Trafalgar is the obvious real-life example. Another one I would mention is the 1866 Battle of Lissa where the Austrians under the command of Wilhelm von Tegetthoff basically did the same to the Italians. It also shares a nice correlation with the Star Wars universe because in this particular conflict the Austrians were not only critically outnumbered but also technologically deficient, and in the fact that it was a successful attempt to break a superior blockading force.

@amarured

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Thank you for this! Looked it up. Very interesting! How did you come up with this?

@DMSProduktions

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@@amarured What do you expect from a navy from a LAND LOCKED country? LOL!

@amarured

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@@DMSProduktions What do you mean? The land locked Austrians more or less won the battle.

@dougzellers9725

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@@amarured Drachinifel

@DMSProduktions

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@@amarured LOL!

The battle of 'Truffle-gar" I just can't get over that pronunciation! XD

@TheReconSpecialist

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Knew I’d find someone bring this up. For those who don’t know; Trafalgar is pronounced Truh-fal-guh

This kind of move also heavily capitalizes on the weakness of Imperial Commanders, they are usually very egotistical and not the most tactful officers. So instead of working together there's a good chance each Star Destroyer will be doing its own thing to glory hog.

@Suisfonia

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We saw that with one officer who ignored Thawns orders and tried to gain some glory, only to lose his ship and give victory to the rebels.

@dzidkapl

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​@@Suisfonia Not exactly a victory, but a successful retreat.

@idcgaming518

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@@dzidkapl for a terrorist/freedom fighter group, surviving is a victory.

@dzidkapl

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@@idcgaming518 It can be described as a victory but only because the enemy was unable to achieve their goals.

@dzidkapl

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@@idcgaming518 They still suffered major losses.

Ackbar may be used to fighting in a three dimensional environment like the deep sea, but in the end it seems not even he is capable of being immune to Star Wars reality where space battles fight in two dimensional planes.

one of my favorite novels is a written sequel to the star wars trilogy. In those books, thrawn tries to set Akbar up to make him look like a spy trying to undermine the new republic. I thought that was a great plot, akbar is arrested as a spy being an agent to the empire. a big part of the plot is trying to figure that out and prove Akbar isnt secretly working for the empire. That book goes deep into the politics of the newly reformed republic and the various factions trying to work together and how easy it is to destroy for someone like Thrawn. that was lacking in the new canon sequels and I hated them and hardly learned anything about the new republic and those enemies were nothing like thrawn. They were more like a joke but thrawn with starkiller base would be terrifying.

Gotta love Admiral Ackbarr, I am looking forward for this new series Allen, keep it up

So. When are we getting a video on the "Holdo maneuver"?

@kinorris1709

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You mean hyperspace maneuver chapter 9 section 11?

Holy tactics Batman!

I like this new series, Im def here for this...Lets Get It!!!!! I like hearing about tatics and all of that cool stuff!!!!

It’s quite similar in the beginning phase to the 18th and 19th century tactic of “Capping the T” (also called “Crossing the T”) in which the goal was to give broadside attacks while the enemy is incapable of doing so. Ironically, by sailing straight at the enemy, you end up being in the exact position you hope to put them into and are relying upon your speed to carry you quickly enough so that way you don’t end up being destroyed or rendered combat ineffective because by sailing straight at the enemy, you are exposed to the maximum amount of fire arcs from their line. However, in SW, the imperial ships all have very good frontal combat capability so it’s would be better to engage them from the side so that their ability to bring guns to bear is cut in half so it’s clever but still has a very high inherent risk. And it would be best to cut straight through the middle as the formation of ships in the Imperial line would block the ships on the edge of the formation from firing as they would have their gun solutions occluded by friendly ships.

@josesanchezrodriguez1783

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We see both the Ackbar slash and Capping the T during the Battle of Coruscant in Wedge's Gamble. There we see some rebel star Destroyers and Home One form a line and broadside some Imperial Star Destroyers, then the Mon Cal Cruiser, Mon Remonda, went and capped the lead Destroyer's T. However that book kinda implies that the best firing arc for an ISD is it's broadside instead of the front.

@josesanchezrodriguez1783

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We see both the Ackbar slash and Capping the T during the Battle of Coruscant in Wedge's Gamble. There we see some rebel star Destroyers and Home One form a line and broadside some Imperial Star Destroyers, then the Mon Cal Cruiser, Mon Remonda, went and capped the lead Destroyer's T. However that book kinda implies that the best firing arc for an ISD is it's broadside instead of the front.

Such a good idea for a series!

Seriously enjoyed this one. Definitely interested in seeing more of these 'Tactics' videos.

Looking forward to more tactic videos. The empire has been kicking my ass in Empire at War, maybe I can turn the tide I try this maneuver.

Imagine if Grand Admiral Thrawn and Admiral Ackbar play chess against each other.

@MercenaryPen

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Judging by the battles of the Thrawn trilogy, Thrawn wins but Ackbar does delay victory and inflicts greater losses than some other commanders would

@luigimrlgaming9484

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Thrawn: You were good, I was better

@Kumimono

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"Their paintings are all water color. How does that even work?" -Thrawn, probably.

@MercenaryPen

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@@Kumimono probably some coral-based additive in the paint or something similar

@Ionstorm2002

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@@MercenaryPen More losses than any other commander in the entire New Republic combined. However that isn't really saying much considering most New Republic commanders lack the brains to even hope to challenge Thrawn.

Great video Allen!

Dorito slash: isd’s attacking the enemy ships from the top, this points the man guns towards the enemy, this can also be done from below, this works using the fact that space is not a ground battle and you can attack from all angles

really enjoyed this video hope you make more

Love this new series idea, looking at I'm interested in strategy and tactics of war and thinking of a 3D battlefield is really interesting and you could look at other aspects of military operations such as support and ground operations (such as your video on Rebel "safe worlds" and could go in the same playlist. I'm looking forward to more. You could even look at different franchises that you cover like the expanded. Thank you!

I really like this series keep it up

Really looking forward to this series

I’m so excited for this! Seeing the actual tactics broken down really makes this world seem real rather than “all ships go pew pew”

The way you said Trafalgar was hilarious......hahahahaha... awesome but funny.

Love these types of videos keep it up !

I can see the curve on that "flat plate." lol

As someone who studied military history in college, I can not wait for this series. Bravo!

Yes great series idea thank you!

Love this series

This is already becoming one of my favorite star wars series

Interesting idea for a series. I dig it. I anticipate a look at "Attack pattern 'Delta'!" (Attempted use, during the Battle of Hoth, by Rogue Squadron in "snow-speeders" against imperial "at-ats.")

I bet these are higher research time videos. Really great content

Gods thank you I've needed this

its a yes for me. I like it a lot. keep em coming

I gotta agree with Doug Zellers here. This is exactly like Nelson's maneuver at Trafalgar. Edit: I really oughta stop commenting before the end of the video 🤣😂🤣 Sorry if I doubted you, Alan.

This is basically the opposite of crossing the T but using the same idea (maximizing your ship's arc of fire while denying the enemy's).

Oh if yall doing battlefield tactics, this will be my new favorite series ^_^

Nelson also used the HMS warrior - a 4 or 5 layered ship- as intimidation it never fired a shot but sat in the background to show off British resources and to scare enemies away

Very interesting

There a move called Crossing the T. Which was/has been done once. In WW2 by the US navy against the Japanese navy in the Philippines.

@ewok40k

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and 40 years earlier by Japanese to Russian navy at Tsushima... and in WW1 by RN at Jutland versus Germans...

Looking at Ackbar, made me remeber Michiel de Ruyter facing off the biggest navy in the world De Ruyter face is also similar to Admiral Ackbar and the "slash" was done by De Ruyter too.

I'll try this tactic in Awakening of the Rebellion

so good, cant wait for the next video on this....FIYA

Yes, love it

Admiral ackbar really understood tactics, and understood how to conserve his forces.

Reminds me of the A-Wing slash from legends from Garm Bel Iblis

3:56 lol I like how he put a flate planet

1:56 In Star Trek, Starfleet ships have “Cetacean Ops”, where whales & dolphins (who are actually commissioned OFFICERS) assist with navigation.

Can’t wait for Holdo or Raddus

@karnagefails333

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Yeah the Holdo thing was insane

Considering Star Wars takes place in "a Galaxy far, far away", it's safe to assume that Nelson took inspiration from Akbar at Trafalgar 😂 Sadly, Nelson takes all recognition while my boi Gial lingers in relative anonymity

The real big problem with the maneuver is that your lead ships are going to get focused on really heavily and if you can't take the onslaught, you're essentially just going into a focused crossfire zone one ship at a time.

Or as you said work in the space and not go in this frontal movement and go round the planet or deathstar (behind it's main weapon) and attack from behind. Simple idea but a lot more effective

Can you please continue the separatist alliance vs earth series please

NICE

Cant wait for the Thrawn pincer in this series...

when is the marg sabl tactic explained video coming

talking about star wars tactics is always a bit odd because while it is technically in space it's inspired by WW2 so "2D" Shipcombat and outdated dogfighting. The Akbar Slash shows this quite well. they would positon themselves on different levels of the imagined plane and all be able to fire (and this is if they don't even try to counter this tactic) . Since the ship designs are also not made for space though some of the tactics work better (I still quite love the setting and even combat but if you are looking for realism and/or interesting space combat tactics star wars isn't the place) Edit: great video though

I don't know if you ever played SW: Empire At War but if you got yourself into a fight and used this tactic speed was crucial. Leaving out the sometimes imba heroes in this game you wanted to make sure that you didn't simply exchange capital ships for capital ships. The empire could replace those faster than you and you'd end up jumping out of every system with your smaller ships as soon as they dropped in with the new big boys. The way to achieve this was to let the Mon Calamari cruisers take a beating, but get into the firing blind spot behind them a.s.a.p. You would usually end up with your 2 front cruisers being +80% damaged but still operational while they lost their 2 closest capitals. You could then let your fighters harass one half of their fleet while your capitals cleaned up the other half with concentrated fire power. Computer opponent would usually jump out quickly at that point but I've seen humans lose an entire fleet to this Ackbar Slash. Only time you couldn't pull this off is when the empire had Boba with them, his sonic charges were simply too much and their TIE fighters would cripple your capital ships engines. Great video, looking forward to the others

My personal opinion the gar could take on any other faction/end clone wars tech/no hero’s/ nor superweapons/

I love the real world example

Ackbar is such a genius he can do like anything to beat any enemies

I recently noticed something; in the Rebels episode where they run into the battle droids the Phoenix crew get stuck in a ray shield and Ezra asks what it is, as if he’s never even heard of one. But in the clone wars they were pretty common, both on doors or even hallways they wanted locked. Considering how much time they spend sneaking around how has Ezra never even heard of ray shields?

@MonkeyJedi99

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He grew up, at first sheltered, and then on his own without a formal education, on a backwater world. It's like asking why an Ethiopian 13-year-old doesn't know about how to charge a Tesla.

@blakeetter280

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@@MonkeyJedi99 he spent like a year breaking into various high security government and military bases including several prisons, he must have encountered them at some point but the only one in the entire series to use them is the CIS

@GAcolo216

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@@blakeetter280 because it would go against the Tarkin doctrine imo. Because the idea of keeping internal security was through a show of force to inspire fear. And let’s face it, imperial ego. They just didn’t think people would break in because the idea was too frightening.

Never thought about the advantage aquatic species have in space combat.

I wonder if Thrawn's signature will be in this series. He watched Anakin do it in the second book of the canon Trilogy...Padmé said it was invented by Ahsoka. He continued to use it, even in Legends.

Great video especially with the IRL comparisons. Only thing I cringed at was the pronunciation of Trafalgar

Come for the neat tactic analysis, stay for "Truffle-gar"

@kentvesser9484

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Also liked that he referred to Admiral Nelson by his first name. Now we will have to see if the Korean admiral Yi Sun Sin and the equivalent of turtle ships makes it in.

The main reason I don't add the sequels to my head cannon is how dirty they did my boy admiral Akbar

Has anybody tried this move in playing Empire At War?

Next up the thrawn pincer

Akbar got short shafted in the new films

Londo's maneuver at Deneb?

@Kumimono

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Londo's maneuver, cheat at cards using a penile appendix? (Babylon 5 joke.)

Well now we know the mechanics of not HOW, How the Early Rebels, especially they Navy, managed to survive, escape and even win against ALOT more powerful early Empire fleet battles. In the times before major Rebel fleet event wins like Jakku.. Just think of THIS being executed there by powerful Rebel Battleships an Dreadnoughts even capable of overpowering Imperial Dreadnought lines. Which we know they HAD TO DO a few times to win that day. I imagine every play in the book Naval and Infantry saw use that particular battle

Oh. Ackbar Slash Fiction. I do wonder if the sort of, raking fire that Napoleonic ships would face from the, slasher, would have any counterpart in Star Wars.

Got it…if you make a mistake when _taking a slash,_ it can be messy.

Ackbar read up on ancient earth history and learned about this from Admiral Nelson.

Ackbar is the perfect admiral for the dolphin empire. Long live the dolphin empire!

This is a maneuver used by Nelson and Tōgō Heihachirō in reality

Three-dimensional inverse crossing the T ad modum Nelson. Yeah, "Slash" has a better ring to it....

Alan, do you think it will be a good idea to introduce the concept of nation state in Star Wars? After all, having just one galactic government controlled the entire galaxy never seemed to work.

@theawesomeman9821

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there's other independent nations in Star Wars, like the Hutt empire, and Mandalor.

@lerneanlion

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@@theawesomeman9821 But then, they ceased to exist as the Republic expanded out from the Core Worlds. The Hutts reorganized their empire into a massive criminal enterprise while the Mandalorians were defeated and have no choice but to join the Republic.

@theawesomeman9821

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@@lerneanlion In Rebels, they're forced to be allies with the Empire but aren't officially annexed.

@lerneanlion

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@@theawesomeman9821 And yet, they have Gar Saxon assigned as Imperial Viceroy on Mandalore.

Never heard Trafalgar said like that before. sounded like trufflegar

Sokka, “It’s Admiral Ackbar! Yes! Ackbar SLICE!”

Sounds like crossing the T with extra steps

Had me worried then Alan I thought you introduced the video by saying “we have a new nude series”

What about the earth vs Star Wars series?????

This isn't me taking notes for writing space battles.

battle plan :{breaking a fortified line} of battle

Adm.Ackbar was also savy enough to know you do not want to get caught in small claims court.

You are familiar with and understand a lot of military terminology. Alan, are you prior service?

@kentvesser9484

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He was a cameraman in some war zones when he was younger I think, and like a lot of us nerds, he has probably done some reading and watching of a fair amount of military history documentaries and books. I've never heard him mention military service.

@kenknowlton3085

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@@kentvesser9484 I'm a U.S. Army Veteran of 32 years service. So I perceive nuance which many others may not. I hear news media frequently use military terminology when discussing the topic but you can listen and discern the difference between practical experience and mere academics. His usage and context denotes a more intimate knowledge. He's either very well studied on the subject or has practical experience (or both) I'm just curious. Soldiers can relate to other Soldiers in a way civilians cannot.

Love the channel, the music was too loud tho.

10:51 it’s pronounced Tra FAHL gar not Trufflegar

"It's a trap!"

Thus begs a question/idea. OK, mon cal are good at 3d engagement. So why is this a 2d maneuver? Why does nobody roll under the isd, bringing one side then the other to bear on the part of the ship w no heavy turbos? Why aren't the imp captains trained to roll their ships to keep max firepower on the enemy? Seems to me that a space battle should look more like a rats nest of flight paths, as each trys to keep their weapons on target, and their weak points shielded. It's not a football play, Sw mostly falls into the same traps other scifi does in picturing a near flat battlefield. I've heard a ton of times that the isd is designed to put a lot of power forward.ok, so it has designed fire arcs. So why would you want to be there? Drop below the belt line, and the amount of fire you'd take hits the crapper. Twist up behind one, and you're in the sweet zone to take out engines. These are not thrawn level insights. I don't know why it doesn't come up more. Edit: on the idea of blockades: OK I get the idea of being waiting on the hyperspace exit points to wreck whoever pops out. But did noone think "drop out sooner, and microjump to ...maybe the other side of the planet?"

no matter what you do the force will do it for you

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Hmm, it really is a dangerous move with higher rewards knowing the empires gunners, they'll probably start shooting regardless of the cross fire. Just my imo Much tactical :o I wonder if it could make imperial commanders go ITS A TRAP! Because of all the crossfire.or use it as a trap!

Lack of tactics you mean they wasted a lot of ships especially in rebels

Gial Ackbar? more like Giga Chadbar

Really a shame what they did with Ackbar in the Last Jedi... but then again what hasn't Disney Star Wars broken (or broken yet)

@karnagefails333

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I reluctantly, finally watched that one a few days ago and to my suprise I actually really liked it. They did dismiss Ackbar quickly though.

Umm these Moncalamari overlooked the fact that lasers do NOT work under water lol !

@omarbaba9892

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Except they do watch clone wars

@DMSProduktions

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@@omarbaba9892 I HAVE! All 7 seasons!

Me thinking the whole time: but will this work in star wars empire at war?...

IT'S A TRAP!