They ended Armada? The bastards.

Armada is not even finished with republic and separatists wtf

@dn8617

17 күн бұрын

It is now.

@GlassHalfDead

16 күн бұрын

Armada has been in an odd place for the past few years, no doubt. No ships, no rules etc. but mainly it was announced as being done but ships still being produced for a while. A complete game, if you will. But then yeah the devs openly said that clearly some factions needed more ships. Even said just like 2 weeks ago in an interview with Crabbok. To then end the selling of ships now just seems so odd, honestly. And it still had a decent playercount at Worlds.

This is sad news. X-wing was one of the most immersive and accessible way to introduce new players to table top miniatures (especially star wars fans). It was the first game that made you feel immersed as a pilot, and to date I hold a lot of miniature games to that standard of immersion and pacing. You can even see its influence on Killteam 2.0 and gaslands. This game should have stayed with Fantasy Flight

@josepablolunasanchez1283

5 күн бұрын

They were doing a good job, but the IP owner did not want to please customers. They want to play mental games with customers. The inmates are running the asylum. It was better before when there were hospitals for these people with a mental disorder..

Man, armada was such a cool game. Writing had been on the wall for a long time, though. What a shame. Going to try and fill out the rest of my collection now.

Crazy. I just played a game of XWING with my partner last night. I loved this game, so many good memories.

You see the whole article in my video obviously, but here's the link: www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/update-on-star-wars-x-wing-and-star-wars-armada/

I wonder how long it will take for them to kill off star wars legion, it's been downhill even since they took over from fantasy flight games

@timunderbakke8756

17 күн бұрын

AMG devs ruin everything it touches. Remember these are the same devs who worked for privateer press and killed some of their biggest games there

Man, i actually enjoyed xwing, v1. Solid example of a game that from opening to playing, was such a sweet, fast cycle.

The worst part of this is how it will make it impossible to find players who aren't already into X-Wing or Armada (I have and like both). I can't imagine someone getting into a customizable game where they can't build their own squads/fleets because they don't have the ships.

X-Wing survived the reboot, Covid and global slowdown. It didn’t survive AMGs mishandling of the rules into 2.5 which NOBODY was asking for. Should be a case study in how to pick up a system with a community (albeit a smaller one after FF annoyed everyone with 2.0 and conversion kits), and absolutely face plant the landing.

@timunderbakke8756

17 күн бұрын

110%. The community banded together in Covid to keep it alive on TTS. We were ready for the come back to the local game store, and we did come back ready to go…. …just in time for AMG to say “hey, let’s totally nuke it and make it unlike the game you all love and more like our favorite toy Marvel Crisis Protocol, the bestest eva!” I will never buy another game developed or supported by those individual devs at AMG, even if they move to another company having destroyed this one

@bionicgeekgrrl

16 күн бұрын

It is embracer group dumping huge debts on asmodee. They have to cut costs and armada and xwing are both much more expensive to produce than the other games.

@MrNunkeymutts

14 күн бұрын

@@bionicgeekgrrl true - but to be honest.. the crowd I was playing with weren’t that bothered about a full.. regular release cycle of models. A trickle would have sufficed in the short/medium term, with maybe some points and rules tweaks. Enough to know things were still ticking over. Maybe stir the meta every 6 months or so. No one really cared for objectives. Most didn’t like random activation. Most were annoyed by list building restrictions that killed generics/swarms, and there were some really annoying synergies that made no thematic sense. You can argue that a community could just stick with 2.0 (and a small number have, god bless ‘em).. but people like to feel they are part of a live community with a living game. AMG took an ill considered gamble with the core experience, and most of the community took a hard pass and looked for other live systems (Infinity in my case) to get involved with.

@MrNunkeymutts

14 күн бұрын

@@timunderbakke8756 yes. It was a pass for me on Shatterpoint for that reason.

@josepablolunasanchez1283

5 күн бұрын

They are losing in the geopolitical realm, and they vent their frustrations on Star Was fans.

I had a bad feeling about this.

I feel awwwful for people who play the game. While I don’t play it, I have heard so much and seen so much love for the games

@josepablolunasanchez1283

5 күн бұрын

I never managed to buy the game. Everything got in the way since several months ago. Extra bills to pay, exchange rate issues that reduced my salary to a point I almost was underwater, so I could not move from the cart to an order. It is like having it at my fingertips and being unable to grab it.

I would be interested to know about the profit and loss on prepainted/assembled miniatures? I guess given the production costs they'd have to up the prices, or supply unpainted but given that community is accustomed to a certain standard. They've got mcp and shatterpoint going so I can understand why they might have diverted resources. That said just because a Company is no longer supporting and Game doesn't mean all your stuff is now useless... Mordheim is still a thing... Guildball was still a thing till steam forge picked it up again though given they've got warmachine I wouldn't be suprised if it gets dropped again. The X-wing community is pretty massive and the tournament scene, no reason why the community cant handle patches and gameplay formating going forward. I mean looking at both mordhiem and guild ball the community can add aditional content, models etc. after a Developer moves on.

8:35 Rules are available free on-line

X-wing V2 killed it for me. I didn't want to buy all the upgrade boxes to switch.

@ausmax1972

17 күн бұрын

Funnily enough, the faction specific conversion kits were part of what made v2 not financially successful. They were just such a good deal for existing players (compared to making people rebuy the reprinted ships with the 2.0 cards), they killed the financial viability of the game. This was because the majority of the player base didn't need to buy the new reprints as they added no new content, and the game wasn't growing fast enough. Which meant that the conversions, designed to keep as many 1.0 players as possible in the game, were a short term success, but long term failure.

@pads-zr9ln

16 күн бұрын

I did but I didn't enjoy it as much as v1

As with most Star Wars stuff nowadays, it’s all dying

@josepablolunasanchez1283

5 күн бұрын

Copyright should be abolished. Copyright creates a monopoly. If there was no monopoly there would be competition. They would be forced to make best products to survive in a market with competition.

X-wing is a really good game 1st demo I had at the club I was hocked . Spent massive amount of money , if the community comes together with rules game play etc then that’s a good thing , end of the day this news don’t really change much at least we know now , can still battle against your mates lol.

@josepablolunasanchez1283

5 күн бұрын

A board game store owner told me that franchise games have a shorter life, because the franchise needs to release new products all the time.

Man you just have described how I feel, this sucks

Nothing wrong with that, That way they can't screw them up... Play the game, have fun!!! I'm going to buy the hell out of it on discount, now!!!

I’m surprised it took this long honestly…

We need to design a PDF printable game with tokens. Printing miniatures to replace tokens should be easy. Just do not use Star Wars logo or brand or thngs that could lead to a lawsuit. Make game under creative commons.

X-wing is the new mordheim.

@pads-zr9ln

16 күн бұрын

Or blood bowl

@ADhammer

5 күн бұрын

Lmao except Mordheim was actually good.

Just look at it as a new beginning and Imperial assaults are still supported by the community. Just need to get together now and support it cuz it's a great game. Could even be a better game with a community support

Maybe shouldnt have taken the dog fighting out of the dog fighting game. 2.0 was good without the objective memes play.

X-wing on prime was unbeatable

It's not complete, they just don't want to continue to develop it. They can keep selling existing stock, but they are leaving the game in a bad state balance wise, people might have been abit happier if AMG had atleast balanced the factions before calling it quits, rather than ignoring the player base for the last year.

@ausmax1972

17 күн бұрын

To be fair, they've been ignoring X-wing for more than a year, and Armada has been effectively complete since they shifted it to AMG.

It’s been dead for a while at local games stores trying to offload product at a discount.

@josepablolunasanchez1283

5 күн бұрын

Core box sales is the core stat for publishers, as expansions only sell a fraction of copies of the core box. It behaves like movie tickets, good sales that are gradually fading.

Legion will likely be next

Not dead, but complete is a good way of looking at it. Never played it. I'm glad they are supporting tournament play.

@MrSmitejr

17 күн бұрын

Armada was definitely not complete. Clone Wars was just getting started when they took it out back and shot it.

@ThePenguinMejia

16 күн бұрын

Completely dead*

Also used to play X-wing back in the day. Eventually quit when they released that B-wing pilot that gained focus instead of stress, that plus the Millenium Falcon just turned it into a broadside game instead of a maneuvering game. But the game was fun when you found one of those rare players that liked to play the full game.

@pads-zr9ln

16 күн бұрын

Double phantoms, tlt, triple defenders, there were quite a few different lists, my favourite was angry birds, 5 tie stirickers

Well l feel the players.

Same

*AMG, Watching Acolyte* PULL UP, PULL UP, EJECT, EJECT!

@ottoweininger8156

17 күн бұрын

I wonder if brand damage is real enough to actually reach the games

@000NULL

17 күн бұрын

@@ottoweininger8156 what’s your single favorite Starwars content?

Embacer group dropping asmodee with huge debts probably made this envitable

This is what I find confusing. The game is not going to evaporate. You own the game, you own the models, you enjoy playing? Just keep playing.

And they are *not* continuing to sell ships. This is another of AMG's lies. Certain ships have been impossible to find (except at obscene, secondary market prices) for quite some time. And I will never pay twice retail cost, much less ten times retail cost.

@josepablolunasanchez1283

5 күн бұрын

Same here. Indeed I monitor prices, looking for discounts and low season prices, never scalpers.

I agree with you. X-Wing is simply the best game, full stop.

@anab0lic

17 күн бұрын

Guildball for me.

Why do you think they'll continue to sell it?

@GlassHalfDead

17 күн бұрын

Having read a bit of Reddit it seems clear they won't sell it. I was just working on the weirdness of them saying the game is done but they'll still support Tournament. So they could have wanted to still sell ships for people to play in those tournaments. But no.

@bionicgeekgrrl

16 күн бұрын

​@@GlassHalfDeadthe licence is probably non transferable I expect.

I absolutely loved X-Wing V1. The KZread channels that did unboxing videos and talked strategies for the new cards. The switch to a more "fluid" points system in V2, and then asking everyone to practically re-purchase their entire collection, immediately killed it for my group. Armada is such a niche game. More complicated than you'd think at first, but really really fun. I love my collection of it, too. The thing I appreciate the most is the models for both games are practically showroom quality. Even if I don't play, they're display worthy and look great.

So make unpainted miniatures. Duh. Make it a starter set board game for Target, Wal-Mart, etc.

They aren’t keeping up with the ships so they killed the game and let them decay. This company is awful.

In a series in which so much of the wars takes place in the stars it's absolutely absurd we no longer have a single space battle tabletop game. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Why does xwing not have a button to say I dislike this without dislike your video. :( this saddens me.

I have never seen anyone play these games at any game shop i have been to.

@TRENCHESandTREADS

16 күн бұрын

I assume your comment is meant to imply it wasn't a very successful game, but V1 X-wing *objectively* outsold literally every other competitor at the time, including GW's flagship 40k and AOS. That's right, X-wing at one point was the highest selling miniatures game of all time. So it's pretty sad how far it fell from grace.

@GlassHalfDead

16 күн бұрын

Yeah, I didn't dive into the history of the games, but I have elsewhere (or... I at least wrote it in my nolonger upcoming wtf is xwing in 2024 script lol). XWing was the game that finally dethroned 40k to the point that GW had to totally revamp their customer approach. It seems to have been the one and only time another system has made GW take ANY notice, and competition made them better. Sadly GW has once again grown to become unchallenged and so is now ignoring useful things.

@Darthvegeta8000

16 күн бұрын

X Wing was huge here until v2 hit.

Love your videos but please, PLEASE don't record notif sounds.

@GlassHalfDead

16 күн бұрын

Yeah that was very much unintentional!

Guess what... You can still play it though!

X-Wing is dead; long live X-Wing! Although it won't be easy, there are plenty of fans. Like other games, I'm sure the community will pick it up, refine the rules and 3D printing. The difficulty will mostly be trying to develop and share STLs of the star wars IP.

IF IT WAS THE BEST GAME ON THE MARKET WHY THEY KILLED IT? IF ITS MAKING MONEY WHATS THE PROBLEM I HAVE ALMOST 3000 IN X WING STUFF NOW ITS USLESS HOPE I CAN SELL IT PLAYING BOLT ACTION NOW MAY STILL PLAY LEGION.

RIP X Wing.

Ugh loved playing armada.

X Wing was my first minis games too! I only played first Ed and I'll keep playing it when I feel like!

Well, I'm headed to the secondhand market to expand the X-Wing collection. 🤷🤷🤷

No, it's dead. They are selling what they have left in stock. Fans may continue to play but it's done. AMG killed the Fuckin' game.

@josepablolunasanchez1283

5 күн бұрын

Amazon has crazy prices, I am not buying it there.

X-Wing rules are based on Runewars Miniature Game.

@GlassHalfDead

17 күн бұрын

This feels like a troll but... Runewars released after XWing. It was FFG's fantasy rank and flank that was based on Xwing's ruleset xD XWing is based on (as in, FFG literally paid a license to use the ruleset from. Or this is what I remember from the time, I've never played the WW2 version!) a game called Wings of War

@TheEr910

17 күн бұрын

@@GlassHalfDead My mistake. You are correct. My memory failed me. X-Wing 1st Ed was 2012 (I wasn't playing wargames then). Runewars was 2017. X-Wing 2nd Ed was 2018.

Sad, but not entierly unexpected. X-Wing has a hell of a community even now though. It may well survive in the same way Bloodbowl did.

Probably due to licensing fees.

Trash company cries for Star Wars license. Gets it. Lies about supporting the two most popular games for three years. Finally admits they don't have any plans after no new releases in multiple years. Nobody should be surprised by this. AMG had every opportunity to not kill either game and refused to take it.

@ausmax1972

17 күн бұрын

Asmodee gave the licence to AMG, I doubt AMG asked for it. Had they wanted X-Wing, they would have done more with it (like added it to their company website in the first year) To me (Played X-wing from 1.0 until COVID lockdowns and 2.5 killed it near me), AMG got the 3 FFG games dumped into their lap right as their own game (MCP) was picking up, and they had no resources and plans for them. They cobbled together X-Wing 2.5 to 'fix' what they thought was the problems (but misjudged much of the vocal player base), and gave X-Wing and Armada little extra energy. They focussed on Legion, as it was closer to their vision of a game (it has hobby and painting for example), and created Shatterpoint.

In order for a successful resurrection one must wait for at least 3 days (or years).

My guess is that the license wasn’t renewed by Disney.

Star Wars is truly dead.