my favorite routes for downhill practice is going up AF Canyon to Cascade Springs, over to Midway then up to Strawberry Reservoir and within the past couple of years the road up over to Sheep Creek Road has been paved which makes a nice route to loop back over to I 15. Coming down from Cascade Springs and again down from above Strawberry has some fun twisty downhill stuff. Thanks for the videos!

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

That is, indeed, an excellent route. I was so excited when they paved from Cascade Springs to Midway. But there is that one corner that is pretty mean. You know the one.

@TheHobbyShooter

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers 😂 The blind decreasing radius right? Yup. 😁

Thank you for always sharing important information to help us ride safely. Your content is much more valuable than so many other channels. Also wanted to ask if the small windscreen is helpful and if so, what benefit do you get from it? It just seems too small to buffer much wind away from the rider. Oh, and wondered f you have produced the uphill cornering video that you mentioned?

@CanyonChasers

4 ай бұрын

Small windscreens are my favorite because they keep wind off the chest, but the air flow around the head is smooth. Larger windscreens often create a lot of turbulence due to the negative pressure behind the screen.

coming to you as a current subscriber Adam Akins. however I started a new channel that I am dedicating to motorcycling only as my other one is for viewing only I absolutely enjoy your channel . I ride a 2003 HD low rider, 2014 HD street glide special and waiting on my 2022 Yamaha MT07,

Beautiful from up top ! Also, squeezing the tank with your knees while going downhill can help take some of the load off ur hands which will in turn, help make downhill enjoyable longer ! ✌

@CanyonChasers

11 ай бұрын

Just remember, it's okay to weight the hands under braking. We still dont' want to deathgrip the bars, but it's really hard to hold ourselves upright without any weight in the palms of our hands.

i own a new 158 hp multistrada. fun is not speeding downhill. better is slow and live another day like canyon chasers does here. good advice is always welcome. thanks for the braking tips.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Well said! I honestly am very risk averse. I'd rather mellow out and have a great ride again tomorrow. But when we improve our skill set, we really go a long ways to reducing risk.

Dave, great idea on the separate camera for the brake. I have see some other channels do similar things like that also. Very good training aid. Here is something I have always wanted to see; the effects of the movement of the handlebars on the direction the bike goes. Say having a camera pointing at a degree wheel taped to the tank and have a small pointer solidly attached to the handle bar center that would show movement by the pointer moving over the degree wheel. My understanding is during cornering at speed, turning the bars to the left causes the bike to turn right and AFTER the bike is leaned over the bars turn slightly in the direction of the turn. It is rather difficult to notice this when one is out riding at normal speeds. Think you could come up with a video showing and explaining what is happening? Been riding since the late 60's and still learning, trying to always improve. Ride safe and ride home.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Two things. Believe it or not, we've been trying to build a working rig like that for a while because, point 2, you are exactly right. The countersteer initiates lean, but then the front wheel has to swing into the corner, in a traditional steer in order for the bike to actually turn.

@seniorrider9337

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers Thanks Dave, I'll be keeping my eye out and hope the rig works out OK soon. I remember watching, I believe it was a Kieth Code video where he showed something similar, but I believe he was reinforcing another point he had made. It may have been his two handlebar bike where he shows leaning can turn a bike, but very slowly and not quick at all. The whole object was to reinforce the idea of counter-steering causing the bike to turn.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, thats where we got the original idea. I thought his video was a bit misleading because he was doing a back and forth swerve to say countersteering is the "only" way to turn which isn't exactly correct. It's for sure the most efficient way to initiate a corner, but lots of things affect or will initiate a turn.

@ZoljaSlo

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers Countersteering, the word itself is so counterproductive or at least misleading. There are generations of bikers today, that really believe, that front tyre should swing the opposite way from the corner. That for a bike to make a left turn, the handlebars should turn right and vice versa...

Look up the rev limiter shift points for your bike make a label marked just a few mph below those shift points and put it on your handle bar it will help you learn when you have to upshift while taking off as fast as possible, without hitting the rev limiter and for steep hills, it will also tell you when you can downshift for maximum compression braking, without mechanically red lining your engine and smashing your valves into the pistons most bikes that are damaged from redlining the engine happen when the rider down shifts while going too fast for the lower gear, the rev limiter wont save your engine if you do that keep in mind this is more useful going down straight hills, you dont want to use maximum compression braking on the rear wheel going thru a sharp downhill curve - you have better control using the front and rear brakes together, and leaving the transmission in a higher gear

If you really pay attention, the corner at about 9:45 is actually more than a 180 degree turn. You're in it for a looong time. Things start creeping in your head so it's easy to blow aesthetically.

Fantasic video and explanation. Thank you :) at any point is there a time you would also use a little of the back brake? or are you best to just use the front? Thanks again

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Great question! I'm using light back brake pressure leading up to the corner to help keep the bike settled, but I'm typically off it before I tip in, and then focus my attention/energy on the front brake.

@paradisecityb

Жыл бұрын

@@CanyonChasers Fantastic, thank you for the reply. It certainly makes a huge difference. Thanks again and keep up the good work :)

Every ride is a training ride!

Hi, it would be great to see an other video like this but on track, or on higher speed to understand better how the technique changes how you can manage 100 grip points between lean angle and breaking

Wonderful video and wonderful road! Anyway, those road are straight compared to the italian ones, and the road condition is near perfect compared to ours. We often deal with holes right in the middle of the corners, extremly tight turns and bad bad drivers

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

The camera really mellows them out. In reality, the road is on par with italian twisty bits. Although, I will concede the tarmac is pretty much immaculate.

Great video, probably one of the best to demystify trail braking! Just one small request; next time, consider to put the lever-outline at the position where the pads actually start to touch the disc. I think it would make it easier to see how slowly you use those important 5% of the brake pressure both going on and off. As it is now, especially the release seems to be a bit abrupt, most likely because of the slack of the lever.

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Yep, thats exactly what we're going to do. I had the same thought. It looks like I'm just dumping the brake. Same thing with the throttle. I'll move the mark so you can see where the gas actually engages.

sounds a bit like Keith Relf at a venue in new york with his Yardbirds