StarTalk Podcast: Cosmic Queries - Medieval Science and History
Ғылым және технология
When you think Middle Ages, does scientific advancement pop into your head? On this episode of StarTalk Radio, we’re exploring the science and history of medieval times as Neil deGrasse Tyson and comic co-host Matt Kirshen answer fan-submitted Cosmic Queries with Seb Falk, Cambridge Historian of Science and author of The Light Ages: The Surprising Story of Medieval Science.
Quite a lot happened during the Middles Ages and we start with a brief history. Seb tells us how incremental improvements to science occurred during this time. Find out how science functioned in an age of mysticism and miracles. We discuss “natural magic.” Discover more about the storytelling of medieval maps.
We explore the invention of the mechanical clock. You’ll investigate the importance of monasteries for educational thinking and how they led to the establishment of medieval universities. Seb explains why, despite common misconceptions, biblical literalism was not popular during the Middle Ages and is a fairly new idea.
You’ll learn about the transition from Roman numerals to Hindu-Arabic numerals. How important was the cosmos during medieval times? Seb tells us why the real science was happening amongst astronomers. Lastly, we contemplate the lessons that can be learned from studying the past. All that, plus, we ask, is science intuitive to our species?
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I’m a historian, and the fact that Neil DeGrasse Tyson is so curious about the past, it’s heartwarming 💜
@shpongle7322
3 жыл бұрын
Always wanted to major in history. Just afraid there’s not many opportunities if you don’t wanna teach
@rajatsingh2956
3 жыл бұрын
I have always maintained that the past defines our present, and the present defines our future. Shout out to all historians trying to present things without the help of the main protaganists. 🙏
@MrPinkster1
3 жыл бұрын
If you dont understand the past how can you understand the future 🤔
@hanrockyhalim8401
3 жыл бұрын
Science is always more interesting when you look at the history of all discovery
@therealm232
3 жыл бұрын
@@rajatsingh2956 How about time on earth is dilated by 0.1sec. Because time is bombarded with frequencies. The reason Corona is happening is to allow nature and humanity to rest. We force the earth into 0.1 error. 1.1s 66.6s 66.6m 22.2h 333.3days. Everything And I mean everything works of magnetic equator. The sun is not part of the earth's calendar. The moon is part of the earth. The sun isnt. Why do u think we still use the moon rules.
Blessed are those who live to listen to Neil deGrasse Tyson.
@alexanderjackson8389
3 жыл бұрын
Lived? Is this a covid joke? 🤔
@Asslover1234
3 жыл бұрын
that is so true
@vishnuselvaraj4201
3 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderjackson8389 sorry, typing mistake
@--ART3MIS--
3 жыл бұрын
cursed are those who listen to... the other guy!
@mrlowie5728
3 жыл бұрын
@@Asslover1234 p0
Get that guy on again. That was one of the best Star Talks I've heard in a long time!
@jamesaz637
2 жыл бұрын
جالبه که کمترین رفرنسی به نزدیک شدن به انقلاب علمی در خاورمیانه نشد! با این که موضوع این بار همین بود. باز هم تنها به شرح مزخرفات همیشگی پرداختند و نه از خیام (که بهترین و دقیق ترین گاهشماری تاریخ را بیش از نهصد سال پیش تقویم کرد و نه از خوارزمی و نه از خواجه نصیر توسی و دیگران اسمی برده نشد. انصافا خود تایسن چند بار ذکر کرده بود (از پیش) ولی آن جوانک انگلیسی هیچ علاقه ای به واقعیات تاریخی نشان نداد.
This was the best Star Talk that I've heard, ever. Many of the episodes have interesting guests, but Seb's conclusions and observations are quite relevant for today, as in 2020-21. Tyson let Seb speak much more than other guests, and the comedic person barely spoke. I think that Seb should come back sooner rather than later, and it could be a longer episode.
@montanamike7948
2 жыл бұрын
agreed less comedy more science
@holygroove2
2 жыл бұрын
@@montanamike7948 We need both today because people have become too vitriolic about science. This video had the right balance in this instance, IMO.
@eriktorres7895
Жыл бұрын
The comedic person 😂
Neil is the king of "Don't get me started"... then gets started
@FlareDarkStormGem
3 жыл бұрын
Neil is the king of "Oh look you got me started"
@Silhouex
3 жыл бұрын
It's like Bruce Banner started transforming while saying, "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry..."
Seb needs to start a podcast. This was great.
@gabesegun7966
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe Seb doesn’t want to. Greed and capitalism
@donaldcarpenter5328
2 жыл бұрын
Sebass doesn't have a podcast yet?
Yay a crossover between my two favorite subjects, history and science!
@ljubiteljcrtica4973
3 жыл бұрын
Me too
@liquidbraino
2 жыл бұрын
The history of science is fascinating. Reading a book right now which is specifically about the birth of modern science calling "The Invisible College".
@davidevans3227
Жыл бұрын
🙂 x
One of the best Star-talk episodes ever. Thoroughly enjoyed it!
My grandfather who had a sense of curiosity about nearly everything used to say, “The more I learn, the less I know”.
@ericparrish1515
2 жыл бұрын
The more I know the less I learn
Perfect way to spend a hot, sunny Christmas day... listening to Startalk with a full belly!
@rajatsingh2956
3 жыл бұрын
We just had a blizzard here in Minneapolis. Temperature is -24 Celcius. I could say, a perfect way to spend a bitterly cold, white Christmas eve! 😛
@paulyb1399
3 жыл бұрын
@@rajatsingh2956 greetings from the land under
I could listen to Seb talk about history and science of the middle ages for hours. Definitely makes me want to get his book because everything he discussed was fascinating.
Neil "don't talk while I am interrupting you" Tyson....Still love Dr Tyson Lol, such a role model
@cran9on495
3 жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only one that noticed 🤣🤣
@homonaledi5024
2 жыл бұрын
He ruins his interviews this way.
@homonaledi5024
2 жыл бұрын
@@lordviperscorpion3271 fair point
@fuckthisbs
2 жыл бұрын
@@lordviperscorpion3271 So? Hes the host, its just basic manners. Talk show hosts do this a lot, the bad ones.
@Joe-xf5ot
2 жыл бұрын
I think he does it when he has something he really wants to contribute or when he knows he's smarter than the person he's interrupting lol
Seb and this discussion--utterly brilliant! Can't wait to read Seb's book.
@LyndseyMacPherson
3 жыл бұрын
@Jack King Thanks! Listening to it, now, and it's terrific--esp. if you're a history nerd like me.
Need chuck :(((
We need a Star Talk where Neil just rips apart every Disney line he didn't like.
@HisameArtwork
3 жыл бұрын
Also Anna from frozen I think she liked to walk on the streets. I suspect these lines were written by new yorkers cuz we all know the "space in California" XD
@billyt8868
3 жыл бұрын
he clearly needs to rewatch them first though cuz he was reeeeeeally confidently incorrect about sebastian being a hermit crab.
@mnichols1979
3 жыл бұрын
@@billyt8868 hermit crab is definitely closer than lobster. Lol but yeah, that "you didn't know that?" line really didn't help lol
@davidevans3227
Жыл бұрын
he does seem to watch a lot of film and tv lol
This was another brilliant #StarTalk! Yet, understanding science history is as important as it is today's understanding of science. Please, develop on this thread! My regards,
Very knowledgeable and interesting guest. I wish he wasn't interrupted so many times.
Great episode. Best invention in the middle ages was the mechanical clock. An improved device who's predecessor maybe the antikytheran machine from the Greeks. Who's with me?
@greenmachine5600
3 жыл бұрын
the Arab engineer Ibn Khalaf al-Muradi in Islamic Iberia in the 11th century, he invented this amazing geared clock. it was a water clock that employed a complex gear train mechanism, including both segmental and epicyclic gearing, capable of transmitting high torque. The clock was unrivalled in its use of sophisticated complex gearing, until the mechanical clocks of the mid-14th century
Merry Christmas everyone!😘
Oh man what an episode I love it. Epic questions and my heart is racing I don't know why. Might just be because of the excitement haha more of mr medieval guy please.
Fascinating. I will buy Seb's book for sure.
Lovely informative program. I liked the "humour", the interactive mood, of this program. Nice and peaceful.
This was brilliant. Please have Dr Falk on again. I want to know about water clocks!
Excellent Star Talk! Thoroughly enjoyed it! Thank you!
Still always learning even with how things are nowadays. The surprise realization of past and present just keeps amazing me. The point of perspective reference through space and time... "For they wash not their hands" comes to mind...
Thousands of people together have created the sciences we have!!
Merry Christmas, All!
@alexanderjackson8389
3 жыл бұрын
That's offensive!! It's Happy Holidays! 😡
@ilarious5729
3 жыл бұрын
Hyvää joulua 🎄⛄
@julescagliostro9275
3 жыл бұрын
Happy Newton Day!!!! Kinda...
@davidjuneja
3 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas.🎅🎅🎁🎄🎄🎄
@michaelsavides8856
3 жыл бұрын
Same too you!!
Awesome episode!! Loved it. Seb’s research and insights were fantastic!!
Great episode!! Love the history angle!
I enjoyed the interview more than I thought I would.
This episode was just everything!!
Yass!! Another installment of instilling curiosity with a bit more knowledge!!
I'm surprised Neil didn't do a short video (perhaps one of his explainers) on the Jupiter Saturn conjunction this week.
@mavfan1
3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps because he knew it’d be much less impressive than people were led to believe.
@jackhkf1419
3 жыл бұрын
He did mention it in end of 2020
@robertbrowning7925
3 жыл бұрын
Its coming......
@windmedic
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe because he’s an astrophysicist and not an astronomer?
“Fascinating, but I wouldn’t want to live there”. About Middle Ages. Paraphrasing Dr. Tyson. NY is fascinating but I wouldn’t want to live there even though visited many times. Another awesome episode. :)
I absolutely loved this episode. I loved it.
Science and history... more please. Happy Holidays all!
AWESOME and very informative thanks everyone ❤️ U Neil!!! I’ll keep looking up
Loved the discussion. Coming to this video late, but I just bought Professor Falk's book. Looking forward to reading it. Great episode.
neil making a happy face when seb falk said that the astronomers are the first people to use hindu-arabic numberals IS EVERYTHING. what a geek. i love this man 😍
You hit the nail on the head difference in religion and science. One is who the other is how.
What really touches me, in all of this, is how Neil really seems to do his best, trying to reach the masses with science. It's humbling, seeing him forego his own ego's need to be recognised, in an effort to educate people on _how_ to think, and not _what_ to think. (Though, to be honest, he's going to be remembered _anyway,_ so... :D)
"Bring out the dead." (Gong) "Bring out the dead." (Gong) Best of times!
@njones420
3 жыл бұрын
I'm getting better...
This guy had Neil deGrasse Tyson on his toes love it!
Two brilliant Brits (‘Ma people’ in Neil’s voice) and the jewel in Americas crown- Neil, what a match made in heaven. This was brilliant and fascinating 🇬🇧🇺🇸
Neil, I love you man but you and Chuck need to let people finish their sentences 😆
@Alex-fy7sc
3 жыл бұрын
I agree ... but ... When neil interrupts usually adds something to the conversation but sometimes when Chuck interrupts it's a bit too much. I love them both and i learned a lot of things from Neil. At this point i think it's a meme for us fans for this, at first i kept noticing this and thinking it hurts the show but honestly that never happens and i enjoy it. I understand it's a more casual conversation and i bet 99% of viewers (included me and probably you) and most of the guests manage but there were a couple interviews where the guests looked annoyed. No one is perfect and i think we should be grateful for the knowledge Neil provides us and Chuck is the cherry on top of the cake. Happy holidays!
@ViratKohli-jj3wj
3 жыл бұрын
@@Alex-fy7sc bro you are great. Happy holidays
@mcdoraq44
2 жыл бұрын
@@Alex-fy7sc he can do that without interruption
@keepgoing1973
Жыл бұрын
Neil interrupts everyone.
@scy1038
Жыл бұрын
Imagine wanting a genius to let an average mind finish their average thought.
Excellent! Great guest too!
Such an educational channel ❤️
The perfect Christmas gift, knowledge💭
I would like you to invite Gregg Braden and discuss his ideas on lost knowledge to modern science. we will love that. thanks and keep it up.
Excellent chat! Please invite Seb back for a second episode 👍 What Neil said about penmanship is so true. I live in Europe and can say that the vast majority of people I work with are unable to write clearly with a pen, I have to insist that they type everything. It’s sad. PS I just ordered Seb’s book - it looks fascinating!
@malcolmboy21
2 жыл бұрын
In America we don’t really care about it. But I definitely stress it to my kids to have great penmanship. I tell them if you can’t read it no one else can either so write it neat once or do it 1000 times until you do. I have a third grader and a 6th grader. And both improved their penmanship. It’s very important. Very.
@Blue_3rd
2 жыл бұрын
@@malcolmboy21 Indeed! A basic life skill, I would say. I was lucky in that regard as my father was a professional calligrapher, so we grew up around fountain pens 😃
As long as new things were "invented" during Medieval times, science was there too! They may not have called it "science" and may have even referred to some of the things as "magic" or "work of the devil" but by definition, science was well present back then too.
@liquidbraino
2 жыл бұрын
Back then it was called Natural philosophy. The first use of the word science was in a book by Giordano Bruno and others caught on later then took credit for his idea. But realistically the concept of invention and using math and geometry to do what would have been otherwise impossible goes back as far as the ancient Egyptians, possibly further. Scientists today still don't know how they built the pyramids.
@ethericlimerick2992
2 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking that if one could time travel back while avoiding the plague they would be seen as a "Merlin" as well. A quote comes to mind... “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”. Arthur C. Clarke
loved to see some debunking i was worried at first, very insightfull guest
Great day for an hour of science commentary
I love that Neil knows so much but didn’t know that Seb is short for Sebastian
@donwarbacon7516
3 жыл бұрын
I think he had to take on the comic role also. Buddy is very funny
What an interesting topic.
And keep looking up. you made me think of when i was a kid, PBS watching Dr. who. the next show was about the night sky. one time a week i get to stay up watch both. parents sleeping i sneak out and look at the stars. scared and amazed. best time of my life thing back on it. so much fun still to learn about.
cool show and educational thank you very much
I think you should look at the work of Joseph Needham, a Cambridge scientist who spent much of his life discovering the scientific history of China. Among the things he found (documented in an encyclopedia length set of books) is that the first compass was in China and the first mechanical clock was built in China during the Song dynasty. Also, much of this technology was probably taken along the Silk Road. I just think too many of us view the Greco-Roman, European history as World history, when half the world was discovering a lot of stuff during the last 2000 years. Because the Earth is round, there were people living where the Medieval maps said dragons were there! Just because their discoveries weren't written in English doesn't mean they didn't happen. Also, I can't believe, even when your guest mentioned predicting eclipses and you had discussed King Arthur, you didn't bring up Mark Twain's Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, in which predicting an eclipse is a major part of the plot. I don't think most people would be able to figure it out, when an eclipse happened centuries earlier.
I am happy with the cosmos. We have so many user manuals including your personal astrophysicist Neil!
Yay!!!! I'm so excited for this video 😁😁
Love you, guys! Merry christmass! Feliz solstício!!! And a happy 2038!
Merry Christmas, Dr. Neil De Grasse Tyson! 😊🎄
Well, really glad that Neil de Grasse organized this talk, making the huge discovery that there was intelligence, culture, technology, reason, and embryonic science during the late Middle Ages. Better late than never.
Who knew this episode was going to be so interesting
Merry Christmas startalk crew, to the big names and small you made 2020 decent
By far one of my favourite StarTalk videos yet! I absolutely love science and history so I was sold on the title. But then the Islamic references thrown in were such wonderful bonuses. I'm a Muslim of ten years now and I like to think I might be Neil's number one Muslim fan. I'm working my way through the entire StarTalk KZread collection. Started from the oldest video and here I am a few years later!
Bought the book, very interesting topic! I couldn’t help but feel Neil was doing exactly what the author was writing against: looking down on/belittling the past. Hopefully this will change that! Side-note: Augustine *DID NOT* take Christianity from a cult to a religion, he was very influential on western theology, but church structures and creeds were already well set in place before Augustine was even born!
startalk is another horizon of brillian human mind...
Merry Christmas guys love one from New Zealand
l loved this discussion, the subject matter is very interesting. l feel that Neil interjects more than necessary. l am distracted from the idea being discussed by the interruptions.
I got your book for christmas(Astrophysics for Young People in a Hurry ) and I love it so far!
I really enjoyed this one
Have a Merry Christmas Neil and Chuck
I really really like Seb, what a nice calm guy
Hey Neil & Chuck & everyone at Startalk, love your videos 🥳, could you as a guest get Daniel Tammet the brainman savant,
I am so listening to his book after this show 🤞😍
Great show!
Still not used to this new intro. I keep cranking up the volume cuz I'm expecting sick beats...
@Magnusfication
3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was just me lol
Early Christmas present thanks for posting. Yes I would love to hear the science of the little mermaid.
@sandal_thong8631
2 жыл бұрын
Ditto. Strangely I find little interest in Aquaman's and Prince Namor's worlds.
I hear the bit about Jason the truck driver heading back to the medieval time period, and I'm reminded of the old Transformers cartoon where they end up back around 534 AD. Apparently the episode was called A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court.
In our modern world, can we keep that kind of sense of wonder alive?
I feel intelligent just having subscribed to star talk
I like listening to SoundCloud rap slowed down and forgot playback speed was set slow and thought doctor tyson sounded especially relaxed today.
Was waiting on one of these
Aristotle bird migration is interesting, he particularly liked the mistle thrush.
Fascinating.
all the civ games have the medeival era and it makes a huge impact on the things to come, not to mention the economic struggles and wars that take place in said era.
Speaking of "human communication" as integral to creative thinking and science, the printing press by Gutenberg (preceded in China) began the world spread of literacy, which of course promoted the flowering and exchange of ideas. (Of course, this was in the last half of the fifteenth century, so technically may be not part of "the middle ages"?) Great episode!
the past is remembered for multiple reasons. "always remember, never forget"
Merry Christmas guys!
Great topic and invaluable knowledge shared by Sebastian. Surprised and a bit disappointed by the "downgrade" jokes that Neil and the other person (cant remember his name and his contribution to the talk to be fair) did through the whole talk. Hope you are reading all these similar comments down here.
Hot take 🔥 Neil "says the little mermaid was ungrateful "
@williamoverton7775
3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact the movie was banned in Germany cause the Anderson classic was cautionary tale about disobeying your father.
I would've loved more this episode if Chuck was there.
Sounds like an exciting read.
It's kind of amazing that it took us so long to create the combustion engine. They understood fire and mechanical movement in the middle ages. The one thing they didn't know was how to refine oil into gasoline, but they did have grain alcohol i believe which would have worked for a fuel source. So really, the combustion engine was just sitting there waiting to be invented for hundreds of years before anyone finally did it. Imagine how different things would be if we'd discovered it back in the middle ages.
@montanamike7948
2 жыл бұрын
measurements and machining needed to make combustible engine. they had neither
History is a supplier of examples of how the "approximately" (15) logical fallacies were not applied or considered to avoid analytical errors.
Fantastic. Finally, I stumble on a Star Talk not defiled by Chuck's constant, useless interruptions.
27 minutes in, Okay, let's get started on the video... LOL, I was just loving the conversation and didn't even notice no questions had been asked yet.😁
The 1978 BBC show "Connections" talked a lot about medieval science and technology.
11/10 for content.