I just realized. When Odo suggested that they have breakfast and Garak pointed out that Odo doesn't eat, it was a realization that they both play a part, act like someone they are not.

@AzguardMike

3 жыл бұрын

​@@LordBruuh be an awkward chat the following day Garak: Ah Constable. How are you feeling? Not too sore from all that torture, i trust? Odo: Garak... I thought we agreed not to discuss that Garak: oh yes, all hush hush, dont worry. Though perhaps you could help me. And by me, i mean the Cardassian people. I need this message delivered. Odo: You think you can blackmail me, Garak? Garak: Oh no, not at all. *gets up* that reminds me, i need to deliver my report to Sisko. Odo: I thought you already had Garak: True, but i seemed to have omitted a parts. Odo *growls* fine. Give me the data rod. Garak: pleasure doing business with you, Odo.

@TheWyldehart

3 жыл бұрын

I respect this comment. I also think the reason for the breakfast is because Odo and Garak now understand each other on an intimate level that neither one can truly share with others. It's like a kind of brotherhood.

@oculosprudentium8486

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheWyldehart Yup, both of them has opened a little door of possible friendship to each other.

@pinkfloppyass

3 жыл бұрын

Man good spot, never looked at it this way before

@TheRocco96

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought this was a sign of friendship. Similar to how Garak has meals together with Bashir. Odo has no intention of actually having breakfast, but I think he sees Garak as a potential friend.

Garak in shock and disbelief at the realization that he might have just made a friend.

@demarcusfaulkner7411

5 жыл бұрын

RUEL I Gonzales no might to it he did.

@ClickBeetleTV

5 жыл бұрын

Or that Odo has decided to keep a closer eye on him

@geoffwilliams4478

5 жыл бұрын

Next thing you know, he might invite Garak to his quarters for dinner

@BM-yy8db

5 жыл бұрын

@@geoffwilliams4478 Oh my..

@rutger5000

4 жыл бұрын

@@BM-yy8dbThat breakfast was meant to be had after a lovely evening ; )

"Do you know what the sad part is, Odo? I'm a very good tailor." Garak's entire character summed up in one line.

@nicholasdickens2801

6 жыл бұрын

Zulu Romeo The sheer lack of bitterness and complete resignation and irony of his situation makes this scene. Finally he’s breaking down the barriers and becoming a part of the DS9 family.

@ue8472

6 жыл бұрын

I cried a little

@Theri4444

5 жыл бұрын

and yet I don't think they know who he really is though, meaning that he was an Obsidian Order agent and has a lot of powerful connections

@jonsnor4313

5 жыл бұрын

They do since he had the incident with the inpantant.

@gmajor1273

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. That phrase could was also a metaphor for his being a good spy. I wished the writer had expanded more on Garak and Odo's friendship after such a strong episode. But I still enjoyed the banter between Garak and Bashir.

To me, Garak's expression at the end of the scene acknowledges that sometimes it feels horrible to be forgiven.

@WobblesandBean

3 жыл бұрын

This was the moment I kinda fell in love a litte bit with Garak. Until then I saw him as a loveable b@$†@rd, an evil man they you can't help but root for...but in The Die is Cast, it became clear that, despite his best efforts to destroy that part of him, deep down Garak is a good man.

@willia3r

2 жыл бұрын

Also that sometimes it's extremely hard to forgive yourself.

@TheJMBon

7 ай бұрын

​@@willia3rI think you're on point. Others may forgive you but can you forgive yourself?

As humiliating as it is to have to admit you sold out your comrade and even tortured him for meaningless information, Odo understands Garrack's unbearable desire to return home. It's the little details like these that create true friends, and it's why DS9 was absolutely amazing.

@Paerigos

4 жыл бұрын

Well - the main point was not the information - Garak pretty much knew there was nothing meaningful to be found. He simply needed for Odo to break. And he did that. For reasons Odo pretty much understood... and well he did it too later... only to pull back from it at last second like Garak... Funny - maybe without Garak Odo would not have pulled out of it in Sacrifice of Angels...

@jamesdavis1201

2 жыл бұрын

ABSOLUTELY!! The characterization on DS9 is supreme.

@recoil53

2 жыл бұрын

Conflicted people in extreme situations is what made DS9 different and better that the Star Treks of the time. TOS and TNG had too much of the "we have a perfect utopian society, you barbarians" overtone. Do you sell out your morals for the survival of your people? Do you help tear down your country to save it? Or details like Quark being progressive in may ways, but traditionalist in others and a jerk to his brother. Because real people have contradictions.

@AllyMonsters

Жыл бұрын

@@recoil53 Most episodes of TOS and THG try to hide their hypocrisy or shift the blame (like being controlled, ect), while in DS9 they are confronted by the consequences (both good and bad) of their hypocrisy. There are outliers for each though.

@recoil53

Жыл бұрын

@@AllyMonsters Yes and while some people don't like DS9, I liked that about DS9. Sisko has the blood of millions of Romulans on his hands and at least for one episode felt guilt.

Ladies and gentlealiens, I give you Andrew Robinson, the first amongst a host of MVPs in the _Star Trek: Deep Space Nine_ roster. It is positively unconscionable that he didn't get an Emmy for his iconic portrayal of Garak. But then again, I could say the same for a score of actors in the main and recurring cast. A magnificent series, the likes of which we may never see again.

This is the most theatrical scene from the whole series. The remarkable about this scene is that it is one take, no cuts at all and the camera is frozen on garak. Also there is no background music at all. It's raw. It's awesome. But I wonder why they decided to do that since this was a very a-typical approach to an otherwise pretty standard series.

@harlockJC

6 жыл бұрын

I read an interview for this latter, that not odo in the mirror but his stunt double. I forget the reasoning but Odo could not be there, so he read his lines over a phone line.

@nicholasdickens2801

6 жыл бұрын

Jack Campbell I never knew that.

@nicholasdickens2801

6 жыл бұрын

Ben De Laserre Id not regard DS9 as a standard show. The writing when it got into its stride was really first rate.

@Nathan_H1gg3rz

6 жыл бұрын

they obviously used a stand in for Odo

@Deadpool_64

6 жыл бұрын

And? Who cares if they did, the scene was fantastic, much due to the way it was shot.

That line " and the sad part is I'm a very good tailor" you can write essays on that line. So much depth and meaning in everything Garek says. A modern day poet living in a troubled time.

@Irish0wl

5 жыл бұрын

"How pregnant sometimes his replies are." - Polonius, from Hamlet.

@argonwheatbelly637

5 жыл бұрын

Before the junta, the Cardassians were known for art, both fine and literary.

@austinarnold4460

4 жыл бұрын

@@argonwheatbelly637 I think that's part of the sticking point. Maybe somewhere deep down, he wishes he was a tailor from the start.

@Daniel-rd6st

4 жыл бұрын

@@austinarnold4460 For me, Garak expesses with this line, that he is very good at something he hates (being a tailor, among other things) but not good at the thing he wants (getting back into his fathers favour; the torturing scene with Odo showed, that we wasnt ready to do what is needed to archieve that ).

@gregsimoes8645

4 жыл бұрын

Tailoring was Garak's root beer.

Love the way this is shot. He is facing Odo, but facing away from the camera. But with the angle and Odo's reflection in the mirror, gives a different feeling, as though Garak is standing alone and reminiscing, away from it all, not facing who is he or the man he wronged. As he very much is.

@tatianalyulkin410

Жыл бұрын

My hat is off to Odo. I don't think I could force myself to have a civil conversation with the man who tortured me for hours on end.

I love those little moments. Odo and Garak are two of the best and layered characters on the show.

@Darjaboo

5 жыл бұрын

I found odo to be completely boring and 1 dimensional.

@Noobsaibot21

4 жыл бұрын

Those two and Qwark too. Any extended scenes with these three involved usually was golden. Rest in peace, René Auberjonois

@atomiclena128

3 жыл бұрын

Might I add Dukat to the list?

The way he says "I'm a very good tailor" sends a thousand sad shiwers down my spine. Fenomenal

This show is performed so much like theatre in the dialogue delivery and scene blocking, and tbh, I think it suits DS9 perfectly (since the character interactions I believe are the most nuanced of any Trek series).

@sarahkinsey5434

5 жыл бұрын

And it helps that some of the cast have theater backgrounds, it makes the scenes even better!

@demarcusfaulkner7411

5 жыл бұрын

Its definitely a good crew with great chemistry and class.

@randallsmith2521

4 жыл бұрын

I have to wonder how much of that is from Avery Brooks. It certainly "feels" different than the other Trek series, even on episodes when they are on Starfleet ships or facilities.

@andorfedra

Жыл бұрын

I love how we only see a small reflection of Odo's silhouette during this scene as he and Garak converse and connect. It's a lovely bit of setting that may go unnoticed by those who don't see any significance in it. I love it. it's so different from the artless scene setting that so often takes place in modern movies and television shows. the actors/characters may look at each other, but we only ever see Garak's face and reactions as Odo expresses a subtextual forgiveness, and implies a desire for friendship by inviting the "simple tailor" to share breakfast with him. I love it. It's so sad that it took Gene Roddenberry's death for Star Trek to do a series that showed it's full potential in characters, story, writing, and even effects. DS9 is just that series. every one thereafter had become significantly worse, and all the ones before were not quite as good.

Tinker, tailor, soldier, spy

I can't find the clip here on YT but the scene where Garak tortures Odo is one of the few times Garak isn't hiding his true feelings. he desperately wants Odo to say anything so he doesn't have to see Odo in pain anymore. Garak and Odo are my favorite characters, both were written and performed brilliantly!

@TheRocco96

2 жыл бұрын

Here it is: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lXeXm7NsaZS6hps.html

Do you know what the sad part is Odo? I'm a very good tailor I'm only Now understand the true sorrow of those words the understanding that you may never get what you want most out of life Just we watch this episode today and with that realization it made me cry a little

@jamesbrice3267

5 жыл бұрын

I presume you mean he's thinking of the more ordinary life he could have lived. It made me sad too.

Someone should just hug Garak. He looks like he needs an army's worth of them. [Carefully and gently of course, so he doesn't have a claustrophobic panic attack.]

@sarahkinsey5434

5 жыл бұрын

I have wanted to hug him and Odo quite a lot while watching this series!

@jonsnor4313

5 жыл бұрын

He will always have Bashir.

@thomasfrazer8934

5 жыл бұрын

I feel like he would stab you in the back out of pure reflex.

@DutchGuyMike

3 жыл бұрын

I volunteer!

I wrote as far back as the 1990s that this is the best shot scene in Trek TV history. I still feel that way. All hail David Livingston. Great character stuff for both Odo and Garak.

@Sensorium19

4 жыл бұрын

I would find it hard to argue with that idea. Nothing immediately comes to mind that could top how they framed the acting and dialogue in this scene.

@astropolitika

3 жыл бұрын

Hard for me to pick a favorite but David Livingston was an amazing Trek director.

@Leto617

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sensorium19 IDK the interrogation of Gul Darhe'el gives it an honest challenge

It's nice that in 'the way of the warrior' episode that they actually do eat together

@BillinHungary

5 жыл бұрын

This is a perfect example of continuity - The scene in the Way of the Warrior is designed primarily to set up the background for the upcoming Klingon invasion of Cardassia. But unlike other Star Trek series, the writers would always toss in a small continuity call-back, to show us that Odo's and Garak's relationship with each other had gone from adversarial to a friendly one.

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine was by far one of the best television series. Such a great regular and supporting cast. I loved moments like this. :)

@Darrell1019

5 жыл бұрын

Hear, hear!

@nicholasdickens2801

5 жыл бұрын

kwnyupstate Indeed it is. All that spit and polish on a lush, rich looking show, with no characterisation or any depth.

@gmajor1273

5 жыл бұрын

You are 100 percent right. Totally agree. My favorite Star Trek series.

@robz6554

4 жыл бұрын

DS9 is by far my favorite Star Trek series. The best part about it is that they told a good story that began and ended with Sisko's time on DS9... and they stopped at the end. No dumpster fire of a movie, no inferior reboots, no attempts to bring it back as a shell of its former self to squeeze a little more cash out of it while disrespecting the original. Just a good, complete story.

@dorkanderson4963

2 жыл бұрын

Used to watch this when I was a starving artist in Detroit in 98 cause I only got one station back then. They still air it for free every night.

It's hard to pick a favourite moment in this series. There are too many to list.

@megancress1384

5 жыл бұрын

the root beer, it's the root beer scene

@mrmrsgamer6938

5 жыл бұрын

the last moments of old jake in "the visitor" perhaps ^^

@Thescott16

4 жыл бұрын

My favorite is the root beer scene (a.k.a. "Just like the Federation" on KZread). Because everything about it from the words themselves to the context of the scene to the fact that it was originally ad libbed by the actors just describes so much about Star Trek in general, both within the lore and in the real world impact it's had.

@godofawesum223

4 жыл бұрын

"It's a FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!" "It's REEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL!"

@Kalenz1234

3 жыл бұрын

In the pale moonlight is the best episode.

This single scene is better than all of discovery combined.

@TheRealmDrifter

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Discovery put the bar so low, even the infamous Gorn fight from the original series could top it. But yes, this scene between Garak an Odo definitely is a great one.

Out of all the Treks this one had the most Character Development. It also had me go from being a "Klingon Guy", to a "Cardassian guy". Garak and Dukat are my two favorite characters in all of the ST Universe.

@antonmoric1469

5 жыл бұрын

With you brother. Long Live Cardassia!

@Kara_Kay_Eschel

3 жыл бұрын

Once you go Cardassian, you don't go back.

Yes it takes a very special kind of tailor to be able to plant a bomb on a Romulan senator's shuttle

I loved this two part episode. It's very difficult to write two characters like Garak and Odo interacting and I think they really succeeded. Nothing more need, or could, be said about the quality of acting that Robinson and Auberjonois provided in this series.

Love the way scene is shot... It's a conversation where you don't even really see Odo, yet it's just as powerful as a face to face...

Two of the most intriguing characters in the canon.

The framing of this scene is amazing, from the movement of the camera in the contents of the tailor shop to Garak's reaction, to the blurry image of Odo as Garak looked into a mirror. I'd say that I would miss this show since new content isn't being made, but I probably won't stop watching it and continue to find new things about it to enjoy.

Character build up. One of the reasons why DS9 is one of the best Trek series.

The never ending sacrifice

Odo's invitation to Garak to have breakfast is his way of opening a dialog for friendship between them and Garak is Very surprised! Both Garak and Odo are a very private and closed personalities, so for him to open up that door to Garak is saying a lot but mostly an offer of trust and friendship. Both men has very few real friends to call their own.

Rest in peace Rene.

Aww... Look, Garak made a friend

@mrspidey80

3 жыл бұрын

And all he had to do was torture him!

Hands down the best character on the show and one of the best in all of star trek.

RIP Odo!

Odo doesn’t eat, but that doesn’t mean he won’t sit and talk with Garak. Great scene.

two friends on the other side of war fighting for the same things. I love DS9.

For a show taking place in space this scene sure has a *lot* of atmosphere

That look of disbelief and shock on Garak's face when he realised Odo genuinly forgives him for abusing him was just priceless - Truth and forgiveness - are in such short supply on Cardasia (esp due to his background). That experiencing them for real is just genuine shock to him :D

What a great directorial decision to keep the camera on Garak for this scene. Odo almost seems like a ghost or a mirage in the mirror. Some twisted apparition, while we get to see every little reaction, every little emotion on Garak's face. Simple yet effective. Sometimesyou don't even need to cut or move the camera toget a full picture of a situation

I love the fact that these two outsiders became friends.

Tinker, Tailor , Soldier , Spy.

What a tremendous performance.

I love this scene. There is so much respect between these men and a deep understanding. Adding to it is the cinematography; the way they keep the attention on Garak's expressions while only hearing Odo. It's so well-done and powerful.

The cinematography of this scene is just amazing. One long take where Garak cleans up a mirror damaged by his lies, only to see a dark silhouette of Odo looking back at him. It never cuts to Odo, or even puts him into focus, but just the imagery is strong enough that you get the impression they see each other as a different image of themselves.

Scenes like this are why DS9 was the best Star Trek ever made.

This is what a lot of new trek just doesn't have any more, just giving time for a scenes to breath, instead of eclectically jumping round from mini plot to mini plot like we have no attention spans

ahhhh, dialogue riddled with subtext and deeper meaning. I miss the days when writers would actually craft such succulent screenplays.

extending ones hand in friendship.... he now trusts him

Garak is the ultimate secret agent. He is Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.

I love how this scene is shot. We stay on Garak the whole time - we only see Odo via his reflection, and even then it's only a dark, muddled silhouette.

I wonder if this connection - Odo's need to stand with the Federation against his people, even though he desperately wants to rejoin them, and Garak's decision to not reveal what he's been told and thus regain his own place - is deliberately established to prefigure Garak's later treason on behalf of Starfleet Intelligence. After all, he too ends up fighting against his own people for all that he loves them.

God I miss this show, such incredible acting and dialogue

If you torture someone long enough, they will eventually be your friend. Still true.

@malcolmt7883

4 жыл бұрын

Now, there's a Hallmark card that'll never be sold.

Such an amazing scene. Such a beautiful shot. Everything so nuanced.

I remember seeing the trailer for Improbable Cause the week before this episode premiered which started this 2 parter and thinking it was going to be a boring episode, by the end, I was speechless and couldn't believe I had to wait for part 2. Reminds me of when two Muslim brothers I knew met Indians in Nashville in the late 80s while in College, who helped them acquire a car and a job from the hotel their family owned; In their native lands of Pakistan and India, they would have been blood enemies, but in exile, they became friends. I remember the younger brother asking me to go with him to Duncan Donuts because he was afraid his English would not be good enough, and the minute, he walked in the door, the Indian behind the counter asked him a question in his Native tongue, to which he replied since they shared a similar dialect, and thus the friendship and conversation began. I had to laugh, and afterward would tease Raz, "I think I better go with you to that Duncan Donuts, I'm not sure they will be able to understand you!" Deep Space Nine was about 10 to 30 years ahead of itself in storytelling, for what was about to transpire after 9/11 as far as world events go, it was incredible to watch, my favorite of the Star Trek series to this day!

Yet another wonderful interaction between two immensely interesting characters in a program blessed with many!

Love how this scene was shot, where you only see odo partly via the mirror. just really good set up.

The scene that let everyone know Garak was now a main character. Easily the most interesting one on DS9.

Garak's arguably my favorite character on DS9!

There are several. But I think these two were my two favourite DS9 characters. This was a great scene to me from a fabulous two-part episode. Thank you for posting it.

Now, how do we convince modern TV directors and producers to make stuff as great as this?

@Jokie155

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe start by making them more willing to actually listen to the fans without the fear of bombardment and reflexive attacks for being modern...

@censorduck

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jokie155 yet if we keep eating the feces they keep serving us, then what incentive do they have to improve?

Best character on the show by a mile.

Garak, one of the more interesting characters on DS-9 already piled with interesting characters.

Star Trek best scene...

One of the best episode arcs of the series.

Don't ever be anything like the original Star Trek Kirk Spock McCoy but I have to say DS9 was amazing so well written so well done so many wonderful characters it really was the best of its time.

This two-parter was what truly won me over to DS9. My brother had recorded it off the BBC and insisted I watch it. I was hooked and have loved the show ever since

Behold, the kind of shot composition every cinematographer dreams of! and for good damn reason

The cinematography of this scene is quite clever

Garak only appeared briefly for short scenes, and they were all worth hanging around for.

Garak is one of my Favorite ST Characters of all time. And I'm not even a Big DS9 guy. More of a TOS guy. But Garak Stands out

@pwnmeisterage

6 жыл бұрын

I don't think TOS offered any characters as interesting as Garak. Indeed, in TOS the characters themselves weren't as interesting as the interactions and dynamics between them. Especially considering how "little" screen time Garak got as a "secondary" character in DS9's much larger cast.

@GestapoPussyRanch

4 жыл бұрын

Character development on TOS focused on the big three (Kirk, Spock, and McCoy). They didn't do much with secondary characters, like they did in DS-9. There are entire episodes and storylines devoted to Quark. When did a TOS series episode ever focus almost totally on Chekov or nurse Chapel?

you made a friend garak...

Garak: dangerous ex-spy exiled cardassian full grown man liar of the best kind me: AWNNNN Look at you Elim! You've just made a friend!

Garak has to be my favorite character of the show, perhaps of all of Star Trek.

God, I love it.

Starfleet intelligence would be unstoppable if they had the likes of Garak in their ranks. But his loyalty is with Cardassia... Sloan: _('Not for long')_

DS9, what a show, the last season was regular lets say it, but the rest is pure gold.

Best series. Best character.

I love how they both have the unspoken understanding that Odo’s desire to go back home is something Garak also shares. All Garak wants is to be back on Cardassia, and Odo has actual empathy for him. It’s quite lovely.

“I thought you didn’t eat.” “I don’t.” “…😳”

This is so great that it makes me want to cry about some of the new ST...

"Why constable, there may be some hope for you yet!" :)

Good scene. The focus of the camera was a side shot of Garak's head and Odo's reflection in the background. DS9 was always good with setting up some dark intrigue along with strong relationships among the characters.

@03 ooh just saw Garak likes good ole fashioned Earth Oxford shoes.. Nice 😆

R.I.P Rene aka odo

I love TNG but DS9 was so special and honestly turned into my favorite Star Trek series years after it all ended

Garak was an amazing character, He was completely mercurial morally and ethically giving the writers almost free reign in what they wanted from him during an episode. A villain, a hero? Anything was possible. Definitely one of my favourite characters of all time.

In an era of replicators there would be no need for tailors or barkeeps. But these are welcome additions to the DS9 crew.

Now that I think of it, it seems as though Garak and Worf had the same thing happen to them as they were both exiled and disgraced from their homeland due to lie.

How good is this seen? One single camera shot, taking to a reflection of another main character that you can only see in shadow, plus the dialogue is very good, as usual with DS9. Yet another example of how it's the best series in the franchise. I really hope they HD remaster it like they have TNG.]

Initially I never really cared for Garak, as a character, in DS9... His entry in those early episodes seemed to only be there to further the 'one-shot' element of the first 2 series.... Before TNG ended and they could really explore the Dominion arc which would be the backbone for the next 5 series. His nature made no sense, and they never did really explain why he was exiled, rather than just killed for whatever 'crime' he committed... However.... As his background got delved into, and he as a character became so much more than just an 'Ex-member of the Obsidian Order', it did become apparent how the screenwriters began to enjoy the character as well. In the end, he not only became a pivotal member of the DS9 'family', but was instrumental in both the war against the Dominion, but also was there liberating Cardassia from Dominion rule... Oh, and all credit to Andy Robinson for what he brought to the character as well. It's been noted by all involved in DS9 (both in front of, and behind, the camera) that his acting craft, emotional and nuanced, defined how they all either reacted when acting alongside him, and how his developing character was 'written'... Brilliant performances through all seven seasons!

I recorded this two parter off of TV back then and it's a big favorite. Andrew Robinson and Rene Auberjonois give great performances, despite the makeup.

Garak just made a friend and ally in Odo. They will cooperate on many tasks together along with Quark in the future.

When Trek was Trek

Some terrific scenes in this 2-part episode between Garak and Odo. Very sad day with the passing of René Auberjonois. He will be missed.

Fun idea Garak trying to explain his world view to Data.

Just realised that Garak didn't blink at all

Did you all miss the double subtext? The first part you caught. Odo: Sisko would approve a "tailor's" shop. Garak: Sad thing, I was a very good "tailor". But the second: Odo: We should "eat breakfast". Garak: I thought you didn't eat. Odo: I don't. Neither Garak nor Odo are as they appear, and the invitation is not to share eating.

Dios que buenos personajes. no se cual me gusta más.

When I first watched DS9, I didn't really care for Garak. It's only now, 20 years later, that I really do appreciate the character.