Quick correction - Rico left the military, he wasn’t kicked out. Don’t let this hide the truth from you.

@d.blackwell6417

5 ай бұрын

Careful youtube might try to shut you up. Would you like to know more?

@heavyspoilers

5 ай бұрын

@@d.blackwell6417this video is being supressed

@David-iv6je

5 ай бұрын

I don't think the original book had any false flag for Buenos Aires. But definitely an anti-fascist movie. Paul Verhoeven was a kid in Nazi-occupied Netherlands.

@thetruthwillout9094

5 ай бұрын

Ffs, mate. This is a dumb, leave your brain at the door sci-fi film. There is no false flag narrative in it. This video is pointless.

@CHESSZILLA

5 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s not even subtext the film is about the humans being the bad guy a lot of that is subtextual but it’s also just the text

"Billions or even trillions of light years away". The science teacher in me dies a little.

@spejic1

4 ай бұрын

It would take 20 seconds with Wikipedia to get the right number, and would support his point better.

@msscott22

4 ай бұрын

@@spejic1 Yea that true, but even at 90-100k light years the point still stands. Bugs ain't doing that complex of math.

@boomerbyll3004

4 ай бұрын

@@msscott22lol you should read the book. The premise of this video is based on a bad adaptation. It’s hard to develop a coherent opinion on the story when the source material is ignored.

@msscott22

4 ай бұрын

@@boomerbyll3004 I'm gonna be real with you, I don't care.

@boomerbyll3004

4 ай бұрын

@@msscott22sick burn. Lol

fun fact: 3:00 prisoner that gets killed is actually the writer, Ed Neumeier

@cyberherbalist

19 күн бұрын

He deserved it for writing such a crock of crap.

@chrisjlocke

18 күн бұрын

How did he finish writing the movie if he got killed so early on?

@cyberherbalist

18 күн бұрын

@@chrisjlocke - They finished the script using AI.

@eto2352

18 күн бұрын

@@chrisjlocke Script finished by Alan Smithee.

@Zodroo_Tint

17 күн бұрын

"Good." - Robert A. Heinlein's ghost.

"I'm no bug sympathiser yet" sounds like somebody's ready for Freedom Camp

@custodialfatherintexas9362

23 күн бұрын

You're actually allowed to express discontent and descent in starship troopers universe. They have the same freedom of speech that the United States has. You can just walk around saying fuck the government and no one's going to do anything to you.

@custodialfatherintexas9362

23 күн бұрын

One of the things most people miss about starship troopers is that the only difference between the Republic we have in the United States and starship troopers is that you don't get the right to vote until you've served. Citizens and civilians are treated under the same laws and cannot be discriminated against except for that one thing. Well, it's not quite true, citizens can be treated much more harshly than civilians by the law. There is no disadvantage in the law for civilian. They actually want to discourage people from becoming citizens because they want you to show your metal in becoming one. They don't want to discourage people from remaining civilians because that would push them to be citizens. They literally want the only thing you gain from serving to be the ability to direct the course of civilization through your vote. No benefits and actually a lot of detriments. Will you risk your life for the betterment of man? If so, you can help make choices on the future of man. If not, enjoy your life, we will protect you. Johnny's civilian parents are rich and extremely affluent.

@kneitolas5467

23 күн бұрын

@@custodialfatherintexas9362 ...ok

@Zodroo_Tint

17 күн бұрын

@@custodialfatherintexas9362 Okay but both the current USA and the Starship Troopers government works badly, so if it is the same than the voters have close to zero chance to influence which way the country/civilization is going. It's all just a show.

@SuperOmnicronsj44

17 күн бұрын

Too much is made of that angle ... Just enjoy the movie.. its an old fashion bug aliens vs mankind film with some propaganda mixed in. There is no innocence. Action-Reaction-Solution.

Klendathu is tens of thousands of light years away, not billions. The bugs had colonized other worlds, hence the massacre of the Mormon colony on a planet inside the “Arachnid exclusion zone”. This is objective proof they had interstellar travel in some form, which would also grant the capability to launch interstellar strikes with kinetic weapons like meteors.

@jorgenguyen7641

18 күн бұрын

So you have two options here. Either the bugs shot plasma across interstellar space and hit an asteroid within the solar system, or they shot plasma at an asteroid in their own star system and knocked it across interstellar space to hit earth. In either case, hitting a cue ball on Earth and sinking the 8 ball in the corner pocket of a pool table on Mars would be easier. Even assuming that the plasma travelled at near the speed of light (which, judging from the bug plasma we see onscreen, it doesn't) and Klendathu orbited the nearest star to Earth, they would need to plot for the projectile to hit more than four years after they fired it. Are you saying the bugs have guided plasma that travels at relativistic speeds? If they do, why didn't they just bombard Earth with it? Why didn't they blow up Space Battlestation Ticonderoga? If they did have the capability to hit their enemy's home planet, light years away, and they only did it one time, doesn't this mean that they're responding tit-for-tat to their enemy's aggression, and can therefore be reasoned with?

@ericmanso7355

18 күн бұрын

They got a big ship that looks like a whale

@Avatar2312

17 күн бұрын

Having the capability of achieving 3rd cosmic speed (escape velocity of your star) and launching an asteroid across the vastness of space to hit a planet 10.000 - or just even 100 light-years away - are two very different things. Let's take a look at all the canon information we get from the movie: -) The Federation is a VERY centralist government, hence while they have FTL tech, they don't go out and colonize nilly-willy, because it would be hard to control. First they would establish a significant military presence of citizens, before they would let civilians in. -) The Arachnids are an insectoid hive species with their brain-caste (in this case probably) being able to communicate with others of their kind telepathically -) Both sides are aware of each other for some time, yet no side has made any offensive move -) The Federation has obtained several specimens of various Arachnid species to the extent, they could be disected in school and shot at in military labs -) The first aggressive move is shown to be coming from the humans (settelment in Arachnid territory) -) Arachnids can colonize other worlds by hurling their spores into space. This doesn't give a timeframe on how long the colonization process takes or if it is targeted, or if they shoot their "cum" all over the place and hope a few hit a suitable planet where they start to grow, procreate and eventually give birth to another brain, linking their colony to the network. The colonization process may very well take hundreds or thousands of years. -) This type of expansion has all characteristics of being non-aggressive, but highly defensive. The spores land on a planet allready occupied by an intelligent dominant species and the first bugs get wiped out, before they can procreate and be a threat. They land on a habitable but unclaimed world and the planet becomes bug-territory forever as soon as a brain emerges and links it to the network and makes the rest aware of it. -) The bugs have no spaceships, so they can't stage any invasion. -) We don't know where "Segema Beach" or "the outer rings" are, but they apparently have been destroyed during the time Rico was in the healing tank. Yet no explanation is given on how. It may very well just have been another false flag operation by the government to keep spirits (revanchism) and recruitment high after the failed first invasion. -) Buf Plasma is not very fast as seen in the planetary defense, and probably just barely exceeds the escape velocity of their solar system from Klendathu's orbit. -) Thus being able to only attack other worlds using asteroids AND being aware of the danger humanity poses AND knowing they can't be negotiated with AND having the ability to hurl asteroids across interstellar space to Earth in days/weeks/months AND having an unlimited supply of ammo, they would not shoot a single one or two. They would turn our world into glass with a neverending stream of asteroid bombs and not just fart a single one to it.

@Buzz727

17 күн бұрын

and intergalactic mankind cannot detect a mere meteor? we can even destroy any meteor that come to us TODAY

@Rezzatoni

17 күн бұрын

>The bugs had colonized other worlds, hence the massacre of the Mormon colony on a planet inside the “Arachnid exclusion zone”. This is objective proof ... But where is the proof that the bugs massacred the Mormon colony?

The government was basically saying the bugs had weapons of mass destruction. That sounds familiar.

@RezaQin

3 ай бұрын

Course in our case, they were moved in trucks out of the country.

@hyperkaioken4982

3 ай бұрын

the bugs killed 8 million people lmao thats what started the war

@user-mq4xp1gq3q

3 ай бұрын

"If you trust the government then you don't know history and are probably stupid"

@sogggy

3 ай бұрын

@@hyperkaioken4982 If you watched the video, it explains how that was impossible. lmao

@hyperkaioken4982

3 ай бұрын

@@sogggy except the video is dumb and the logic they're using don't apply because its a movie...

"We are the baddies?" is the main theme of the movie, you actually never see the bug's aggression until their home is invaded from space.

@algorithmicalychallenged.291

5 ай бұрын

No. In the dark forest, it's about resource acquisition. The loin isn't evil for killing the deer for meat.

@CaptainFirefred

5 ай бұрын

@@algorithmicalychallenged.291 Hear the loin roar... ffs.

@KarlTheExpert

5 ай бұрын

​@@sholva6809The book is completely irrelevant though since the movie satirizes it and turns Heinlein's intentions and politics around 180°.

@sid2112

5 ай бұрын

Yes you do. They wiped out an unarmed Mormon colony and threw an asteroid at South America. It wasn't until after those events that the invasion of Klendathu happened.

@chillhour6155

5 ай бұрын

I think the uniforms gave it away

In the book, it seemed to me that the "Skinnies" (another alien race) engineered the war between the Humans and the bugs. I forget the movie/book it which a character observes; "You don't attack the Bear and/or the Eagle. You get the Bear and the eagle to fight each other, whilst you wait to take out the much weakened winner!" And how aggressive can the bugs really be, when they or the federation gave their planet Klendathu, a Welsh sounding name?

@sstrykert

14 күн бұрын

From Russia With Love, Siamese fighting fish scene

@gary_rumain_you_peons

14 күн бұрын

It can't be Welsh. The name's too short. 😁

@bumpmail9169

14 күн бұрын

@@sstrykert also sum of all fears

@sstrykert

14 күн бұрын

@@bumpmail9169 yup, kind of what the small hats love to set up

@terrylandess6072

13 күн бұрын

Then you probably know the plot of the book: The Man Who Used the Universe - which used a similar concept to bring world piece - albeit in a different way.

Rico didn't get kicked out. He ordered a Trooper to remove his helmet during a live fire exercise resulting in the Troopers death when another's weapon was discharged after being hit and knocked down. Rico was relieved of squad command and received ten lashes as punishment. The guilt from both Troopers led them to signing their 1240-A, one Trooper made it down washout lane. Rico saw sense that the only good bug is a dead bug! Any talk of The Federation having any part in the attack on Buenos Aires is a civilian under control by Brain bugs.

Its a meta plot. We dont even think about how the bugs "fired" an asteroid across systems; we simply accept that the bugs are the aggressors. The audience are no different than the characters in the movie. The metaphor is especially apt considering the past 20 or so years.

@alphariusomegon3965

5 ай бұрын

The book actually explains how they throw the rocks into space if the movie was a actual faithful adaptation it would have explained a lot of things.

@tipsyXtwo

5 ай бұрын

Exactly - this is a cartoon about fascism, very different from the book. The bugs were actually intelligent enough for space travel, which alone answers a lot of these questions.

@andrewbinns5035

5 ай бұрын

@alphariusomegon3965 true. But the book had more races of aliens and much closer allegory to Vietnam War than anything. I assume verhoeven didn't want to pigeonhole the plot.

@alphariusomegon3965

5 ай бұрын

@@andrewbinns5035 it has a total of 2 aliens the bugs and skinny’s and I didn’t get a Vietnam feel since the writer of the book spent most of the time covering Johnny time in basic training and 2 battles and officer school training and he was writing the book from a if the military ran the world considering he himself is a WW2 navy vet.

@andrewbinns5035

5 ай бұрын

@@alphariusomegon3965 weren't the skinnies based on the vietcong?

Love this movie so much.... I remember as a kid seeing it as just a cool bug movie and a way to see boobs for the first time. But now, as an adult. There is so much depth to this movie that gives it lots of rewatchability both on a deeper level and on a surface blood and guts level I saw as a kid

@xRamZx

5 ай бұрын

And boobs

@Acromion11

5 ай бұрын

And you still get to see some great boobs

@halfbee7886

5 ай бұрын

I would still watch this for the bewbs and bugs.

@manart6506

5 ай бұрын

I want more movies like this. Without shame, fun and with interesting topics.

@drinkmorecocacola

5 ай бұрын

depth.. and boobs.

« I’m not a scientist myself » Proceeds to prove it showing two stars at opposite sides of our 100k light years wide galaxy « clearly they are billions if not trillions of light years away » 😭. Pal, the visible universe is not even a hundred billion light years in our 13.4 billion years old universe bubble

@nigelnightmare4160

5 күн бұрын

13.8 Billion years.

@MrStringybark

4 күн бұрын

@@nigelnightmare4160 Visible universe.

@King-Kazma

3 күн бұрын

Don’t listen to this guy. This is anti-bug propaganda, trying to give credence to a false flag attack

@Leto2ndAtreides

3 күн бұрын

The point is still valid. Even if it was sent at the speed of light, it would take almost 100K years. False flag is more likely. If they were going to use asteroids, they could've used a thousand - taken from within our solar system even.

@geoffh1

2 күн бұрын

Fun fact, the 13.8 billion year old universe has a radius of 46 billion light years.

Also when they go to attack a bug Planet why would you send down men with rifles to destroy them? Why nuke them from orbit?

@jackochainsaw

18 күн бұрын

At least napalm.

@kerbalairforce8802

17 күн бұрын

Tunnels. Because bugs live underground and are resistant to radiation fallout.

@tmonkeyking2424

16 күн бұрын

But... but... I was always told that it was the only way to be sure.

@heyj64

16 күн бұрын

Because you see, you cannot nuke the enemy from orbit if you disable their hand👋

@MoreLifePlease

15 күн бұрын

Because it's more exciting that way. Why do soldiers from centuries in the future still use submachine guns that wouldn't have been all that strange to WWII or even WWI infantrymen? Starship Troopers, the Colonial Marines from Aliens....they all use 20th-21st century weapons because guns that go bang and run out of ammo relatively quickly are more dramatic, more exciting, than, for instance, ray guns. How exciting, for example, would Aliens have been if, instead of deploying a squad of kinda semi-competent Marines the plot instead called for beaming down a couple of red shirts armed with phasers? That would've been a pretty quick flick, right? 😆

Paul verhoven has made a few movies, where he leaves it to the audience to come up with their own interpretation. Robocop, total recall, and this movie. All great no matter how many times you watch them.

@nexusdrop7863

5 ай бұрын

Robocop 2 was a parody of Robocop 3.

@captnwinkle

5 ай бұрын

He actually answered that Total Recall Arnold was actually lobotomized. And the light shining in the end is meant to symbolize that

@peachypietro9980

4 ай бұрын

All of Verhoven's major films are satirical, including Showgirls and Basic Instinct. He has a special way of getting you to drop your guard, to lure you in, only for you to realize later how disgusting it all is. That's why he's one of the best directors of all time.

@derekdonner3115

4 ай бұрын

​@@captnwinkle the biggest clue is they give the whole plot away when he's sitting in the chair, including the alien technology, and the woman he's never met before

@alexcardosa8079

4 ай бұрын

@@captnwinkle Made sense always felt it was all a simulation inside his own head.

We don’t tolerate bug sympathizers in this galaxy.

@Zodroo_Tint

17 күн бұрын

So we do tolerate bug sympathizers?

@MaitlandJones

14 күн бұрын

🤓

At 2:30 you talk about protestors at the school but it seems like those are signs about the sports team beating a rival school

In the source material (the book), the bugs have starships just as we do. The movie was NOWHERE CLOSE to sticking with the book except that the bugs hit B.A. with a rock. Dumbing the bugs down in the movie but not the reason for the war means you have created a plot hole, not a false flag. A.

@carlbruschnigjr1757

21 күн бұрын

Book also makes it clear that the bugs have conquered other species and even use them in their fight with the humans.

@terminarothebest

20 күн бұрын

The movie is inspired, not based, by the film. The messages cannot be more different.

@carlbruschnigjr1757

20 күн бұрын

@@terminarothebest Your first sentence doesn't make sense.

@yukonexpatriate4017

20 күн бұрын

@@carlbruschnigjr1757 I think the intention was 'The movie was inspired by the book, not based directly on the book'. It clearly is massively different than Heinlein's novel and can be seen from a few very different angle.

@illarionbykov7401

20 күн бұрын

I read the 1959 book and played the 1976 tabletop wargame (a faithful adaptation) and then I saw the 1997 movie when it came out and was pissed that it was completely different. Then I read up on the director's intent to make it a stealth parody and subtle critique of modern American imperialism, and rewatched the movie, and finally understood. I still don't think it's a great movie, but it's a good parody of American Orwellian Imperialism. The asteroid/meteor hit makes no sense as a legit attack, as it did little damage to humanity's military capacity and only provoked more counterattacks by humans. A smart asteroid strike would have tried to wipe out most life on earth (with a much bigger asteroid or an asteroid swarm) so it seems that it's a good candidate for a false flag attack in the movie (in the book it was a full invasion which went bad because the bugs' allies switched sides--definitely not a false flag)

One big hole, the military govt was woefully underprepared to fight the Bugs. All their weaponry and tactics were optimised to fight other Humans.

@hjalmarthehelmetman

15 күн бұрын

And the government showed footage of their failed attack to the public. People saw soldiers being disembowelled and dying horrible deaths, not really the best call to action.

Okay bug lover.

The main character in this movie is a good looking dude. I can't believe he didn't have a super successful career

@BigBoyz33

3 ай бұрын

Right?? I can't believe he didn't really blow up in fame after this movie

@2adamast

15 күн бұрын

He and the Mattel guns gave the movie a Ken and Barbie vibe No idea what the Ken and Barbie movie was going after with its fake blond actor

@DLundgren22

13 күн бұрын

Looks aren't everything. He couldn't act.

@timbo240

12 күн бұрын

@@DLundgren22 well that hasn't really stopped some of the big actors today 😂

@Dreadpirateflappy

4 күн бұрын

@@DLundgren22 Nor can Ryan Gosling, yet he is in countless movies.

One of the things that I really like about Verhoeven's movies is that they pretty much always have two ways you can perceive them, and the movie works perfectly both ways. When I was a kid, I loved Starship Troopers because I thought it was a fun adventure story about soldiers fighting space bugs. Then I got older and learned that it's about fascism and commentary on the effects of propaganda. It works both ways and is a great movie from both viewpoints. Brilliant.

@maaingan

5 ай бұрын

It’s a scathing rebuke of the military-industrial complex. They would rather kill millions of people to fuel their economy, because they have literally no other productive industry and their entire global society would collapse without constant war. Either they blow up Brazil, or descend into chaos and lose their authoritarian death grip on the collective sum of human civilization. They would much rather sacrifice human capital they view as replaceable than even begin to consider the idea of changing how they govern

@tal_the_great

5 ай бұрын

Would you like to know more?

@logon235

5 ай бұрын

With cognitive dissonance, yeah, it works as well. However, some of the stuff will gnaw on you like how you would swallow the fact that the bugs can hurl rocks across the galaxy defying spacetime with just their bum guns.

@ComotoseOnAnime

5 ай бұрын

@@logon235 The movie is a deliberate parody of the book, which the director read like one chapter of and decided he didn't like it and did the exact opposite of what the book writer would have wanted. Which is why the rock hurling becomes a bit of a red herring without the context that bugs in the book are an intelligent race of space faring creatures. It's never touched on because the movies basically dumb down the setting to instead make political satire when the book played the setting straight.

@logon235

5 ай бұрын

@@ComotoseOnAnime not talking about the novel.

Watched this again a few weeks ago after your breakdown. I noticed in the scene just before the Roger Young encounters the meteor, Carmen explains to Zander that she adjusted their course to a mor efficient one. This adjustment is the only reason they nearly hit the asteroid. It could be that the military higher-ups assigned a less efficient course to the ship in order to avoid it getting destroyed by the asteroid. Perhaps they were just meant to see the asteroid or something, but Carmen’s course took them closer than those in charge had intended.

@brainflash1

5 ай бұрын

And Carmen was in on it.

@nexusdrop7863

5 ай бұрын

It was meant to show how smart and capable she was, like her shuttle stunt. That she almost encountered a rock falls more into a swarm being launched rather than precise sniping. The bugs were smarter than expected but they also dealt in mass numbers.

@organicprozac2490

5 ай бұрын

@@nexusdrop7863 For sure. The higher-ups didn’t expect anyone to realise their course had been altered from the most efficient route.

@captnwinkle

5 ай бұрын

Carmen mentions the asteroid was coming out of FTL

@Ocker3

5 ай бұрын

​@@captnwinkle Which implies a booster system that we aren't shown

There was a prequel comic that had the bugs send spawn that crashed on Mars, a mission to the source was Big K and thats how Rasczak lost his arm, so we knew about the bugs for at least 20 years and with the response to the meteor would be swift since they do have shit that flys fast like drop and spaceships. :)

Bug account spotted.

Starship Troopers is a lot deeper than most people give it credit for

@mistylover7398

3 ай бұрын

Would you like to know more??

@user-mq4xp1gq3q

3 ай бұрын

@@mistylover7398 🤣

@mistylover7398

3 ай бұрын

@@user-mq4xp1gq3q lol

@macmcleod1188

22 күн бұрын

That's because the writer was actually a fan of the book and dropped several parts of the book directly into the movie. Verhoeven didn't care because he just wanted to make a movie about youth in the 1930s Germany thinking their country was wonderful. He mentioned it to the writer 5 years before and they both agreed it would never be made. Then a random Bee movie called "Bughunt on planet something I forget" was associated with Paul verhoeven and then as a result of that they decided to use their license to starship troopers i.p.

@0ntimetaiment921

21 күн бұрын

@@macmcleod1188 Strange. I met the DP of the movie, and he did not seem to be a fan of the book. Frankly I cannot see how a fan could write this movie. It's great, but more of a critique/satire of the book than an adaption.

Also to consider: Despite claiming the Arachnids could precisely target a planet light years away with a ballistic shot, they also informed the Fleet Captains that the anti ship fire coming from the ground would be 'random and light', something literally the complete opposite of what was required to do have done what they said.

@JacobSantosDev

5 ай бұрын

If you recall, they were also wrong. The anti ship fire smoked their asses and had heavy losses in the movie. I don't remember much from the books but in the books they were pretty desperate since the bugs could rip them apart even with Mech armor body suit.

@LeviticusStroud

5 ай бұрын

@@JacobSantosDev Yes. But the point is that their two claims were diametrically opposed to each other- indicating that Intelligence had no actual reason to believe the bugs actually could do what they told the general population. As an addendum, I just remembered that the biology teacher also discusses the arachnids firing their spore into space randomly. This is also at odds with the direct targeting claim. Kinda like saying they can rarely deliberately get the white ball in the nearest pocket, but they can trick shot to pot the black on a different table in a different pool hall a few blocks away!

@The1Ryu

5 ай бұрын

@@LeviticusStroud The vast majority of things in Sci-fi does not hold up to real science. This is just selective, biased skepticism.

@LeviticusStroud

5 ай бұрын

@@The1Ryu Nah, it's just more things that point to the video's interpretation being correct. After all, we're talking about Verhoeven's take and not the actual book! I'd like to think people like Verhoeven and John Carpenter have a whole bunch of memoirs and notes for release one day in the future letting us in on what exactly they were thinking at the time of writing etc. But I reckon it's more likely that half the things they seem to be alluding to deliberately were no more than some general thoughts in the back of their heads they may not have been aware was coming out in their work at all!

@AbsoluteScotch

5 ай бұрын

@@LeviticusStroud This is interesting. If you assume the conspiracy was true and think backwards from the end of the movie where it is shown that the federation has produced a new type of navy and weaponry it could be argued that in order to justify whole new fleet it was necessary to destroy the old one via sending it on a suicide mission which the first attack turned out to be.

I'd like to correct a few things. While the movie doesn't show it, in the show, roughnecks: starship troopers, there are not only bugs capable of launching asteroids as a form of artillery, but also massive bugs capable of flying through space, and have invaded an entire planet of sentient life, enslaving them with specialized insects capable of controlling them like puppets.

@TheLyokoWarriors

Күн бұрын

Roughnecks is also a different continuity that takes from both the novel and the film, so what happens in there means nothing to the continuity of the film and what it was doing.

“I’m media literate” No, we’re the good guys because we’re human and they’re bugs

@brucetucker4847

15 күн бұрын

They're ugly and we're so very, very pretty.

@SetuwoKecik

14 күн бұрын

​@@brucetucker4847so if they're hot, thicc, catgirl aliens, you'll bang them instead?

@benjamintherogue2421

7 күн бұрын

That and they literally kill everything that's not them.

@davidwuhrer6704

5 күн бұрын

​@@benjamintherogue2421Not like we do.

@benjamintherogue2421

5 күн бұрын

@@davidwuhrer6704 Is our planet a barren rock with only one species on it?

When this movie was coming out, I saw the Heinlein novel at Walmart as part of the tie-in (It had a cover with the movie screen grab). It was fairly cheap so my mom let me get it. I read the book and it has become one of my favorite novels of all time. I re-read it every other year on average. So when the movie came out and it was NOTHING like the book I was SO disappointed (I was probably 14, not used to movies being nothing like the books yet). I'll never view this movie in the light it probably should be seen, just cause 14 year old me is still jaded.

@housecaldwell

12 күн бұрын

Hey, check out the animated series "Roughnecks." You at least get troopers in power armor. The CGI is pretty rough given how old the series is, but the stories are worth it.

I can tell just by the thumbnail that this 'insane theory' is just the intended message of the film lol

@Blasted2Oblivion

5 ай бұрын

You have those now and then. My favorite is the dude that realized, after really diving deep, that Dr. Frankenstein was the actual bad guy.

@bad-people6510

5 ай бұрын

If so it failed. Because fucking no the bugs aren't innocent, and Rico was never deceived. I know what Verhoven's intention was, he just never actually presented it. I guess it was doomed from the start when he took one of the most free and liberal societies in science fiction, one in which the military is tiny, vestigial, and holds no political power AT ALL, and tried to pretend it was a fascist junta. But then again the motherfucker admitted he never read the fucking thing, which makes him better than any of these video essayists who pretend to have cracked the secret meaning behind one of the most overtly outlined sci-fi settings ever written. Tell me. Even in the movie, when does the government lie? Was it when they showed the TF's military failures? Was it when it showed the Sky-Marshal, an ABSURDLY difficult position to obtain, stepping down and giving up his command after a tactical snafu? The only lie is Verhoven's when he suggests the Terran Federation would actively recruit for the military.

@NecroMorrius

4 ай бұрын

MY CRAZY THEORY IS THAT THE FILM IS SATIRE AND FASCISM MIGHT BE BAD!

@bad-people6510

4 ай бұрын

@@NecroMorrius My correct theory is that it's a failed attempt at satire and there's no fascism involved. Either in the source material or the film itself.

@choppingpenguin

3 ай бұрын

@@bad-people6510🤣😂🤣 your theory is profoundly stupid and completely evidence free. The movie's blatant and obvious intention is to mock militarism and fascism, as stated by the director himself.

I learned something from this.... LET'S KILL THE BUGS USING METEOR STRIKES FOR THE EMPERO- oh wrong franchise.

The core flaw in your reasoning is assuming potential plot holes are intentional clues left by the writers.

@mrsupaloco

5 күн бұрын

Also there's none of these clues in the book or any dialogue following this reasoning. This channel just knows astrology better :D even though they forgot to factor in all the gravitational changes from passing billions of systems that would make the maths pretty much impossible for an irregularly shaped object

@noctisocculta4820

Күн бұрын

@@mrsupaloco lol. I know you meant astronomy, but I think that typo aptly describes this channel's knowledge of space.

@mrsupaloco

22 сағат бұрын

@@noctisocculta4820 Ahahahaha I just noticed that :D

What if the first meteor was meant to barely miss Earth and was just _a warning shot_ to say "Don't let rogue Human settlers enter our territory again." But the Roger Young accidentally diverted it into a direct hit. Which means Carmen unintentionally killed everyone she grew up with and ever knew, except for those few who were also out of town at the time.

@mistylover7398

3 ай бұрын

Wha

@fearedjames

19 күн бұрын

Woman driver moment

@SuperOmnicronsj44

17 күн бұрын

Yes, and the bugs accidentally didnt negotiate or not kill anyone. "rogue human settlers" or not, you just don't kill people. That it was even "rogue" indicates hostility and killing people is too harsh of a "warning".

@Pushing_Pixels

16 күн бұрын

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 Tell that to real humans today.

@DAethrys

15 күн бұрын

This is such peak bug apologism that you've earned yourself the title of honorary bug.

The film that made me a filmmaker. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🎬

You're missing the metaplot: The entire movie is itself an in-world propaganda film, made months after the initial Buenos Aeries event, that is shown in-world to drive up recruitment. That's how they have all the graphics design work done. You even see the film crew on one of the bug planets filming the stars of the show.

@SuperOmnicronsj44

17 күн бұрын

Its a "in-world propaganda" film .. correct. Its a great film. And ..FYI .. NO ONE IS INNOCENT.

@aperson4640

16 күн бұрын

So the in-world propaganda film includes commercials in it? Who directed this in-world propaganda film, alternate reality Paul Verhoeven? I think you may be a little confused.

@wardakawababa6213

15 күн бұрын

​@@aperson4640 Of course the propaganda film includes propaganda adverts. This is the inevitable late-stage result of any extreme ideology feeding on itself. (See also: late-stage capitalism.)

@zur13l13

15 күн бұрын

@@aperson4640 Read the book.

@DellikkilleD

15 күн бұрын

that was a news crew champ.

Plus its pretty well known the directory hated the book Starship Troopers and the military and it's seems to be known he wanted to make something different because it is nothing like the book.

That always bothered me - the bugs would have to kick that asteroid at warp-speed to get it to earth in a matter of weeks, 'normal' speed, it would take millions of years! Thanks for bringing this point up, your argument that humans did this for there own nefarious ends makes a lot more (horrific) sense. Brilliant!

@Zakillah

5 ай бұрын

Also, if the meteor was travelling at whatever speed much faster then light (which it has to, or it would need millions of years to reach earth), it wouldnt just destroy a city, it would shatter the whole earth on impact.

@MyAramil

5 ай бұрын

lets also not forget the countless amounts of spacejunk between the two locations. if it got anywhere near a gravity well it would get off course fast. if it hit a planet, then its even more unlikely.

@Makabert.Abylon

5 ай бұрын

If its on the other side of our galaxy its less the 100.000 lightyears. 100.000 years to get here going the speed of light..

@The1Ryu

5 ай бұрын

I feel like I will be saying this a lot, but: The vast majority of Sci-fi weapons technology does not hold up to real world science, but people don't accuse all those films of being false flag propaganda. This is just biased skepticism.

@boitmecklyn4995

5 ай бұрын

I have the feeling it's definitely a false flag operation by the federation :D

My dad used to be very picky in what he watched with me as a kid. But starship troopers on TnT or SciFi was always a sure thing

Dizzy: Rico, I'm dying. Johnny Rico: No Diz, you'll be fine. Dizzy: But it's OK, because I got to have you.

If Klendathu is located in the Milky Way (according to the diagram) then its distance from Earth is at most around 60 thousand light years and not trillions. But the idea still holds, so I'll let it slide this time.

@gary_rumain_you_peons

14 күн бұрын

The Milky Way is now believed to be wider than the estimated 100,000 light years.

@terrylandess6072

13 күн бұрын

@@gary_rumain_you_peons Like our solar system is now so much larger than the furthest reach of Pluto's orbit because we include the 'ever growing' junkyard hanging around.

@gary_rumain_you_peons

12 күн бұрын

@@terrylandess6072 Heliopause. Look it up.

Oddly, when I saw this movie as a kid (I was maybe 13 when it came out) I immediately thought it was a false attack. And they just underestimated the power of the bugs. I wondered if the Bug Planet had resources that Earth wanted but needed a reason to go get them. What solidified this for me as a kid was that the bugs weren't invading Earth. They had no need to enter our planet. But we were definitely invading the bug planet.

@SoldierSpiderx

5 ай бұрын

agreed I think the reason their government The Federation want attack the bug homeland cause they want to expand and thought the bug planet was going be easily to take over and they was prove wrong big time like not only the bug are super smart, they outnumber 10 to 1 that if you kill one bug 10 more pop up

@algorithmicalychallenged.291

5 ай бұрын

Good. Taking over the bugs planet increases the survival of humans.

@MyAramil

5 ай бұрын

@@algorithmicalychallenged.291 are you really telling me that in the distance between earth and Planet P, that there where no other worlds that could sustain humans? in all those countless light years?

@The1Ryu

5 ай бұрын

The bugs wouldn't be able to invade earth giving how their invasion tactics work, we would kill their spores before they could establish themselves. However, the bugs are still a threat, via their meteor attacks. The vast majority of Sci-fi technology doesn't hold up to real world science. This video is just biased, selective skepticism.

@JohnDunne001

5 ай бұрын

@@MyAramil I think you're missing the point. There WERE tons of habitable worlds between Earth and Planet P. They just didn't have any swimming pools. The bug planet has a simming pool, sauna AND steam room.... Humans r arseholes.

Not only would that have been the craziest of sniper shots ever, but there's simply no way an asteroid could have travelled that distance within a few months or years time.

@Blasted2Oblivion

5 ай бұрын

It makes even less sense if you take the sequels into account because one of the sequels (I think it was 3) has the bugs trying to find where Earth is located. Even if they could somehow make the rock cross the galaxy that fast, they still didn't know where Earth was to target it.

@NK-po6ki

3 ай бұрын

Even if the meteor was traveling at light speed (it couldn't be), it would talk how ever many years (100,000+?) for it to reach our solar system.

@custodialfatherintexas9362

23 күн бұрын

It wouldn't be any different considering the way they're using a wormhole when the bug spread to multiple planets in the first place. They're an interstellar species. They are not Savage animals. This is one of the main themes of the movie is that we underestimated our enemy and failed a comprehend just how advanced they really were. They can shoot spaceships dodging and jinking in space even after the spaceships realized they were truly under threat from the surface.

@custodialfatherintexas9362

23 күн бұрын

​​@@Blasted2OblivionYou're talking about Marauder. They're not looking for earth. They're looking for sanctuary or whatever it's called. It's a hidden base that only certain pilots not to get to. It's the fallback if Earth fails

@youtubevoice1050

23 күн бұрын

@@custodialfatherintexas9362 What's the evidence for the bugs being interstellar? They live on one planet, Klondathu, don't have space ships or any other technology that would allow them to leave their planet. The anti-air was underestimated, yes, but that was ground-based, not in space.

An asteroid strike wouldn't cause any shade before it hit, it'd be a bit too fast. Loved this movie back in the day.

@AlienRelics

15 күн бұрын

The speed of light is quite a bit faster than an asteroid. If the sun is overhead and the asteroid is overhead, you will get a shadow. Actually, it just has to be coming in from the direction of the sun, regardless of the time of day.

@ron1788

15 күн бұрын

@@AlienRelics You'd have a shadow for a fraction of a second before it hit.

@gary_rumain_you_peons

14 күн бұрын

It was coming from the outer solar system, though, and not via the Sun. So it should really have struck at night. So the shade was just artistic license.

@AlienRelics

14 күн бұрын

@@gary_rumain_you_peons Good point. Although it come have come from the opposite side of the sun, in which case it would hit during the day. The essential thing to remember is, it is just a movie.

@AlienRelics

14 күн бұрын

@@ron1788 Yes. No matter which direction it comes from, at some point it is overhead.

"I find the idea that a bug that thinks is offensive"... Yet no problem with thinking they have the technology to redirect asteroids, fold space and strike the Earth from the opposite side of the galaxy for.... Reasons......

@brucetucker4847

15 күн бұрын

I think he is ridiculing racist jingoism, like all the people before WW2 who said Japanese people were all buck-toothed, nearsighted midgets who could only copy things and could never design or fly a decent fighter plane. We all learned how that turned out.

The issue you’re missing is that there is some kind of jump point or wormhole between Klendathu and Earth. If you watch the scene where Denise Richards Carmen, navigates around the asteroid, in the beginning of the movie. It shows some kind of display screen showing space bending. Then the asteroid appears.

@LoftlyRecordsSpoilers

5 ай бұрын

@Hit-Me-Up-TheHeavyspoilers. I’m all for a conversation about this! The original book was all about ‘militarism’ and the military industrial complex. And the entire point of the book was to talk about how ridiculous it is fighting a ‘spider/ arachnid army’. The entire film is supposed to be a satire but I think it went over everyone’s head 😂

@custodialfatherintexas9362

23 күн бұрын

You're correct about the wormhole but the bending of space is the asteroid's gravity not the wormhole. The federation thought the arachnids were dumb bugs and had no understanding of the threat posed. They literally thought them a quirk of evolution that allowed for interstellar bug species that operated like ants. That's why they weren't looking for asteroids coming their way as weapons of mass destruction. They knew they could send their spore into space to colonize other planets, they didn't realize they were tool users in the sense of using an asteroid as a tool of mass destruction

@custodialfatherintexas9362

23 күн бұрын

​@@LoftlyRecordsSpoilersThe film failed as a satire. Verhofffen never read the source material any more than you did. The source material is not about militarism. The source material is about a limited suffrage Republic. The only difference between the constitutional Republic of the United States and the Constitution of the federation in starship troopers is The limitation on suffrage. They have all the same freedoms of speech religion etc. The author was an avid patriot. He just believed that disinterested uninformed uncaring and self-centered voters would be the downfall of the Republic. Almost like he saw the future. Or, more likely, he just simply understood the lessons of history.

@thrawn82

21 күн бұрын

@@custodialfatherintexas9362 That's because the source material ISN'T satire. It is a sincere exploration of and advocacy for fascist governance. I do agree that the movie fails as a satire, but I think that's more due to a failure of media literacy by it's audience than by a failure on Verhoffen's part. SO MANY people didn't recognize nazi propaganda when they saw it is a lightly different context.

@alexanderwatson1980

21 күн бұрын

@@thrawn82 The book is very much *not* an "exploration of and advocacy for fascist governance," and the movie absolutely fails at making the Federation appear fascist - unless you're already looking for it, for whatever reason, and are willing to invent or ignore facts to suit your desired narrative outcome. You sound like someone who never read the book, and who has a complete failure of media literacy of your own. Verhoeven's attempt to satirize militarism and fascism fell absolutely flat, presenting a free and open society struggling for survival against an expansionist and aggressive race of alien bugs, whilst simultaneously slapping the side of its' hand into its' chest and grunting excitedly; "Look, fascism, hurr durr!" You fail at understanding the original source material (if you read it, which I doubt), and fall hook, line and sinker for the failed satire of the film. It's embarrassing, frankly.

By the way, in the book the message is a little different, it’s more about a mind twist that allows a human being to accept the idea of war and military government - strongly recommend as well!

@ejgoldlust

5 ай бұрын

Verhoeven blatantly disagreed with the philosophy of the book, and worked very hard to present his point of view. Sadly, he did such a good job presenting his satire that the blithe American public didn't get it at the time. (I'm American, I was one of them who didn't get it.)

@brycesolomon9933

5 ай бұрын

@@ejgoldlust I read the book in middle school, year before movie, and then watched the movie. Granted I noticed differences from book to movie but not enough to register at that age. I reread the book a year ago and forgot how good it truly is. I’m surprised they got an entire “war” movie out of roughly 2-3 chapters in that book.

@ejgoldlust

5 ай бұрын

​@@brycesolomon9933 I didn't realize they used so little of the source material. I'm curious what the rest was about

@nuckley

5 ай бұрын

​@@ejgoldlustVerhoeven said that he didn't read the book. He gave up part way through the first chapter. So he disagreed with what he heard the book was about, not what it actually was. For example there is explicitly no military government in the book. You can't hold a government position or even vote while serving.

@Joshua_N-A

2 ай бұрын

I read it and was surprised that the arachnids rival the humans in technology. They even got beam weaponry.

Also, I've heard from more than one video that people think it's just Klendathu that we were fighting over, but they clearly talk about pacifying "outlying systems" after the disaster at Big K

Cool. Verhoeven still says the bugs sent the meteor in an interview though. So, wrong.

@carlbruschnigjr1757

21 күн бұрын

Seeing how Verhoeven didn't fully read or understand the book, I wouldn't give him much weight to his comments.

@cornboi3227

15 күн бұрын

@@carlbruschnigjr1757 He's definitely a dumbass for that, yea. it's still his movie, though

@brucetucker4847

15 күн бұрын

@@carlbruschnigjr1757 Well it was his movie, not his book.

@zackzick1996

13 күн бұрын

who gives a shit, what the hell does he know

@cornboi3227

13 күн бұрын

@@zackzick1996 presumably a lot since he made the movie we're talking about...?

I immediately asked myself why would bugs just hit one single city, why not bombard the whole planet with multiple shots to get rid of the *obviously more tech-advanced* enemy or at least actually significantly weaken them?

@brucetucker4847

15 күн бұрын

Maybe the energy to send the rock was such a massive expenditure that they couldn't afford to keep doing it.

@thediminished98

11 күн бұрын

They have weapons of mass destruction bro, we got to go in there. Hasam Bugedin has weapons of mass destruction

Not only is the Earth spinning around the sun. But the sun is moving through space, dragging all of the planets along with it. So, they would have to know where the entire solar system will be in a trillion light years as well as where the earth will be inside of the solar system.

@juanausensi499

5 ай бұрын

Yes, it is ludicrous. The bugs launched the asteroid before humans appeared on Earth.

@pyropulseIXXI

17 күн бұрын

the entire observable universe isn't even 100 billion lightyears across, let alone one trillion, ya dweeb

@brucetucker4847

15 күн бұрын

@@juanausensi499 Wormhole. You can see the gravitic distortion on the ship's instruments. Also, ~50k light years, not billions. The entire Virgo Supercluster of tens of thousands of galaxies isn't billions of miles wide, let alone our own galaxy.

@hihi2667

4 күн бұрын

@@brucetucker4847 hope you mean lightyears, not miles or else you look just as dumb...

When in space, I'd follow the Drop Sargeant's rule. "If it's has more than two legs, you *kill* it!"

i mean i thought that the attack was just a bug response to us messing around with their territory, given earth was already being exceptionally militaristic... in essence, we're still the aggressors, but it wasn't a false flag attack.

The narrator keeps saying how difficult it would be to predict where Earth would be, "one degree out" etc. But primitive old us managed to fling the New Horizon probe from Earth to get to Pluto (which is smaller than North America) 9 years and 3 billion miles later, passing less than 8,000 miles away.

@TheOtherMJ_76

13 күн бұрын

I get your point. However, the bug planet was on the other side of the Milky Way galaxy. Pluto is in our own solar system. A strike from the big home world would be tremendously more difficult to hit. That doesn’t even take into account other celestial bodies the asteroid would have to avoid to make it here without being destroyed or altering its trajectory.

@Sirithil

3 күн бұрын

Or even more primitive us yeeting Voyager 2 on a series of gravity slingshot maneuvers to visit all four gas giants. For the mission to succeed the probe had to initiate all course corrections on second-precise timings and stay inside a lane about 30 km wide.

@Sirithil

3 күн бұрын

@@TheOtherMJ_76 The bugs were definitely capable of interstellar travel. We literally see battles on two different planets in the movie.

While OP's theory is plausible, it's important not to read too much into every detail of a story. Pigs can be made to fly, under their own power, without wings even and the reader or audience suspends belief in order to enjoy the story. And in Starship Troopers, we see the bugs planets devoid of any life at all, not even any tree stumps or water. So where do they grow their food? Imagine the amount of vegetation that would be required to feed all those HUGE bugs? Fact is, vegetation isn't shown simply because it makes filming/CGI easier and few in the audience questions the lack of it. Again, we suspend our belief to enjoy the story.

@custodialfatherintexas9362

23 күн бұрын

As far as I recall, the bugs have thriving underground mold farms or something like that... The planets are barren but that's because the bugs kill everything off. The bugs are essentially a hegemonizing swarm. The God bug makes that absolutely clear in Marauder

@thrawn82

21 күн бұрын

It's also important to remember that nothing that appears in any of the news bulletins, whether on stage with the characters or as interludes, can be taken as reliable. We, the audience, are meant to understand they are BS. Many of them are shot-for-shot recreations of Nazi propaganda films.

@brucetucker4847

15 күн бұрын

Maybe they send lots and lots of bugs and the stronger ones eat the weaker ones.

@terrylandess6072

13 күн бұрын

@@custodialfatherintexas9362 I pushed through the sequels and while never as deep as the first - both manage to forward the bigger story as minor films. As always I'm sure the books are so much better.

@mksmike

10 күн бұрын

You start thinking like that and any garbage is good. Suspension of disbelief is maintained by logic and continuity, and as such you need to either use common sense or establish rules that you must follow. The belief that bugs can thrive in any environment so long as it's not too cold is common sense, even though it's not scientifically accurate. So people suspend their disbelief because it makes sense. The belief that pigs can fly is absurd, so you can't just insert it into any context without a proper explanation. You can't just have Professor Moriarty riding a flying pig to escape Sherlock Holmes.

Physicist here. Your terminology is all over the place with regards to the asteroid, but your general point is correct. That's a picture of our galaxy, which is about 100,000 light years across. So the distance would have been about 60,000 light years or so. You heavily over-explained it. There is literally no way to make that shot as even at light speed, they'd have to have fired 60,000 years ago. It is absolutely impossible to predict the location of a planet that far in advance. It's not a matter of not being good enough at math. It's a matter of pure physics. You can plot out a simple system like a 2 body problem to infinity, but introduce just one more body, and it's a chaotic system. Meaning it is unpredictable over long periods of time. Not too hard to predict without better computers/models, but actually mathematically impossible to predict. The bugs don't seem to have ships, let alone FTL travel. They live on multiple planets, but it seems like their "technology" is all biological. They must slowly seed other planets by firing eggs into space or something. If an asteroid were deliberately fired at Earth at typical asteroid speeds, it would HAVE to have been done from within our solar system for it to be possible to aim without running into the chaos problem. Even from our outer solar system, it would have taken 30+ years to hit Earth. The Voyager 1 and 2 space craft, the fastest objects ever launched from Earth and MUCH faster than any asteroid, were launched in the 70s and only recently made it out of our solar system. Oh, but the asteroid was launched by firing bug plasma to knock it out of orbit, so it could be going faster than a natural asteroid? No. Plasma doesn't carry much momentum. You could disturb an orbit with it and cause something to enter into a gravitational path, sure. But there's no way you could impart enough momentum to move an object very fast at all without just destroying it with plasma. And to try and calculate the shot even if that were possible is another impossible problem, since you can't know the exact internal structure of the asteroid and how exactly it will deform and move in reaction to any kind of impact. It's not a pool ball undergoing an elastic collision. It would be an inelastic collision in which kinetic energy is not conserved and an unknown amount of ejecta will carry away enough momentum that you wouldn't be able to count on that conservation for calculation either.

@brucetucker4847

15 күн бұрын

The bugs attacked worlds in solar systems other than their own, so they must have some form of FTL travel. I always assumed they shoved the rock through a wormhole, but a wormhole that big and with that range wasn't something they could easily do over and over again. If the wormhole opened fairly near Earth the rock could hit within a few hours or days of entering the solar system.

@Phoboskomboa

14 күн бұрын

@@brucetucker4847 It's been a long time since I've seen it, but I remember the propaganda videos explicitly stating that the bugs sent the asteroid by shooting it out of orbit with their plasma. I could be wrong on that, though. The only way they could POSSIBLY have reasonably hit Earth without decades of lead time is if they worm-holed the asteroid into our solar system at the precise distance and velocity to put it on course for Earth. Do they have wormhole bugs like they have brain bugs and plasma bugs? They certainly show no signs of advanced technology or even basic tool use. Unless the wormholes are supposed to be natural? I hadn't thought of that, because it's not how we think real wormholes would work, but this is sci-fi. We have to assume some hand-wavy space magic. Still, they'd need some sort of sensory bugs capable of perceiving the position of every planet in the Sol system in real-time from about 60,000 light years away. This is orders of magnitude better than the James Webb space telescope, even ignoring that they'd have to be looking straight through the galactic disk and their data would be 60,000 years out of date.

8:30 humanity also thinks the bugs are stupid but yet they sent the ASSteroid? It's like "'those immigrants are all drug dealers!" But "those immigrants are gonna steal our jobs!" Wtf do you do for a living then?

The GUY at the end "FBI! OPEN UP!!!" AWESOME! LOL

Wasn't expecting another video on this but I am really happy to see it, the big thing for me that was always weird is they tout their new planetary defense system and show it taking out an asteroid but sure enough one makes it through later and hits a city directly, also the speed of it I just don't see a way they would miss it on whatever tech they have for scanning incoming objects especially one so large as you sorta see the scale of the ship that gets hit by it just before. Either way though I have got the feeling to watch the movie again, might have to do that soon.

@alanjackson1015

5 ай бұрын

Wrong order. The *new* planetary defense system stops *another* asteroid. It was developed after the first impact

@kog8952

5 ай бұрын

@@alanjackson1015 Oh right I think that's how it actually went, its been a bit since I have seen it, I thought I remembered that in one of the opening reels, still though they have they have the tech for space stations and fleets of spaceships.

@hizzlemobizzle

3 ай бұрын

@@kog8952 no you were right. the planetary defense system was in place. Let's also not forget that humans were attempting to colonize the bug planet. Remember the Mormon colony?

@custodialfatherintexas9362

23 күн бұрын

No this is wrong. The opening scenes occur a year after the high school scenes. It's a forward flash in the beginning and then says one year earlier. The scene where Carmen is zipping her little shuttle through the orbital rings, there are no defenses yet.

@custodialfatherintexas9362

23 күн бұрын

Rico is the guy who you see fighting desperately in the opening scenes. And it jumps back to high school. The invasion happens after he goes through boot camp, after he almost quits, after the bugs wipe out when is there is causing him to not quit, causing them to rapidly develop defenses over the next 6 months or so leading up to the actual landing at Klendarhu. All that happens before the opening scenes where he gets into that desperate fight leading him to wind up in the roughnecks

It's just like in the novel 1984 where the regime always needs an enemy and they switch between fighting one opponent and another without a hitch. The government in Star Ship Troopers is highly militaristic so they need an enemy that's always there to fight against. Everyone hates bugs so they make for an easy scapegoat to justify military expenses. It happens in real life too, the War on Terror was not meant to be won.

The bugs being innocent theory is actually very similar to something that happens in "The Forever War"

Klendathu is on the other side over the milky way galaxy. Within 150 thousand light years. Trillions, even billions is an enormous overstatement.

@antoniorobles8706

Күн бұрын

So, the asteroid would spend 150 thousand years travelling to the Earth??

I like that it's not directly stated whether the bugs are responsible or not. It let's the audience have fun coming up with theories in a video format.

@hizzlemobizzle

3 ай бұрын

No but they did establish that humans were attempting to colonize the bug planet. Remember the Mormon colony?

@supremecaffeine2633

3 ай бұрын

​@@hizzlemobizzle Which the federation was against them doing, but had no authority to stop them.

@hizzlemobizzle

3 ай бұрын

@@supremecaffeine2633 of course not. The only authority on the planet which just so happens to be an authoritarian militant one had no power to stop them. I get it.

@supremecaffeine2633

3 ай бұрын

@hizzlemobizzle The Federation is not authoritarian, nor is it militant. They mostly have the power to settle trade dispute, and their military consists of 10k troops. The Mormons weren't even citizens, and thus, they had no binding authority over them.

@hizzlemobizzle

3 ай бұрын

@@supremecaffeine2633 very cool. What movie is that? I'd like to see it. My theory is that the Federation is a collection of ice-cream vendors and that the Mormon colony was secrete;y p[aced there to mine for Rocky Road.

Paul Verhoeven is one of my favourite directors of all time. His films, whether they be Robocop, Showgirls, or Starship Troopers all satirize the socioeconomics of modern human culture. His over-the-top sex and violence comes from what he witnessed during the Second World War, and how his child's eyes interpreted it all. Basic Instinct, from his Hollywood era, is probably the odd one out, as it's more of a "love letter" to film Noir and Alfred Hitchcock's films, particularly Vertigo.

It's not much of a nutjob theory when the movie makes it pretty clear that it's the case.

The meteor distance thing could possibly just be the writers not really giving it as much thought?

A '90s classic. Thank you Paul.

Society from the movie is strange. On the one hand there is the militarism and the war, but on the other hand there is a seemingly perfect society! Kind of makes you wonder whether all this is worth it.

when you did zero research and thought it just sounded cool lol

Good theory for the first movie only. But once you watch the other 4 Starship Troopers movies, the bugs are in fact actively trying to invade humanity each movie.

@Dreadpirateflappy

4 күн бұрын

are the others canon? because only only 1 was actually any good...

@ziljin

4 күн бұрын

@@Dreadpirateflappy well 3 of the sequels have johnny rico. And 2 of them the same actor of original movie. But yes they are canon.

please explain at any point in the movie, where does it state or even allude to their society needing an enemy to fight to maintain itself. Also, please explain how these bugs leave their own planet and colonize others... ya know, like planet P.

@Stathio

19 күн бұрын

It alludes to it constantly- their whole society is very transparently wholly operating around a fascist military system in control of everything- the constant propaganda, the executions on the same day as convictions, the protestors, the needing the military's say-so to vote or even get pregnant... the list is pretty exhaustive. There's an entire movie's worth of it to pick from.

@triggerme6144

19 күн бұрын

@Stathio So, the thousands of troops lost is propaganda material. The executions being same day as conviction isn't wrong. A an actual fascist state wouldn't allow protesters to begin with. The military doesn't control the entire government, in fact the military is only a small part. You don't have to serve in the military, you only have to serve in federal service, which could literally be anything as long as it's difficult.

@drrohanjacob5343

18 күн бұрын

The bugs shoot spores into space ,i guess with the plasma bugs, then rely on luck to land on a habitable planet

@pyropulseIXXI

17 күн бұрын

@@Stathio it doesn't read like this at all; the leader litearlly steps down and is replaced after their failure. Life is good, and the bugs sent an asteroid through a wormhole. The fact you losers actually side with bugs over humanity is beyond pathetic. You aren't intelligent for having this super basic take

@brucetucker4847

15 күн бұрын

The bugs actually have advanced technology, the speciesist government just doesn't want to tell that to the people. Kind of like before Pearl Harbor most civilians in Europe and the US thought the Japanese were buck-toothed, near-sighted midgets who couldn't possibly build an advanced fighter plane, let alone fly one competently. We got a hard lesson to the contrary, as did the Federation.

"Here sir, yes heavy Heresy, the highest Heresy I have seen for a long time. your right sir he should be taken away for re-education"

what wasn't shown in the movie is that the bugs have space ships themselves, which is how they exist on a bunch of different planets. They have space ships in the book, and space ships in the 3d animated tv show.

As an American, most Americans didn't understand this was satire because it's the world we live in

Don’t care, I’ll never sympathize with literal bugs.

"All we get is a desolate planet" You're forgetting the silk surplus, that'll give everyone a 300 buck tax refund. Wait, sorry that's the Futurama satire episode.

There is an additional weird thing here: In order to hit the earth from a distant planet across the galaxy, the meteor would need to have A LOT of speed and energy. If it was anything like the size shown in the video, it would not simply cause casualties in Buenos Aires, it would obliterate human civilization worldwide. Also, if the bugs would go to such lengths to make an attack, why not amp up the power a little bit and get a kill on human civilization instead of just kicking the hornets nest a little bit?

@ChupacabraRex

19 күн бұрын

Also, the main thing is that the humans are shown to have spaceships, you're seriously telling me they couldn't have just....deflected the meteor?

As a former 11B, this is how you start a war. First step: create the enemy, sometimes this will be done for you Second step: be sure the enemy you have chosen is nothing like you Find obvious differences like race, language, religion, dietary habits, fashion Emphasize that their soldiers are not doing a job They are heartless murderers who enjoy killing! Third step: once these differences are established, continue to reinforce them With all disseminated information Fourth step: have the media broadcast only the ruling party's information This can be done through state run media Remember, in times of conflict all for-profit media repeats the ruling party's information Therefore all for-profit media is state-run Fifth step: show this enemy in actions that seem strange, militant, or different Always portray the enemy as non-human, evil, a killing machine Sixth step: eliminate opposition to the ruling party Create an "Us versus Them" mentality Leave no room for opinions in between One that does not support all actions of the ruling party should be considered a traitor Seventh step: use nationalistic and or religious symbols and rhetoric to define all actions This can be achieved by slogans such as "Freedom-loving people versus those who hate freedom" This can also be achieved with the use of flags Eighth step: align all actions with the dominant deity It is very effective to use terms like, "It is God's will" or "God bless our nation" Ninth step: design propaganda to show that your soldiers Have feelings, hopes, families, and loved ones Make it clear that your soldiers are doing a duty, they do not want or like to kill Tenth step: create and atmosphere of fear, and instability And then offer the ruling party as the only solutions to comfort the public's fears Remembering the fear of the unknown is always the strongest fear ☠️

@leaphardotnet

5 ай бұрын

Perfect! What is a 11B ?

@davidruiz2474

5 ай бұрын

@@leaphardotnet 11B is an Infantryman in the US Army 👍

@leaphardotnet

5 ай бұрын

@@davidruiz2474 so do you regret being part of us war effort that never been about being the good guys same as in the movie starship troopers

@kenwheeler3637

5 ай бұрын

We, as a species. have been perfecting this formula for millennia.

@The1Ryu

5 ай бұрын

Okay well the government at no point says the bugs are "heartless murderers who enjoy killing". We are shown debate via the media contesting the beliefs of the ruling party. The bugs at no point in their actions outside of the media, choose to display any desire to communicate or create peaceful resolutions. The government doesn't remove the ruling party in fact, after the failure of the attack on the bug home world there is an open change in government. And again there is debate shown in the media showing different opinions to the current state consensus. The state supports it actions with reason not nationalism or religion. It goes to war because the bugs are attacking them, not because of "Mah Flag!" Again religion is not a factor in military life. The media directly shows a soldier, the main character, direct saying he wants to "Kill them all!" Besides the threat of attack, there is no instability in the earth federation. That's pretty much all your steps refuted, which makes sense because the humans didn't start the war with the bugs.

In a movie about fascists, the fascists are actually the bad guys. What a surprise.

So what you are saying is the bugs attack on Earth was completely fictional..?

Good points for sure, but perhaps the bug intelligence re: space is being underestimated. After all they have enough know how about space to detect an invasion fleet in orbit and calculate trajectories on the fly for defensive ground to space butt cannons.

This video has been investigated by the ministry of truth move along citizen.

I'm still siding with humanity over bugs

@ddegn

16 күн бұрын

I'd even side with humanity if they were dolphins. I don't trust dolphins. Don't get me started on Orca. They're the real threat.

One thing that I never was able to understand was how do the bugs travel from planet to planet

Saw this the weekend it came out and honestly I'm surprised people couldn't see the satire and how the bugs were clearly victims

Underrated movie. Great channel. Fantastic combo. Keep up the good work fellas.

@heavyspoilers

5 ай бұрын

Much appreciated

When I first saw it in theatres, I thought ''this is impossible'', but I rolled with it. It wasn't until after a certain event in 2001 that I truly understood what had happened here.

@arthurfisher1857

4 ай бұрын

Oh God, you're not a "truther" are you?

@MaxLeGrand33

4 ай бұрын

@@arthurfisher1857 Haha! What a stupid thing to say!

@bboymonk3y

4 ай бұрын

Gulf of Tonkin led us to the Vietnam War. False flags are Declaration of war without looking like the aggressor

@Themrine2013

3 ай бұрын

@@bboymonk3y there is also the USS maine

@user-mq4xp1gq3q

3 ай бұрын

"False flags aren't real and governments are not the ones who commit mass genocide on their own people" - 🤡

Damn Hank, I didn't know you would rise this far up the ranks.

On a slightly different topic, when The Flash saves the biker from the cab hitting him (7:00), the impact of the Flash grabbing him at such high speed would liquefy his organs instantly, far worse than any impact of the cab hitting him.

I had the same suspicion after the second or maybe, more likely, third time I watched the movie. And yes, obviously it’s one of my favorite sci-fi movies too 😂

I've always assumed that this was the intent and point of the whole movie. Though I'd always assumed that the first asteroid was a real event that played out as shown, but that it was just a stray asteroid that happened to hit earth, and that it was humanity's tendency to try to find a villain for everything bad that happens which led them to blame the bugs.

@geraldscott4302

5 ай бұрын

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

@pietrayday9915

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I don't think the government bombed Buenos Aires deliberately - I saw no evidence in the film to support that idea, but we were (deliberately) given absolutely no reason to believe the Bugs did it, either - I kinda like the idea that it was the ship banging into the asteroid that sent it off course to hit the earth, and as @geraldscott4302 says, "Never let a good crisis go to waste!" There's likewise no evidence provided in the film that any military-industrial-complex needed to stage a fake bombing for funding and authority: after all, the military-industrial-complex IS the government and sole authority in this fictional world, it can vote itself all the funding and authority it needs any time it wants. It's explicitly the point of every moment the movie spends on describing how the government works in that world! And, I'm going to take a grain of salt with the infographics provided by the movie about where the Bugs are located and how the asteroid got to Earth and how long it took to get there: pulp sci-fi writers and Hollywood are infamous for struggling with scale, and confusing solar systems, galaxies, and universes - hell, even this KZread video's writer/narrator does this, using the word "universe" to describe a picture that is clearly (to those of us who know better) a galaxy. You see the same mistake made all the time in, for example, 'Firefly'/'Serenity', and it's just one of those things we learn to live with as sci-fi fans. I have no reason to believe the film's production quite grasped what the implications of showing a map of a galaxy to explain how a meteor got to Earth! So, this video really doesn't give us the best evidence that the Bugs are the victims. Which is a shame, because the movie DOES subtly give us all sorts of reasons to believe that the Bugs absolutely were victims, and the soldiers were manipulated into fighting them for something the military government DOES need: territory to expand into, Bug territory. That, and, more subtly, a way to "cull the herd" of its population of weak (or "weak") undesirables, while greasing the wheels of the government's presumed meritocracy to allow fresh talent tested under fire to squeeze out any stale and incompetent officials who should no longer be in charge. Obviously, those Bugs aren't technologically advanced, they don't seem to be capable of interstellar space travel, and they don't even seem to be capable of the astronomy required to aim a meteor anywhere... the in-film propaganda videos try to portray the Bugs as invaders, but also make it quite clear to anyone questioning the propaganda narrative that some colonists were slaughtered by Bugs after setting up a colony on the planet, supposedly after the government instructed them not to. I think we ARE meant to doubt that narrative - there's no evidence that the government ordered to colony to be built in Bug territory, but what are the chances in that society of a colony doing ANYTHING without that government's approval? It would almost look like the government gave at best light protest against the colonization of the Bug world by an inconvenient splinter group of some sort, failed to properly survey the world, failed to provide a proper defense for the colonists, failed to provide any way for the colonists to withdraw, and then only stepped in after the massacre to retaliate with military force, using a meteor strike - guided or not - as a recruitment tool to raise a military presence for what had to have been assumed to be an easy fight against an unexpectedly powerful Bug defense, only for the military strike to nearly result in disaster because it was utterly unprepared for the defense that the Bugs were able to respond with, doubling-down on every intel, planning and tactics problem with even more underestimation of the enemy long after it should have been clear that the Bugs were never going to be an easy victory (in fact, in spite of a difficult victory, the humans don't really seem to be winning the war - the new recruits at the end are child soldiers!) That scenario would suggest a broken government that, despite its claims toward meritocracy, is afflicted by a combination of macho overconfidence in its own ability and merit, colliding head-on against incompetence and manipulation - which, I think, is the point that the film's writers, directors, and producers wanted to make. After all, the military training is wildly irresponsible, the merit of the leadership and the governing philosophy are dubious at best, military analysts clearly underestimated the bugs by a staggering margin, the propaganda vignettes are laughably smug, and before the film ends, we see government officials removed from office and replaced for their incompetence. And, of course, the little we're told about the colonist massacre that really sparked the war does NOT add up at all the way the propaganda films present the story. The meteor strike, too, in spite of my doubts about the film-makers understanding the scale of the problem, also still seems to have been designed to imply to anyone paying close enough attention that the meteor story doesn't add up, either: I'm pretty sure that even if the Bugs launched that meteor from within our own solar system, we're meant to wonder, "what a minute - how were these bugs supposed to have managed this, anyway, especially given that the military explicitly seems to doubt the existence of 'Brain Bugs' to work the whole thing out???"

@boomerbyll3004

4 ай бұрын

The book does not have as big of plot holes as the movie. It’s just a bad adaptation of a great book.

@antoniofalchi5570

3 ай бұрын

​@@boomerbyll3004 No, the movie's entire purpose is to make fun of the book. There are no "plot holes" just painfully thick satire that, in Verhoeven's eyes, couldn't be ignored. Apparently it wasn't thick enough for you though.

@boomerbyll3004

3 ай бұрын

@@antoniofalchi5570 lol where do you get that from? Seems like an expensive joke? Did you read the book? Also, what’s the joke if you change the science of it? As a last little point, why would they buy the license just to give a crappy satire on a pretty decent book? I don’t know but it seems like maybe you’re not right bout that.

Early in the movie it is shown that the bugs are able to shoot meteors. This information is presented months before the meteor hits. They were able to figure it out instantly because theyve seen it before

There is a brilliant Black Mirror episode that I think was heavily inspired by Starship Troopers where (spoiler alert) soldiers are given a neuro-link type implant that is suppose to make their jobs easier to track and kill some type of monster colony ravaging the lands. It turns the implant was some kind of vr/ai system that made it seem like he was killing monsters when in fact he had been killing innocent men, women and children. He was effectively taking part in a mass genocide of people without even realising it.

only thing you got wrong was the width of the milky way galaxy , 150,000 light years. So they had to send that meteor 75,000 years ago or more at light speed. You are correct , False Flag inside job. This was done by humans

@RafitoOoO

5 ай бұрын

Except it isn't.

Didn’t know this was theory as I understood it this way since I was a kid

@juanausensi499

5 ай бұрын

Same. I think Americans view this movie very differently than other countries.

@pyropulseIXXI

17 күн бұрын

Too bad it is obviously false; Cameran literally avoids the asteroid (that came from a wormhole, so the bugs could send it), and the director outright states that it wasn't a false flag attack

@Draykidsbuthol

14 күн бұрын

@@pyropulseIXXI he states that because the film is an in-universe propaganda film. the fact that you think his statement on this point is evidence for your argument is only proof that you're a moron

By parodying Starship Troopers, they basically adapted The Forever War (minus all the cool stuff that actually sets Haldeman apart).

I never thought the bugs were the enemy. Logically humans have a tendency to stick their noses where they dont belong. And i have every confidence that this movie was a direct result of that

How do you reconcile your theory with Heinlein's novel in which the bugs have a very advanced technology?

@tach5884

20 күн бұрын

The filmmaker didn't read the novel and had some incorrect ideas about it.

@Stathio

19 күн бұрын

Because we're talking about the movie, not the book. They're very different entities with very different messages.

@willywonka7812

13 күн бұрын

​@@tach5884the filmmaker read what little of the book interested him and improved on it in every way

Keep doing what you do man, agree it's a totally underrated film. Great theory time, theory time, time, time.....

Imagine all that tech and they still use old school gunpowder rifles

I assumed that the humans were the aggressors the first time I saw the trailer.