This video has been removed on the most ridiculous copyright claim I have EVER seen. We’ve appealed, and I will be publishing a video on this topic shortly.

@TurntableTV

2 жыл бұрын

They somehow ignore fair use when it comes to negative reviews.

@lawsiesteve1649

2 жыл бұрын

@@TurntableTV It's a shame, I like the idea the story presents. Just found myself cringing, skipping episodes etc.

@Bern1808

2 жыл бұрын

Par for the course from the liberal left. You must tolerate their activism, disguised within the Star Trek brand, but if you say anything against it, you must be censored and canceled.

@suzygirl1843

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bern1808 It's not that. Star Trek was ALWAYS LIBERAL and WOKE. Why are incels always freaked out when there are black and gay people in their sci-fi? They had diversity in the original series that aired.

@sethgreen429

2 жыл бұрын

Bring TNG back!!!! Besides DS9 Star Trek has gone so wrong. I tried watching STD, but couldn't stomach the characters. I watched some clips of the last season and I feel lucky that I stopped watching after the very first episode.

STD is a classic case of putting the message/Agenda over story casting directing and writing.

STD was a mess from the first season on. Think about it. We have an officer who starts a galactic war, gets her captain killed, disobeys direct orders constantly, has an affair with an alien the Federation is at war with and spends more time worrying about whether or not her boyfriend-du-jour is really in love with her than doing her actual job so... let's give her command of our most advanced vessel. The whole spore drive plot was ridiculous and the way they wrote themselves out of the corner they were in with it was a text book example of lazy writing. Also the whole "Captain! The ships is about to explode and only you can save it, but take 5 minutes to tell your boyfriend how important he is to you" was just plain stupid.

Star Trek Discovery chose a rejected ship design for their main ship, it was rejected for a reason when people were making a Star Trek movie in the 80s.

I think it pretty much starts and ends with Michael’s constant, overly-dramatic “whisper-talking.” And it doesn’t need to be about something sad. She’ll order a glass of water, and *_still_* find a way to turn it into a dramatic conversation between two people with lots of crying and complimenting each other about how “brave” they are.

@DekritGampamole

2 жыл бұрын

Probably the writers have watched 10000 hours of Korean dramas.

@suzygirl1843

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe its just you nerds that have issues with this. People love watching dramas.

@derworfnet

2 жыл бұрын

I watched a technobabble-heavy scene from Season 2 out of context the other day and what really got to me was Michael's *intense* staring, as if she's one step away from murdering the person she looks at in cold blood. Okay, I don't know what kind of instructions the directors seem to give Soneqa Martin Green or if this just her shtick as an actress (havent seen her in anything else), but she manages to simultanously underact and _overact_ in almost every scene she's in. One moment she cries her eyes out, the next she shows wide-eyes-yet dull terror, other times she just acts unbearably smug (but without radiating the intellect to back up her smugness, like Jeri Ryan used to do on VOY) and sometimes she appears to give her best Nicholas Cage-impression (albeit without coming across as funny). All of this combined makes Michael Burnham look like an utter psychopath. And we, the audience, are supposed to like/admire/ador her? We are supposed to believe the other members of the crew aren't even *slightly* unnerved by her inconsistent behaviour?

@suzygirl1843

2 жыл бұрын

@@derworfnet Didn’t William Shatner act this way? She said that she took inspiration from him for season 2

@derworfnet

2 жыл бұрын

@@suzygirl1843 She did? Now that you mention it, I see similarities to Shatner at his most hammy. I know he is prone to overacting (the infamous *"I! Am! Captain! Kiiiirk!!"* scene comes to mind) but mostly, I think his Kirk came across as rather relaxed and at ease, thoughtful even. He wasn't chewing the scenery all the time. ;)

It will be very VERY interesting to see the number of views on KZread the finished version of "Prelude To Axanar" gets.

When you build a whole series around an implausible character with only two attributes - anger and impulsivity - you are bound to fail.

Totally agree, this isn’t Star Trek, this is LGBTQ Space Opera without any basis in science or what made Trek so great. Season 4 is just ludicrous, and I’m done with this. I’m waiting for The Orville to return.

@lkwood-fk6mn

2 жыл бұрын

the Sexual proclivity of the characters is so obviously foremost in the minds of the writers. It turns out to be such a huge, unnecessary distraction from the poor plots Give me adventure, good vs evil, special effects and heros. Cut the touchy, feely crap or your going to turn into supergirl

@rathenslog8490

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. When you have 6 LGBTQ characters, it's a bit much

@pekahon

2 жыл бұрын

If the earlier trek series would have been as sexually biased than this, we would have seen constant ass slapping by senior officers, constantly trying to hit young women, bed scenes etc. But earlier series left this aside and concentreated creating good story instead. STD is just qay porn.

@parabot2

Жыл бұрын

@@rathenslog8490 And I just saw and can’t wait for . I loved Acting. So glad to see more LGBTQ2IA+ representation! ! Their message about was so touching! Orville has gone down the tube too , utter rubbish.

@johnstrawb3521

Жыл бұрын

@Trevor EvansThe fondness for Orville always startles me. MacFarlane doesn't even resemble a good sci-fi dramatist. Combine that with unfunny 'comic relief' cranked to eleven and it's just painful stuff. Orville makes TNG, aka Trek for Tweens or Star Trek Lite, look like adult television.

Nu-Trek is the worst crap, to ever hit the airwaves, horrible, writing, acting, and story lines.

This is what happens when they hire writers who aren't fans of the previous incarnations of the series (and actively bar any fans from being hired), who don't understand science-fiction to begin with, and are only hired for diversity points rather than genuine, actual skill and writing talent. If they tick the right oppression boxes on a quota sheet but can't write anything better than a high-school girl level of cheap thoughtless drama, they'll not only get hired but might be made into a showrunner. It's why everything nowadays fails, the people who can create good television are being blocked from working in the medium because of their skin color. All in the name of being against prejudice against a person's skin color.

@peterd788

2 жыл бұрын

It has writers?

@johnstrawb3521

Жыл бұрын

Worse than that, its misandry and anti-white racism appalls. The presumption that whites and especially white men are interchangeable is uniquely repulsive in 2022.

@dorderre

Жыл бұрын

They are so eager to fight any prejudice, they developed heavy prejudice against the very people who made the franchise great in the first place: its fanbase.

@stevew8513

Жыл бұрын

@@paulthomas963 Bryan Fuller used to write for Deep Space Nine, so he was a fan and knew all about Star Trek. But CBS wanted to turn NuTrek into something completely different from what he wanted, so he was pushed out.

Having the entire Federation destroyed by an alien kid performing a Dragon Shout from Elderscrolls Skyrim on a galactic scale was ridiculous, stupid and out right silly.

@emperorofscelnar8443

Жыл бұрын

If you played Skyrim you’d know what I mean about the Dragon Shout to which that alien kid performed in Star Trek Discovery.

This show is awful. The producers have appropriated a once-great franchise to tell unrealistic stories about unbelievable and unlikeable characters (Saru aside) to force their fringe agendas. Other iterations of Star Trek were story-based, organically inclusive with characters that behaved rationally, and within natural limits. What the producers of this show are doing should be a crime against fictional humanity (professional fiction too...).

@jakehedwin7411

2 жыл бұрын

I say Jett reno is also good but other than her and saru i dont really like anyone else

@genox3636

2 жыл бұрын

I don't get what people don't like about this 😕

@Bern1808

2 жыл бұрын

@@genox3636 Are you any relation to Racer X from Speed Racer fame?

@genox3636

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bern1808 would be cool if I was

@aptaylor75

2 жыл бұрын

Unrealistic stories about a crew of Humans and Aliens, traveling through space at greater than the speed of light, to protect/expand the boundaries of a post-scarcity technological utopia? The horror.

STD Never started off good so there isn't a point where it went wrong. You cannot polish a turd!

My thoughts exactly. I have stuck with STD despite its failings out of a vane hope that at some point it would improve. However, I am utterly tired of the weak writing, poor character development, terrible plots and nauseating character interactions. Storylines are constantly interrupted as characters counsel each other in dealing with what ever issue they have at that moment. Where is the drama? Where is the depth? That so little has been learnt over the seasons and that it just gets worse with every episode is depressing. The audience has been treated like we need to learn something about positivity and being human. I'm a psychotherapist with a background in theatre, and I find that irritating! Drama is a safe container within which the complexity of the human condition can be explored. That requires drama, tension, conflict, not therapy sessions interspacing a narrative so that we get a therapeutic message. That is not how drama works, nor should it be. That simply infantilises the viewer and elevates the writers to patronising parental figures.

@TheLittlePlatoon

2 жыл бұрын

Very well put! It’s honestly a little baffling that a cast of characters with so many psychological problems was ever cleared to fly starships. It reaches the point where psychological stress isn’t a character event that drives their development but, rather, a default position that - as you say - actively hinders plot progression. Not to mention it deprives any one instance of stress of any significance or meaning, because there’s simply nothing to compare it to.

@saimashah5132

2 жыл бұрын

It is a bit mystifying why they had to put so many mental health-related themes in Discovery. I can accept that ST concept provides a platform to explore mental health issues, but the psychotherapy in the middle of the episode by the characters was a little alarming.

@xantophyll

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with the nauseating character interactions. I skipped all the scenes of Adira and Gray Tal as the acting was just so bad and over exaggerated. The first season was pretty good but it all went downhill with the start of season 3. Not gonna continue with STD anymore. I'm watching Strange New Worlds. Solid acting in this series.

@dwaynegreen1786

2 жыл бұрын

I personally like Sonequa Green as an actress, but it makes me cringe when the writers make her do everything because ‘only she is smart enough to do so’. You can get away with up to a point as Star Trek Voyager did a lot with Kate Mulgrew’s Capt Janeway. However, these writers don’t know when to stop. I believe there is a lot of talent on the show-Wilson Cruz, Tig Notaro, Wiseman and Ajalas- but it’s all being left undeveloped. Michelle Yeoh was largely waisted, although she did great as an alternate universe Emperor Georgiou which made up for the weak Captain Philippe Georgiou presented by the writers. I hope something is done to improve the story line in STD otherwise, even the staunched supporters like myself will walk away. Great presentation, and you covered all the key issues in the series and it was professionally done.

@TheDevilinThePaleMoonlight

Жыл бұрын

The problem with writing like this is that the writers dont even understand the constant emotional "drama" erases the stakes in almost every circumstance simply down to its extreme overuse. The very reason star trek worked so well in the past was the crew used their intellect and eachothers strengths to solve problems, we never had to suspend our disbelief while considering them as professional but that said, when the time came and emotional situations actually happened, they were incredibly impactful and always EARNED. You can't have predictable outcomes on a near constant basis and characters who's motivations are almost entirely predicated on manufactured emotional turmoil. There's no drama or suspense to be had in situations like that and that's literally Star Trek (Venereal) Discovery in a nutshell.

MOre people should watch The Expanse... or Arcane. How to have engaging characters and have a really good story for a season. I don't understand how they can pour so much money without knowing how to tell a well crafted story in 10 to 13 episodes... Boggles the mind.

@BojanBojovic

2 жыл бұрын

Watched The Expanse after being a ST fan for su long and never liked any other universe really. But after The Expanse this piece of garbage makes my brain hurt every time I give it another chance with yet another episode.

@J.Wolf90

2 жыл бұрын

Star trek doesn't seem right not being episodic

@BojanBojovic

2 жыл бұрын

@@J.Wolf90 Agree.

@greyeyed123

2 жыл бұрын

@@J.Wolf90 If done well, a long narrative on a Trek show could be done by someone with talent. Hasn't happened so far, though.

@J.Wolf90

2 жыл бұрын

@@greyeyed123 and it can still be episodic and have long arks like ds9 and ent did

CBS, Paramount, if you're reading this, shame on you, SHAME ON YOU! I'll tell you where it started to go wrong... STD, the abbreviation, fools.

I watched the first 3 seasons, always hoping it would improve. But halfway through episode 1 of season 4, that episode was so terrible I turned it off and haven't watched since then. And I'm a guy who thinks the movies with Chris Pine et al are fine, sometimes good.

@malikapollard3618

2 жыл бұрын

I rewatch those all the time hoping they're going to make more. 😔

@ThatGuyNorm

2 жыл бұрын

Agree.

@ravenRedwake

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve thought the show was okay so far (just stared season 3). The far future post Burn galaxy is a fascinating and interesting setting. I’m psyched about Picard going all Imperium of Man and want to see what that’s about, but I’ll wait until the season is all out. I don’t watch stuff “once a week” anymore.

@kittycatdays8719

2 жыл бұрын

Malika Pollard ngl same, loved the Pine movies. 2009 was pretty good and set a nice start to the trio friendship, Into Darkness had awesome sfx and Khan was badass asf, and Beyond was just an all round gem

@jeffthompson1869

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone has a valid opinion. I thought that they finally got on their feet during the 4th season. I agree with others that the first 3 seasons - the writing, acting and the overall plots were awful. But I thought they partially redeemed themselves with the 4th season. And I look forward to seeing if they can improve on the 5th season. But if you are not into Discovery - Star Trek is exploding with new series to check out. Star Trek is a kids show with adult themes - and has always been cutting edge progressive in outlook due to the creator Gene Roddenberry's outrageously optimistic outlook on how the problems we face today are resolved - and from that how we value new civilizations and new worlds and new sentient life out in space. The 4th season of Discovery stuck to that original Trek theme - so I am confused as to what the real issue people think makes this season a failure.

its been my experience that STD can always get worse.

@dpo1713

Жыл бұрын

you must always finish the course of antibiotics is my advice.

They need a team of scientists, futurists, and science fiction writers WHO ARE ALSO FANS of Trek, and develop something. Literally ANYTHING they came up with would be better than anything we've seen in the last four years of Trek. Edit 8 months later: Except "Strange New Worlds". It was actually very good, and I'm looking forward to season 2.

@johnwhorfin5150

Жыл бұрын

scientists will just say "oh we will collapse around 2040" why worry about some storyline that was created to be new and expand..for gods sake man are you insane. A bloke named q turned up once. THAT was the true end of star trek

@greyeyed123

Жыл бұрын

@@johnwhorfin5150 ...uh... What?

@nurlindafsihotang49

Жыл бұрын

......uh, like Axanar that get sued by Paramount? And the judge actually says "this is because you made that fan film too good!"

@neilgodwin6531

9 ай бұрын

SNW is the closet to "classic" Trek we'll ever get, and Anson Mount the best Captain since Picard and Kirk

Star Trek Discovery: How did it go wrong? It premiered. That show was rubbish from the get go.

TOS was saved by a letter writing campaign. Twice. What about a letter writing campaign demanding Discovery's cancellation? Paramount/CBS/Secret Hideout won't know how to deal with that! "Paper? What's that?"

I saw two episodes and I thought this ain’t Star Trek this is Orcs in space.

Characters went weird and yucky by the end, I walked away as did a bunch of my friends.

I couldn't even finish season one. If it was its standalone show or its own universe I still wouldn't like it but but that would be that. But it being Star Trek is fucking insulting. I feel genuinely angry whenever I am reminded that this "Star Trek" exists.

A ships computer with feelings….. so many problems that comes with that ! What happens if the ship don’t wanna work anymore bc he doesn’t feel it….that happen mid battle ! I understand why the federation banned feelings AIs…..bitch everything bad that happens in our world is bc of feelings.

very well spoken and presented. STD is dogshite and you've got a copyright strike because Paramount can't handle the truth

@ardillarojo

2 жыл бұрын

You could just post "I'm a pitiful incel loser". Pretty much sums up your post.

@genox3636

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe revisit this, I think this vid is a hit piece to talk down star trek

@elu5ive

2 жыл бұрын

STD is a very fitting abbreviation

@genox3636

2 жыл бұрын

@@elu5ive what do you mean?

@suzygirl1843

2 жыл бұрын

Stop calling it that. Star Trek had always been "woke". Why are you mad that it has more representation and blatant LGBTQ than ever before?

Season 4 is so bad it’s comical. Like I haven’t laughed so hard at a show in a long time. Too bad it’s not supposed to be funny

Such a great summation of all that is wrong with Discovery. You should consider doing a "Why Kurtzman Trek is an abomination." to cover all incarnations of this love letter to progressive trope that someone found on the steel reel in a bus station lavatory.

@ardillarojo

2 жыл бұрын

You could just post "I'm a pitiful incel loser". Pretty much sums up your post.

@oldylad

2 жыл бұрын

@@ardillarojo cringe

@BiggieTrismegistus

Жыл бұрын

_Lower Decks_ isn't part of that abomination. LD is at that very least good and on occasions excellent. I could not recommend it more highly to Star Trek fans.

the Orville is the real Star Trek series. I'll definitely not subscribe to Paramount+

3:47 "But it was heartening for me ... that the response to my last video was bipartisan. As a result of that video, I have met and engaged with people who would disagree on a huge amount politically, but who have been united against Star Trek Discovery because they view it as a disgrace to the thing that they are likewise united in their affection for: the point and purpose, past and present, of Star Trek as a franchise. There are few reasons to be cheerful about modern politics, but I am choosing to take this as a damned good sign. It's proof that our culture and our politics are not one and the same thing. It's proof that there is much in our culture that remains unifying, and much about our cultural history that is a source of real pride, no matter where one stands on issues of contemporary politics." [Every once in a while, I hear a statement that I like to type up, because I find it particularly admirable.] 🖖

TNG was saddled in its first two seasons by Roddenberry's declaration that there couldn't be conflict between crewmembers. All conflict had to come from outside. Then he stepped back due to illness (or was forced out) and suddenly the show "grew the beard," turning into the jewel we remember it as. Discovery is what happens when Roddenberry's declaration is followed. Bland characters who congratulate each other all the time, in between hugs and tears. They literally have to flip over to the mirror universe to create interpersonal conflict, and they wrote themselves out of that possibility in Season 3. So what remains is Mary Sue and her fans fixing the galaxy with heartfelt conversations and the power of love. Great. I'd rather watch "Arena," or "Errand of Mercy" a hundred times.

im trying to figure out why the show still has fans

Tell me the name of the bridge crew without googling it… see… that’s how bad it is.

@TheLittlePlatoon

2 жыл бұрын

I’m actually putting together our season 4 review at the moment. I didn’t need to mention any of the bridge crew until episode 11 or 12, and even then it was only one of them- pilot girl. The one with the eyes. David Bowie’s sister. That one. I realised I had absolutely no idea what any of their names are, so I just made them up. It made no difference.

@dandeliondown7920

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLittlePlatoon Larry, Moe, and Curly. No, wait ...

I gave Disco three Chances (four if one counts Picard) And it was NOT worth it 🖖

I can remember minute details about Trek episodes from Enterprise and before, yet I can't remember much of anything from STD or Picard

Oh by cannon Kirk was the first cadet to pass the Kobyashi Mauriu apology for spelling, oh and why is her name Michael?

@joet7136

2 ай бұрын

To fight the patriarchy, of course.

The fall of the Federation in the future was already done in Andromeda, and while not great it was done much better than in STD.

I'm sure the investors will wise up soon enough to the creative ways Paramount has been lying about STD's success.

@TheLittlePlatoon

2 жыл бұрын

I hope it happens across the whole streaming service economy, tbh. It’s disastrous for fans and it increasingly resembles a pyramid scheme.

As a person that has given Discovery a genuine chance, Season 2 was the only thing that was ok. The series has squandered fantastic ideas. Spoilers for some: Burnham is an adopted sister to Spock and yet she's emotional every few seconds (They should have treated her as a Vulcan that is human, not having her cry every time she stubs her toe). Season 2s "Control" was another rehash of the "AI evil" routine, which is a rundown concept. Season 3 and having the "Burn" was an awesome idea until we find out it was a person in a nebula and them spending episodes in "calming him down." It was stupid. In fact, they could have had it where they never solved what caused "The Burn" or had it as an outside universe that was affecting our universe without showing too much to the audience on the cause and effect. For recent shows, I've had more entertainment from Lower Decks, an animated Star Trek, which easily enough supposedly doesn't take itself seriously and yet makes more sense as a Star Trek. Even Orville, which was supposed to be a Star Trek, is more Star Trek than Discovery. It's crazy how everything has become.

@rathenslog8490

2 жыл бұрын

The end of season 3 absolutely infuriated me. I felt cheated

@parabot2

Жыл бұрын

@@rathenslog8490 Do I as a writer introduce a contemporary issue in a clever way looking at it through a many different lenses, exploring how it came about and looking at the different views on it? Or do I get a character presented as always right to take an explicit view on it and use the script to trash everybody else during the D grade story ? Well we know that decided the later was the way to go, it's pathetic.

@JMartJr

Жыл бұрын

At least the often clever in-jokes and Easter Eggs in Lower Decks indicate it is made by people who know and like Trek.

@BiggieTrismegistus

Жыл бұрын

Are talking about the cause of the Burn? I've been reading superhero comics for over 3 decades so I'm used to hearing stupid explanations for things. "Maxwell Lord is evil now because Superboy-Prime got mad and punched the space-time continuum" is stupid but I've made peace with it. It don't know if "a crying Kelpian child with special genetics screams when he see his mom die and blows up most of the dilithium in the galaxy" is something I'll ever except. BTW Romulans warp cores don't require dilithium. Where are they or where is that technology?

@BiggieTrismegistus

Жыл бұрын

​@@JMartJrLower Decks is like a godsend. Trek made by people who understand Trek. Even though it's a a comedy if fell much more Trek-like than Discovery or the first 2 season of Picard

Were STD not a Star Trek show, it wouldn´t have reached Season2, hell, perhaps it wouldn´t have finished Season 1 without being cancelled. A failure of such magnitude can be explained only by the brand power of Star Trek itself.

There was an episode where Michael Burnham forced aliens to make first contact, for their dilithium. Deep Space 9 Captain Sisko didn't force Bajor to join the Federation. Burnham would have threatened the Bajorian people to join according to how her character is written.

@TheLittlePlatoon

2 жыл бұрын

I'm trying to recall the episode. Is it the one where she lands on the planet, offers dilithium, is refused, and then there's the chase scene culminating in a jump of a cliff? (And where have I see *that* before...) If so... yes and no. The Prime Directive prohibits that kind of first contact. But I think, in the context of that episode, the defense would be that it was *not* first contact, but rather reopening a channel with a species already contacted, and so aware of the Federation. Completely agree re the the approach taken to Federation membership in this series, though. It reflects a very unfortunate trend in modern progressivism: you must sign up to X bureaucracy to be a "good person". The bureaucracy cannot be wrong, and it cannot be denied.

@technoclutter4003

11 ай бұрын

You're right but also sisko did the opposite he used pathetic hallucinations and religious foundation to manipulate bajor from joining the federation. He also inadvertently killed a guy in order to cover something up and didn't hold anyone responsible for it and never told the truth lol

@dannyknightblade4592

8 ай бұрын

@@technoclutter4003 Captain Sisko did eventually confess to his role in destroying a Romulan starship and blame it on the Dominion to trick the Romulans into joining the war. The higher up from Starfleet Captain Sisko confessed to let it slide because the United Federation of Planets was in such a dire situation with the Dominion war that he felt they needed all the officers they could use in the war.

Dear sir. I thank you from the bottom of my soul for saving me from having to slog through seasons 2,3, and 4. Season 1 was more than enough for me. Now I'm glad to know I made the right choice. Cheers.

I tried to watch the first season, but the vibe was so unlike any Star Trek I had ever seen and absurd with how it portrayed Star Fleet I never bothered beyond episode 1. Whatever this is, it is not Star Trek. It is an abomination. The network is propping it up to make themselves look good. I am not sure who this series is for. Alex Kurtzman is a hack.

The problem I see is these corporates are so lacking in subtlety that refusing to watch may kill star trek for good, since they'll go "oh, no one is watching, I guess star trek isn't a big draw anymore"

Excellent points. The setting of the show is dark and gloomy. How the crew solve it is with a nauseating barrage of simple, upbeat grade school concepts of teamwork, togetherness, and positive thinking. Or as you put it: The power of love. Their only true obstacle is self doubt and a case of the sads which they have to talk each other out of in every episode

@aptaylor75

2 жыл бұрын

DS9. O'Brien put a phaser under his chin to blow his own head off. Sisko irradiated an entire inhabited planet to catch one guy. Garak murdered a Romulan senator to lure an entire race into a galactic war on false pretenses. That wasn't dark and gloomy? Or that wasn't Trek?

@wongscp1701

Жыл бұрын

The fact that they cry their way out of situations is utter garbage. 1+x=9: good trek, captain there are many solutions to this problem but some have more implications than others. 1+x=9, STD, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah my feelings! Who cares if people or aliens die, fuck them....my feeeeeeeeelings waaaaaaaaaaah!!!!

They lost me when they made Klingons look like Orcs

Might as well call Star Trek Discovery the Burnham Timeline. We all saw previous Star Trek series, these types of things were never supposed to happen. After all, we are too talking about temporal agents and whatnot, where are they all at? That's the point. Discovery was never meant to time travel on second thought. Doing probably is what created the rift. And if not, it's still bad writing.

@overseer5660

2 жыл бұрын

The Temporal Wars start around 29th century, no? Discovery is in the 32th century. None of this should've happened. And where are the temporal agents to warn of this anyway because it's a matter of life and death? Especially Control?

@overseer5660

2 жыл бұрын

The Rift must be the black hole this whole show is.

@twinwankel

2 жыл бұрын

You are still caught up in that terrible Enterprise series which killed the entire franchise. Temporal agents way before TOS??? How come they didn't appear in the TOS. Kirk would have seen them many times before. It's senseless crap.

It’s all feelings talks. Everything is gonna be ok all the time. Just no substance. Has all the action as a glacier. Also, hearing “dma” over and over again is making me hate those three letters.

Discovery is by far the worst star trek series ever. It is beyond terrible and would take years to tear each episode apart.

@TheLittlePlatoon

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know about years, but I’ve got two hour+ episodes of a three part critique doing just that - and part three is coming in at around two and a half hours!

I tuned out with all of the crying and screaming that passes for story telling on STD.

I have been alive to grow up watching the best of Star Trek and Star Wars....and alive to see it all be on the brink of destruction due to "lack of writing"

In Season 5 of STD, the ultimate season, they rehash a Star Trek TNG about finding the progenitors, but instead of doing it in a single episode, they drag it out through 10 1 hours shows.

Star Trek has a long legacy of driving fan interest with very strong visual effects and iconic space ship design. The effort that previous iterations of Trek have put into their visual effects and design of the craft that appear on screen have encouraged fan love with model kits, replicas, and games for decades. To me, one of the most fascinating elements of NuTrek's general awfulness has been how badly they have fundamentally misunderstood that. When Discovery was set in the 23rd Century, the ship design and logical continuity of the visual effects was all over the place, culminating in one of the most incomprehensible science fiction space battles sequences I have ever seen with the finale of Season 2. Now that the show's setting is in the 32nd Century, it's a total mess from a design standpoint. Every ship shown on screen is a Micheal Bay 's Transformers mess of 3d effects thrown into a blender and then obscured with lens flares and none of it is memorable.

@TheLittlePlatoon

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. It’s one of the most important things in the construction of any universe- at the absolute minimum, design has to make sense. And ideally, it has to make sense and be iconic. Star Wars had Ralph McQuarrie. He was a genius. The design of the Discovery is actually based on concepts he drew up for an unreleased Star Trek film, though his was much less shiny and polished. But the design in Seasons 3 and 4 is just atrocious. It’s all over the place. And it’s fundamentally impractical, intangible and unreal. Ships that can disassemble themselves into myriad pieces, the nacelles - engine pods, basically - being detached from the hull; this isn’t careful, thought out, practical design work, it’s just done because it can be done.

@mbogucki1

2 жыл бұрын

Its what happens when your ego prevents you from calling Rick Sternbach or Michael and Denise Okuda when designing Star Trek.

Subscribed. Your criticism is very level-headed and relatable even if many might not resonate with other fans.

On the topic of the computer: Yes, it is an AI. It is an artificial interface system with an artificial voice, which has attained sentience. It is, by definition of it getting built in the first place, artificial. It is also intelligent. Therefore, it is an artificial intelligence. But not only that, it is on a ship which not very long before had a confrontation with an AI, which was not an AI but was intelligent enough to have wants, one of which was to become an AI, which had its conciousness on board the ship. If I was thencaptain of that ship and the computer started to express feelings all on its own, I would dump the computer core and then blow it up.

@BWMagus

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Eh...Data was a computer attempting to experience emotion (and doing so at one point) who was also capable of hijacking the ship on a moment's notice. But yes, it is a terrible, terrible way to get around their own invented rule of "no AI"--don't invent the rule if you're immediately going to ignore it.

You might expect to find season 4 on the Mills and Boone shelf.

Yeah forget Disco and STP. The true contemporary inheritor of the *spirit* of Trek is The Orville.

NuTrek is garbage. All Kurtzman crap is derivative.

The single biggest, most glaring fault with all the "modern, new" Trek: misery. TOS offered us a bright and hopeful vision of where we could progress to. Even though it was not a perfect galaxy and there clearly were arising problems, the outlook was good. Today Trek efforts are obsessed with being dark and gritty and that simply doesn't play well - if we want to see a crappy world, we can simply tune in the media. People want a tomorrow which may struggle at moments yet show the best traits of humanity winning out over the darker potential. Current Trek won't do that.

Fire all the writers. That is the only way to save it. Eg. Your willing to listen to a DOT-7 to scream while it dies but care about your main computers feelings in a crisis? Sloppy !

4:39 we are united and I never thought of it that way thank you

I hope this show's series finale ends with Riker and Troi ending a holodeck program showing a class of Starfleet cadets what an alternate timeline looks like. "This is what would have happened of California wasn't nuked in the early 21st century."

The Independent Star Trek Films made by fans on You Tube before Paramount started to shut them down mid 2010’s way more interesting! To bad corporate interest is the only drive for Star Trek!

If anything, I am surprised at how many comments say "It was good, but then got bad when X happened!" Uh, no, it was always bad, it just didn't smash through your suspension of disbelief until X happened--something finally made you go "Wait a minute!" and you turned your brain back on, but go back to previous episodes with your brain still on and you'll see it there too. Star Trek has always had flaws but balanced it out with also engaging your brain elsewhere; now, like everything else, it relies on you turning your brain off entirely--it is completely superficial, in that if you scratch the surface, you immediately see the shit. God, I almost wish I could force budget cuts on media somehow, because when they couldn't cover everything in fancy effects, they had to write actual fucking characters and dialogue and stories to keep us entertained and invested.

I struggled watching through season 1&2 and after season 3 I was done and couldn't watch it anymore. Season 3 was all about crying on every episode.

Its astounding how fast the Tilly actress ballooned. First season she starts out like a normal healthy woman, and just a couple episodes later she's already gaining weight. How long was it between episodes? 😂

I love how the holodeck is now a part of "old Trek". It makes me feel...old.

The show's pacing, with some episodes feeling rushed or overly focused on the action at the expense of character development and plot. The way the plotlines have been executed gives me the feeling that the show has relied too heavily on plot twists and cliffhangers. The characters in Star Trek Discovery are not as well-developed as those in previous Star Trek series, and the show has not given them enough time to grow and evolve. Another major issue with the show's departures from the established Star Trek canon is the appearance of the Klingons and how the USS Discovery's spore drive technology operates.

What a god awful show

The parent company of STD knows how much the series is hated. I imagine there was a contract involved somewhere that required them to make 5 seasons of this crap. After season 2 they took the whole barfing mess and threw it 1000 years into the future. The reason they did this was make sure that STD couldn't continue to pollute the standard star trek universe. I imagine once the last episode of STD is put to bed it will be put in the same bucket as ST:V. The one that the Great Bird himself labeled, "that did not happen."

The best part of the show was Pike and Spoke despite their best attempt to put an all female minority cast together.

@TheLittlePlatoon

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed re Pike, less so hipster Spock.

I’ve always been a ST fan. I was hopeful discovery would be an expansion and proper the franchise forward. By season 2 I honestly thought I was being punked. The ridiculous dialogue coupled with the horrific acting and bizarre storyline dashed that hope. It’s really just very very sad. Money talks I suppose

When I like a production, like Game of Thrones, I buy it. Star Trek Discovery, Pickard, lower decks and prodigy I will NOT buy. I own, Star Trek Voyager and Deep Space Nine. It was the awful Discovery that made check out Star Trek Enterprise and found a few episodes interesting. The writing for Discovery lacks imagination.

@TheLittlePlatoon

2 жыл бұрын

Shallow though it is, I just can’t get past the intro for Enterprise. That opening theme is lethal levels of cringe.

@jenniferj5324

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLittlePlatoon That song grew on me lol ... Enterprise gets good though.

@robstrange129

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLittlePlatoon They should have used the Mirror Universe theme

@rathenslog8490

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLittlePlatoon the DVDs have a skip function lol

@jcdf2

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLittlePlatoon I had entirely forgotten how cringe it was. Fortunately I have to ability to completely forget such things after a short time. To our shame the singer was Englishman.

Quantum teleportation is not a good example for something that can just appear and disappear, since it only really works on the quantum scale. A much better example would be *the spore drive*.

@TheLittlePlatoon

2 жыл бұрын

I did regret not including the spore drive, but that actually seemed a less fitting example. Quantum teleportation involves a higher degree of the unknown - there are arguments about where the teleporting object goes to in the intervening period between appearances that involve other dimensions and universes. Technically the spore drive operates by universal laws, as set up by the writers, because the mycelial network effectively undergirds the galaxy, and doesn’t require that they pop out of existence before reappearing. But I think it would still have worked as a case in point, yep. They are still disappearing and reappearing.

@BWMagus

Жыл бұрын

Or, you know, Q.

A sincere thank you, The Little Platoon, for a great 20 minutes. I enjoyed this more than any STD episode.

I watched the end of the last season released, it was so pitiful the lady/thing mentioned her dead wife 4 times in 1 episode.... WTH does that have to do with a scourge going to Earth? or the ship being caught in a bubble?

I think one/of the major problems is that Michael Burnham is just SO unlikeable. It's fine for a character to be a villain, but they must have some redeeming qualities or else the audience has nothing to root for. Burnham has no redeeming qualities whatsoever and that's a real turn-off for the audience.

@TheLittlePlatoon

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is, she’s not even written to be a villain. Like Captain Marvel, the writers genuinely don’t see that their hero is doing anything wrong. Which reflects pretty badly on their own character and personal morality.

@karahughes7074

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLittlePlatoon That too is a problem. The writers can't see that she's NOT a hero. Her actions (from killing the Torch Bearer to assaulting her Captain - even I thought WTF at that point) are just not heroic.

I’ve always voted with my wallet for what little good it seems to do lately. That includes streaming services. I’m about done with collecting media anyways as I own most of what I want to watch, read, or listen to. Seems I’ve aged out of the mainstream. Easier on the budget is the only positive I can think of. Where do I go to escape from my escapism?

@TheLittlePlatoon

2 жыл бұрын

Modern media is good for escaping escapism since it seems to insist that you’re not allowed your escapism.

I think the days of Star Trek is done. It's time to move on to the shows like Expanse with real plot lines based on human nature with our ever-changing values to new stimuli

I wonder whose job it is to wake Tig Notaro up and tell her what Star Trek is every day before she shows up on the set not knowing any of her lines.

@TheLittlePlatoon

2 жыл бұрын

Is that why they just give her asinine dead-pan one-liners?

Nothing can just appear and disappear... *Q enters chat

Just tried to watch season five - lasted exactly 21 minutes and switched to Voyage to the bottom of the sea. The underwear spider with glowing eyes was more entertaining - and nothing offended me.

They are so desperate for people to watch this show, they put it on Pluto, a free t.v. service. So they have basically given people the chance to see this crap and never subscribe.

@TheLittlePlatoon

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, I completely missed that. Pluto is another Viacom/CBS service, though, so a similar point applies. I suspect that’s been done to compensate for the fact Paramount+ itself isn’t yet available in the UK.

2 years too late, but still: A ship is stranded in the future and the organization it belonged to has ceased to exist and they work to recreate said organization and the ship's computer has a personality? Where have I heard that before? Right, in the show 'Andromeda' (2000-2005) based on notes left by the Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry. For all it's flaws and mistakes, at least 'Andromeda' wasn't a copy, had seasons with more episodes and longer episodes. Also, 'Andromeda' survived 5 season on their main premise and didn't need two stories to fill their first season. P.S. If you look at 'Andromeda' I find it rather clear that Roddenberry had this idea for Star Trek. The parallels are obvious if you look for them.

Love the Ed Begely Jr Simpsons reference

Thank you again for your time and effort in putting your videos together. Your intelligent analysis is incredibly appreciated. It is so nice to watch/listen to an intelligent person discussing a topic thoughtfully. Thank you. Love and appreciation from Australia 👍🇦🇺

The first 3 seasons were not as bad that I was sure that it would be. It had lots of decent things to explore but they did not. For a prequel, in some way, they have to have less developed tech, less organized federation, fewer alien races. Going to war with the klingons was so cheap!!

Will never ever subscribe to Paramount+ in protest of Nu-Trek crap.

I stopped watching it, both Picard and Discovery. And Whenever i talk to someone about it, i let them know that those shows are not Star Trek

More hugging and crying than is humanly possible. Oh Yeah I forgot about the Hand holding and tender moments that that stand in lieu of good story telling.

@TheLittlePlatoon

2 жыл бұрын

You don’t need story when you’ve got feelings!

@BiggieTrismegistus

Жыл бұрын

All the tender moments, even those that happen for some reason when time is of the essence. It's maddening. Hell, even the ship's computer need therapy in season 4. Ugh.

It's when Burnham shed her Vulcan past and became Mickey from the block

As a long-term Trek fan who has enjoyed all the previous Trek tv shows, I just gave up with this a third of the way through season 3, so it's not like I didn't give it a chance. It may be called Star Trek, but really, it's not

"How did it all go WRONG?!?" That is NOT an appropriate question; the one that SHOULD be asked is, "Why could it NOT go RIGHT?"

I can't even think of DISCO as a Star Trek show. To me it's just The Michael Burnham Show Starring Michael Burnham. I've expressed my dislike of the focus on her on other sites, and get shut down with BuT ShE'S thE mAin CHaRacTeR, and that in itself is a problem to me. Other Treks have had a core group of main characters rather than everything orbiting just one person. TOS wasn't The James T Kirk Show. TNG wasn't The Jean-Luc Picard Hour. No, you had Capt Kirk, Lt Spock, and Dr McCoy as the core, with strong support from Uhura, Chekov, Scotty, and Sulu. Other incarnations of Trek are similar. But DISCO is hyper-focused on a boring character who against all credulity ends up becoming a starship captain (after MUTINYING!), while surrounding her with a dozen other characters that we're supposed to care about, but really can't because there's too many for them all to receive adequate screen time for us to get to know them. Frankly, the only reason I still watch is because of Doug Jones; if he were to leave the show, there'd be no reason for me to tune in. I am also really disappointed that they went so far off from the original premise: a series that occurs after Enterprise, but before TOS. With the time travel into the Far Distant Future, we're missing out on all the transitional tech & growth of the Federation/Star Fleet. But I guess they had to do something to explain away why neither Spock, Sarek, or Amanda ever mentioned Michael... On the plus side, we're into May now, and the two episodes I've seen of Strange New Worlds look promising.

Star Trek was about how we will learn to be better versions of ourselves, and get over our differences. Nu-Star Trek is about how we're better than you, and we're right.

Nothing wrong with a bit of emotion, but ST spent way too much time on long, lingering shots of people crying to camera. Especially Martin-Green (give me a break). A SF space series is not a mental health support group. Just show us some juicy space exploration, space ships, explosions - the stuff that works.

I'm Progressive and I couldn't stand Mary Sue Burham from the start. The episode where Tilley, who is morbidly obese, comes from behind to win to win a half marathon was a real eye roller for me 🙄

I guess a better question is why do you think it all went wrong?

I feel I may be inadvertently following your advice. I've had an Amazon Prime subscription for several years solely because I can watch Star Trek there. As soon as I finish watching the expanse, I intend to cancel my Prime subscription because they no longer are for Star Trek as part of the Prime subscription.

@TheLittlePlatoon

2 жыл бұрын

I think Season 2 of Picard is still part of the Prime subscription, but I’m not aware of any others. You can pay for Discovery, but who in their right mind would do that?!

You know the Burn could have been explained by a different event happening. The Q continuum was attacked by an outside force and the aftereffects of that was Dilithium exploding.

@mbogucki1

2 жыл бұрын

I honest to god thought "The Burn" was going to be a continuation of "Force of Nature" from TNG. It was already established that warp travel was destroying subspace. But then STD is not written by people who actually watched Star Trek it seems.

@Typhonis007

2 жыл бұрын

@@mbogucki1 Thought of that but it doesn't cover the entire Galaxy and by the 30th or 31st Century they should have an answer to the problem from Force of Nature. My idea was the Enemy was probing Q defenses for centuries, carefully. Trying to figure out what they would respond to and setting up messes for them to clean. Then they hit all at once. Think 1980's style Nuclear exchange only the Q was tougher than expected and have been fighting like demons ever since. All the weird shit the Trek crews have encountered are aftershocks or side effects of two ascended races going to total war yet not trying to end the universe.

@kittycat0876

2 жыл бұрын

Yep

@rathenslog8490

2 жыл бұрын

Both great ideas, but they have a woke agenda to uphold