Part of the reason this fight was so close even considering the gap in tech between the 2 is your own piloting, youre not half bad.

@adamlee2111

Ай бұрын

Thank you! I’ve had a lot of practice 😂

I love the Type 7/8 dual phaser pulses. TNG excelsior got a variant of the Ambassador phasers (less powerful but comparable) and the Ambassador ish shields. My understanding is that it took both ball turrets summed to make one type 9 beam ish. Similar with the Miranda. But even less than the excelsior. Don't think Excelsior would have gotten something close to type X phasers until the dominion war, and the only excelsior ship that was indicated on was the Lakota. Later Ambassador class and Nerendra would have gotten the Type X as a refit since they have the size and power generation abilities.

@adamlee2111

Ай бұрын

Yeah I doubt any Excelsior except the Lakota had Type X phasers, my guess is all Excelsiors were upgraded to Type IX’s throughout the Cardassian border wars

@aaronatwood9298

Ай бұрын

@@adamlee2111 Am I bad for hating the excelsior? I just think its a fugly brick. And it taints my view of the Nerendra because it looks too excelsior.

@adamlee2111

Ай бұрын

@@aaronatwood9298 yes you’re despicable 😂 It’s easily my favourite design in Star Trek, I’m glad it wasn’t depicted as a rust bucket during tng and the dominion war like the Miranda class

I LOVE that Enterprise B! It's a bit too powerfulbut all the hardpoints, like where the lhasers fire from, are amazing! One thing that confuses me on the 24th century Excelsior class is the single phaser beam emitted from the dual turrets. Shouldn't we see two beams from each turret that merge into a single beam?

@adamlee2111

Ай бұрын

Agreed, the Enterprise B needs toning down a little, I haven't balanced the 23rd century ships properly yet. The dual turrets should fire two beams but only ever fired one in Ds9 so I stuck with that (saved me writing twice as many phasers in the script 🤣)

@thespecialneedsgroup

Ай бұрын

I've always kind of assumed that both turrets are firing a beam simultaneously, and they're so close together that it looks like one beam. That whatever technical limitation that used to require firing each turret in individual pulses has been overcome, and both turrets can now just let loose with raw firepower.

@adamlee2111

Ай бұрын

@@thespecialneedsgroup I’ll go with that, it saves me a lot of work 😂

Makes sense. A photon torpedo is a photon torpedo, until the advent of Quantums, there's only so much more yield it can have, no matter which century it's from. So it makes sense the 23rd century ship could still do quite a lot of damage to the modern refit of the Excelsior. Phasers are... idk. Maybe more advanced emitters would do the trick, so yes, they should be a bit more powerful. Shields are where it's at though. And there's canon-proof of that, in Voyager (forgot the exact ep, one where Tuvok takes Janeway on a mind-trip to his time on Sulu's excelsior) - where Janeway says how they had "no multiphasic shields" back then. So if you want to balance it out, I'd focus mainly on the shields (drop their rating by... 25% maybe). Leave the weapons pretty much as-is. Either shield power or shield recharge rate. Maybe both. Or maybe (if it can be done), make it so that the 23rd century shields have a bit of 'bleed-through' from weapons fire. Also canon-evidence of that, in STIV Undiscovered Country, Enterprise took quite a bit of damage from Chang's BoP through it's shields. Some scoring on the hull, some internal damage. So they weren't exactly 100% absorb.

@adamlee2111

Ай бұрын

That's my thinking too: drop the shield strength a little but leave the phasers. The phasers are already about 25% less powerful in overall damage, made worse by the fact that they take 5 seconds to discharge vs 1 second for the Ds9 Excelsior. I would LOVE to see STVI style shields for the TMP era but sadly the shields are hard coded, only the strength, recharge rate and colour can be changed. I've tried to make the TMP shields more primitive by locking all the vectors together so the whole shield grid drains no matter which vector is hit. The only option here would be to coat the ship with ablative armour are rename it "deflector shields" or something. That would produce the burn marks and damage bleed but it would be hell matching the visual damage and system hit points so that everything makes sense: we could easily end up with a ship that's full of holes but all systems still function or inversely, a critically damaged ship that looks almost brand new.

@necroticavalon5176

Ай бұрын

@@adamlee2111 lol I wouldn't call that more primitive, if anything, a homogenus shield grid deffo has its advantages in a 1 on 1 fight. You dont have to worry about exposing weak facings so much. I'd leave a segmented grid, and just lower the strength (and maybe recharge rate). And also lower the hull rating (also makes sense, since a lot of the ship's toughness actually comes from 'structural integrity fields' inside the ship). Stands to reason that a 23rd century ship would have more primitive SIF honeycomb then a DS9-era refit. Hull would be more prone to buckling. That's also how my head-canon works, on why Cardie Galors and Keldons are so paper-weak in vanilla BC - primitive SIF grids, so their hulls buckle fast.

@adamlee2111

Ай бұрын

@@necroticavalon5176 That's true when the shields are strong but once they weaken a homogeneous grid is a liability. I decided to use them on 23rd century ships because of the STVI battle that shown a single shield vector on a display. I might just dial the shields and phasers down 10% at a time until it feels right. I want to keep the single shield grid to make the 23rd century ships feel different to the 24th otherwise each era will feel the same: I use hull plating for Enterprise era, mono vector shields for TOS/TMP, and multi vector and regenerative shields for TNG/Ds9. I'm also toying with Borg ships actually adapting to weapons like they do in the show, with each race and weapon type being adapted more/less depending on how advanced the species is.

@travisaugustine7264

Ай бұрын

I didn't like how the Ent. B's shields were homogeneous because it seems unrealistic because you couldn't overwhelm any one shield. Sure let the overwhelmed shield recover fairly quickly by transfering power from the other 5 shields, but it should be possible to overwhelm any one shield briefly (which we saw in the TNG Excelsior) before the power transfer can help that shield recover.

@adamlee2111

Ай бұрын

@@travisaugustine7264 It's a work in progress, I'm tying to give each era a different feel/experience. Otherwise a ship from the mid 23rd century plays much the same as a ship from the 2370's, just with different weapon effects: bubble shields, 6 vectors etc.. The homogeneous shields will likely be scrapped though, when I come up with something more suitable

Imo they should not be so close in power...

@adamlee2111

Ай бұрын

Agreed, I haven't balanced the 23rd century ships properly yet

Sorry.. .there's no way the ENT-B would be able to go toe to toe with an Excelsior class from DS9 era (even the one prior to the upgrades the Lakota got). The tech difference is WAY too large... the ENT-B would have lost badly.

@adamlee2111

28 күн бұрын

Agreed, I thought the Ent B had been balanced when I recorded this, turns out it hadn’t. It’s much weaker now