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Whether you loved it or hated it, chances are you have some thoughts about the latest Star Wars film. But what if we consider the film in the greater context of historical epics? Let's find out in this latest Wisecrack Edition on Star Wars: An Apology.
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  • @mignaultj
    @mignaultj4 жыл бұрын

    1:58 for AD SKIP

  • @DollopWise
    @DollopWise4 жыл бұрын

    Injecting new ideas into the mythos of Star Wars is great when it's coherent and doesn't conflict with already established mythos.

  • @edfagan4251
    @edfagan42514 жыл бұрын

    Yes the writers of the new trilogy were facing a nearly impossible task but--I can't be the only one that thinks they could have done a far better job.

  • @balleet210

    @balleet210

    4 жыл бұрын

    No, you are not.

  • @liberpolo5540

    @liberpolo5540

    4 жыл бұрын

    Maybe less nostalgia and more imagination.

  • @TalosBjorn

    @TalosBjorn

    4 жыл бұрын

    A much, much, much better job

  • @alexanderkeltz1596

    @alexanderkeltz1596

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ed Fagan I'd argue that their task (make a sequel trilogy) was actually rather easy. Episode 6 ended all major points of interest in both the ot and pt, leaving the sequels little baggage but lore consistency to manage. How far into the future can they set the trilogy? There was no limit. Ep6 emplied that a new republic was inevitable, but if the writers wanted to do something shortly after ep6 they could still do that. Could luke handle the responsibility of starting a new Jedi order? What changes does he make? Is he cut out to be a teacher? Will the new republic get in his way with politics, creating a conflict between Luke and Leia? Seriously, there are so many opportunities that the sequel trilogy had, it should have made writing them easy with how open it was. As for appeasing fans, hire a respected starwars writer or just get Lucas (with restraints). EZ money.

  • @liberpolo5540

    @liberpolo5540

    4 жыл бұрын

    Alexander Keltz Yeah, did u know that TROS screenwriter was the same as Batman vs Superman ?

  • @peterherron4222
    @peterherron42224 жыл бұрын

    love or hate it, it was genuinely the first Star Wars movie I was bored watching. That says everything

  • @christophermarabella5683

    @christophermarabella5683

    4 жыл бұрын

    Even worse than Phantom Menace?

  • @ballinbalgruuf8198

    @ballinbalgruuf8198

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@christophermarabella5683 the phantom menace is amazing and has coherent story and theme. Also memes

  • @Sukh.Sanghera
    @Sukh.Sanghera4 жыл бұрын

    Disney did NOT have to "conclude a story 40 years in the making" it was already concluded with Return of the Jedi. They forced out three entirely unnecessary stories. They brought this on themselves.

  • @DollopWise

    @DollopWise

    4 жыл бұрын

    AMEN! It's like they wanted to force (pun not intended) the new trilogy into relevance by tying it into the other 6 movies. when they didn't need to.

  • @alphabetaed3007

    @alphabetaed3007

    4 жыл бұрын

    Agreed! Just build a damn theme park or make spinoff stuff

  • @thejediofchicago6580

    @thejediofchicago6580

    4 жыл бұрын

    At the very least, they could have just jumped forward 50 years in time (keeping the EU as canon) and started from scratch that way.

  • @sorensorensen9567

    @sorensorensen9567

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ikr if they wanted to make more movies so bad why not just adapt the legends? They could have given us the New Republic, they could have given us Luke's new jedi order, they could have given us Mara Jade Skywalker. But instead they gave us crylo ren and the mary suest mary sue of all time 🙄

  • @commanderdorr2641

    @commanderdorr2641

    4 жыл бұрын

    I agree 100%, and if they had only kept the extended universe, they had PLENTY of material to work with, George Lucas even says this in the interview when he sold it. It was just Kathleen Kennedy's man hating propaganda that changes EVERYTHING about the story.

  • @animeveteran
    @animeveteran4 жыл бұрын

    A problem I have with the direction Abrams took this is that he was so set on concluding EVERYTHING. Except I don't see that as an expectation anyone had viewing this trilogy. We didn't need a conclusion to the prequels, original trilogy, AND the sequels. Those previous stories were wrapped. Done. This was the time for a new tale to be woven, for the passage of an entire universe onto a new generation with their own struggles, their own enemies, their own adventures. But Abrams and Disney didn't go for that. They wanted mass appeal that spanned every single movie and brought it all into one place. Which is ridiculous, and wound up making this final entry an absolute mess. It didn't help that this rapid churn-out rate the company forces these kinds of epics into proves only detrimental. It was massively disappointing. And leaves me with a very sour taste in my mouth towards the entire sequel trilogy.

  • @sdagoth3037

    @sdagoth3037

    4 жыл бұрын

    YES! THIS!

  • @Euclides287

    @Euclides287

    4 жыл бұрын

    Exactly! Nobody asked for a sequel to the events we saw in the *original trilogy.* Now I can't watch *Return of the Jedi* without thinking all of this is pointless because *somehow* The Empire will return stronger than ever in episode 7. Don't ask how, because there's no logic storytelling or *character arc* in anything we write, just gives us your money and shut up.

  • @ignaciotaborda6538

    @ignaciotaborda6538

    4 жыл бұрын

    I for one, the things that has me all feed up is basically it's a Skywalker story or somebody really close to them, like in previous 10.000 years in the galaxy did it was always a Skywalker who saved it or what?

  • @barkasz6066

    @barkasz6066

    4 жыл бұрын

    Tyler Staley yeah he wanted to conclude everything without starting anything. RotJ was a perfect ending. The original trilogy established a world with a history, everything new had to stem from that. There were rules that even Old Republic stories had to follow, and they were about as free to tell their story as they wanted to. You can’t just pull the First Order out pf nowhere and expect people to care about it in 3 movies. They come, it’s Empire 2.0 except more incompetent, and they are out the window a year later (in universe time there is like a year between TFA and TROS).

  • @barkasz6066

    @barkasz6066

    4 жыл бұрын

    Cletus Spuckler except that new Empire is more incompetent than ever and they are literally gone in a little over a year. They would have been better off setting these movies shortly after Return of the Jedi, following new heroes who battle Imperial warlords and such. Or start with the Rogue One type spin offs and Mandalorian and over time build up the First Order through them like Avengers. The same way how the Clone Wars was unavoidable for any Star Wars prequel story, establishing the rise of a new threat should have been unavoidable. Wanting to use the original cast limited things of course. It would have been hard to understand how they aged 30 years in 5-10 in universe years. And de-aging everyone would have been just as big a disaster.

  • @IMacar
    @IMacar4 жыл бұрын

    "The rebel's struggling after a crushing defeat." A ridiculously successful rear-guard action and evacuation where 90+% of the rebel forces at that base escape and regroup at *another* hidden location, vs there were so few rebels left that they all fit on the Millenium Falcon with plenty of elbow room. There being only a dozen rebels left is apparently the call to arms that the galaxy needed after no one responded to their distress calls / call to arms in the previous movie.

  • @PurpleIsALetter
    @PurpleIsALetter4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I'm sure Episode 9 borrowed its sloppy editing from an ancient Greek play or something. Seems legit.

  • @flisboac

    @flisboac

    4 жыл бұрын

    Their whole argument is way too absurd to be taken seriously. This preach about resonance is merely an excuse to be over-reliable on overused elements and not contribute anything to the canon as a whole. The new trilogy is effectively not telling anything new.

  • @Lordblow1
    @Lordblow14 жыл бұрын

    Still prefer the Old Republic stories over everything else from Star Wars.

  • @themastermason1

    @themastermason1

    4 жыл бұрын

    The more removed from the movies the better at this point.

  • @pizzaparker9544

    @pizzaparker9544

    4 жыл бұрын

    Someone described as all the toys are in the toy box as in all the sith are there , all the jedi are there, both the republic and the empire are at their height. Those things all together just make the old republic my favorite time period in SW

  • @Lordblow1

    @Lordblow1

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@pizzaparker9544 for me it is also the fact that, at least in kotor 2 and the mmo, the stories go rather far beyond the simple good and evil. In particular in the mmo where you can have light side sith and dark side jedi. In particular the mmo does that well as there are no gameplay effects of going light or dark side or even neutral. Nothing destroys an ethical dilemma like getting massive buffs from one option and nothing from the other.

  • @themastermason1

    @themastermason1

    4 жыл бұрын

    The 2D Clone Wars series is my only exception.

  • @pizzaparker9544

    @pizzaparker9544

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Lordblow1 Doing a light side Sith right now and it's one of if not my most favorite star wars stories

  • @Kalleosini
    @Kalleosini4 жыл бұрын

    I'm sorry "love it or hate it"? no thank you. Hate implies passion, what I feel is apathy.

  • @Takunoyume

    @Takunoyume

    4 жыл бұрын

    Is that a reference to Kreia or is it just my imagination?

  • @jonbojsenkvrndrup8180

    @jonbojsenkvrndrup8180

    4 жыл бұрын

    apassion

  • @Firegen1

    @Firegen1

    4 жыл бұрын

    Apathy is it. Mind you it’s hard as non partisan audience to begin with. I feel like a Trekkie in the mist. Jane of the Gowron.

  • @Kalleosini

    @Kalleosini

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@HelenHunt69 Thank you friend, I was waiting for that.

  • @devinbradshaw9756

    @devinbradshaw9756

    4 жыл бұрын

    You must train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose.

  • @danieladam6588
    @danieladam65884 жыл бұрын

    I feel like y’all are making excuses for Star Wars.

  • @stonewall286

    @stonewall286

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's called a job application.

  • @ShahirHameed

    @ShahirHameed

    4 жыл бұрын

    Isn't everybody? Not just this

  • @LtDavidB312

    @LtDavidB312

    4 жыл бұрын

    This channel and others have gone out of their way to do that because they’re worried about losing future promo deals and potential backlash from other channels. It’s silly.

  • @zephodb

    @zephodb

    4 жыл бұрын

    More for Disney, less for Star Wars. c.c

  • @Canggihgf

    @Canggihgf

    4 жыл бұрын

    that's philosophy to you

  • @91UnclesRemuses
    @91UnclesRemuses4 жыл бұрын

    "Maybe we can ignore bad writing if we compare it with stories where inconsistencies were a feature.

  • @dragunov815

    @dragunov815

    4 жыл бұрын

    HA!

  • @ThisisKyle

    @ThisisKyle

    4 жыл бұрын

    It was more of a byproduct rather than a feature

  • @orbaitv5991

    @orbaitv5991

    4 жыл бұрын

    bad writting your ass

  • @timmathias5631
    @timmathias56314 жыл бұрын

    No amount of contextualization can salvage the sequel trilogy

  • @trichogaster1183

    @trichogaster1183

    4 жыл бұрын

    precisely

  • @dtinagliastudios

    @dtinagliastudios

    4 жыл бұрын

    cringe hater just wait 10-15 years, like what happened to the prequels

  • @Blodhelm

    @Blodhelm

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@dtinagliastudios You mean wait until another trilogy comes out that is somehow worse than the sequels? Ouch.

  • @sirdragonmoon7092

    @sirdragonmoon7092

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@dtinagliastudios the prequels are different than the last trilogy in the sence that the prequels started bad but got decent on episode 2 and 3. The third trilogy started with a very safe movie which made it way better than the first prequel. The second of the third sequel was provably the worst of all the movies, and the last one ignored alot from the second which although it was smart to ignore the most hated one, however many decisions that were made in them were seriously bad. The last trilogy specially the last to felt less like epics and more like heroes movies.

  • @Terminalsanity

    @Terminalsanity

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@dtinagliastudios Nope in 10-15 years even more people will realize that Episodes Vll and lX are complete unmitigated narrative trash.Its only downhill from here.

  • @kevinkorenke3569
    @kevinkorenke35694 жыл бұрын

    If JJ Abrams had only used these techniques in the Star Wars series I would be more inclined to agree with you. The man is Infamous for using appeals to nostalgia in order to lend extra weight and Credence to his movies. Look at what happened with Star Trek. He wasn't trying to establish greater thematic elements, the man was just generously sprinkling references to other Star Trek movies and shows in order to remind us what universe is he is writing for at the moment. It is not the storytelling of a modern-day bard But Blind regurgitation remember berries in order to cash in on nostalgia.

  • @GrandacornGrandacorn

    @GrandacornGrandacorn

    4 жыл бұрын

    Bro your right on the money 👌

  • @sharilshahed6106

    @sharilshahed6106

    4 жыл бұрын

    The only complaint that I seem to find Abram's Star Trek movies are getting are from the ones that preferred the pre-boot William Shatner era elements and the lack of their themes in the current timeline. Despite that, The Star Trek movies are examples of what he did right. They are Sci Fi, the characters are true to their nature and the storyline is consistent. Nothing that is true in Star Wars, which messed up mostly because of the total lack of direction of Disney and Lucasfilm's. And I'm aware of the rumors such as Abrams missing the storyboard meetings, but even Rian Johnson, who recently made Knives Out which was pretty good, didn't do great, did he? Instead used his total freedom to derail any potential direction JJ would've had, forcing him to adopt the safer route. So to you and those spouting this kind of half baked contradictions, just stop riding in the coattail of generic hate. I won't defend Abrams entirely for not coming up with something better than the flustercluck. But sniffing faults in his other works that weren't as bad is also stupid af.

  • @johnstajduhar9617

    @johnstajduhar9617

    4 жыл бұрын

    He’s one of those hack frauds I keep hearing so much about

  • @Blodhelm

    @Blodhelm

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@sharilshahed6106 I got some complaints about JJ Trek, and those movies are not Sci-Fi nor Star Trek. The characters are not true to their natures and ignore their histories half the time. Uhura and Spock? Scotty stealing Archer's dog and killing it with the transporter? If you ever watched the old show, you'd know that Scotty would never do anything like that. The JJ Trek movies don't even make sense, a first-year cadet gets command of a starship with hundreds of officers on it for Roddenberry's sake. The whole plots are driven by accidents and coincidences and in the second one, they cured DEATH with "magic blood." I haven't met any Trekkies or Trekkers who liked them, only people who weren't fans and didn't care about the franchise finding them "exciting."

  • @Lazurit8

    @Lazurit8

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm a hardcore trekkie and my main complaint about JJ movies is that they are different subgenre of sci-fi. TOS is almost idillic and utopian in it's view of future, where JJ verse feels cold and kinda fearfull, putting the action elements ahead of sci-fi ones. In my expirience fans, that come into the fandom because of JJ, often find TOS too naive and low stakes. JJ would be better to reboot Voyager, DS-9 or ENT, that have more agressive feel, but they aren't lucrative enough for Disney. Also, LENSE FLARES

  • @Zwickerly2
    @Zwickerly24 жыл бұрын

    The existence of the marvel franchise kind of shoots your apologetics in the foot. It's a movie series with more movies, more directors, and a far more complex world that not only stayed relatively consistent but ended its story with a very happy fan base.

  • @clarapilier
    @clarapilier4 жыл бұрын

    My commitment to this channel is so big that I went through 13 minutes plus of shit I don't care about. I was just answering to people asking where is Jared.

  • @jlupus8804
    @jlupus88044 жыл бұрын

    At least “Homer” and Arthurian writers knew a hero should never win so easily.

  • @headecas

    @headecas

    4 жыл бұрын

    No idea what u talkin bout but major burn

  • @sharilshahed6106

    @sharilshahed6106

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@headecas name checks out.

  • @Keyser666

    @Keyser666

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hey, Disney Star Wars doesn't do Heroes Journeys anymore. They're sexist patriarchal constructions.

  • @ElSonambulo6

    @ElSonambulo6

    4 жыл бұрын

    Then you haven't heard of Lancelot when he was introduced

  • @stephenrice3299

    @stephenrice3299

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@jebblottin92 Bruh, he was shot with a Wookie bowcaster before that fight, not just any bowcaster, but the very same one previously shown to BLOW UP stormtroopers. Idk how Sith apprentice and Stormtrooper armor differs, but he was clearly shown to be in a LOT of pain and struggling that entire fight. I don't think it's fair to call her a Mary Sue for holding her ground there. I won't defend ROS cause honestly idek how far apart that movie is from TLJ, but for TFA it was reasonable she could beat him with that gaping untreated wound.

  • @stevens1753
    @stevens17534 жыл бұрын

    The fact that you have to go so far in order to make the sequels look good says it all

  • @laurocoman

    @laurocoman

    4 жыл бұрын

    Polishing a turd at its finest.

  • @elinicoritale6384

    @elinicoritale6384

    4 жыл бұрын

    The shill is strong with this one.

  • @TheThreatenedSwan
    @TheThreatenedSwan4 жыл бұрын

    Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products. Everything megacorps make is good, and you're a bad person if you think otherwise

  • @goatymcgoatface3575

    @goatymcgoatface3575

    4 жыл бұрын

    Exactly, and if new movies completely contradict previously established rules of the universe and character traits, just compare it to a time when stories were almost always told by mouth. That makes it all better

  • @elinicoritale6384

    @elinicoritale6384

    4 жыл бұрын

    Aha... I see you watched as much RLM as me 🤣

  • @paulpoping1
    @paulpoping14 жыл бұрын

    I guess I just thought it would have been cool if they had made a good movie...

  • @teethgrinder83

    @teethgrinder83

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, over the whole 40yrs lol

  • @DarkHunter047

    @DarkHunter047

    4 жыл бұрын

    And they made it, the name is The Last Jedi.

  • @ravenwhiteduck6460

    @ravenwhiteduck6460

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@DarkHunter047 very funny

  • @yinnyonline

    @yinnyonline

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@DarkHunter047 ha.

  • @JustinY.
    @JustinY.4 жыл бұрын

    Forget the newest Star Wars, the clone wars animated series is where its at.

  • @ratmeat3164

    @ratmeat3164

    4 жыл бұрын

    How did you get here so fast

  • @BugVlogs

    @BugVlogs

    4 жыл бұрын

    YOU AGAIN

  • @Emike-nc9ew

    @Emike-nc9ew

    4 жыл бұрын

    and the mandalorian.

  • @RadiantJo

    @RadiantJo

    4 жыл бұрын

    It’s the return of the KING

  • @themans8226

    @themans8226

    4 жыл бұрын

    Justin's back!

  • @StarScream0722
    @StarScream07224 жыл бұрын

    11:45. I think we do have the capacity as an audience to accept inconsistency but it has to be from a different person. People like watching the Fan-fic movies, parodies like the Family Guy run, or other adventures in a different tone (The Madalorian). But the main canon, controlled by Disney (or any corporation that will sue you if you mess with their capitalism), the story can't deviate in tone or quality this much in 4 years. Its just sloppy work from a corporation that owns everything.

  • @yomarcelojeje
    @yomarcelojeje4 жыл бұрын

    Woooow, 13 minutes to avoid saying ep9 makes no fucking sense. Nicely done.

  • @leonmayne797
    @leonmayne7974 жыл бұрын

    Multiple versions of the same story with different interpretations is one thing, but when different instalments of the same trilogy use a conflicting interpretation, that's a problem.

  • @denisbulgaranov9132
    @denisbulgaranov91324 жыл бұрын

    I'd say that it's a big leap of logic to say that the sequel trilogy is introducing new ideas

  • @bradwright9477

    @bradwright9477

    4 жыл бұрын

    Love or hate the ideas, there definitely were new ideas

  • @Peecamarke

    @Peecamarke

    4 жыл бұрын

    Most of the old fans I heard criticizing it, was because it brought in too many new things

  • @luigifan001

    @luigifan001

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@bradwright9477 name 3

  • @Letsplay1332

    @Letsplay1332

    4 жыл бұрын

    New ideas=ignoring the rules about the force

  • @ArcanePath360

    @ArcanePath360

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@bradwright9477 TFA was basically A New Hope 2.0. The only new idea was a CGI monster on the Falcon.

  • @chestbuster1987
    @chestbuster19874 жыл бұрын

    "We very consciously tried to borrow.." aka. "We can't add anything new to this universe because we don't have a clear enough grasp of the style or elements that made the previous ones great so we're going to try to re-tell the same story and hope to sell more merch" Sorry, WiseCrack but not even you can polish this one..

  • @darcflame37

    @darcflame37

    4 жыл бұрын

    True and "modern audience" issue applies to any modern epic made today, and all films deal with a modern audience. SW doesn't get a free pass nor do the others. "Sophisticated standards", all films are under this scrutiny today.

  • @Masarofia

    @Masarofia

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well, we've seen the reaction from "fans" when something different was tried, aka TLJ. Yeah sure, the story arc with Finn and Rose is definitely not the best, but it still serves some purpose (find a traitorous hacker that will hurt the rebellion even more), but most of the movie is trying something different from the others, and a lot of people hated it, trying to pinpoint the most ridiculous things ever on the movie without realizing the old movies did way worse in many ways ("fuck the TLJ penguins! THEY SUCK for the 30 seconds total we see them in the movie!", meanwhile we have teddy bears destroying the most powerful army of the galaxy for 30 minutes in one of the old movies and no one blinks an eye). I still think TLJ was the best star wars movie we ever got. Something that was not all black and white, with good character development (Rogue One, while being pretty dark, which is cool, barely have any, thus making it kinda... meh IMO), and some fucking awesome build up that got completely trashed by that fan fiction we got as a last movie. I wanted to see Kylo being the master, not some puppet to a "new" guy coming out of nowhere. I wanted to see that everyone outside the Skywalkers and Palpatine had meaning in that universe, which TROS totally retconned. Getting rid of the old stuff was the best thing they could do and now we are back to it. Anyway, seeing people hating on Knives Out because it's a film made by Ryan Johnson says a lot about those fans. It's outrage culture, and it's fucking dumb. Note : I don't think TROS is a good movie, and it being canon really hurts the universe more than anything, but I still had a fun time watching it. As a fan fiction, it's fun, I don't hate it at all, I simply wish it would have been better.

  • @PhyreI3ird

    @PhyreI3ird

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm not saying it was perfect or even good but what JJ did with the movies wasn't just copying things. The events and moments have similarities but substantial differences that (intentionally or not) in a cool way kind of suit the Mark Twain quote of "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does like to rhyme." It seems like a lot of people are just content with spotting the similarities and not sparing anymore thought to them, and I wish that weren't the case.

  • @caad5258

    @caad5258

    4 жыл бұрын

    indeed

  • @aaronwebb1548

    @aaronwebb1548

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Masarofia To be fair, the reaction to Ewoks was pretty extreme at the time. People didn't like the perceived idea that Lucas was using fuzzy animal characters to appeal to children and sell toys, and were worried it would be at the expense of the narrative. So it isn't like this is the first time exactly this has happened with star wars, just that this time they apparently didn't even bother to make the character/s necessary to the plot at all, so, arguably a "worse" cash grab.

  • @geoff7500
    @geoff75004 жыл бұрын

    This feels like you're really stretching. In the Arthur example a group of writers worked collectively to build on what they had while still trying to remain true to the heart of the story. Where as with star wars the writers are telling a conflicting narrative while constantly lifting plots and characters from the orginal in attempt to please people rather then make a new or interesting story.

  • @kirbymarchbarcena
    @kirbymarchbarcena4 жыл бұрын

    Shit happens...and Disney did it to the SW lore that so many people beloved.

  • @mikemicalroman
    @mikemicalroman4 жыл бұрын

    “Let’s not look at the Star Wars movies as films that require good editing, acting, scripts, or basic storytelling, but from a pseudo philosophical perspective to TRY & make them seem good”

  • @AzathotFilm

    @AzathotFilm

    4 жыл бұрын

    Star Wars is a Human Centipede of shilling and advertisements and we are at the rear end. AND NOW HERE IS HONEY!

  • @bl4nkd4hli4

    @bl4nkd4hli4

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@AzathotFilm Exactly.

  • @maneonanewplanenigga5162

    @maneonanewplanenigga5162

    4 жыл бұрын

    i firmly believe anybody supportive of the new director raping the story and rehashing it painfully is paid to do so. just like indiana jones.

  • @d_9696

    @d_9696

    4 жыл бұрын

    You must be a true fan if you hate Star Wars like that

  • @michaellopez4358

    @michaellopez4358

    4 жыл бұрын

    I know right? Psuedointellectual excuses for bad story telling. I hated this episode.

  • @victorcollnunez5517
    @victorcollnunez55174 жыл бұрын

    I strongly disagree with your comparison with king Arthur, as his story changed and evolved according to the tastes of the audience through the years. JJ Abrams seems posed in not changing anything and I don't think he has brought anything new nor has he expanded the Star Wars universe in any meaningful way, even undoing the work of Jhonson. Everything in his movies is either recycled (and yes, recycled is the right term) or doesen't bring anything interesting. This should have been a deep or dumb episode.

  • @marshall5912

    @marshall5912

    4 жыл бұрын

    Victor Coll Nuñez this is why I like The Last Jedi so much. It’s not trying to re-imagine the OG trilogy, like Force Awakens or Rise of Skywalker. Hell, the entire message of the movie was that the past is important but we can’t get so bogged down in it what we forget the present and future.

  • @thewhatness
    @thewhatness4 жыл бұрын

    Horrific editing aside (and it is bafflingly horrific), it's the sheer bad faith with which TRoS was made that makes it not only aggravating, but downright exhausting. It spends so much time trying to "course correct" all the meaningful thematic additions that The Last Jedi imparted, that it forgets to tell a story of its own. It comes off more as an appeasing repudiation of the previous film than a singular movie experience in its own right.

  • @aperson9556
    @aperson95564 жыл бұрын

    So if we went back 500 years, everything is fine.

  • @princeprocrastinate6485
    @princeprocrastinate64854 жыл бұрын

    I see what you're going for here... still doesn't make me like the sequel trilogy any better. Modern epics compared to ancient epics is like apples and oranges, similar but not really the same.

  • @denisl2760

    @denisl2760

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah this analogy doesn't really make sense. A folk legend told by lots of different people over hundreds of years with no plan or authority is obviously going to have inconsistencies and different versions. A movie franchise owned by one company, who calls all the shots, they knew they were making a trilogy from the start. There is no excuse for not having a plan in place.

  • @Mr0Anonymous0

    @Mr0Anonymous0

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's nice he tries to give a different perspective as a means to see it in a different light (and maybe enjoy it likewise) but it doesn't really hold up no.

  • @Penguin_pablo17

    @Penguin_pablo17

    4 жыл бұрын

    Why can't fruit be compared

  • @MagicPlayaFTW

    @MagicPlayaFTW

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well, I hold ancient epics to the same standard, and yea, they're just as bad.

  • @barkasz6066

    @barkasz6066

    4 жыл бұрын

    Similar like a puddle and a lake. Both are areas containing water. The end.

  • @mattreitz1466
    @mattreitz14664 жыл бұрын

    Honestly, they could just make good, lore consistent movies. I think you are over-analyzing this one.

  • @TheDeathmail

    @TheDeathmail

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes and no... the issue is also the fact that it's a sequel to a movie that came out 30+ years before means that it's dealing with baggage of real time. And the fact that it's trying to continue conflict after a happily ever after people enjoyed 30+ years ago. Oh, and then they try to fallen hero trope out of left field for a hero of hope people had as a legend for 30+ years. And the fact that Star Wars was a space fantasy that was based on over all simple ideas of good and evil rather than being a philosophical conflict and trauma..

  • @sheodagana2863
    @sheodagana28634 жыл бұрын

    The heart of Star Wars lies in its setting and aesthetic, and that's why I've always thought it would work best as a TV series. The Mandalorian wasn't perfect, but it confirmed my suspicions.

  • @MasterGhostf

    @MasterGhostf

    4 жыл бұрын

    Games and tv shows fit it best. Watch the animated Clone Wars series, super good. Any of the video games are really good for a storytelling medium

  • @sheodagana2863

    @sheodagana2863

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@MasterGhostf I watched it when it first aired! It was great!

  • @jchampagne2

    @jchampagne2

    4 жыл бұрын

    Underrated comment, this does kind of get at the point they're trying to make. Star Wars is a modern mythology, a cast of archtypes meant to be picked up and played around with, without super-tight constraint by any one rights-holder (hence the success of the EU). Where Disney went somewhat wrong with this in mind is that they used the existing pieces in ways they were never meant to be used so that they could introduce their own new pieces. Where people weren't satisfied with the prequels was that they really didn't have any recognizable cast to gravitate towards, while also being bombarded with a largely foreign aesthetic (compared to the original trilogy). You hit the nail on the head re: the Mandalorian. It's undeniably Star Wars, but Mando is like a latter-generation greek hero living his own odyssey in the shadow of foregone heroes.

  • @eciyk

    @eciyk

    4 жыл бұрын

    I actually like Rouge One so much because it wasnt messing with the original characters and it was set in tje right time and universe. I wish the New Trilogy was brave enough to look at the issues from a different angle than riding in the coattails of the original characters

  • @Blodhelm
    @Blodhelm4 жыл бұрын

    JJ Abrams, murderer of franchises, murderer of Science Fiction/Fantasy franchises. The man who presents in flashing packaging, questions to the audience that fly in the face of everything that came before, with plots centered around finding their mysterious answers, yet who doesn't have the answers himself and never did. The "mystery box" peddler who gets the prizes for the boxes from the back end of his dog. And that's the nicest thing I can say about him and his camp, KK and RJ included.

  • @adonai3676
    @adonai36764 жыл бұрын

    Wasn't Dookus curved saber the result of Christopher Lee's request? He knew duelling with swords and brought his knowledge to the set

  • @rosslytle5700

    @rosslytle5700

    4 жыл бұрын

    🎶 Doo- Dookus- Dookus Meek 🎶

  • @rosslytle5700

    @rosslytle5700

    4 жыл бұрын

    🎶 Dookus Meek Gay-Frogged! Dookus Meek Gay-Frogged🎶

  • @RickReasonnz

    @RickReasonnz

    4 жыл бұрын

    Indeed. It is more of a pistol grip, common in fencing, that allows great control of the blade.

  • @draconusfrigidus

    @draconusfrigidus

    4 жыл бұрын

    So the same issue as Darth Maul's double bladed saber (because Ray Park was an expert in staff fighting so he wanted his weapon to resemble something similar)?

  • @PhazonX

    @PhazonX

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@draconusfrigidus But, with the double-bladed lightsaber, it did actually debut in the comics before it appeared in Episode I, though with a smaller hilt.

  • @Elidext
    @Elidext4 жыл бұрын

    remember when Wisecrack had thought provoking quality videos..

  • @fire2box

    @fire2box

    4 жыл бұрын

    First cracked now wisecracked. 😢

  • @carlosmorazan1714

    @carlosmorazan1714

    4 жыл бұрын

    Pepperidge Farm remembers...

  • @dentoncrimescene

    @dentoncrimescene

    4 жыл бұрын

    Bit rude.

  • @Elidext

    @Elidext

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@dentoncrimescene just my honest opinion. in the last 10 videos, 3 has been about Star Wars.. 2 about the Oscars. I unsubbed anyway if they want to keep putting out videos to get clicks about generic topics they'll get more viewers overall but prob lose the core viewers that's been watching for a while

  • @Atheismo9760

    @Atheismo9760

    4 жыл бұрын

    no

  • @ReignTheTempest
    @ReignTheTempest4 жыл бұрын

    The Rise of Skywalker didn't receive the "What WWent Wrong" treatment as that of The Last Jedi. Now I wonder why? This is quite a poor attempt to defend this movie.

  • @andrewbaumann2661

    @andrewbaumann2661

    4 жыл бұрын

    Maybe kicking something/someone when it's already down just gets boring after a while.

  • @teddybeast
    @teddybeast4 жыл бұрын

    My real problem with the sequel trilogy was that it just felt directionless and just changed so drastically from one movie to the next with no really connection points or even a continuous story. It felt like each movie was trying to say a different thing or take me in a different direction than the previous movie was going. It felt like they had no plan and were just winging it the whole time. Another thing that bummed me out from the start is that they had a story that was already in place that would have been great to see on screen, that being the books! If they had just used those to their benefit it would have been so great and the book had already proven to be well liked by the fan base but Disney threw them out and gave that cannon the ax in favor of getting the next big 'twist' so the fans wouldn't see what was coming which is just so stupid. The 'twist' or the surprise doesn't matter if the story can't get you care enough that it's happening. I mean, the 'twist' at the end of ROTS just had me shrugging. That whole movie was just very middle of the road for me, or well the whole trilogy was middle of the road for me. By the point I just didn't care enough for the twist to grab me in any sort of way. I don't hate the sequel trilogy but I don't love it either. It just gets a big ole Kanye shrug from me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @mcvicker805
    @mcvicker8054 жыл бұрын

    Your argument is 'It's like an homeric poem!' with extra steps. None of your arguments address problems with the character Rey, the deus ex machina of an entire fleet of old Empire ships, Palpatine's sudden reappearance as bait for audience re-investment, Luke and Han getting short-shrift... and it took you 13 minutes to not address these issues.

  • @pikpockett

    @pikpockett

    4 жыл бұрын

    That wasnt what the video was about though it was about considering the effects of adaptations becoming part of the cannon similar to old times where retellings were the norm

  • @Peecamarke

    @Peecamarke

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think you missed the point of the video my dude

  • @mcvicker805

    @mcvicker805

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Peecamarke Negative. The point is to validate the new Star Wars franchise under the Disney umbrella and then embrace our new corporate overlords regardless of their whimsical mistreatment of our favorite childhood fantasies. He did this by blowing over every single argument against the SW sequels by using his 'homeric epic' argument -- completely ignoring the fact that this is a red herring. His point, is actually, not the point.

  • @Johan-yd8ly

    @Johan-yd8ly

    4 жыл бұрын

    Other people have already addressed the main problem with your comment, so I’ll just say, the fleet of old ships isn’t a deus ex machina? It’s more of a MacGuffin if anything, or at least control of it is the MacGuffin? Deus ex machina would be like, the other 100s of ships showing up at the end out of nowhere, but they did try to set it up (but I still think it’s deus ex machina)

  • @marisolnava9567

    @marisolnava9567

    4 жыл бұрын

    To be fair, all those flaws exist in epic literature, and the point of the video is to show how Star Wars is similar to Homeric and Arthurian lore. He did say that Star Wars was filled with inconsistencies similar to epics, but that modern audiences don't just accept them. The video was not supposed to dwell on that, though. Sounds like you just like watching people trash on Star Wars.

  • @L0LWTF1337
    @L0LWTF13374 жыл бұрын

    So what I'm getting from this is: Star Wars might be crap but if we wait 1000 years then better authors will picked up the few things that were good in the movies and made something out of it? Great point mate.

  • @aaronwebb1548

    @aaronwebb1548

    4 жыл бұрын

    1,000 years down the line new authors won't be allowed to touch star wars, Disney will keep pushing for creators to have the right to profit off of their own work several millennia after their death. Because those authors' corpses have a right to that money! (And Disney has no right to it but hoards it anyway)

  • @mr.guydude
    @mr.guydude4 жыл бұрын

    You really should have called this video: Creative Bankruptcy: A Justification Seriously how much did Disney pay you?

  • @nhmooytis7058
    @nhmooytis70584 жыл бұрын

    It exists. That muffs me. I’d had enough of it by the time the Ewoks started to dance.

  • @CaesiusX

    @CaesiusX

    4 жыл бұрын

    Agreed. But that's a discussion I always try to avoid. I absolutely love the first two films. I was 16 when RotJ came out. I stayed overnight to be one of the first in line, only to be so very disappointed. The Ewoks are a good example to point to, but there are so many other things which are just so embarrassing. It didn't help that Lucas didn't care, and that the director was all wrong. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @EmmanuelSargon
    @EmmanuelSargon4 жыл бұрын

    Where is Jared?

  • @clarapilier

    @clarapilier

    4 жыл бұрын

    He is dealing with family affairs

  • @brya9681

    @brya9681

    4 жыл бұрын

    He got fired

  • @Blodhelm

    @Blodhelm

    4 жыл бұрын

    He probably couldn't bear to be associated with this drivel about how terrible movies are actually great because...epic...future writers...maybe.

  • @devilmaycry2

    @devilmaycry2

    4 жыл бұрын

    He's the only reason I watched this shooooow 😔

  • @brya9681

    @brya9681

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Blodhelm more like he couldn't bare to read anymore dumb shit from entitled adults bitching about the new kids movie not being as good as the kids movie they saw when they were a kid. Fucking dipshit

  • @thephantompenance
    @thephantompenance4 жыл бұрын

    Star Wars: An Apology Apology accepted, Captain Needa

  • @jonbojsenkvrndrup8180

    @jonbojsenkvrndrup8180

    4 жыл бұрын

    Good one :D

  • @ProfessorChaos56

    @ProfessorChaos56

    4 жыл бұрын

    High five.

  • @ikolasmitrakos7199
    @ikolasmitrakos71994 жыл бұрын

    You fail to see that the uproar was not only about inconsistencies with respect to the previous films, but also inconsistencies WITHIN the new films! Having a 'storm-first order trooper' Finn make a human decision to not shoot innocent people, overcome his upbringing and THEN 20 min into the film show him killing 10s of his brothers, who where also in that position due to their upbringing, while cheering, is plain ridiculous ...

  • @Brownyman
    @Brownyman4 жыл бұрын

    "Rogue One" was a masterpiece! The best part is the spin from father/son to father/daughter. I fell that theme -- the relationship of children with their father -- is the overriding theme of StarWars.

  • @MightyJohnSmith
    @MightyJohnSmith4 жыл бұрын

    So, did Jared leave Wisecrack?

  • @ernielee442

    @ernielee442

    4 жыл бұрын

    I’ve told you, Anakin! The Jareds are taking over!

  • @AlexJ1

    @AlexJ1

    4 жыл бұрын

    He's having personal problems. That's all they've said

  • @clarapilier

    @clarapilier

    4 жыл бұрын

    He is dealing with family affairs.

  • @kyrias9391
    @kyrias93914 жыл бұрын

    creativly expanded the canon? for F sake m8 .... you need to go back and read the originals of the Legends story they made a mess of in these last 3 movies to know how much you get wrong here.

  • @Pir-o

    @Pir-o

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sequels trilogy was creativly bankrupt

  • @vextronx

    @vextronx

    4 жыл бұрын

    I dunno dude. In legends.... well you could call it creative, but it was SO over-the-top it was sometimes ridiculous. I like both timelines, both has flaws though. The way this era was covered in the Expanded Universe was almost fever-dream like.

  • @svenstereo8461
    @svenstereo84614 жыл бұрын

    The Mandalorian delivered more 'resonance', 'coherence', and 'warm fuzzies' in its first episode than your so-called 'franchise geeks' did in three movies.

  • @grubslekcin
    @grubslekcin4 жыл бұрын

    Actually, one of my biggest complaints about The Last Jedi was the lack of consistency and familiar beats. It was neither visually or thematically similar to previous Star Wars movies which is why, for many fans, it felt like it wasn't a part of the story arc. This isn't to say it should have been a remake of previous Star Wars movies as JJ did but to ignore thematic beats without giving us visual call backs detaches it from an overall narative.

  • @dlobelow760
    @dlobelow7604 жыл бұрын

    So........ Professional fanfiction. *Aight that's cool I guess.*

  • @robbyw.8616

    @robbyw.8616

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeeeeaaarrr the worst and most expensive fanfiction of all time XD XD ;P

  • @Ravenzita

    @Ravenzita

    4 жыл бұрын

    EXACTLY! |Please Wisecrack. Make one of your thorough analysis about Fanfiction, and how we the public are developing so many AUs for stories and characters we care about. Please and thank you.

  • @hjertrudfiddlecock4394

    @hjertrudfiddlecock4394

    4 жыл бұрын

    except fanfic doesn't change what's cannon, disney did. Disney is to blame for this crap.

  • @owennorcross4407

    @owennorcross4407

    4 жыл бұрын

    Disney has no power over anything not even them self. They are the light that seeks to control the spirits of the characters we love.

  • @stephenrice3299

    @stephenrice3299

    4 жыл бұрын

    I mean that's what the MCU is. Fans usually do make the best of these kind of movies cause, they're the ones who should know the ins and outs of the characters and have a passion for the material.

  • @Hightorian
    @Hightorian4 жыл бұрын

    That was a very fancy way of saying that JJ relied on nostalgia and tried to recreate the feelings from the original trilogy, and that people didn't like his inconsistent writing. I'm all for adding new things to Star Wars; Its why I like Last Jedi, but JJ did not add anything, just retconned a death and jammed in someones jedi training. It should be clear that JJ failed in being creative with his two movies.

  • @treyjohnson7235

    @treyjohnson7235

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hightorian solid point. I absolutely despised TLJ and I don’t think that’s gonna change, although I can at least admit Ryan Johnson tried his best to do something new and interesting and brought up some ideas that could have been interesting if they were expanded on. JJ definitely didn’t do much of anything new or different with his movies. Feels like a Jefferson/Burr situation with Ryan/JJ where god dang I disagree with nearly everything he did but at least he has something new to bring to the table.

  • @MakiPcr

    @MakiPcr

    4 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate what RJ was trying to do, but I don't think The Last Jedi added anything that hadn't been done before. JJ did nothing

  • @wereverKUROZAKY

    @wereverKUROZAKY

    4 жыл бұрын

    "I like the Last Jedi" Ew, Ewwwwwwwwww.

  • @Hightorian

    @Hightorian

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@wereverKUROZAKY Hey, if its divisive, it means some people liked it.

  • @Hightorian

    @Hightorian

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@MakiPcr There was the force skype, which was sort of like what Luke had with Leia and Vader in Empire and Jedi. And then there was also the Holdo maneuver (we all kinda wondered why people didn't do that) But more so what RJ did was explore the 'grey' which I really liked.

  • @Bad-Nick
    @Bad-Nick4 жыл бұрын

    I have to think the effects of adding a personal touch to your telling of a story has a much more jarring effect when the audience hearing that version numbers in the millions within a week, and when access to the original telling is so readily available. Also, the word "borrow" is so very, very generous here.

  • @jamiep317
    @jamiep3174 жыл бұрын

    The big thing here is that I'm pretty sure we're willing to accept new additions... with one caveat. Those new additions cannot *contradict* other, already-established bits of knowledge. The biggest problem is that there already WAS an Expanded Universe, both prequel and sequel. By tossing all of that out with the bathwater, Disney more-or-less guaranteed that the "cannot contradict what's already there" condition of our acceptance was going to fail.

  • @jediwill1974
    @jediwill19744 жыл бұрын

    I've been a star wars fan for 43 years and have put my money where my mouth is. I just feel that all the time and money I've put into this franchise an apology would be the least Disney could do but I'm not holding my breath.

  • @frankbunny5959
    @frankbunny59594 жыл бұрын

    I usually watch Wisecrack to feel more intelligent. I feel even more of an idiot after watching this video.

  • @DMWayne-ke7fl

    @DMWayne-ke7fl

    4 жыл бұрын

    Trust me, this video is utter nonsense. He has no clue about the classics.

  • @rosslytle5700

    @rosslytle5700

    4 жыл бұрын

    I mean I get that there’s significant repercussions to calling out Disney on their spin, but this video comes across less like a well researched disambiguation and more like a mouse-funded PR piece. Anybody seen Jared? Did Wisecrack actually die a while ago? Is this channel just another corpse re-animated by corporate hacks?

  • @the_bottomfragger

    @the_bottomfragger

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yep, from smaller things like him promouncing Homér like Homer Simpson to calling Johnson calling a diehard (didn't fully understand what) of the SW saga at 9:10 when Johnson didn't previously have that much interest in it, it's half-assed in so many parts. Also he clearly hasn't understood the fans' critisisms, I think many people didn't mind the ideas themselves but the horrible execution. Time to quit watching this channel, it's lost all of its strenghts.

  • @BLUE5294

    @BLUE5294

    4 жыл бұрын

    I mean Disney payed for this video so who gives a shit

  • @jerry3790

    @jerry3790

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ross Lytle Jared is still there. He just hasn’t been able to present for a few months due to some personal problems

  • @TokenCast
    @TokenCast4 жыл бұрын

    What artur movie was that where it showed that fight sequence jumping around?

  • @twentyfirstidentity
    @twentyfirstidentity4 жыл бұрын

    The best thing to do is watch the movie, either like or dislike it, and avoid videos like this and discussion threads online where you can get dragged into a never ending cycle of having your personal opinions either rebuked or ratified. Fan power fueled by the internet is ruining everything. There are popular things that you may dislike and unpopular things that you may like - that's ok. Talk about it with your friends. The opinion of strangers means nothing. (And yeah, I know - I'm commenting on a video online...)

  • @cameronaustin7734
    @cameronaustin77344 жыл бұрын

    Historians do not mostly agree on whether Homer was one of multiple people and also this whole video is a logical stretch whereas the originalstar wars series is far closer to an epic

  • @Travis-ig7bx

    @Travis-ig7bx

    4 жыл бұрын

    I agree. There is no true consensus.

  • @dee-jay45
    @dee-jay454 жыл бұрын

    What I expect from Star Wars is a good story. You know, what we expect from all movies. A coherent narrative, a consistent universe and sprinkled with some new ideas/concepts. It really shouldn't be too much to ask, but from Disney, it is.

  • @boobah5643
    @boobah56434 жыл бұрын

    At most this 'old storytelling style in the modern world' thing may _explain_ some of what was going on. It does not _excuse_ it.

  • @yinnyonline

    @yinnyonline

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Tom Ffrench nobody thinks that there are no inconsistences in the other movies, it's just that the sequel trilogy takes it to a completely new level. it's insanely bad whereas the previous films mostly only had minor inconsistencies

  • @dezm101
    @dezm1014 жыл бұрын

    glad I never wasted any time watching the film, I could clearly tell from the trainwreck that was the last jedi that I should avoid it.

  • @deankruse2891
    @deankruse28914 жыл бұрын

    Your reaching with the “resonance”.

  • @Ora_
    @Ora_4 жыл бұрын

    Public opinion split? Is there people out there who like Rise of Skywalker!? Biggest complaints are not flaws!? Like the decision to bring Palp back? That undermines the whole story of Star Wars before Disney! Or Palp telling everyone in the galaxy that he is back, instead of just telling Rey and Kylo like a smart person that he is supposed to be? Or Palp offering Kylo a fleet of Deathstar ships to conquer the galaxy... that he already conquered? Or Rey not using force to get out of quicksand? Or lightspeed skipping? Or Luke just going and killing Palp himself when he can just wield a lightsaber as a ghost? Why should any jedi even be alive? There is no downside for being a ghost. These are some complaints from the top of my head that are flaws and not epic story telling... This video is just bullshit.. Resonance?! Give me a break...

  • @stevebuscemi3622

    @stevebuscemi3622

    4 жыл бұрын

    yeah, people with autism

  • @crazyhairdryer

    @crazyhairdryer

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah quite a lot of people actually

  • @boiwifeyasmr4U

    @boiwifeyasmr4U

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes... I think.

  • @justbeyondthecornerproduct3540

    @justbeyondthecornerproduct3540

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'll die on the TLJ hill but TROS was awful.

  • @dannygillespie6614

    @dannygillespie6614

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yep. I liked it a lot. Some other comments here did too.

  • @mcsmaria28
    @mcsmaria284 жыл бұрын

    8:18 - “what is your name?” “Arthur, King of the Britons.” “What, is your quest?” “To seek the holy grail “ “What, is the speed velocity of a laden swallow?” “Is it an African or European Swallow?” “Well I don’t know that! Ahhhhhhhh!”

  • @CaesiusX
    @CaesiusX4 жыл бұрын

    _". . .And like the Odyssey, Star Wars used resonance _*_to remain coherent."_* Ohhhh, you were being sarcastic! You had me going there for a minute. 🤣

  • @4n6design

    @4n6design

    4 жыл бұрын

    Exactly. He had to be sarcastic. I don't want to question his intelligence.

  • @DreamerFromBeyond

    @DreamerFromBeyond

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@4n6design You don't necessarily need to question someone's intelligence but more on what is their intent? Is this a click bait to harvest more views from people who were disappointed in the Sequel Trilogy? or a genuine analysis of the movie itself?

  • @4n6design

    @4n6design

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@DreamerFromBeyond, either click-bait or a need to justify a desire to like something that is dear. If anyone has interest in Star Wars being cherished it's me. I saw it in the theater in 1977 at age 9. I was blown away. There is no resonance here. It's an abomination. Disney getting Star Wars is like a kid getting a mint Ferrari Testarossa with 4000 miles and wrecking it the first day. This disaster is a marvel to witness. It's like they defecated on brand new set of china for some deranged reason.

  • @DreamerFromBeyond

    @DreamerFromBeyond

    4 жыл бұрын

    4n6design The first Star War I watch was the return of the Jedi and I have to admit I like it then went straight to Episode 1 phantom menace and I like it too except for jarjjar since his plain clumsy then speisode 2 attack of the clones almost made me fall asleep if it werent for the action. and then episode 3, 4 & 5. if I rank the ones I enjoyed 5, 4, 3, 6, 1, 2, 8, 7 & 9 but honestly I wish to removed the sequel trilogy but sadly Disney owned star wars now. :(

  • @4n6design

    @4n6design

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@DreamerFromBeyond, I still have not watched Ep. 9. Don't know if I will. Ep 8 with the throw away light saber, Snok killed and Rose Tiko saving Finn and Kissing him ruined it for me. I heard about Ep 9 having space horses running on a Imperial Cruiser and Palpatine still being alive, LOL!!! Here is the best review of Ep 1: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eKx_1rymgcreoqw.html.

  • @levicoffman5146
    @levicoffman51464 жыл бұрын

    My biggest complaint about the sequels is that they abandon the Lucas thesis: fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.

  • @Engineer_Who

    @Engineer_Who

    4 жыл бұрын

    I vehemently disagree that that's the grand message that Lucas was trying to get across.

  • @aaronwebb1548

    @aaronwebb1548

    4 жыл бұрын

    And releasing that fear (of death) allowed the wisest space wizards to live forever. It was a solid, clear and applicable moral lesson. I'm not sure what the lesson is in the new ones, I haven't seen them but I'm sure someone will tell me here.

  • @Mr0Anonymous0

    @Mr0Anonymous0

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@aaronwebb1548 well if you keep reading maybe, I don't know how invested you in to really know.

  • @samuellangford3461

    @samuellangford3461

    4 жыл бұрын

    I don't think he even developed that thesis until the Return of the Jedi at the earliest. Unless there's something in ESB I'm forgetting

  • @jari32

    @jari32

    4 жыл бұрын

    That doesnt make sense though. Emotions arent a stream from one path to another.

  • @mudbutt234
    @mudbutt2344 жыл бұрын

    I know what star wars is and i clapped.

  • @DanielGaeta13
    @DanielGaeta134 жыл бұрын

    I think the new voices interjected into the Star Wars Canon is exactly what it means. I'm actually a huge fan of the Knights of the old Republic franchise and those voices that created that franchise gave me something different but also familiar and I think that's what needs to be in Star Wars.

  • @mooxim
    @mooxim4 жыл бұрын

    This is why I love the inconsistent, multiple retelling of the Batman story. The only resonants you need are that his rich parents were killed, he was raised by his butler, Alfred, and his arch nemesis is the Joker. Besides that, storytellers seem to have completely free reign.

  • @jaikthesnake6285
    @jaikthesnake62854 жыл бұрын

    Why is this video titled Star Wars: an Apology? It has nothing to do with an apology

  • @dannygillespie6614

    @dannygillespie6614

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, Wisecrack needs to work on their titles.

  • @SovernGaming

    @SovernGaming

    4 жыл бұрын

    Some words have multiple meanings. apology: a reasoned argument or writing in justification of something, typically a theory or religious doctrine

  • @DanH-lx1jj

    @DanH-lx1jj

    4 жыл бұрын

    An apology in philosophical terms is a defense. From the Greek apologia meaning a speech in defense of. Examples of this are Plato's Apology which is the story of Socrates's trial and defense and Apologetics which are arguments in defense of a religion.

  • @jonbojsenkvrndrup8180

    @jonbojsenkvrndrup8180

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think it's got something to do with the original meaning of the word. From Greek - to defend something.

  • @Thrashman138

    @Thrashman138

    4 жыл бұрын

    Clearly you don't own or cannot access a dictionary... Apology has several meanings, especially in the realm of philosophy, a staple of the Wisecrack channel.

  • @aguy2162
    @aguy21624 жыл бұрын

    You guys have done nothing but make excuses for the Sequel Trilogy. And saying that Star Wars is connected to ancient epics and thinking its some kind of new take is dumb. Yeah, we know. You attribute half baked, loosely connected philosophy to Abrams and Johnson and then act like thats some sort of justification for there failute at telling a competent story?

  • @RJB_TV

    @RJB_TV

    4 жыл бұрын

    Not once does he say they did a good job on the sequels. He does however say they did a bad job multiple times. Watch from 9:52 again.

  • @AlexAV25

    @AlexAV25

    4 жыл бұрын

    No one is invaliding that the movies were bad, wisecrack is just giving their take which i mostly agree with.

  • @Enzaio
    @Enzaio4 жыл бұрын

    The MCU proves you can do an Arthurian kind of storytelling without making individual bad movies riddled with inconsistencies. As long as you plan ahead...

  • @mirarobin4096
    @mirarobin40964 жыл бұрын

    Can we understand that this video is not claiming that star wars is good? this is more of a look at how it relates to the literary tradition of epics, and what that means in a modern context. It is not claiming that it's status as a modern epic makes it good, but merely that its status as a epic changes how it is made, produced, and consumed.

  • @DrFrankenMax
    @DrFrankenMax4 жыл бұрын

    3:38 ok, but both of those are legends that are taught in elementary school long before we're reading the source material because one is a real historical event and the other is a famous turn of phrase. "Darth Vader's breath" isn't a popular figure of speech

  • @JebeckyGranjola

    @JebeckyGranjola

    4 жыл бұрын

    Achilles and his heel are from thousands of years ago. In a few millennium when someones cyborg lungs start weezing you sure they wont call it Vaders breath?

  • @DrFrankenMax

    @DrFrankenMax

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@JebeckyGranjola Sure, but comparing the two now is ridiculous. Darth Vader hasn't had thousands of years to ingrane himself in our culture. Also, not to beat a dead soldier with a hole in his heel, but considering that Achilles has religious significance for the era, the fact that an Achilles heel became a common turn of phrase is slightly more significant than a meager pop culture reference. I'm not saying Vader isn't a significant part of our culture but what made the phrase "an Achilles heel" stick through the ages was its religious significance, not the fact that it was referenced in a movie. Let me ask you a question: do you know why movies use Flight of the Valkyries all the time, or where the popular phrase "I love the smell of ____ in the morning! It smells like.... victory!" came from? Both from Apocalypse Now. And when was the last time anyone talked about that movie? But we all know the references. Nobody parodies or appropriates Achilles' heel just like Sam Raimi doesn't claim he made up Jesus just cause he referenced him in Spiderman 2. My case rests

  • @Formallyknownashandle
    @Formallyknownashandle4 жыл бұрын

    “...and the cuckholding Lancelot...” Thanks a lot I just spit my cereal out all over the place. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @Kalleosini

    @Kalleosini

    4 жыл бұрын

    it is cuckolding not cuckholding.

  • @luckyboy7822
    @luckyboy78224 жыл бұрын

    I think a bigger problem that most people have with the sequals is that it replaced a different story told by even more storytellers, legends, which they regard as being the superior one

  • @MontChevalier
    @MontChevalier4 жыл бұрын

    Me: How much? How much did they pay you? Wisecrack: Enough.

  • @Epiousios18
    @Epiousios184 жыл бұрын

    It is in no way agreed upon that Homer wasn't a singular person. I personally agree with Knox in thinking that he was.

  • @Thrashman138

    @Thrashman138

    4 жыл бұрын

    Nowhere in this video does Wisecrack claim that anyone has "agreed upon that Homer wasn't a singular person." The exact phrase they used is "scholars mostly believe," which leaves a wide margin for those who do not agree. Cool strawman argument, though.

  • @Epiousios18

    @Epiousios18

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Thrashman138 The phrase they used: "Scholars mostly believe" in itself is debatable/misleading unless there was a major poll taken or change in thought I must have missed that made it obvious the Majority of scholars now think it was a group of people (from what I understand "most" consider it some combination of the two). Weird overly analytical response to a rather benign KZread comment, though.

  • @Thrashman138

    @Thrashman138

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Epiousios18 Nah. You're simply choosing the least charitable interpretation to justify your dislike of the video's content. You're as transparent as glass.

  • @Epiousios18

    @Epiousios18

    4 жыл бұрын

    Brandon Campbell what are you talking about? I never said I disliked the video. I enjoyed it and gave it a ‘thumbs up’ actually. I just took issue with that one assertion. A lot of assumptions for someone throwing logical fallacies around a comment section...

  • @mrchiefbs

    @mrchiefbs

    4 жыл бұрын

    I see where nick is coming from.

  • @NoahFan114
    @NoahFan1144 жыл бұрын

    Enough w/ the ads after the intro! Do 'em at the very beginning, before anything else, or at the very end, after you're done w/ the topic. -__-

  • @raskov75
    @raskov754 жыл бұрын

    Lots of reaching over the obvious to grasp some straws from just inside the border of legitville.

  • @Moss_and_Such
    @Moss_and_Such4 жыл бұрын

    The problem with this thesis is that back then, storytellers didn’t have the collective tools to remedy the inconsistencies and repetition. These days, the film makers have access to all the information they could need to make a cohesive story.

  • @ringkunmori
    @ringkunmori4 жыл бұрын

    I have not met a single person who loved the Rise of Skywalker

  • @alejandrokaplan7243

    @alejandrokaplan7243

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ringkun Mori I like it

  • @sethcarnius3548

    @sethcarnius3548

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Joshua J thats funny

  • @andrew_the_ok3596

    @andrew_the_ok3596

    4 жыл бұрын

    I liked it

  • @darkain666

    @darkain666

    4 жыл бұрын

    True. Some people I met "liked it"... as in "meh, it was ok", but nobody I met "loved it".

  • @AlexChipman

    @AlexChipman

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@darkain666 Hello, we just met, I loved it. You know somebody now :P

  • @xicoxnicx
    @xicoxnicx4 жыл бұрын

    Rogue One, while not perfect, is the only Disney Star Wars film that feels like Star Wars to me.

  • @legoharry100
    @legoharry1004 жыл бұрын

    Oh man I’m getting flashbacks to when the Prequel "Ring theory" popped up.

  • @mishasubin

    @mishasubin

    4 жыл бұрын

    holy shit that was a nightmare

  • @blacksun3884
    @blacksun38844 жыл бұрын

    Dooku’s saber was curved because Christopher Lee requested it. It plays to his skill with fencing and was easier on his arthritis to hold on to. More to the point I still believe that folks will never be completely over the fact Disney just obliterated the entire extended canon and decided to make their own material. That said the extended canon was sort of a fucking mess. However I think while people are disappointed with the quality of the movies they more directly just dislike the idea of Disney owning it because it took a beloved long running franchise and molded it into something that felt only like it was there to be merchandise regardless of the film making passion and effort that goes into it.

  • @sillybilly666
    @sillybilly6664 жыл бұрын

    30 minutes since this was posted and the war in the comments has already claimed many. The like to dislike ratio is already going haywire. Damn y'all lmfao

  • @RickReasonnz

    @RickReasonnz

    4 жыл бұрын

    Isn't a vigourous debate more interesting than sinking in to a echo chamber?

  • @francesco8000

    @francesco8000

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@RickReasonnz as long as the debate is civil and the point raised are good and not just stuff born out or pure love\hate...yeah it's better.

  • @wereverKUROZAKY

    @wereverKUROZAKY

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@francesco8000 Nah complete chaos is the way to go

  • @francesco8000

    @francesco8000

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@wereverKUROZAKY i know that what i'm about to say really doesn't work on the internet but...i really dislike when people go full chaos with stuff like "this is the worst movie ever made" or stuff like that.

  • @Blaktimus
    @Blaktimus4 жыл бұрын

    Yall reaching for the logic but im here to watch the fall into the countertop

  • @tofu_golem
    @tofu_golem4 жыл бұрын

    I think Ghost in the Shell has the right approach to franchises: each iteration happens in its own separate sandbox, and creators have total freedom within their sandbox.

  • @Abonanno24601
    @Abonanno246014 жыл бұрын

    But.. there are literally 100s of expanded material, books, comics and video games. It would have made more sense to use the stories that already exist. Re-working the Thrawn Trilogy would have been awesome. Would love to see Mara Jade, Han and Leia's real kids. They actually had 3 kids, twins and a third.

  • @TuffLP
    @TuffLP4 жыл бұрын

    It's pottery, it rhymes lol

  • @anurgaprasad123

    @anurgaprasad123

    4 жыл бұрын

    good we need another death star wannabe in the next trilogy too

  • @taycarroll1124
    @taycarroll11244 жыл бұрын

    Could you do a video for The Venture Bros which is about failure?

  • @arkangelarkangel1302
    @arkangelarkangel13022 жыл бұрын

    Thats why my favorite Disney/Star Wars director was Gareth Edwards Rogue One... he added to the canon without thinking he was bigger then Star Wars... he added but didn't over do-it.

  • @thehairymonster
    @thehairymonster4 жыл бұрын

    I think that the main trilogy movies should stick to the script, without pushing to many boundaries or challenging opinions, and that the many spinoffs and TV shows should be the main source of new ideas to 'test the water' with the more popular themes later being incorporated into the bigger movies (as he said in the video). That way we get some freshness without alienating huge swathes of the audience.

  • @grproteus
    @grproteus4 жыл бұрын

    The latest few wisecrack videos felt paid by Disney for some reason. Maybe let Star Wars be, wisecrack?

  • @alejandromunozpaz4036
    @alejandromunozpaz40364 жыл бұрын

    "it's time for star wars to end"

  • @a7i20ci7y

    @a7i20ci7y

    4 жыл бұрын

    For real. Let's stop all of this before we realize the uncomfortable truth: None of the movies are really that great. We just loved the toys.

  • @pdzombie1906
    @pdzombie19064 жыл бұрын

    Oooooh, I see... it's not fan service, it's resonance; and it's not inconsistency, it's multiplicity of visions; and it's not that you're getting paid by Disney to justify their improvised saga, it's that you're trying to be fair by pulling analogies out of your *ss between epic, mythic, and commercial storytelling... Yeah, now it all makes sense... I love Big Bro.. I mean Disney Star Wars...

  • @surenhambaryan3230
    @surenhambaryan32304 жыл бұрын

    they made rey total disney princess, like her grandpa is emperor