The Disco rework could work if they were a sect that attempted to reverse the Augment plague and it pushed too far and made them more beastly. They could decry the other Klingon as being remade as humans, tying into their motto, "Remain Klingon ".

@groglorb8980

2 жыл бұрын

That would have been a great explanation.

@Sephiroth144

2 жыл бұрын

A sect that did it intentionally, or one that was tested on... Either way, I'mma take this explanation and run with it.

@DrewLSsix

2 жыл бұрын

Or it's just a production redesign....

@DMSProduktions

2 жыл бұрын

That HAS been postulated elsewhere previously!

@DMSProduktions

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrewLSsix Implied they have ALWAYS looked 'that' way to the characters' eyes!

I don’t know if anyone else has posted this in the comments but in Star Trek Enterprise they actually explained why there were “Ridgless” Klingons. As in the episode "Trials and Tribble-ations"from Star Trek deep space nine, when they questioned Worf why the Klingons from TOS looked they way they did in comparison to him he looked offended and simply said that was something they didn’t discuss.

@Boxfortress

2 жыл бұрын

There's also the story arc in Enterprise where the Klingons were experimenting with Human Ugenics tech and many mutated to look more human.

@DrewLSsix

2 жыл бұрын

@@Boxfortress that's what he's talking about....

@Boxfortress

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrewLSsix oops missed that somehow only picked up on the ds9 bit

@vic5015

2 жыл бұрын

It was honestly better left unexplained.

@willmfrank

2 жыл бұрын

@@vic5015 Worf could simply have said, "Ethnic diversity."

The reason they finally switched out Kor's sash for Worf's silver one: they realized (as it was painted gold in the 1960s), that it was in fact lead based paint he had been wearing next to his skin/spandex suit, and sweating against every day.

@DMSProduktions

2 жыл бұрын

OUCH! Good call:OH&S!

The extra organs are for redundancy. It's a strength not a weakness.

@tetravega567

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it was mentioned definitely in TNG, and maybe DS9.

@CraigUntlNytTym

Жыл бұрын

Then the need for the extra protection?

Klingons have more organs because they're supposed to be redundant organs, not extra organs to survive. So the point that they need more armor is absolutely ridiculous because they've literally evolved to where they don't NEED that much armor.

@DarkYuy

2 жыл бұрын

Fucking Kurtzman and his crew really need to actually watch TNG and DS9. It's stated several times that Klingons have redundant, extra and more robust organs like their third lung and eight chambered heart all things that would make them tougher warriors.

@Primalxbeast

2 жыл бұрын

@@DarkYuy I just don't consider anything past Enterprise to be canon. The other shows are just a money grap to attract non-Trekkers.

@DarkYuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Primalxbeast I don't even consider enterprise canon.

@foegettergames252

2 жыл бұрын

@@DarkYuy tldr; Enterprise is extremely canon because it's what establishes the difference between the Prime and Kelvin timeline. Archer's actions save Romulus = Prime Timeline Archer's actions doom Romukus = Kelvin Timeline.

@DarkYuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@foegettergames252 how the hell does archer save or doom Romulus. I found enterprise to be pretty terrible the only good thing about it was the cast.

Really enjoyed this! I definitely think the Cardassians or Bajorans would be good for the next videos.

Kahless, killing his brother and then forming an empire, sounds more like Roman mythology that Christianity.

@smittysmeee

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, if you read the Christian Bible (or the Jewish Torah) Cain and Abel were brothers born to Adam and Eve after they were cast from Eden and were the first murderer and first victim respectively. Cain became jealous when God favored Abel's sacrifice more than his and killed him. That's where the famous quote, "Am I my brother's keeper?" comes from. (Btw, the answer is supposed to be Yes, we are our brothers' keepers). It's in Genesis chapter 4. Not very Christ-like, but it is what Christ died for. The more you know! 🌈

@chadiverson3796

Жыл бұрын

That IS taken straight from Romulus and Renus, mythical founders of Rome...

Worf having Kor's sash from TOS is now my new headcanon

#6. Her name is Heather Langenkamp. Nancy Thompson was the character’s name in ‘Nightmare on Elm Street.’

@sean.ferrick

2 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU!!! I completely blanked on her name while I was recording, I felt terrible!!

@MAMoreno

2 жыл бұрын

If New Nightmare taught us anything, it's that Heather is Nancy. ;)

@sean.ferrick

2 жыл бұрын

@@MAMoreno oh hell yes! I actually really like that film - its my second nightmare film, saw it just after the original :)

I never taught that ears would be expensive but it makes sense considering someone needs to sculpt them one by one for every actor.

The TOS Klingons looked like 1950's jazz musicians whose day job was working in coal mines. TNG Klingons weren't universally loved by fans either. They looked like they had cranial bone cancer. I think the writing and the actor, Michael Dorn, made the new Klingons popular. I don't hate the Discovery iteration but I prefer the TNG, DS9 versions. Mostly because how they were written.

@1978rharris

2 жыл бұрын

It’s Klingons, mate. It’s been Klingons since last century. Dunno who these Klinglons are

@waynemarvin5661

2 жыл бұрын

Kling-lons?

@DMSProduktions

2 жыл бұрын

@@1978rharris WHAT do the USS Enterprise & Toilet paper have in common?

I always thought that the Discovery Klingons were essentially just a different ethnicity, in the same way that on Earth we have Caucasian, African, Asian etc but are all still human.

@garyhall2770

2 жыл бұрын

I thought that humans, Vulcans, Romulans, Cardashians, and Klingons all came from the same humanoid species.

@ryanharper7273

2 жыл бұрын

@@garyhall2770 they do. But like I said here on Earth we have different ethnicities but are all still human. It makes more sense than having a single race across an entire planet.

@KikoNYC

2 жыл бұрын

You sir, make a really good point!

As Discworld Dwarves say... "Today is a good day for someone else to die..."

I always thought Kahless was based on King Arthur…the prophecy about his return is almost exactly the same as Arthur - his whole story lines up more with Arthurian legend than Jesus.

@brandonfofrizzle9170

2 жыл бұрын

And King Arthur's 'I'll be back' is a direct reference to Jesus

Kahless seems to have more in common with King Arthur.

@SevCaswell

2 жыл бұрын

King Arthur is also a Jesus clone.

In fairness, TOS Klingons weren't consistently portrayed in dark face. The ones in Trouble with Tribbles weren't, especially Koloth. He was as white as they come.

Would be super cool to see a video on Andorians! Perhaps even on some material on their people from the post nemesis novels. I learned a great deal from those books!

This video was fascinating. I'd love to see an in-depth look at the Trill. Exploring the differences between life aboard Starfleet starbases vs ships would be cool.

@mrgreatbigmoose

2 жыл бұрын

Then deep dive into reconciling the first Trill onscreen (Odan) with later ones (Dax)

Interesting thing to note: Worf is wearing his sash on the opposite shoulder from Kor. Watch the video and you'll note Kor has it on his left shoulder. Worf wears it on his right shoulder.

@mrgreatbigmoose

2 жыл бұрын

So it didn't cover his communicator?

@Raja1938

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrgreatbigmoose Must be. It would look odd with Worf being the only one to wear a comm badge on his right breast.

@DMSProduktions

2 жыл бұрын

@@Raja1938 Could be a caste thing as well!

I always thought it quite odd that Worf was wearing the same sash that was worn by Kor from TOS.

@tomf3150

2 жыл бұрын

Remember DS9, the episode about Kahless sword ? Worf fangirling about Kor, Kirk and the Organians ?

@johnbockelie3899

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomf3150 " Orgainia, where Kor fought with Kirk !!!". Worf elaborates history.

@Raja1938

2 жыл бұрын

I had my doubts since Worf wore it over a different shoulder than Kor did. Guess they just flipped the sash front to back or top to bottom.

@foegettergames252

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly assumed it was an unspoken ¥Klingon honor thing"

I remember the first time I saw Worf all I could think was "what is that supposed to be". Young kid who saw TOS Klingons in syndication, but not old enough to have seen any of the movies and home video wasn't an option at the time.

i loved the ST: Into Darkness Klingons. Bummed we haven't seen more of that.

Me seeing this posted 50 minutes ago and adding it to my star wars/star trek playlist:"Ahh this will make a fine addition to my collection" *cough* *cough* ...sorry ..spicy noodles....

@Revan2908

2 жыл бұрын

You're my hero, Grunt.

Missed watching your videos my darling Seán!! You're a genius

@sean.ferrick

2 жыл бұрын

You are!

Love this video - would love to see one on the Andorians or the Cardassians :D (or both ;) )

This one is in my top five favorite TrekCulture videos!

Absolutely smashed it again! This was a great episode!

Would love to see a similar video about the Romulans

The Breen or the Hirojan, they were cool 😎

Great video!

Absolutely fantastic vid

Also, am I the only one who wonders WHO punished Kortar for slaying the Klingon Gods- if you killed the gods, who was around to saddle him with the Ferryman job?

@Tripserpentine

2 жыл бұрын

Honor .

@Sephiroth144

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tripserpentine Why would he (or any Klingon, really) feel slaying those troublesome deities was dishonorable?

@Tripserpentine

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sephiroth144 he stayed on the job for honor, bringing the honored death to sto vo kor.

@gildedbear5355

2 жыл бұрын

saw your comment and my brain started to ponder. They killed ALL of the Klingon gods, including the one who ferried the souls. This caused the souls of the dishonored dead to rise up and fight the honored dead in an attempt to enter Sto-vo-kor. Once they were defeated Kortar was condemned/compelled (by honor and the residents of Sto-vo-kor) to captain the barge of the dead as he was the one to allow the dishonored the chance to try to take Sto-vo-kor.

That was some great info. I'm definitely all for seeing more themed vids like this.

The Klingon redesign was completely unnecessary IMO. They don’t need to be better predators. We are good predators and no sci-fi show redesigns us with Python ridges or more nostrils or whatever.

@foegettergames252

2 жыл бұрын

Kurtz says the Ferengi evolved their entire facial structures in 1000 years so he may be so stupid as to add four-armed humans in Discovery and claim it as evolution

@darrengriffin8609

2 жыл бұрын

I love the klingon redesign and the predatory idea was genius and makes perfect evolutionary sense. IMO.

@darrengriffin8609

2 жыл бұрын

@@foegettergames252 er OK .

@L1z43vr

Жыл бұрын

@@foegettergames252 Dude. Warp 10 salamanders were considered to be the next evolutionary step in Voyager. Anything’s possible.

Is it bad that if I see a TrekCulture video that's NOT Sean, I don't really pay attention? I'm not a fan of the entire staff. But Sean always makes it interesting!

More like this, please! I love behind the scenes production stuff.

I missed this video when it aired originally somehow, but I not only love the video (Sean content is the best content on the interwebs) but I absolutely love this kind of content. More of this please.

New Klingons speak in marblemothball

Great video and actually appreciate the insight into the Discovery Klingons, I like the logical reasoning behind the head sensory organs and the bulky armor, makes me want to watch it more, actually.

Awesome video as always :D if I could pick a race to be featured, I would go with the Andorians (I loved them in ST:Enterprise :D )

Captain, their's Blingons on the starboard bow!

Love it! I am a huge Klingon fan

Yes please, more like this!

John Calicos was a great Klingon! (And the Disgracery redesign is silly.)

I love the Kelvin Klingons. They are so cool and scary.

I almost nerdgasmed while watching this but paused at the right moment to regain my composure.

Adam & Eve "I learned to make fiction from the Lie Berry."

(Starts thumping desk rhythmically)

8:50 I wasn't able to watch Discovery and the other later Trek shows, as I couldn't get passed the way the Klingons looked. I suppose I was so used to them a different way, that it didn't look right, like this.

Klingons? "Don't believe them! Don't trust them!"

#2 is now officially my new most favorite ST Fact! Alll hail the first Klingon!

Those original sashes were mot burlap they were a synthetic placemat material. Growing up in the 60's we actually had those placemats!

Oooo! Loved this episode! Do Trills or Betazoids next!

I have a copy of Elm Street on VHS that I had signed by Langenkamp, Saxon and Englund :) Coolest thing I own.

Great episode of Boston Legal where Denny and Alan are at Nemo Bay. Alan talks about a fish that clings to other fish and Denny espoused, Klingons?

fascinating!

Blingons......I find that hilarious.

8:08 Couldn't help wondering what the dog thought about the strange looking person shaking his paw.🙂 As far as I was concerned there was no need to explain away the Klingon alterations from the TOS to ST:TMP.

@Rattrap007

2 жыл бұрын

I too laughed at the dog's expression. It is weirded out for sure.

Ferengi please!

What about a video about the Andorians and the Aenar?

Kor has the best grin

Post design reasons, that's what it is. A that point, why aren't the humans different ? The usual klingons were already fierce predators.

@OhNoTheFace

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, change for change's sake sadly

Ok, when are we getting a stand alone Klingon Show?

00:27 🤣🤣🤣 DOLLAR BILL$!!!

The Discovery season 1 Klingons are... Strange beyond reason. It's an alteration to a visual style that has been around for decades... There really was no reason to re-deaign an entire species. Especially once so iconic, and especially in such a drastic way. As much as I dislike JJ Abrams, and his constant visual failures.... I for once feel his redesign, was much more in line with the decades of history. This said, I do quite adore the Klingon clothing in Discovery, long as one thinks of it only as a ceremonial set, and not their normal garb.

2:27 That part reminds me of mythos of Romulus and Remus.

Do more! Do the Borg next!!!

Anytime I see TOS Klingons, the Foreigner song, Dirty White Boy pops into my head

ROMULANS!!! Or Trill... my 2 fav Trek aliens.

11:00 Is this image from the video "Don't Pay the Ferryman" by Chris DeBurgh?

During the Klingon civil war or Worf's age of ascension ceremony using those pain sticks made Worf feel pain on the holodeck. When Worf underwent surgery for his spine.

Do the Andorians!

I would like to play a Klingon sometime it would be interesting for sure.

i think we all agree that a borg video like this would be nice .

I'd like one about my favorite race, the Gorn!

10:54 Adam and Eve? I though it would have been Lucifer....or Zeus for rebelling against the Cronus Titans

@markhoffart622

2 жыл бұрын

There do seem to be better stories that fit. Is it possible that someone said "To həll with it, I'm gonna write my own story/creation narrative" and we are just seeing our own parallels in it?

@Adam_Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

@@markhoffart622 You basically just described Christianity. All they did is write their own mythology but based it on other religion before it.

wait a minute, go back to the part you said IT'S THE SAME SASH!?!?!?😱😱😱

Worf said it was an embarrassing secret for why the Klingons kept changing thier appearance.

My Mother described my little sister as a Klingon because my sister was always hanging onto my Mom for the first , oh 6 years of her life.

I may have missed it, but what happened to the original burlap sash?

I agree with DC Fontana. Romulans would have been a better enemy race. TOS used the Klingons well enough, but TNG and subsequent Treks went too often to the Klingon well to point that a I knew a Worf/Klingon centric episode would be boring because the Klingons are a one-note race. It's honor this and honor that. Ugh.

@markhoffart622

2 жыл бұрын

That's true in more ways than you realize... Klingons are a one note (dollar) race where the Romulans are a many note race. An you must honor the dollar!

I love the idea that Jesus was Low born. In reality, his father was a carpenter, back then, that would have meant they were comfortable, maybe not rich, but certainly well off by the standards of the day

Didn't Roddenberry once say not to cover the eyes with makeup?

Klingons!!! Woo Hoo!!! 🖖

The Klingons a warrior race, the Klingon Defense Forces & ships. It was all about fighting & dying for honor or dishonor. The Bird of Prey vessel or K,Tinga battle cruiser or Vor, cha attack cruiser. Besides the Romulans or Cardassians or Ferengi, Bajorans or Vulcans.

Definitely Cardassians for the next one please

The TOS Klingons may have been based on racial stereotypes, but they will always be my favorites.

Kahless the unforgettable? Who's that? I've forgot

The klingons in season one weren't ceremonially bald. That's a retcon after backlash.

@replimatreviews

2 жыл бұрын

One that ignores all evidence to the contrary. Flashbacks with bald Klingons, and let's not forget all the other wars the Klingons have been in where they weren't bald. A terrible attempt at changing course and making an excuse for bad production decisions.

Blingons lmao!

Kaaplah!!!!

Star Trek needs to listen to their fanbase and give us what we actually want.

@Adam_Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

And what do ..WE.. want?

@JeremyWS

2 жыл бұрын

@@Adam_Outdoors :: idk about you, but I want Star Trek Discovery and Picard reruns on cable and satellite. I think that would help.

@Adam_Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

@@JeremyWS Why? That's like expecting Netflix to "re-run" their own creations on cable/satellite, it makes no sense to at this moment in time. You can get them on-demand on the creator own network. We can watch them any time we like, why wait for them to air on cable/sat? lol

Can u do the Cardassians plz and not the Kardasshians

Kahless isn’t like Jesus, he’s like the Master Chief.

The discovery Klingons should never have happened and anyone involved in their creation and utilization should never be allowed to work on Star Trek again. Other than that, loved the video!

Evil pigeon T'Kuvma is No.1.

#6: Did you forget that the actress’ name is Heather Langenkamp? Yet, you only refer to her as Nancy, her character name in Nightmare on Elm Street.

ST:D's Klingorks

9: Kahless is Viking Jesus

Those new Klingons looks to much like the Orcs like in the Lord of the Rings!