Very thorough job, Sam. Hard to imagine putting together a more similar trio of guns and rounds than this for a comparison. 👍🏻👍🏻

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I hope to do more with better results with all. Makes me think, I do have .380 Win Silvertip and did see a standard pressure Win Silvertip .38 Special and 9mm. Oldschool but the lead alloy in that bullet is soft, so all would expand.

@JoseTorres-uw7md

3 жыл бұрын

Im more than Happy with my glock 42 with my 8 round magazines for conceal carry 😊

@dukefanshawe6815

3 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam did you ever get around to that?

Great video man. Love your production, is honest and unpretentious yet accurate and informative. I appreciate it.

I have all three and I'm equally happy with all of them for different reasons. Outstanding video. Interesting and informative.

Excellent video Sam! I appreciate all the hard work you put in to show us real life stats on our arms! Keep doing what you’re doing bro

Man your channel always delivers !

Very very informative! Really appreciate you doing this video.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Great video, thank you. 38 special and 9mm fan. Never tried a 380. It's more gun than I realized.

Thank you! I always look forward to your videos.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Thank you Sam. I happen to be carrying .380 today. Good shooting!

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you and thanks for watching!

Great video, thanks! Why did I not see this sooner?! ;) Very helpful observations about the power vs. "comfort" and controllability of the pistols.

I really enjoy the way you are doing these testing … awesome…thank you for your time.

Another outstanding video presentation. Very informative and practical. Thanks for putting in all the time and effort, cant be easy.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Yeah sometimes it becomes difficult. I have a smooth routine and rarely miss any steps now days, but it's still a pain some days as it's cold and takes a good 1,000 calories to do one of these by the time it's done!

Very fair comparison Sam! Glad to see another video awesome job! Merry Christmas to you and your family!👍👍

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I plan some more unique content soon, it will be fun!

Thanks for sharing your unbiased reviews and keep them coming please.

The 380 is a nice little cartridge. Sure, it will never (probably) meet FBI protocol requirements. But it's a good choice for a lot of people, and it is accurate in the 380s I own. I had no idea Speer loaded a standard pressure 38 Spl with Gold Dot bullets. Learned something new there. Although I think I would stick with their 135gr +P short barrel setup.

Have a Merry Christmas Sam, thanks for your videos.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Merry Christmas.

Good comparison! What I was looking for.

Always like the standard pressure videos. Thanks and Merry Christmas👍!

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Merry Christmas. I do plan a series on standard pressure .38 Special in the near future.

@patrickrossetti5685

4 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam 👍👍👍!!!

Wonderful comparison test - thank you for this video and all the time and effort you put into it I have subscribed and look forward to watching more of your content 👍

Thanks for another informative video Sam.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, thanks for watching!

Really liked this one. I own all three types, the only one that didn’t have to go back to the manufacturer for several replacement parts right out of the gate was the snub. The ruger lcp 2 was sent back twice, the p365 once with several new parts and polishing etc. they’re fine now, but obviously manufacturers have some issues, based on what others have experienced as well, with these.

Great presentation, thanks.

Thank you for another great video. 😁👍

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

I am really enjoying these vids & tests. Interesting results. I am an older large framed guy, therefore, I am inclined to carry larger firearms. Back in the 1990s I carried 4" & 6" 357 mags(S&W + Ruger)(old school). I still carry full size or nearly full size 40 cal. Or 10mm most of the time. But these results make me consider a smaller 9mm with quality loads. In the woods, no smaller than 40, but in town maybe a 9mm Shield in summer. My pocket gun has been a Shield 45 since it came out.

Among these options, I definitely prefer the 380. LCP and Gold Dots,-that combo has been in my rotation for years.

Good comparison and definitely backs up Speer’s claim of good expansion at 850 fps when comparing the .38 Special and .380. Would likely get really good expansion with the .38 Special out of a 3” barrel.

Nice work, thanks. I pocket carry an m and p bodyguard .380 with federal hst. Magguts +1 giving me 7+1, pinky extension. Its been 100% reliable and I can go through 300-400 rounds in a single range visit and could still go for more. I've tried iwb carrying a 9mm but I just find it too uncomfortable to want to carry on a consistent basis. I look at it this way: the odds of my needing my gun are next to zero. The odds of my needing to carry are 100%. So better to have my bodyguard on me all the time, even in the house.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

I feel the same way. 100% chance of carrying, so I optimize my comfort over firepowder, but then make the most out of the gun I carry by actually training with it often.

Excellent video on what I would consider the type of subcompact firearms used by a majority of people... I have many carry guns but a majority of the time especially when wearing light clothing it is either a LCP,, a Smith & Wesson 637 airweight,, or a Ruger LC9.... the LC9 is what I carry the most

Again, very good info Sam and I agree w/your choice of the LCP b/c it’s easier to control, carry & holds more payload w/the extended mag.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Happy holidays sam . Look forward to all your videos.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great job. Something I would love to see please,is a video comparing .38 Special 158 gr wadcutter, standard pressure158 gr semi wadcutter, standard pressure, fmj 158 gr, 130 gr, both standard pressure, and Hornady Critical Defence, both standard and + p, out of a J frame.

I own all 3. Hellcat Taurus357. Lcp. I can honestly say the Taurus with 38sp is a great daily. The hellcat is my home defense and the 380 is my special outing gun. It's so tiny

Great test, Merry Christmas, Sam.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Merry Christmas.

Nice video, thank you for sharing !!

Nice video Sam, I will carry and stay with the trouble free revolver. Merry Christmas to you and your family 🙏

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Merry Christmas.

Sam, I just seen this video, well done. I was really impressed with the DB 9, looks like a nice carry piece.

@usernamesrlamo

Жыл бұрын

It’s tiny and kicks like an elephant. Wouldn’t want to try to be quick AND accurate with it beyond a few paces. It might have a spot for deep concealment, but I’d almost always pick a different option.

Have a very merry Christmas sam and family...357 rules lol..great video.. God bless

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Merry Christmas.

Great video.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Fantastic idea for a video. The "industry standard" HD load in common carry size guns.

This is another video I missed last year. I didn’t like those first 2 expansion photos, they look like the minimum expansion. The .380 and .38spl didn’t look like the jacket folded back. The 9mm 124gr in the most popular ammo brands is going to be a pretty good round. 115gr usually do ok too, but if you go 147gr , or less than 115gr like boutique bullet from Civil Denfense that 90gr you have see a lot of expansion issues. At least that’s how I’ve been seeing. Thanks again for the good content, I will try to not miss another one, I am subscribed and notified so I guess I just overlooked you. Have a great day.

I love my Ruger SP101 .327 magnum with a 3" barrel. Built like a tank and has many ammo options from as weak as a .22 to as powerful as a .357 mag. Mele Kalikimaka!

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

I wish I had that! The gun that the cartridge was built around!

@robertkubrick3738

4 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam You mean .357 magnum? That's the round the SP101 was built around. Later came .327 magnum. I think I would prefer .327 if ammo were more available.

I own one of each except what I shoot .38 special through is actually a .357. So, my 380 is a Sig Sauer P238 HD2, shoots smooth, predictable & accurate. It has a 2.7" barrel. My .357/.38 is a Charter Arms Mag Pug. Lower recoil than one might expect with the ported barrel & large grip. Center mass grouping no problem. It has a 2.2" barrel. My 9mm is a Springfield XD9-TACTICAL. (My favorite & my guard officer duty gun)That one is like Heaven too shoot. Wicked accurate, very low recoil & over 1000 rounds fired through it of many different kinds of ammo with zero issues or malfunctions. It has a 5" barrel. Mostly, I just wanted to share my pistol collection with you all & thank Sam for his detailed, informative & entertaining reviews. Stay safe, keep shooting!

Awesome video

IMO Speer Gold Dot is Top Shelf no matter the caliber. Control vs Power, I personally would not want to get in the way of any of these rounds. Great video and Merry Christmas!

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Merry Christmas. They have something in all calibers that work but I have found some variations that don't work well in some guns. Like their 158 gr .357 Mag will not expand at any handgun velocities. But most are really good handgun rounds.

Great video as usual. This as well as other videos I have been watching confirms my belief that there's not enough difference in performance from the 2 inch barrels between 38 and 380 to make it worth carrying a 38 special.

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

Well, it depends on what you want to do. There can be a huge difference in power. Typical ammo has the .38 Special standard pressure in the same ballpark as .380 ammo for energy, but if you go really hot...the hottest ammo I ever fired in this .380 was about 250 ft lbs energy. The hottest .38 Special ammo in a 2" barrel was about 400 ft lbs energy.

@davidg8431

3 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam I picked up a 642 here recently because of concern with this no ammo again I wanted another caliber. Finding 38 isn't any easier.

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidg8431 I don't know if you order online at all, but there's places where there is ammo in .38 Special. Ammoseek shows some, and also Buffalo Bore's site has a few choices.

@davidg8431

3 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam thank you, I will check them out.

Nice, relevant comparison. I have not heard very much that is good about Diamondbacks. Fortunately, i have a couple of good compact 9mm's and several snubbies. I still can't get behind 380. If it works for people, great. Far better to be armed and capable than not. Gold Dot is great in virtually everything, abd the standard pressure 124's are a fine load. That is mostly what i carried in my Kahr P9 off duty when i was still in LE. Didn't see much need for +p. Great work on your tests.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. The one thing with .380 ACP I have noticed personally is that i'm more accurate with it in the LCP than even my 4" Ruger Security 9 or 3.25" Taurus G2C 9mm. It just seems to shoot flat at any range and there's no snappiness.

I would like to see the same test with the Hornady critical defense but with the non + p, as always a very helpful video 👍

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

I have tested them in .38 Special and 9mm in the Jug or Not but in different videos. I have tested the .380 Version but a really long time ago not in the Jug or Not.

Great information.....that Diamondback is in no way comparable to my Smith CS9 3" 9mm ! In some cases the gun will make a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Density comparison of your tissue simulants to human tissues. Tissue simulants: • Bologna -- 0.85 g/mL • Medium density fiberboard -- 0.50 g/mL • High density polyethylene (milk jugs) -- 0.94 g/mL • Water -- 1.00 g/mL. Human tissues: • Blood -- 1.04 g/mL • Bone -- 1.75 g/mL • Fat -- 0.91 g/mL • Muscle -- 1.06 g/mL • Body as a whole -- 1.01 g/mL. In comparison, 10% ballistic gelatin densities are: • porcine gel -- 1.03 g/mL • clear synthetic gel -- 0.79 g/mL. Penetration results from clear gel must be converted to results in the standard porcine gel by applying a caliber/handgun-specific reduction factor, which I've yet to see any KZreadr do. This is undoubtedly due to needing to shoot through both media to derive this factor, which would be financially prohibitive for most amateur terminal ballisticians. A rough conversion is likely: PG ≈ 0.8 × CG where PG and CG are bullet penetrations in porcine and clear gel, respectively. To which type of gel are you converting your Jug or Not Box results to? They seem to be overestimates to me, so I'm guessing clear gel. How does medium density fiberboard, which is a fraction of the density of human bone, reasonably simulate a sternum? Bologna seems a weak simulant of muscle (even a fat-laden muscle), but then the thickness is far more than a typical pectoral muscle.

Thanks! It has been a long time since I have seen a standard pressure, short barrel load test of the Gold Dots. The nine mm was impressive even in a non +P short barrel load!...………………………...elsullo

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Their 9mm loads are some of their best loads. The .45's I have tested have been good too, but some of their revolver loads are hit or miss.

Nice job on the video, a lot of people think barrel length doesn't make a difference or ammo but when it comes in my 380 it's a short barrel and I'm very particular about the ammo I use. Most of the time they're testing out of four or five inch barrels and here I and most people carrying 380 are shooting it out of a 3 inch barrel and losing 20% of the ballistics, which makes all the difference if you're wanting your hollow points to expand. I'm getting almost the same ballistics out of my 380 out of a Kimber micro using Second Amendment ammunition JHP as you're getting out of that 9 mm with the short barrel. When it comes to the 380 I'm really particular. I think Hornady makes a decent cartridge but I wouldn't care to use it to defend myself with 380. However the Second Amendment ammo they test their 380 out of a short barrel at 1050 FPS . Buffalo Bore makes some pretty good ammo too Lehigh defense but you just really need to know what you're going to be using for carry and kind of ballistic you're getting out of what ammo and firearm. When you're shooting at lower power gun. 9 mm maybe it's not as important but if I was shooting a real short barrel 9 mm I would even care about that.

very good comparison video. and i like the jug or not set up its cool

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I have debated gel use as a 6"×6" block would fit great! But it would have to be sparingly as I test a lot of ammo.

@scottmorgan1016

4 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam i like the water jug test i might try something like it myself. I watched Alaskan ballistics make some gel but the water and bologna works better for me. keep up the good works

@jalan8171

3 жыл бұрын

For those determined to safely perform bullet expansion testing, your methodology of using standard plastic gallon size water jugs is the easiest to set up for enthusiasts. The plastic is virtually uniform in thickness across nations. H2O makes for one of the most uniform test mediums as well. The positioning of yourself , the test box and test mediums (denim, bologna and bottles) minimizes risk of ricochet. Have to ask- Ever been tempted to taste the bologna that remains after a test, say that which is intact @ an inch from the impact 'zone' ? Not that I would want you to risk lead/ particulate poisoning, I just do not like to see decent bologna go to waste.

Merry Christmas to all!

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

And to all a good night!

@JohnDoe-vq8bg

4 жыл бұрын

I still prefer the 38! Hope 2020 is the year Gun Sam hits 1 million subs!

For these tests you should get a more commonly used short barrel 9mm quality handgun with a decent trigger. Glock 43, M&P Shield, Sig P365, Springfield Hellcat.

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

who are you to suggest someone you don't know spend hundreds of dollars?

@krashdude1

3 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Oops sorry. Your videos are good and informational and you spend a lot of time and energy producing them. Carry on.

Got a .38 cci blazer aluminum cased cheap jhp from ur 2" 605 request, federal 125 gr sjhp from both short and long barrels, and also 185 plus p golden saber .45. . Thanks happy holidays

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I will see what I can do.

Great comparison!, Merry Chris†mas Sam, & Safe Shoot'n all!

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Merry Christmas EG!

How does the Ruger LC380 reliability? I had a lot of problems with the LC9 when it came out.

The naa guardian in 32 acp (small frame) might be interesting to look at. Small, relatively heavy, no manual safety, fixed barrel and DAO. Especially when you compare it to other small handguns (e.g. naa mini revolvers or 380s).

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

It might be interesting to test .32 ACP. If I were to do that i'd probably get a Keltec P32 as the price is right and I wouldn't really carry it, but would represent other pistols of similar barrel length.

@mrd7067

4 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam I`m not sure if it would be that representative because of the weight. Another thing that just came into my mind is you could test your meat targets by pushing the revolver into it and then pulling the trigger (a contact shot). Clint Smith of thunder ranch mentioned that this makes the woundchannel more dynamic.

Could I run factory loaded +P ammunition through my S&w model 60? I will not be running it through my gun as it is extremely expensive but I would like to carry it for defense.

Be nice to see what a 9mm snub nose revolver velocity would be compared to the semi auto

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

That's probably my number 1 request. That means when I pick up a new gun that is probably what I will get.

@wastool

4 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam 9mm LCR seems solid as does the SP101. If you want to pick one up for testing let us know how much they're running. Maybe we can help out.

@buckshot4428

4 жыл бұрын

Back when S & W & Ruger came out with 9mm snubs Widley Clapp tested both with 3" barrels. One load in particular that stood out was the Corbon +P 115 gr. which clocked @ 1247 fps.

@portia_4285

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Harrell has in fact already tested the Ruger LCR 9mm and compared it to similar 38. snubnoses.

@filianablanxart8305

4 жыл бұрын

When my latest chrono arrives , I'll run a few things thru the S&W 940 .

I either carry a S&W 442 or a S&W P.C.Shield 9mm......I am learning a lot from you. Thanks and Merry Christmas

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, Merry Christmas!

Nice

I'm still riding with the 38 🔥

@DeeMoney-rj4rj

3 жыл бұрын

@Dem 1 it’s all about preference

@crunch9876

3 жыл бұрын

@Dem 1 let’s me real. Your never gonna use your gun in self defense and if you do even a .22 will be enough. Shooting is more about being a hobby and for hunting. And the .0001 percent chance of a tyranny or .001 percent chance of self defense

@malva9092

3 жыл бұрын

@@crunch9876 not for minorities or people in other countries, some of us don't have your rights and honestly it's not .001 LOL

@angeljosemaradiaga7747

2 жыл бұрын

@@crunch9876 yea bubba you referring to maybe your life but that .001 is literal bs me and a whole lot of people on this sides of town have had more than 1 instance where a gun could've been needed but thank God it didn't get to that always use the voice god gave u to deescalate the problem

Sam. thank you for the standard tests. Sis just got her ccw in Md. Took some thing for her to shoot and rented others. long story short. she is 65 with limited hand strength. Has shot some but not much. Great shot with her 686+ with a 5" barrel. However i don't think she was really comfortable with anything we shot. 365,ez380,ez9 and 43x. To me it appears that they all. were handfuls that took her to her comfort levels and abilities. I was supprised how much the 380ez recoiled. I've always thought they should offer it in a heavier frame.Maybe their new metal pistol they came out with. Watching her shoot these weapons makes me curious about a LCR in 327. Shooting the 32mag?? or 22 mag. Many female reviewers tend to be younger and or sponsored. Where is mom or grandma in the 60-70 year old range? I'm a big guy with hands that make a beer bottle look small. I've become very aware of how small some peoples hands are and how sensitive new shooters can be to recoil.I would be very thankful for thoughts or recomendations on weapons and/or loads for my sis that has poor hand strength.

Is the diamondback a reliable gun I’ve seen a friends and it looked so cheap and bad

Have you ever tested your theory on jug to gel depths?

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

I don't have to as I have watched countless other videos with 10% and 20% gel with common rounds in same barrel length that I test. It's been pretty consistent that the rounds that stop out back of jug 2 always stop average about 11" to 12" in gel depending on the gel, and back of 3rd jug is always 14" to 17" depending on the gel. I feel confident with the numbers, but even if I wasn't the rounds that have passed all FBI and IWBA testing almost always stop with denting out the back of jug 3, so it's a good point of comparison.

My fav Cary guns .38 s&w 637 and my Ruger lcp 1 .380 in Grey camo

I would love to see this comparison with the Taurus M380 revolver for the 380acp round. Not much data on that revolver and how it compares to a normal autoloader pocket 380.

I carry the 380 as a summer/shorts/pocket pistol. I dump it in a pocket and run! I love it

Thanks for the work! Maybe mention fully-loaded weight of each gun in comparisons.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I don't have a great scale and the ammo bullet weight makes it change depending on the ammo, but I can tell you now that roughly the weights are: the revolver and the .380 fully loaded are about 13 oz and the 9mm fully loaded is about 16 oz.

@exothermal.sprocket

4 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Thanks for that info.

Most bitch about 380acp but I like the round .. Will be buying a Grand Power LP380 or P380 in the near future

I like accuracy, just makes it easier for good shot placement, so I like the smaller calibers like the .380 and the 38 special that has moderate recoil but very manageable. Now if I were in the outback I would carry something more powerful for bears and lions.

The .38 Spl would have been practically the same as the 9mm if it was +P

have you ever tried the Hornady flex tips?

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I have tested many Critical Defense and Critical Duty variations of ammo. As a whole they do pretty well.

I use 3 inch .38 +p110 grain jhp works great from a 619

Well done. The penetration seems to be there for all 3 rounds.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. It's almost like they designed them the way there are. Like if they expanded more the penetration wouldn't be right.

@angeljosemaradiaga7747

3 жыл бұрын

Your profile pic was the day the 38 special proved itself

I carry the LCP most often because it's just so easy to do. However...I hate shooting the darn thing. Looks like you have an extended magazine on yours which would probably help, though.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

I have an extended mag, but I really haven't noticed a big difference between that and the standard mag as the standard one has a big lip on the bottom to create the same effect.

I think all cartridges down a great job but I rather stick with 9 mm it has more everything and it's compact

As always great 👍 review....even the 380 is really gonna ruin someones day.....but it is August 5th so how the hell can you stand to still have that parka and beanie on???????? Aren't you sweating??????

@jalan8171

3 жыл бұрын

Date on the video is Dec. 24, 2019. One year ago from this day I have viewed it.

I would love to see, 9mm vs 45, 357 vs 45, 357 vs 10mm, and 185 +p 45 vs 230 grain. I also think it would be interesting to see what a .223 does to the bologna pack in the jug or not box. I look forward to all of your videos. Even when I don't have a particular interest in a load your testing your videos or always well made and entertaining.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

I have debated getting a 10mm barrel and 10mm G20 Mag and 20 lb spring for my Glock 41 in .45 ACP. Whole setup is only $200 and might make for some great content!

@wastool

4 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam It is the best millimeter.

ruger sp101 2.25 357 magnum 158gr. lswchp or lswc at 800fps to 950fps.

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's pretty low if it's magnum ammo, but often lead ammo is loaded weaker. An average 158 gr JHP is more like 1,100 FPS in a snub.

I love when guys make fun of 380s but carry a 38 special with ho hum loads..........

Hell no the third jug would be gross over penetration

No issues with Gold Dots

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Overall I think Speer is the best company, but like anything else there are a few choices here and there which are better with others. Example is the Gold Dot 158 gr .357 Mag. The Hornady Custom 158 gr XTP .357 Mag is a better load even though both have similar energy. The Gold Dot won't perform well with that one as it uses the Deep Curl Hollow Point bullet. Also Critical Defense VS Gold Dot is sort of a wash in .38 Special as I can't say one is better than the other.

Work=38 on the ankle

I take the gun holds more rounds.9 mm. More power and bullets.hiw hard headed are you. Shoot what you like.

.380 is nothing to sniff at

Need to get off the box and reload that ammo show the masses how easy it is and how you can dial in a round to a gun for excellence. Get off the factory tit . lol

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

KZread has a policy against showing how to reload. I do sometimes reload and shoot that ammo on videos though.

@adamlong54

4 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam well guess they changed that theres tons of reloading videos still on here today