Listening to the guy who argued with the 911 dispatcher.... all I can think of is the number of times I've had to break into my own house because I lost my keys, and the fact I never really introduced myself to my neighbors. If the cops show up, I can explain myself. If Mr. Shotgun over there gets on an adrenaline rush from his hard-on at the prospect of murdering me.... I'm dead.

@donbolin3450

3 жыл бұрын

Why are you locking your house?

@Devonimp

3 жыл бұрын

@@donbolin3450 At the time, because my roommates much preferred the sense of security that came with 'rando can't just quielty open the door and rob us blind or slit our throats in our sleep'. Currently happens most often when some jerk trips the firealarm falsely in our building and I have a sneaking suspicion peope are oing it in the hopes of rummaging through the vacated apartments, but the building's main doors are locked anyway.

@davesy6969

3 жыл бұрын

I locked myself out of my flat a couple of times and had to remove a window pane to get back in. After the second time i hid a spare set of keys outside and never got locked out again.

@mastertrams

2 жыл бұрын

@@donbolin3450 Why aren't you locking your house? It's a simple security measure to go a long way towards preventing theft.

@B7BLUE

2 жыл бұрын

@@mastertrams ...it can also help prevent your psychopathic shotgun-wielding neighbor from murdering you.

South Park had an episode with hunters screaming "THEYRE COMING RIGHT AT US!" every time they wanted to shoot something they werent allowed to. Makes me think of that. That episode is from 1999.

@adriansimonsen6533

3 жыл бұрын

The joke still cracks me up to this day

@cytokinest0rm

3 жыл бұрын

There was a less subtle episode specifically about stand your ground laws where Cartman shoots Token at the end. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pmaDx5l7iNHJnrg.html

@macewbee

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kriae yo thanks for posting this.

@thatonehispanic7982

3 жыл бұрын

Even the newer episode where Cartman drew a red circle and token was walking towards him and shot token saying he stood his ground South Park showed how fucking ridiculous the law is

@Chas-OTE

3 жыл бұрын

@@thatonehispanic7982 Parody used right. Revealing how ridiculous something is.

Last two weeks at 16 year old male was shot for knocking on wrong door, 20 year old woman was shot for driving in wrong driveway, Texas cheerleader shot for accidentally going to wrong car and a 6 year old girl (and her parents) shot at when she retrieved her ball that rolled on to neighbor’s property. Too many people feel threatened and pull out their guns in situations that are not threatening just simple mistakes. Law terminology should be changed from “stand your own ground” to “shoot first and ask questions later.”

@mattlogue1300

Жыл бұрын

Damn straight.

@dozergames2395

Жыл бұрын

That is insane Like u have a gun be a bit more restrained with its use

@_BenJaminCroft_

Жыл бұрын

The man who shot the cheerleader is NOT a self-defense case nor did he even claim self-defense either. Reports state that when the cheerleader got into the backseat of the wrong car, he was in the front passenger seat, and she quickly got out when she realized she was in the wrong car. She then got into another car, the right car, with two other cheerleaders, and that's when the man exited his vehicle, walked up to the cheerleaders in their vehicle, some words were exchanged and that's when he pulled a gun out and opened fire on them. He then fled the scene but was later arrested. This case is still pending. But it's clear that this is NOT a self-defense case, this man is an obvious criminal, and will be charged and held accountable accordingly. And the 6 year old being shot while trying to retrieve her ball from a neighbor's lawn is NOT a stand your ground case either. The man who shot at her was already a convicted felon in possession of an illegal firearm, with a rap sheet of domestic violence too. This was clearly an open and shut case of a violent criminal shooting innocent victims. NOT a stand your ground case. The other two cases are extremely rare cases involving the accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm and then attempting to claim self-defense or stand your ground afterwards. I highly doubt that the courts will allow self-defense or stand your ground to be used in either of these cases as a credible defense in court. Just like that guy arguing over dogs or like that Salama Ra lady. This is the 1%'er club. One slip, and you're out.

@itskarl7575

10 ай бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ They are all stand your ground cases if they use it as a legal defence. And whether or not the gunmen _ought_ to get away with it, they still CAN. The court CAN rule in their favour. Because this is a ridiculous law that has nothing but grey areas. The reason why the shooter of that cheerleader will go to jail isn't because it's not a SYG case. In all likelihood he won't even invoke that defence. But even if he did, he'll go to jail because his name is Pedro Tello Rodriguez Jr. In addition to that, his victim _lived_ - meaning she can testify. Her friend was also a witness. What if the victim was shot dead, and there were NO witnesses? There even _were_ witnesses when Nick Julian shot Garcia, contradicting his claim of self defence, but since that was word against word... the KILLER was believed. There is NOTHING good about Stand Your Ground laws, and a lot of things _demonstrably wrong._

@_BenJaminCroft_

10 ай бұрын

@itskarl7575 No. They are not _all_ Stand Your Ground cases. The cheerleader case and the 6 year old case are NOT stand your ground. Not even close. And they were proven in a court of law not to be. Also, what you failed to notice and mention, like John Oliver does, is that Julian had a witness that saw Garcia rush towards him in a threatening manner. Julian tried getting back into his house but couldn't get the screen door open in time. By then Garcia was already on Julian. In order to stop Garcia from physically harming him or worse, Julian turned and fired. If you think every case is stand your ground just because someone claims it aftwards, then you'll end up in prison like that guy arguing over dogs or like that Salama Ra lady. Self defense cases are taken very seriously and anyone who abuses it will be punished according to the law. This is the 1%'er club. One slip and you're out.

"They came at you" Aaaah yes, the burglars must have been proficient in the back fighting martial arts where they try to attack you by running towards you and blocking your gun with the back of their heads... A true American hero this man is...

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

It's known as the Non Aggression Principle. If force is initiated against you and/or your property, you have a moral right to use equal if not greater force to defend your person/property. And you can do this ex parte or third party as well, because the Non Aggression Principle is universal. In Texas, *Texas Penal Code, Chapter 9, Subchapter D: "Protection of Property"; Sec. 9.41, 9.42, & 9.43.* falls perfectly in line with this principle; and medical reports and bullet forensics show that they were shot in the torso and there was a cop already there that witnessed one of them rush towards Horn. Furthermore, the two _crimminals_ were illegal aliens too bty. Horn was 100% morally and legally justified in his actions.

@pots_83

2 жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ Horn is a murder living in a ridiculous country that has legalised murder...if he had stayed inside his house he would never have been in danger...he went out in order to kill someone...but in the US that's what counts as a hero...a coward

@BeepBoopBopBap

2 жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ he was in his own home. The burglars didn’t know where he was, or who he was. He had no connection whatsoever to them or the property in question, and was literally told by dispatch to stay inside. He chose to kill people, he is a murderer.

@BeepBoopBopBap

2 жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ their undocumented status is entirely irrelevant here, racist

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

@pots839100 So if I'm understanding you correctly, nobody has the moral right not to defend that which is theirs or someone else's?

Imagine how that 911 operator felt. Someone basically asked him for permission to commit a double homicide 14 times, and after 14 denials the man did it anyways, only to be lauded as a hero. That’s something hard to not feel guilt about.

@Egooist.

3 жыл бұрын

That's something hard to not feel -guilt- *anger* about.

@loverrlee

3 жыл бұрын

That dispatcher did all they could. The police should have arrived sooner. What that man did after being told not to 14 times is entirely his fault. I hope there is some kind of justice for what he did. :’(

@cindypomerleau950

3 жыл бұрын

Really ?

@jordisaura6748

3 жыл бұрын

just imagine how his family or friends are supposed to feel knowing he is a cold blooded murderer, that he enjoys murdering people and would do it again. Just imagine how his neighbours ought to feel. But they will feel nothing. Belonging is more important than reason to their minds.

@ZinkBomb

3 жыл бұрын

@tax cut nice bait, troll.

That 911 operator is a saint. I know it didn't work, but patiently and compassionately telling someone not to shoot someone 14 times sounds really hard.

@dragongirl7978

3 жыл бұрын

I just can't imagine how he felt afterwards upon hearing what happened. Like seriously he tried so hard to prevent those mursers, and then the guy just got off scot free.

@zJoriz

3 жыл бұрын

Especially if the one you're talking to refuses to listen. I feel sorry for the operator tbh, he shouldn't have to deal with shit like that.

@Darkprosper

3 жыл бұрын

I can't even imagine how the poor man must feel, having done so much to prevent two murders and failing... Obviously it's not on him, but in his place I don't know if I would be able to deal with it.

@checkmyprofile6209

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/lYaKpbqIo7yWgbA.html

@caitgil3852

3 жыл бұрын

also..... if someone is breaking into your neighbors house if he went in there to shoot them.... didn't he also break into his neighbors house? considering someone told him not to enter and he never had explicit permission from the owners to enter their property

"Learn the skills to legitimize your kills" fantastic line

@One_1_11

Ай бұрын

That line wasn't even in the episode

When you start calm and then get angry and begin citing laws to the operator you are NOT fearing for your life, youve rationalized murder to yourself and made sure to justify it to the operator and then got frustrated when the operator told him to stand down. thats not fear, thats desire to do harm because he felt he could. Period. I have more faith in the humanity of those desperate enough to rob a house....

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

It's known as the Non-Aggression Principle. If force is initiated against you and/or your property, you have a moral right to use equal if not greater force to defend your person/property. And you can do this *ex parte or third party as well,* because the Non-Aggression Principle is universal. In Texas, *Texas Penal Code, Chapter 9, Subchapter D: "Protection of Property"; Sec. 9.41, 9.42, & 9.43* falls perfectly in line with this principle; and medical reports and bullet forensics show that they were shot in the torso and there was a cop already there that witnessed one of them rush towards Horn. Furthermore, these two _criminals_ were illegal aliens too. Horn was 100% morally and legally justified in his actions.

@larsl4843

2 жыл бұрын

​@@_BenJaminCroft_ If you think you have a moral right to defend someone elses property by killing people you are a psychopath. Nobody could have "rushed towards Horn" if he just stayed inside, and that you imply that illegal aliens deserve to die is disgusting.

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

@@larsl4843 I don't want to kill anyone. It's the utilization of *"...equal if not greater force.."*; ie a five year old stealing a pack of gum from Wal-Mart doesn't warrant drawing your gun and shooting them, or shooting someone for taking a dump in the middle of the street, or arguing over dogs. Get it? If we had better border security then nobody could have rushed towards Horn to begin with. And if I'm understanding you correctly, nobody has a moral right to defend that which is theirs or someone else's? Then why have property or property rights at all?

@wesshiflet2214

Жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ the fact that the NAP treats “violating property” as equivalent to a threat to your LIFE is just one of countless reasons why it fails as an ethical standard. that’s completely fucking absurd. but even by your own absurd standard, there’s no reason why it should apply to someone ELSE’S property.

@_BenJaminCroft_

Жыл бұрын

@@wesshiflet2214 So if I'm understanding you correctly, nobody has the moral right to defend that which is theirs or someone else's? Then why have property or property rights at all?

“They came towards you, you shot them” “Yes sir” *Autopsy Shows they were shot in the back* *DOUBT*

@silencedknight

3 жыл бұрын

They were walking backwards really fast

@checkmyprofile6209

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/anuizcSnedC7fZM.html

@kieran8266

3 жыл бұрын

I think they probably turned around when they realized he had a shotgun

@youtubestuff683

3 жыл бұрын

@@kieran8266 that or they were leaving, and he came out with a shotgun screaming, and they tried to run away from the old screaming guy with a gun.

@volodelcalabrone

3 жыл бұрын

@@kieran8266 the question remains. If your hypothesis is true, they turned around to escape: why shooting them?

Depression Tonight with John Oliver is my favorite show on HBO.

@clb4947

3 жыл бұрын

@doopydoop absolutely

@akantorman1

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t speak for all Europeans dude, this is just a sickening for me and I‘d say most of us...

@user-mi5xq8zj7u

3 жыл бұрын

@doopydoop Laughing at other people's pain. How original and edgy...

@nzuckman

3 жыл бұрын

@@PatrickPierceBateman we have military bases in almost every country on Earth - the goings on of the United States can unfortunately affect literally everyone

@Raj80191

3 жыл бұрын

Don't you have to go return some video tapes? All joking aside, yeah, this show is pretty depressing.

He was in "fear for his life" while he goes out of his way to approach the two victims.

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

It's known as the Non-Aggression Principle. If force is initiated against you and/or your property, you have a moral right to use equal if not greater force to defend your person/property. And you can do this *ex parte or third party as well,* because the Non-Aggression Principle is universal. In Texas, *Texas Penal Code, Chapter 9, Subchapter D: "Protection of Property"; Sec. 9.41, 9.42, & 9.43* falls perfectly in line with this principle. Horn was 100% morally and legally justified in his actions.

@beast_pasta2392

Жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ YOU AND/OR YOUR PROPERTY. It wasn't even his house, he was in no danger whatsoever.

@_BenJaminCroft_

Жыл бұрын

@@beast_pasta2392 You can do this *EX PARTE* or *THIRD PARTY* as well.

@nikolai3620

Жыл бұрын

Did you just refer to two burglars with a litany of criminal convictions as "victims"?

@heathersmith4042

Жыл бұрын

​@@nikolai3620 are you saying that because someone has a criminal record, they are now no longer protected by the laws of this country, and you're free to do whatever the fuck you want to them? if that bloodthirsty shithead who killed them both had been charged and convicted, would the same logic have applied to him? or are vigilante murderers excepted from that?

This entire episode reminded me of when I worked at Walmart. Start of the pandemic, I had the lovely "easy job" of telling people they had to put on a mask. I got to see an altercation so stupid, I became a proponent for stricter gun laws. This lady swung into the lot going too fast and nearly hit a guy. He walked up after they parked and shouted "What the fuck!? You almost hit me!" And she immediately pulled a gun and said "I feel threatened!" Thankfully he ran, and the cops were called soon after. Nothing happened to her of course, and she then walked into the store like nothing happened. EDIT: Since people seem to be missing the point I will clarify. I don't think a man being rightfully angry, and shouting at someone, should be grounds to instantly draw a deadly weapon. Had he banged on the window, or acted violent, I would understand, but he stood a good distance from the door, and waved a hand to get her attention. He was upset, but not being an active threat. And if that is all it would take for you to draw a gun as well? Then you are sad, and shouldn't own a gun. Guns are a far bigger escalation than an angry shout.

@kw2519

2 жыл бұрын

Well, he escalated the situation…he could have just walked away. He was seeking punishment, possibly just verbal, but it could have been more. So if she felt threatened for her life or great bodily harm, she had a right to draw. I would have backed out my car if I were her. Concealed carry is not an ego boost. Your ego will get you killed.

@jayrose2933

2 жыл бұрын

Had someone threaten me when I used to work at Macy’s. Asked a customer to put a mask on and he bent down to my level (I’m very short) and said ‘you’re going to regret saying that to me when you get off work.’ Had to get my boss and security involved. People suck.

@kw2519

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayrose2933 Soooo you had no way to protect yourself and had to ask for help? Ya, we definitely need stricter gun laws………….we are in a society of cucks.

@gregblackburn4280

Жыл бұрын

Nobody.......so a woman pulled a gun on an irate man and nothing happened? Looks like "nothing happened" so what, exactly, were cops supposed to do?

@OmegaShadeslayer

Жыл бұрын

I can't imagine being as soft as you.

Can I just say the dispatcher did a good job trying to discourage that guy from shot-gunning these two people in the back? I hope he doesn't feel guilty about the outcome, he did what he could.

@Harrowed2TheMind

3 жыл бұрын

Plus, he was impressively patient and calm, not to mention reasonable.

@mark-ish

3 жыл бұрын

Joe Horn wanted to shoot someone.

@jetobey5656

3 жыл бұрын

You are so correct. And it is the kind of person who ignores decency and common sense and respect for human life, even when it it is not being lived ideally, who are beating me to death "Upstairs." In a civilian environment, having to shoot someone should not be easy to live with. (common parlance--prep. ending)

@antonbrakhage490

3 жыл бұрын

@@mark-ish Yup. These wannabe tough guy types just want to hurt or kill someone to show how powerful they are. Probably compensating for something.

@user-pe3fk1fb1o

3 жыл бұрын

There is a separate video of that call alone on a different channel, and it's honestly insane how many people were celebratory of what he did in the comments. He straight up abused that law to justify murdering two people because he was pissed off.

I don’t get how that one dude was protected under the Stand Your Ground law. Doesn’t that 911 call contain enough evidence that he wasn’t in fear for his life, and the murder was premeditated?

@joshuagore2478

3 жыл бұрын

sounds about white to me 🙄

@J0eMega

3 жыл бұрын

@@killerkitten7534 That sounds like a very important detail that should have been included. Because A. People who really want gun control would be fighting the wrong law and B. It comes off as a bit shady. When you think about it, although how the way that law applied to that mother was horrendous, that seems to be an issue with the judicial system, and not the legislation.

@hectorheck1353

3 жыл бұрын

@@killerkitten7534 It's not weird. With proper context Oliver couldn't brainwash his listeners. His show isn't about information. He's a comic.

@vetreas366

3 жыл бұрын

So let me get this straight: story is about how an insane asshole went out and shot 2 people in the back with a shotgun after being warned to not go out of the safety of his own house by a 911 dispatch... and the problem is that Oliver didn't go into the specifics of which law was used to spare the murderer jail time? The problem was not that the case was "justified" but rather that the law was used to "justify" what was an escalation of conflict that led to a loss of life. Fucking that hard to understand that, is it?

@J0eMega

3 жыл бұрын

@@vetreas366 No... the story isn’t about that lol. This entire episode is about “stand your ground” law and he uses a story that apparently didn’t hinge on “stand your ground”. I’m not sure what YOU aren’t getting about this...?

The guy who called 911 wasn't in fear of.. anything. He went to his neighbours' house. His NEIGHBOURS. Not his own house. He went out of his way, putting himself in danger, just to play the hero and kill bad guys. He had nothing TO defend; he wasn't even attacked... Dude just wanted to be a hero and/or kill people.

@saagisharon8595

Жыл бұрын

you're not the one with the neighbor who would ask you why you didn't do anything

@Kya10

Жыл бұрын

@@saagisharon8595 Hm... Fair point, I suppose. Still don't think that it justifies killing 2 persons, but I hear you yeah, not doing anything at all wouldn't have been right either.

@peggedyourdad9560

Жыл бұрын

@@saagisharon8595 Calling the police is doing something, notifying the neighbor that their house has been broken into is also something.

@itskarl7575

10 ай бұрын

@@saagisharon8595 If my neighbour tells me he thinks I should have confronted the burglars myself, me being outnumbered 2:1, I'd tell him exactly where he could shove his opinion. And if he counters with "you could have shot them in the back", I'd give his doctor a call - explaining how I'm concerned for my neighbour's mental wellbeing.

@saagisharon8595

10 ай бұрын

@@peggedyourdad9560 If the response time is to slow, then it's for shit

So, dude went out of his way to murder people and he was not charged?? What planet is this? There should be zero possiblity to even stand your ground law to apply to this. Fact that it does is even more scary than the law itself

@_BenJaminCroft_

Жыл бұрын

It's known as the Non-Aggression Principle. If force is initiated against you and/or your property, you have a moral right to use equal if not greater force to defend your person/property. And you can do this ex parte or third party as well, because the Non-Aggression Principle is universal. In Texas, *Texas Penal Code, Chapter 9, Subchapter D: "Protection of Property"; Sec. 9.41, 9.42, & 9.43* falls perfectly in line with this principle; and medical reports and bullet forensics show that they were shot in the torso; the off duty cop that witnessed one of them rushing towards Horn arrived just seconds before it happened, he was on his way home that night; and those two _criminals_ were illegal aliens too bty. Horn was 100% morally and legally justified in his actions.

@anonymousperson3023

11 ай бұрын

​@_BenJaminCroft_ He wasn't. You need imminent danger to shoot. Imminent danger was not present as no one was inside the house. I feel for Horn. He's a good guy who just didn't understand the law and shot 2 people but it is still legally murder as imminent threat wasn't present. This isn't a matter of stand your ground. This is a matter of the threat was imminent as no one was inside the house

@samuelb-1406

10 ай бұрын

It's Planet America 🦅🦅🦅

@itskarl7575

10 ай бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ Dung by any other name still reeks. The non-aggression principle CLEARLY was never meant to cover cases like these. Several reasons: 1. Lethal force was never used or even threatened 2. The killer was not in any sort of danger. NEITHER WAS his neighbour, who wasn't even at home. So third party extension, my foot. 3. A principle being universal doesn't mean it extends to third parties, unless you WANT to for your own nefarious reasons. And when the third party in question isn't even THERE, it's already passed beyond ridiculous and is now firmly entrenched in Bizarro-land. If this was a case where the non-aggression principle could be used as a defence, then E V E R Y single case of murder could be defended the same way. All murders can be "justified". And every murderer believes himself to be justified. And if you can shoe-horn the "non-aggression principle" in THIS case, the sky's the limit. In no sane universe was Horn REMOTELY morally right. He used an exceptionally terrible law as an excuse to commit murder.

@_BenJaminCroft_

10 ай бұрын

​@anonymousperson3023 No. Again, medical reports and bullet forensics show that they were shot in the torso and there was an off duty cop already there that witnessed one of them rush towards Horn. Furthermore, these two _criminals_ were illegal aliens too. And once again, it's known as the Non-Aggression Principle. If force is initiated against you and/or your property, you have a moral right to use equal if not greater force to defend your person/property. And you can do this *ex parte or third party as well,* because the Non-Aggression Principle is universal. In Texas, *Texas Penal Code, Chapter 9, Subchapter D: "Protection of Property"; Sec. 9.41, 9.42, & 9.43* falls perfectly in line with this principle. Again, Horn was 100% legally and morally justified in his actions.

“They came at you” “Yes sir” Audio: *confronted burglars at neighbors house* Autopsy: *both men shot in back*

@pet3r387

3 жыл бұрын

Wannabe heroes everyone, they are actually mentally deranged.

@fancynancy6330

3 жыл бұрын

Gun guys suck....never met one who didn’t have teany tiny manparts.

@wulver810

3 жыл бұрын

@@fancynancy6330 guns primarily get used for suicide or murder/suicides, probably because they can't stand living with those itsy bitsy tiny peepees

@roarkedunn2688

3 жыл бұрын

@@fancynancy6330 well shit, guess I gotta go buy a gun now :/

@roarkedunn2688

3 жыл бұрын

@@wulver810 any advice on a tidy suicide? I've got tarps and plastic wrap like in the movies already

It's literally called "Stand You Ground" law... Not, "Walk to my Neighbours with a Shotgun" law

@_BenJaminCroft_

3 жыл бұрын

In Texas it's known as Texas Castle Doctrine law. *Texas Penal Code, Chapter 9, Subchapter D: "Protection of Property"; Sec. 9.41, 9.42, & 9.43.* Which falls perfectly in line with the Non-Aggression Principle. If force is initiated against you and/or your property, you have a moral right to use equal if not greater force to defend your person/property. *And you can do this ex parte or third party as well,* because the Non-Aggression Principle is universal.

@seigeengine

3 жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ In reality it's called "stupid shit by a bunch of scumbag losers."

@_BenJaminCroft_

3 жыл бұрын

@@Matt90Nine Again, you can do this ex parte or third party too. Just like if you saw someone else's person and/or property being or about to be robbed, assaulted, raped or murdered. You have the moral right to respond with equal if not greater force to stop it or prevent it from happening.

@_BenJaminCroft_

3 жыл бұрын

@@Matt90Nine First of all, the government is under no duty or obligation to protect and serve any of us. Court case after court case has upheld this for decades. Second, Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine laws fall perfectly in line with the Non-Aggression Principle. Third, evidence clearly shows that an armed population does in fact keep violent crimes at low levels and John Oliver even reinforced this statistic by showing that 70% of Stand Your Ground cases are justified.

@_BenJaminCroft_

3 жыл бұрын

@@Matt90Nine Morality _is_ violence. What I mean by that is not all violence is moral. All morality justifies the use of force. For example if your a woman and you have the moral right not to be raped, then of course you are perfectly legit in using force in order not to be raped. If you have the moral right not to be assaulted, then you have the moral right to use force to prevent yourself from being assaulted. If you have the moral right not to be murdered, to not be stolen from, you have the moral right to use force to prevent that. So whatever we define as the _moral_ is what we give permission to use violence in the pursuit of or the defense of that principle. Morality _is_ violence. It's not to say that the two are completely synonymous because you can have just self defense; which is the use of violence to defend your moral rights and that's perfectly fine. However! When people talk about morality, they're talking about _justified violence._ *Justified violence.* So what is the morality that reduces the amount of violence in the world? Clearly it has to be reactionary morality. And it has to be _case limited_ morality. The Non-Aggression Principle is _reactive._ It's not proactive. Thou shall not initiate force against others. But if force is initiated against you then you have the right to initiate force to defend your persons and/or property and that includes ex parte and third party too. It's a universal principle. So once we understand the morality, that which is used to justify violence, we have to be very sparing, tiny, case controlled and tight in our justifications for morality. Because whenever we justify morality, whatever we apply morality to, there is where we also justify violence. And if we want to keep violence down in the world we have to keep morality reactive, case specific and very very tightly defined. So if we say morality is the Non-Aggression Principle that bans rape, theft, assault and murder, we have a very powerful and very _limited_ justification for violence and it's reactive. If you don't want force involved then it's not morality. It's then aesthetics or politeness or social convention or something els; it's not morality. Morality is that which takes the safety off the gun and let's you point it at somebody. That's the foundation of morality. It's flicking the small domino (this is immoral) and the last big domino is the safety coming off the gun. Hence why we have these laws and this is what they are based on. Morally defending your person and/or property or someone else's person and/or property with equal if not greater force from theft, assault, rape or murder. Anything less would be considered aesthetic morality and laws based on aesthetic morality are obviously subject to change. But not laws based on true morality. Get it?

I'm saying this as a gun owner, someone who has been around firearms since I was old enough to carry a 22 rifle: This is totally insane. I really don't understand how we can legally allow someone who was not under any direct physical threat to take it upon himself to grab a gun, leave the security of his home, and execute two unarmed human beings for a non-violent property crime. Since when do we execute people for burglary? Totally, totally in the wrong here. What kind of a coward shoots people in the back? "Stand your Ground" laws just enable people to legally comit homicide and create any justification they like afterwards. How the fuck do you legally codify "in fear for my life"? This guy had no reason whatsoever to believe that his life was under any kind of...I don't know...mortal peril.

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

It's known as the Non-Aggression Principle. If force is initiated against you and/or your property, you have a moral right to use equal if not greater force to defend your person/property. And you can do this *ex parte or third party as well,* because the Non-Aggression Principle is universal. In Texas, *Texas Penal Code, Chapter 9, Subchapter D: "Protection of Property"; Sec. 9.41, 9.42, & 9.43* falls perfectly in line with this principle. Medical reports and bullet forensics show that they were shot in the torso and there was a cop already there that witnessed one of them rush towards Horn. Furthermore, these two criminals were illegal aliens too. Horn was 100% morally and legally justified in his actions.

@9ninrninr947

2 жыл бұрын

You'll have to be more specific when John Oliver is continuous lies and almost nothing but. Don't know which example you're reffering to, but I'd suggest looking into all of things he just brought up if you actually care about the truth....And not just being racist like Mr Oliver.

@Vickvineager

2 жыл бұрын

I like how you rephrase a home robbery with a “non violent property crime”. Way to spin that around & make home invasions nothing to be worried about. I bet your tune would change if you found your house was broken into & robbed. You’d probably do the same thing & shoot them as they’re fleeing. Not to mention, good riddance. Just one less criminal that’s gonna break into someone else’s house.

@Vatt-Ghern

Жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ Hope someone Non-Agressively stands their ground while you have your back turned.

@_BenJaminCroft_

Жыл бұрын

@Vatt Ghern Great. That means if someone attacks me from behind, the person who sees it happening won't be afraid to jump in to help defend me. Because that person knows and understands what the Non-Aggression Principle is all about, doing what is morally right by utilizing equal if not greater force to protect not only your person and/or property but someone else's person and/or property as well. They won't just stand-by and let it happen while waiting for the cops to show up. Because when seconds count and help is minutes away, what do you do?

Don't forget Stand your Ground together with the "Gay Panic Defense"... My partner was a victim of that, his killers didn't go to prison, and they were not charged with homicide, murder or anything.

@alastor8091

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so sure your partner was completely innocent and totally didn't do anything to warrant getting blasted.

@redhydra2871

Ай бұрын

Im so sorry for your loss

Any song that attracts a mate, marks your territory, or warns of danger gets an A+ in my book.

@ilovefunnyamv2nd

3 жыл бұрын

well i can sing a song that marks my territory, but that may just be everything with ears trying to stay clear of the awful noise. If i DID sing a song that attracted a mate, i would probably never shut up

@Raatcharch

3 жыл бұрын

Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Sweet Home Alabama" ticks all three of those boxes. A+ song.

@thexalon

3 жыл бұрын

Danger? Carlos Danger!

@ElDarric

3 жыл бұрын

The bird still exists! Results speak for themselves!

@GameOfDepth

3 жыл бұрын

“That’s wonderful, now will you get off my roof sir?”

Not only did that psychopath know that his state put the stand your ground law in place, he knew the day it took effect.

@stefangrobbink7760

3 жыл бұрын

He's the type of guy that couldn't wait to use it, and in fact didn't for very long.

@lytlechamberlain761

3 жыл бұрын

@@stefangrobbink7760 Some people have just always wanted to murder a guy at least once.

@DrBastycore

3 жыл бұрын

He probably had a calendar where he crossed off the days until the law passes, then standing at his windows the whole day waiting for an opportunity to murder someone.

@adam12havener

3 жыл бұрын

Shot them in the back as they were coming at him?

@SerenityM54L2SAM5L5N1

3 жыл бұрын

@@lytlechamberlain761 "a guy" lmfao A criminal trespassing robber with an intent to steal, injure and kill isn't a "man". Don't humanize the irredeemable who deserve to be intervened upon.

Horn was trespassing when he shot. And “stand your ground” is a weird way to spell “intervene in a situation you have zero involvement in”

@_BenJaminCroft_

Жыл бұрын

He did not trespass. Horn was legally and morally justified in his actions.

I love the scrubjay's singing. It is adorable, and it is truly florida in many ways. Puny, sub par, and very funny.

True Floridian story: When I was a kid I befriended and fed a scrub jay seeds from my hand every day for two months and he even brought his mate with him once he trusted me. And then a hurricane came and I never saw them again.

@PhotonBeast

3 жыл бұрын

Found the Disney princess!

@thetruth9803

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. He dead

@whoisheiforgothisname2103

3 жыл бұрын

The only thing that wouldn't make this a disney movie is the hurricane didn't transport you to Alice and the wonderland.

@musicauthority7828

3 жыл бұрын

That woman trying to make those birds out to be human beings completely showed her ignorance. they are bird's doing what birds do because they are more trusting doesn't change the fact.

@smoothcat1556

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he moved cuz of shitty weather...

"They came towards you and you shot them." "Yes, sir, that's correct." Yeah, apparently they backed toward him. Scary.

@Maartimer

3 жыл бұрын

Trespassing is clearly a greater crime than murder in those parts

@FlorenceFox

3 жыл бұрын

You have to understand that they were moonwalking very aggressively.

@kroto7451

3 жыл бұрын

@@FlorenceFox lol

@GhostHelwig

3 жыл бұрын

At that part I literally couldn’t help yelling at my screen that he shot them in the back. Like wtf. The fact that that man was never even *arrested* is horrifying. He murdered two people.

@NSA.Monitored.Device

3 жыл бұрын

On that basis: What about shooting that guy in the back? I mean, he's obviously a threat, running around people shooting in the back. So I'd better be faster if that dude stands in front of me in the waiting line... -> "He was coming right for me..."

That applause from the crowd alone.......is bone-chilling.

@oodlesofhoes

4 ай бұрын

Pretty sure this recorded during the pandemic when there was no audience.

@kellyramon8506

4 ай бұрын

@@oodlesofhoes I was referring to the audio he played. I made this comment 2 years ago. Why are you lurking????

@NinjaRabbit29

3 ай бұрын

@@oodlesofhoesI think they’re talking about the crowd applauding the guy with the shotgun

@babanachick818

2 ай бұрын

12:33

@SumeriyaYaxlaka

19 күн бұрын

"The boys" type shit

I'm disabled. I cannot run away, duck for cover, and once I'm on the ground I cannot get up without help. I carry everywhere, everyday. I don't want to use it but you best believe if my life or my family's life is in danger I will. I follow the laws very closely. I am very aware of my surroundings and I train the best I can.

@SumeriyaYaxlaka

19 күн бұрын

And everyone with a gun should legally be required to train and be as responsible like you.. that's it..

@brandonmcmanis5528

18 күн бұрын

@@SumeriyaYaxlaka should people train? Yes. Should it be a legal requirement? No. You don't need training for free speech. You don't need training to not have a soldier to occupy your house. You don't need training for protection against illegal surch and seizures. You don't need training for the right to remain silent. You don't need training for due prosses. You don't need training for a speedy trail with a jury of your peers. You don't need training for protection against crule and unusual punishment. No other right we have has a legal requirement for training, the second amendment shouldn't have to require as well. It's not a privilege like driving. And every gun law is an infringement, the only reason I follow them is because I'm forced to. No other right is as stepped on like the second amendment. And remember our rights are not given to us by the government, they are given to us at birth, and don't restrict us, it restricts the government.

@SumeriyaYaxlaka

18 күн бұрын

@@brandonmcmanis5528 well.. then the consequences of not training and or irresponsible gun ownership should be severe.. And there is still the problem of school shootings..

"I won't wear a mask or get vaccinated or distance myself because God will protect me. But I do need ten guns for self-defence."

@victorpradha9946

3 жыл бұрын

Congratulations: Welcome to the GQP. Small government, except for women's wombs, don't tread on me, except for the voting eligibility and access for minority voters (you know them people with funny soundin names), self-reliance (i.e., no unemployment comp etc) except for Big Corps and top 1%ters who get all kinds of tax write offs, exclusions, subsidies and sanctuaries, don't dare propose gun control measures even if more people die from guns than drugs...but by golly pass laws that are selectively enforced against them Latino and or Black people where they get put away for smaller amounts of the much cheaper, less potent, less lethal crack cocaine possession, but give a pass on those having huge quantities of the super potent, highly lethal pure cocaine because only rich white people afford those. BTW, same for prescription drugs.

@PhoeniXBG

3 жыл бұрын

@@victorpradha9946 Ehh... Crack cocaine is worse than pure cocaine, and also I would have been with you on that if you had used weed for an example. But cocaine? Screw all junkies.

@maninblk

3 жыл бұрын

Officer: "Why did you shoot him?" Victim: "I was in fear for my life! He was wearing a Trump hat. Those people, scare the shit out of me!"

@phileas007

3 жыл бұрын

Matthew 10 says: 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: *I came not to send peace, but a sword*. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. So there's actually some internal consistency here, lol

@rclipse1985

3 жыл бұрын

@@maninblk Yeah, sounds like a valid argument to me.

Here in Chile a US citizen (John Covin) last year shot to a peaceful protest because he "feared for his life"... now he is serving 10 years in prison

@davesy6969

3 жыл бұрын

If he did it in texas he'd get a parade.

@wurdezudiesemaccountgezwungen

3 жыл бұрын

chile is so nice and save because of their laws, thats the reason everyone want to live there.....oh wait

@otheraccount3424

3 жыл бұрын

As he deserves

@willzyxOfficial

3 жыл бұрын

@@wurdezudiesemaccountgezwungen Chile has increasing immigration numbers every year, less crime deaths per capita than the US, and is one of the wealthiest countries in Latin America, so take your ignorance elsewhere please. Also the US having a decent economy doesn't mean you're the best in every single way, you aren't. Plenty of countries with smaller economies do better on a variety of social issues. Instead of being a dick about it, you can also try to see your own flaws, which there are plenty, including this false superiority complex.

@wurdezudiesemaccountgezwungen

3 жыл бұрын

@@willzyxOfficial xD i am from europe

My mom and stepdad were victims of the “Stand Your Ground” law: they were driving in our neighborhood, when these two neighbors blocked the road and nearly attacked my mother, and when my stepdad retaliated in order to protect her from harm, *he* got arrested, because he attacked the guy a few feet away from the attacker’s driveway. It also didn’t help that the arresting officer was the neighbors cousin, and the prosecutor of the case was their family friend. So now, 15 years after the fact, my mom has a record, my stepdad has a felony over his head, and we can never leave the country as a family for any vacation. Btw, this was all happening while my stepdad was in the first stages of going through chemotherapy and radiotherapy treatment (Stage 4 brain cancer). Don’t worry, he’s still alive and still in remission.

@timpyrules

Жыл бұрын

im calling bullshit

@gavo7911

Жыл бұрын

@@timpyrules Nobody cares what you call

@A-small-amount-of-peas

Жыл бұрын

​@@timpyrulesIt's completely believable

I'd just like to point out another angle; I could not come up with how many people I've met who seem instantly worried, on edge, or outright fearful of someone is bald, has a tattoo on their face, or is significantly stronger than them when a person exhibiting one of those three traits has done nothing but walk by them on the street. It still surprises me to this day. Just imagine, someone being allowed to shoot you just because you are stronger than average.

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

It's known as the Non-Aggression Principle. If force is initiated against you and/or your property, you have a moral right to use equal if not greater force to defend your person/property. And you can do this *ex parte or third party as well,* because the Non-Aggression Principle is universal.

@luisguterres7747

Жыл бұрын

i gotta admit that bald men make me nervous, i guess it comes from a time where there were a lot of neo nazis in my town, and i got along with the punk crowd, usually everytime paths crossed shit would happen i know it's silly, being bald doesn't automatically make anyone a skinhead, but it got physical so many times that i guess it's like a warning sign in my head now It never justifies violence tho, i hate violence i'm not American, for me the idea of people walking around with guns on the street sounds ludicrous xD

This makes me think of that guy who was in I think a Florida Costco and was very loudly screaming "I FEEL THREATENED!" when an employee asked him to put a mask on.

@zJoriz

3 жыл бұрын

I guess we gotta be glad he didn't straight up murder the employee.

@0121zachary

3 жыл бұрын

Well of course it was in Florida

@benjamindoane9693

3 жыл бұрын

strange crossover of the "your feelings don't matter" crowd and the "remember to cite this so you can use deadly force" crowd.

@vincentclark5739

3 жыл бұрын

I totally remember that! I was expecting him to reach for a gun

@ButtonJockey

3 жыл бұрын

There's more than a few videos around of people declaring some version of "I feel threatened." like some lame ass war cry.

To quote Jimbo from south park: "You can legally shoot anything in self defense"

@Shuizid

3 жыл бұрын

Stand-Your-Ground however makes it legal to shoot anything even without self-defense. You just need to say you FEEL threatened, regardless of actual threat.

@checkmyprofile6209

3 жыл бұрын

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@drewgoin8849

3 жыл бұрын

"Its comin' right at us!"

@ThinkingReality

3 жыл бұрын

Right? And suddenly that "FREE HAT" scene hits... different.

3 жыл бұрын

He just needed to add: "Only if you are white".

0:15 that guy is the embodiment of the "remove your weapons" *pulls tons of weapons out of increasingly ridiculous hiding spots on their body* "ALL of them" *pulls out more* trope

@adde9506

2 жыл бұрын

Have you seen the one of the "high schooler" with the baggy pants? Dude's got a shotgun down there and you can't even tell.

When the police told Marion that she would be arrested because she was the only one employing deadly force...my first thought was... if they are in a car and she isn't that car can and probably would be considered a deadly weapon being employed to at the very least intimidate.

@ErenJager-df7re

7 ай бұрын

@ErenJager-df7re hace 0 segundos It was just a fictional story that help malicious people to justify themselves

@SarafinaSummers

7 ай бұрын

I called bullshit on her entire story. I don’t know why, but some thing about her just strikes me as untruthful.

Life saving knowledge: Zorba, an English Mastiff, holds the record for heaviest dog at 345 lbs

@thephilster6860

3 жыл бұрын

What if that's what the victim told the shooter? "The heaviest dog was an English Mastiff that weighed 345 pounds." "Oh yeah? That's not what my gun said."

@flowerhobi1673

3 жыл бұрын

Wth is an lbs

@joeygibson6867

3 жыл бұрын

@@flowerhobi1673 American customary measurement. We don’t do metric

@a.humanbeing8171

3 жыл бұрын

@@flowerhobi1673 pounds

@PeachyTeafy

3 жыл бұрын

It's the abbreviation for pounds, for some reason.

As a black man who is a store manager in Florida . Even in uniform and a name badge people are jumpy when I go get shopping charts or stand outside . Because of the stand your ground laws and trigger happy people I make sure to stay wide and clear of people . Sometime leaving a cart if it’s too close to an occupied car .

@mangos2888

3 жыл бұрын

It’s okay to leave Florida. Get the whole family to go with you. That solution is easier than changing the law.

@kuntamdc

3 жыл бұрын

I go out of my way to make other people feel safe (unthreatened) if I can't go out of my way to avoid them. (Edit) I'm in AZ.

@oguzhangungor9117

3 жыл бұрын

@@mangos2888 Nobody should be forced to change their location just because of a dumb law.

@Shuizid

3 жыл бұрын

@@oguzhangungor9117 Nobody "should" - but sometimes things that shouldn't happen do happen.

@chintamaniw1882

3 жыл бұрын

@@mangos2888 u supplying the money for him to up root his whole family or nah?

Who came back after all the wrong place shootings in the news this past week? Those stories made me feel like this subject needs a part two.

The subjective nature of how a threat is interpreted is, hands down, the biggest issue. Sadly, that same standard governs many police depts as well

@mrsoul680

6 ай бұрын

its not a subjective standard, its an objective standard. the reasonable person standard.

Probably the only grandma who doesn't give her grandkids cookies because "They would grow up lazy and with a welfare mentality."

@Firmus777

3 жыл бұрын

She has a point. The problem is the solution which she has in mind. From each according to their abilities to each according to their needs! Only a workers' republic can save people from the zombification of the proletariat looking up to lazy capitalists for their lifestyle!

@seeschildkroete

3 жыл бұрын

I seriously hope, that she isn't a grandma!

@lynneshively3790

3 жыл бұрын

She's comparing a BIRD to a human! There should be a whole lot of people walking around with plexiglass stomachs because their heads are up their asses.

@makaisenki

3 жыл бұрын

Only cause all the other grandma's like that died of covid or are in a nursing home and their grandkids and kids won't come to see them cause they are racist, annoying, toxic grandma.

@makaisenki

3 жыл бұрын

@@lynneshively3790 if people like that low-key had their heads up their asses it could have cut the Covid death rates in half.

The fact that Siwatu-Salama Ra was sent to prison for essentially doing the same thing as Marion Hammer, even though she was in a stand-your-ground state and had a child with her, is some cruel fucking irony.

@karbebs

3 жыл бұрын

2 different justice systems. One for white people, one for everyone else.

@sanyonazyin6063

3 жыл бұрын

Only in america, and then again Marion Hammer is white

@justadad6677

3 жыл бұрын

Should be her repeal argument.

@justadad6677

3 жыл бұрын

@@karbebs Wrong, one for rich, one for white, one for Republicans, and one for everyone they could give two cent about (which is all the poor, poor white get punished by this shitty system as well, and depending where they live, being white doesn't matter).

@7PlayingWithFire7

3 жыл бұрын

@@justadad6677 actually it does matter. Whites still get less jail time. There's also a separate system for women vs men; more specifically white women.

Imagine the secondary effects - the constant worry that some nutcase will pull out a gun and commit 'justifiable homicide', because you got into an argument about canine density, or what kind of flour is best for baking. It fundamentally changes how you relate to the people around you.

@_BenJaminCroft_

Жыл бұрын

John Oliver makes it sound like the guy who shot and killed someone over an argument about dogs, then just walked away scott-free because he claimed self-defense. I reality, both parties involved were at fault. The guy who killed Scott Beary and claimed self-defense was charged and sentenced guilty to involuntary manslaughter in the first degree. He was sentenced to prison for 5 years, where he currently resides, and he will never be allowed to legally own a firearm ever again. Remember that John Oliver is a comedian hosting a comedy show, *generalizing* information read from a teleprompter, in order for it to fit into his comedic act. I like this show too, but it seriously needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

@alexanderb6058

Жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ Thanks for the info. I think it's ironic that John is pushing the message of looking further into the motivations of officials like this "sweet old lady," while he didn't cover the details you pointed out. On the other hand. I think his main point about gun law makers aggressively pushing their agendas rings true.

@gregblackburn4280

Жыл бұрын

Emil.....that literally never happens except for in the minds of people like you.

@tarfeef101

Жыл бұрын

America's gun problem is a big reason I don't live there. I had the opportunity to make a ton more money than I do in Canada, and still do. But I wouldn't live there even for a couple years. It just ain't worth it

@gregblackburn4280

Жыл бұрын

@@tarfeef101 And yet the odds of getting shot are less than the odds of dying of Covid. Propaganda is a real thing, quite effective on the right person. Most murder in America is related to the drug trade. If one can avoid using, buying, or selling drugs the odds of being shot go down to nearly zero. But if you are the sort of person that falls for the propaganda, I'm sure America is better off without you. Simple math: 330 million Americans and about 30,000 gun deaths a year. So....30,000 / 330,000,000 x 100 = 0.009 percent. So your changes of being killed by a gun in America are 0.009 percent. Yep, America is much too dangerous for you! Now put on the face diaper, stay home, and get your booster!

The Joe Horn incident really shows the perversity of laws like this. Even if we agreed with the premise behind Stand Your Ground laws, Horn wasn't standing his ground; he was standing someone else's.

@sachadee.6104

2 ай бұрын

he wasn't even standing there. He WENT there he actively stepped in the way.

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 ай бұрын

It's known as the Non-Aggression Principle. If force is initiated against you and/or your property, you have a moral right to use equal if not greater force to defend your person/property. And you can do this _ex parte or third party as well,_ because the Non-Aggression Principle is universal. In Texas, *Texas Penal Code, Chapter 9, Subchapter D: "Protection of Property"; Sec. 9.41, 9.42, & 9.43* falls perfectly in line with this principle; and medical reports and bullet forensics show that they were shot in the torso, there was a cop there that witnessed one of them rush towards Horn, and those two _criminals_ were illegal aliens too bty. Horn was 100% morally and legally justified in his actions.

@portmantologist

2 ай бұрын

​ @_BenJaminCroft_ None of what you said contradicts my statement, even if I grant that all of the things you said are true, which I absolutely don't. First off, "morally justified" and "legally justified" are not remotely the same thing, because moral actions can be illegal and laws can be immoral. Second, the validity of the Non-Aggression Principle is an assumption that you're making, not a fact. Third, a shotgun is so far out of proportionality to a burglary that it violates the Non-Aggression Principle because it made Horn the aggressor. Fourth, the citizenship status of the burglars has no bearing on whether Horn's actions were justified, as illegal immigration, much like burglary, is not a capital offense, nor is "Illegal" immigration even a criminal offense at all.

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 ай бұрын

@portmantologist *First,* morality _is_ violence. What I mean by that is not all violence is moral. All morality justifies the use of force. For example if you are a woman and you have the moral right not to be raped, then of course you are perfectly legit in using force in order not to be raped. If you have the moral right not to be assaulted, murdered, assaulted, and robbed from then you have the moral right to use force to prevent yourself from being robbed, assaulted, raped, and murdered. So whatever we define as the _moral_ is what we give permission to use violence in the pursuit of or the defense of that principle. Morality _is_ violence. *Second,* clearly the NAP has to be reactionary morality. And it has to be _case limited_ morality. (fyi theft, assault, rape, and murder) The Non-Aggression Principle is _reactive._ It's not proactive. Thou shall not initiate force against others. But if force is initiated against you then you have the right to initiate force to defend your person and/or property and that includes *ex parte and third party too.* It's a universal principle. *Third,* just because you think a shotgun is too big or too much to defend yourself and others with, doesn't mean nobody else can't use one to defend themselves and others with. That's ignorance at its finest. I won't tell you what you can and can't use in order to defend yourself and others with; and neither should you. How dare you. That's messed up. *Fourth,* if our borders were more secure then this whole situation might never have took place.

@portmantologist

2 ай бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ First, it is completely psychotic to suggest that morality and violence are necessarily intertwined. It's generally considered immoral to cheat on your spouse, but few people (much less the laws of a civilized society) would say that cheating on one's spouse justifies lethal violence against them. You're conflating laws with morality, and they are not only not the same thing, but are only tenuously connected. You've also got causality backwards: it's not that women (and men, and children, etc.) have a right not to be raped, but that people have the moral obligation to not commit rape. Morality constrains actions, not consequences. Second, nothing you say about the NAP matters, because no matter how "universal" you think it is, it is neither an established fact nor the basis for our laws and morality. You can believe in the NAP as much as you want, but it's not a blank check to commit murder. Third, it's not that I think that a shotgun is "too big" for self-defense, it's that shooting someone with a shotgun is far out of proportion of the "violence" of property theft, especially property that is not yours. Nobody's life was in danger until Horn inserted himself into the situation with a shotgun. As far as telling others how they can and can't defend themselves, THAT IS WHAT LAWS DO . If someone rear-ends your car, and you shoot them to death, you are both legally and morally in the wrong because the violence you inflicted on that person is far out of proportion to the "violence" that was committed against you. "An eye for an eye" is meant to be a limiting principle, not a permission slip: if someone takes your eye, you take theirs, AND STOP THERE. Fourth, it is incredibly well-documented that immigrants, "legal" or otherwise, commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens, so the fact that some immigrants commit crime is hardly an argument against immigration when non-immigrants commit more. As I stated before, illegal immigration is not even a criminal offense, much less a capital offense. Furthermore, the problem with immigration is not the "security" of our border, but our broken immigration system. Integration is a two-way street, and it's not only the responsibility of immigrants to integrate into our society, but our society's responsibility to facilitate their integration. Illegal immigration can only exist in contradistinction to legal immigration, so if we have a problem with illegal immigration, then definitionally we have a problem with legal immigration.

I remember being a teenager and telling my mom that I want to move to America (to US). Since then I've realised what she meant by asking a bewildered "Why??"

@m0rtred

3 жыл бұрын

Mine just smiled back at me while pinching my cheeck, but as i grew up i don't really wanna go there anymore even as a white person seems like insane place to live a life idk. With that said i cannot even begin to imagine what is it for a black person to live there, i truly cannot i fully understand what they mean when they say its a survival bcs it really is and that's fcking crazy i really dont get racism.

@chazdomingo475

3 жыл бұрын

When I grew up I was told repeatedly that America is the greatest country on Earth and every where else was terrible. If people have to say that over and over again to children, it's not true. I should have realized that earlier.

@ChronologicalFern

3 жыл бұрын

My story was the contrary, I'd tell my ma I wanted to live in another country, she'd ask "You wanna go to the USA do ya?" and I was like "No..? Bitch wtf, I'm not stupid, I'm 7.". :P I should say that that is only because I read a lot about Sweden from a blog of a gal who shit-talked the US a lot.

@k1dicarus

3 жыл бұрын

I learned about the states from Hollywood. 15 yo me was the biggest USA fan. Then 9/11 happened and 8 years Bush, who in hindsight was an angel compared to the orange pissboy. Nowadays I am mostly interested in its beautiful nature. Hiking the AT, CDT or PCT. And drive to Boca Chica Texas and see a Starship fly.

@howdydoo9148

3 жыл бұрын

Y do y’all think it’s a crazy place to live?

If a bird is telling me another bird's song is B+ I'll take their word for it.

@Lostmymind1

3 жыл бұрын

You know that's John Oliver, right? Not Dee from It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia.

@reanimationxp

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lostmymind1 I always wondered what that bird's name was

@larsjnsn

3 жыл бұрын

British Humor 👌

@Drugst0re

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lostmymind1 I thought his name was Zazu...

@anitahscorner

3 жыл бұрын

...and that's on Zazu

This just happened in Springfield, Mo too. Neighbors called saying they were arguing; but the murderer said those exact words and nothing else. So he’s free right now and the other person can’t defend their self.

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

Are you gonna articulate any more facts and evidence or provide any links to this specific case? Or are you just gonna be like John Oliver throwing bullshit at the wall hoping that some of it will stick?

@aiRxShop

2 жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ for one, you’re supposed to be a big boy… tie up your methaphorical Google bootstraps and Google it yourself. I gave you all the facts to the circumstance. It was 12 days ago, so you have a date. I gave you the city…

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

@Erik McGreevy I did and a plethora of incidents popped up. Specifics please. If _you_ can't articulate your position then it's nothing more than a bs arbitrary opinion. Come on, be a big boy and support what you're saying.

@SarafinaSummers

7 ай бұрын

It seems that in Springfield, Missouri, guns have more rights than people.

@jakesoros2376

Ай бұрын

​@@_BenJaminCroft_ Unfortunately, these knuckleheads avoid case specifics like the Plague. Apparently a lot of John Oliver's fans are either criminals with long records, or unapologetically have family members with long criminal records.

The more I learn about the US, the more I don't want to go there and discourage others too unless absolutely necessary.

@gregblackburn4280

Жыл бұрын

Supreme...sounds good. We have enough idiots here already. Now what can you say to the 100K a day that try to enter illegally? Can you scare them from coming too?

@asymmetry9988

Жыл бұрын

Great! Please don't come here

@declanchalmers9679

Жыл бұрын

Racists patrolling this comment section eh?

@QP300

Жыл бұрын

@@gregblackburn4280, as long as you live in a country that was STOLEN from it's native inhabitants, you have no place talking about anyone "entering illegally"... That's some first class hypocrisy... I bet you the native Americans hate the fact, that their ancestors weren't tough on immigration and kicked the Europeans out when they first arrived...

@gregblackburn4280

Жыл бұрын

@@QP300 Another Leftist that hasn't picked up a history book. EVERY inch of the world was CONQUERED from the tribe that had it before. You aren't wrong though, about the Indians probably should have united rather than trading land for a couple of metal pots and paying the white man to kill the neighboring tribe for them. So what booster number are you on and will you wash your mask today?

The "How many guns fit in my hawaiian shirt" segment is one you'd expect to find on interdimensional cable tv

@HectorTWE

3 жыл бұрын

Aw jeez, Rick, that's an obscene amount of guns

@danzaman666

3 жыл бұрын

And all those handguns areincedibly inaccurate, some were single shot pistols and some were .22caliber which is a TINY caliber.

@alvinbiggsjr8351

3 жыл бұрын

🤣, reminds me of Rick and Morty.

@gagandeepsinghgrewal6032

3 жыл бұрын

@@danzaman666 is it non lethal?

@danzaman666

3 жыл бұрын

@@gagandeepsinghgrewal6032 the .22 caliber except for VERY rare cases would not be a lethal shot. On top of that the single shot ones he had youcojldnt hit a person without 5ft with ANY accuracy what some ever. They are for fun at the ranger to look at and go "cool". They are horrendous and in no way should be relied upon to do what firearm should. But why does that matter? The point of a firearm is to be lethal. If they arent then they are a bad firearm. I'm just pointing out using that guy at the beginning was strictly a scare tactic to try to get the audience on his side and be scared of big bad firearms.

that grandma nra president twist got me good

@avamasquerade

3 жыл бұрын

How so? She looks like a standard 1rst generation Karen.

@adrielsebastian5216

3 жыл бұрын

@@avamasquerade cause it seems that she did that through grassroots movement, instead of being the president of the biggest gun lobby in America (granted, I'm not American and have no idea about the presidents of the NRA aside from the current one)

@saiabhishek5228

3 жыл бұрын

now that is an M. Night Shyamalan level twist

@basicsimp8798

3 жыл бұрын

@@avamasquerade Not a 1st generation Karen. It's your typical Pro-gun loving republican.

@lp1645

3 жыл бұрын

If you're referring to me you're way wrong. 32 (f} and that's really happened. Have you ever had a police officer just tell you well maybe you should move? Do you have any idea how demeaning that is?

Viola Davis: “Welcome to How to Get Away With Murder-here’s your USCCA card. Class dismissed.”

The facts you so eloquently present make my stomach churn. Thank You Sir.

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

If you're thankful for how this _comedian,_ who hosts a _comedy show,_ so eloquently _generalizes_ the information he presents by reading it from a teleprompter, in order for it to fit into his comedic act, churned your stomach, then alright.

@x1625

2 жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ And now, acid reflux.

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

@@x1625 So if I'm understanding you correctly, generalized facts churned your stomach and actual facts gives you acid reflux, then it's safe to assume that your body can easily take in flat out lies.

There are two types of gun owners. One who prays they never have to use their gun, and one who prays they will get a chance to use their gun. It's the latter group that scares me, and Joe Horn is clearly a part of that category.

@tekbarrier

3 жыл бұрын

What about the third group who are in the middle

@angelamelinaraab4095

3 жыл бұрын

Joe Horn was definitely using that break-in as an excuse to kill someone. Also, when the news anchor said (I'm paraphrasing) "and they came at you" uhm no they didn't. That autopsy report said they were shot in the back. Fuckin ell

@mpkp2011

3 жыл бұрын

@@tekbarrier I definitely feel there is a strong middle. I own and carry a firearm, and have taken self defense style classes my whole life (shooting, boxing, MMA) and the number one rule is avoiding conflict. Do everything in your power to avoid direct conflict with anybody else, only defend yourself when you are absolutely forced to. When that time comes to actually draw you are damn right I won't hesitate to kill. You can't be of the mindset that you are trying to injure someone or simply stop a threat, that's what pepper spray is for, if you are at the point of pulling a *gun* you need to be willing to use it and have mentally prepared for what may unfold. It isn't pretty, life isn't a movie, you aren't a badass. Live your life and avoid hurting others unless they intend on hurting you

@silver3981

3 жыл бұрын

@tekbarrier I've found that people who claim to be in the middle are in the latter group and are trying to convince themselves they are not. Mpkp2011 above me proves that in the second half of their comment, with its lack of nuance.

@mpkp2011

3 жыл бұрын

@@silver3981 lol you think you know my beliefs because of a single youtube comment? How cute, you think you're a psychologist lmao. If you don't critically think about the impact of a weapon you possess then you really shouldn't own one.

For the home of the brave, there are a lot of people constantly "afraid for their life".

@MrCaturday

3 жыл бұрын

For the land of the free, there are a lot of people in prison. Highest incarceration rate per capita.

@hadoken95

3 жыл бұрын

All of the brave were killed in WW2.

@crem9607

3 жыл бұрын

Anyone who has to tell people they're brave, generally isn't.

@reyalsregnava

3 жыл бұрын

@@hadoken95 It was liberals that stormed the beaches. Conservatives were back in the mainland saying "stay out of it" and "maybe Germany's on to something".

@BSCTrainerRob

3 жыл бұрын

Yes afraid for their life so they defend themselves. As opposed to bravely allowing themselves to be murdered?

“A fight about how much a dog can weigh turns physical” sounds like the premise of a Tim Robinson sketch

That "contractions of the universe" is a pretty good dog whistle to everyone nerdy enough to know about "Universe collapse" theory

Man that shot the people on the next door house, he wasn't concerned for the neighbours. His attitude in the call and his tone says a lot. His posture after having killed two people in the video, show indeed he felt he got what he wanted. It's truly disturbing; met lots of psychos in the dark times with that same look.

@112313

3 жыл бұрын

would be a really different story if he is black.

@cozycasasmr4510

3 жыл бұрын

He seems like a total psychopath

@donmiller2908

3 жыл бұрын

"Man that shot the people on the next door house, he wasn't concerned for the neighbours" How do you know that? How can you possibly know what another person is thinking? By his attitude and his tone? Since you are always 100% accurate in your assessment of what people are thinking and how they are acting, you should sit in on police interrogations. Because of your special talent you could immediately tell if a suspect is lying or not, saving time and money in our court systems. Please consider this. The way I look at it is...He had his neighbors back. No one has the right to steal your property. When does it end? Let's say you needed to lose a few pounds, so you bought a bicycle. It was stolen and you called the cops. They wrote down the information because they arrived too late to stop the theft. What are the chances of you getting that bike back? So you buy another bike and it was stolen right out of your garage. When does it end? People will argue "A bike is just an object that can be replaced, it is not worth a human life". Well, how many times do I need to replace that bike? How much money do you think I have? Why is there so much sympathy for a thief that doesn't give a damn about you or your property? That thief doesn't care about me, my property or my family, he doesn't care how long I had to save to buy that bicycle, or if I'll ever be able to replace it. So why should I care about him? I'm not saying go hunt the man down, I'm saying that if a man comes onto your property to steal your belongings, you have a right to stop him from doing so. In the case of the man who shot his neighbors thieves, the same logic applies. He knew his neighbor, he knew the men who were next door didn't belong there. He protected the man's property.

@willzyxOfficial

3 жыл бұрын

@@donmiller2908 And stealing a bike deserves death? Because if not, there's no need for this law. As the 911 dispatcher said: no property is worth shooting somebody over. Even if at the end you say that's not what you mean, the rest of your message does imply that you think it's alright. No problem with stopping a thief, but bringing a gun is guaranteed misery.

@donmiller2908

3 жыл бұрын

@@willzyxOfficial - "no property is worth shooting somebody over" Property is only part of it. One must also consider another fine point of the law. Do you or don't you have the right to defend yourself and your property? As long as thieves are not armed and wish you no harm, should they be allowed to steal your property? Where does it end? When do you stand up and say "I am not going to take this anymore?" How many big screen televisions can you afford to buy? "No problem with stopping a thief, but bringing a gun is guaranteed misery" What if the thief doesn't wish to be stopped? What if he has an accomplice? The thief had no business and no right to be on your property. He gave up his right to be treated respectfully when he decided to steal from me rather than obtain gainful employment.

That dude with the Hawaiian shirt is definitely a GTA character. He probably has an RPG hidden under his hat

@jeyzeus

3 жыл бұрын

For real, what's up with guys in Hawaiian shirts? They want to give that "I'm chilled, I love to relax, I like sipping cold drinks in the shadow" vibe, but in reality, most of them are nuts.

@maldivirdragonwitch

3 жыл бұрын

Tommy Vercetti 30 years later.

@primodragoneitaliano

3 жыл бұрын

@Steven Harkness GTA VI: Florida ? xP

@-8_8-

3 жыл бұрын

He's from the GTA V hidden dlc.

@-8_8-

3 жыл бұрын

@@primodragoneitaliano that was vice city. And you know what, yeah there was a cop in VC wearing a shirt that was very similar. And there was a Hawaiian shirt for the protagonist.

Here's a great idea: Instead of giving guns to law enforcement officers, let's just give everyone a gun and let them handle disputes themselves, what could possibly go wrong?

@susanrichardson631

9 ай бұрын

It would definitely help with the population problem which, in return would help with the welfare and the social security problem, right.

Me - "why is KZread suggesting a 2 year old video I've already seen." John Oliver - "...stand your ground laws..." Me - "gahdammit"

@takeoats

2 ай бұрын

me right now :-7

I was a teenager and got lost in a neighborhood in Florida (I didn't have a phone with GPS back then those were JUST starting to be a thing). I ended up at a dead end and had to do a 3 point turn, of course that required the edge of a nearby driveway since the street was so tiny. Within seconds, a man with a shotgun started coming out the house (good thing it wasn't pointed at me) but I knew he thought that I was trying to "trespass" I just wanted to go the fuck home.... that memory still haunts me because this was a little bit before the Trayvon Martin case. I wasn't even aware such a law existed in that God forsaken state. To think, that I was almost a statistic because I got lost. I wasn't even lingering on the property, I was just shifting gears. These laws just enable Batman wannabes and police academy rejects to go out and shoot someone because they want to feel validation for owning a gun and exercising a 'MURICAN right.

@FeralFelineFriend

3 жыл бұрын

Shit, sorry that happened to you. Up here, whenever someone uses our driveway, we ask "who dat?" and they turn around we just shake our heads because the trailer park is a damn maze and the GPS isn't synced with the current addresses.

@demonbre

3 жыл бұрын

The USA is insane to have laws like this. Over here, in Serbia, things are pretty much reversed. If a burglar enters your house in the middle of the night, and you shoot him dead, there is a very strong possibility you will do a few years of prison time. Maybe somewhere there exists a happy medium.

@SpottedTiger89

3 жыл бұрын

Oh my goodness, that is sooo scary! So sorry that happened to you 😣 Florida is such a beautiful state, but it has pockets full of people that are ready to kill over the most minuscule thing. Thank goodness you lived to tell that story.

@armypenguin

3 жыл бұрын

Had he shot you and all that information were to come out in court he would have been charged with 2nd degree murder and not protected by the law fyi

@markiefufu

3 жыл бұрын

I think we've all used driveways and parking lots to turn around in. These paranoid FOX viewers are scared is everything! I don't even blink if someone uses our driveway to turn around in.

Joe Horn wanted to kill someone, let’s face it. He wanted desperately to be the hero and release some of his pent up rage

@OptimusP114

3 жыл бұрын

Bull shit

@tsrenis

3 жыл бұрын

@@OptimusP114 it's the truth and you know it.

@boodiddleydum927dumdiddley4

3 жыл бұрын

@@VoidBlack7873 I just think it’s cowardly to shoot someone in the back over material things

@jonjonson4826

2 жыл бұрын

@@VoidBlack7873 when I was 14 I stole a bike off someone's porch. I haven't stolen anything since then, over 20 years later. Should I have been shot and killed over my childish decision at 14?

@jonjonson4826

2 жыл бұрын

@@VoidBlack7873 I didn't learn a lesson that day. I got away with the bike and rode it for a couple years. I just grew up and realized how immature I was. Now I cook for homeless people and work in shelters. But according to you, it doesn't matter how much I've given to my community over the years since that age, I simply should have been shot and killed that day - as if people don't make mistakes and can't change their ways.

They don't deserve you mate, I know it's the best place to crusade for truth and justice, but we need you back home too.

I asked my uncle (police officer) if I felt threatened by police if I could stand my ground. He said "you can be right, or you can be dead right"

@danieljonhson6367

Жыл бұрын

Actually most states have laws against self defense against police officers.

@TheSundayShooter

Жыл бұрын

​@@danieljonhson6367 Example?

Base on the that 911 call from Joe Horn, the guy literary just wanted to kill someone, a true sociopath right there. Shoots them in the back too, how brave. Robbery is bad, needless to say, but murder is infinitely worse.

@hux2000

3 жыл бұрын

@Juan Tremblay Given that he was safe inside his home, which was not being robbed, and that he pretty clearly left that home in order to hunt down and kill the robbers, shooting them in the front instead of the back changes my opinion from "he should most definitely be charged with murder" to "he should almost certainly be charged with murder".

@Raziel312

3 жыл бұрын

@Juan Tremblay Shooting them in the front would at least mean they were attacking him and were a threat to him. The fact that they were shot in the back means they probably didn't even know he was there until holes started opening in their chests and they wondered why.

@GMbowtie350

3 жыл бұрын

@@Raziel312 How about if you don’t wanna get shot at all, don’t break into people’s houses. Can we agree on that?

@remliqa

3 жыл бұрын

@@GMbowtie350 Even if someone broke into your (or my ) home, it would be hard to justify shooting them in the back.

@GG-vl9xq

3 жыл бұрын

@@GMbowtie350 even the law wouldn't give them the death penalty for robbery. So why should robbery mean getting shot?

My mom's a vet and she confirms that John's veterinary science terminology is, in fact, 100% accurate.

@dadikkedude

3 жыл бұрын

What about giant dogs that have more in common with small horses than mice?

@AndreAckermann

3 жыл бұрын

@@dadikkedude I think that's more on the small horses than the large dogs tbh 🤣

@astoerbrauck

3 жыл бұрын

@@dadikkedude Better don't ask that the wrong person, John just told us what could happen!

@astoerbrauck

3 жыл бұрын

But the question is not only, what kind of dog, it also has to do with its diet.

@Lisa-th7rm

3 жыл бұрын

If only there was a convenient tool that unlocked the answers to every obscure question... Oh, yeah Wikipedia says Zorba, an English Mastiff weighed 345 lbs.

"Get-out-of-jail-free complexion" is a solid joke lol

I am a black man. One day, I went to the St. Augustine Lighthouse in Florida. I asked for a ticket to climb to the top of the lighthouse. The ticket lady said that I was too late because they were about to close. I said "alright." Then, all of the sudden, she had this scared look on her face and printed me a ticket anyway. Here's another one. I was running to catch up to a rare military freight train, so that I could film it. There happened to be two women further down the street. They saw me running and started running because they thought I was chasing them. Because of stand your ground laws, these are two scenarios where I could've been shot because some racist white woman was afraid of a black man. There are stereotypes about us being more violent, having shorter tempers and being more violent. I wish people would think before passing laws like this.

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 ай бұрын

Yet it didn't. So stop your bitchin. If you think you're by yourself in situations like that, then you're crazy.

@Hitesh_for_2100

23 күн бұрын

That sucks, man. :(

As a European, every episode is like: "WTF USA?"

@6324MR

3 жыл бұрын

@@edgeofthemap4842 The people who were lynched would probably have been ok even advocated laws that let them defend themselves since you know they were being lynched.

@orionide4032

3 жыл бұрын

@@6324MR the 60s called and wants its crimes back.

@orionide4032

3 жыл бұрын

As a European i am very jealous that Americans can defend themselves. While here the government has a monopoly on violence. Lets keep ignoring the bloodiest century in human history and just blame it on peoples ideas, instead that the state has too much power and humans should never have that much power. Merkel could kill tens of millions of people at the stroke of her pen but we just trust that wont happen anymore... Id rather have a shooting once in a while than a military invading countries and creating millions of refugees. or my country being the second largest arms dealers and selling it to dictators while i cant even own a gun to defend myself.

@weareallbornmad410

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, this thread is full of idiots. Crime problem my ass. Fix your poverty levels and you won't have a crime problem. US Americans can "defend themselves"? On an unrelated note, US Americans can be murdered with impunity for bogus reasons. I honestly can't tell if these people are stupid or actively malicious.

@hotbeefo

3 жыл бұрын

@@weareallbornmad410 why not both

I appreciate John using the American term in this piece for what his language more commonly knows as a "Rooty Tooty Point N Shooty"

@Stehako

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the name Flula Borg would give a gun.

@moyo6606

3 жыл бұрын

I like it because it sounds like something I would order at Dennys at 2am

@checkmyprofile6209

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/lYaKpbqIo7yWgbA.html

@arunkhanna2496

3 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of Brian Regan’s bit on Walkie Talkies. Hilarious. 😆

@thany3

3 жыл бұрын

What does Rooty Tooty mean though?

Here's a fun story for you which, for the record, I can personally confirm is true. A friend of mine was sitting in the passenger seat of his brother's car and a third man walked up to the passenger side window and pointed a gun at my friend's brother. My friend, obviously fearing for his life, fired one round through the door and hit him. The man who had been shot survived, and managed to get back to his car and drive away. My friend and his brother called the police and filed a report, including the license plate of the man's car. When the police found the man, he had gotten rid of his gun, so the police didn't charge him. Instead, my friend is serving eight years for felonious assault and improper handling of a firearm, because as far as the police are concerned, he shot an unarmed man without provocation. The craziest thing? If the man had died, his gun would have been lying next to his body, and my friend would have been found not guilty for reasons of self defense. Yeah. You read that right. My friend is in prison because he *didn't* kill a man. Hooray for America's gun laws.

@_BenJaminCroft_

Жыл бұрын

Proof?

@CMGThePerson

9 ай бұрын

​@@_BenJaminCroft_You never provide it

@_BenJaminCroft_

9 ай бұрын

​@CMGThePerson Yes, I do.

@CMGThePerson

9 ай бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ Provide it then

@_BenJaminCroft_

9 ай бұрын

​@@CMGThePerson Just read your previous posts.

Once, back before such laws, a young black man snatched a six pack of beer from me while I was using a pay phone in Dekalb County Georgia. I called the police who apprehended the thief. At the station, while filling out the complaint, I made the offhand comment that it was lucky that I didn't have a gun as I would be in jail. The officer replied, "If you'd have shot that n***** we'd have predated a pistol permit for you." I now have a valid concealed carry permit. At the time I took the class we were told of our duty to retreat. Unfortunately Tennessee has since abdicated this duty and allowed concealed carry without a permit. I like Gunsmoke, but I don't wish to live in Dodge City.

Why was Horn talking about “defending himself” and how he might get killed when he was inside his own home, the robbers had no idea he was there, the police were on the way, and the robbery was happening in a different house???

@_BenJaminCroft_

3 жыл бұрын

Because he was going to go outside and confront them. It was a ballsy move and luckily he came out on top.

@This_comeback_is_personal

3 жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ wait,... i have heard of a specific group of people that are allowed to do this....OH YES, IT IS THE POLICE!!!! The old psycho just wanted to kill someone. He should at least be sentenced for murder. People like him are the reason america is so fucked up in some places.

@ltanksley1

3 жыл бұрын

Male privilege and his desire to commit murder.

@_BenJaminCroft_

3 жыл бұрын

@@This_comeback_is_personal Uh no. When seconds count and help is minutes away, what do you do?

@lucariojf

3 жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ you stay INSIDE your own house. The call implies he had a good view of them and they weren't none the wiser of him watching. He isn't on the right for defending property that isn't even his.

Marion Hammer’s story about her alleged experience in the parking garage, had so many holes, and unanswered questions. It’s the perfect example of how the Marion Hammers of the world view themselves, and how they view other people. It’s absolutely maddening how only a certain demographic have exclusive access to these rights here in the US. Makes me beyond angry 😡

@_BenJaminCroft_

Жыл бұрын

Regardless if what happened to her is true or not, she helped change self defense laws for the better.

@boldiegoldie

Жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ well yes, but actually no

@_BenJaminCroft_

Жыл бұрын

@boldiegoldie In what way did her changing self-defense laws not be for the better?

@boldiegoldie

Жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ because it allows you to shoot anyone and if you say the *magic words* you can avoid all consequences. Shit like this makes me glad i dont live in the US

@_BenJaminCroft_

Жыл бұрын

@boldiegoldie No. If that's how you think it is, then you'll end up in prison like that guy arguing over dogs. Yes. John Oliver makes it sound like the guy who shot and killed someone, over an argument about dogs, just walked away scott-free because he claimed self-defense afterwards. But here in reality, the guy who killed Scott Beary and claimed self-defense was charged and sentenced guilty to involuntary manslaughter in the first degree. He was sentenced to prison for 5 years, where he currently resides, and he will never be allowed to legally own a firearm ever again. Remember that John Oliver is a comedian hosting a comedy show, *generalizing* information read from a teleprompter, in order for it to fit into his comedic act. I like this show too, but it seriously needs to be taken with a grain of salt. And please know and understand what it is you're talking about before you start opening your mouth next time.

It's obvious that man wanted to kill those two people. And to be considered a hero amongst cheers and clapping is horrific.

@_BenJaminCroft_

4 ай бұрын

Horn was 100% morally and legally justified in his actions.

17:15 "You know people are scared of you" My man in the back's reaction is so telling.

@Aedrion-

3 жыл бұрын

I know right? The others in the room are looking at her like they're relatives of Tucker Carlson and that one guy is just like 'Omg wtf' in the background.

@musicauthority7828

3 жыл бұрын

I can see that Woman's point of view, but it's not exclusive to black people. it's huge problem in society today people form opinions of other's without any reason. way too many people look at the cover of the book without even opening it.

@karengummer6657

3 жыл бұрын

I grew up in the 60s in Baltimore and was literally taught to fear black people. I know it's an irrational fear, but when I'm out walking my dog in a mixed neighborhood, I still get uneasy and have to consciously berate myself. All white people need to constantly tell themselves not to fear black people. We are all humans first. And sadly, until things change, black kids still need The Talk. I suspect it will be another 100 years till it levels out

@juho5282

3 жыл бұрын

@@musicauthority7828 I'm not in any way disputing that claim but can you name any particular instance that doesn't relate to race?

@musicauthority7828

3 жыл бұрын

@@karengummer6657 I was driving across Country once. and made a mistake and ended up in an all black neighborhood. I felt uneasy and calmly got back out of there. but can't say if anything would have happened had I made contact with anyone. but I'm sure it wouldn't be any different for a black person that ended up in a white neighborhood.

In the last clip with the Rep. talking about her face being threatening, just notice the black and the white guy's reactions in the background. This is indicative of the whole situation. Amazed how John didn't comment on it.

@MyAramil

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes, you dont need to mention something that is obvious, such as if there is a piece of paper flapping inches away from you

@Srikstar

3 жыл бұрын

@istorian Yeah..I noticed that too. Two men but completely opposite reactions. That's the story of today's USA🙏

@rneumeye

3 жыл бұрын

Mr. Oliver does have alot to to pack into just 20 min. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@paulcooper8818

3 жыл бұрын

I can't tell what they are thinking, but I can probably guess their vote

@RyanPurcell

3 жыл бұрын

They looked so frightened, I'm surprised she wasn't shot right there on the House floor Family Guy style. [Blam] "I was scared for my life."

It made her angry. The level of despicable mindset that is this behavior is amazing. So... Someone said something to you. That's when you drew your weapon? To shoot them? And you being guilty of using deadly force made you angry? Imagine the first amendment. To misinterpret the second amendment so you can kill someone exercising their first amendment, just because you disliked what they said, or they themselves... Is beyond stupid. This is typical American Entitlement.

@jakemartinez6894

3 ай бұрын

Descyphal Have you bothered to look into the actual details of the case, or are you just making up your own story…

@Descyphal

3 ай бұрын

I'm not sure. I haven't seen(or replied) to this video in nearly 3 years.@@jakemartinez6894

'Now I can't take a chance getting killed over this ok' then proceeds to walk out of his house with a shotgun to assert himself into the situation for no apparent reason other than finally having the chance he seemingly was waiting for to kill someone.

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

It's known as the Non-Aggression Principle. If force is initiated against you and/or your property, you have a moral right to use equal if not greater force to defend your person/property. And you can do this *ex parte or third party as well,* because the Non-Aggression Principle is universal. In Texas, *Texas Penal Code, Chapter 9, Subchapter D: "Protection of Property"; Sec. 9.41, 9.42, & 9.43* falls perfectly in line with this principle; and medical reports and bullet forensics show that they were shot in the torso and there was a cop already there that witnessed one of them rush towards Horn. Furthermore, these two _criminals_ were illegal aliens too. Horn was 100% morally and legally justified in his actions.

“If Bobby Hill grew up and sucked” had me dying.

@that1s3curityguard26

3 жыл бұрын

So just, if Bobby Hill grew up? Lol

@Santoryu90

3 жыл бұрын

@@that1s3curityguard26 Naw Bobby Hill would’ve grew up to be a much better man

@that1s3curityguard26

3 жыл бұрын

@@Santoryu90 idk, I can totally see Bobby gunning someone down while screaming, “that’s my purse, idk you!”

@that1s3curityguard26

3 жыл бұрын

@The Lonely Shepherd no he’s dead. I just got back from the funeral. So sad, so sad.

It's so terrifying because you can tell that some of these people straight up just can't WAIT to commit murder and get away with it. They aren't afraid, they're psyched. It's insane.

@brianrodriguez7057

3 жыл бұрын

And people still continue to argue that the PURGE couldn't happen IRL if it was presented...

@MrGert150

3 жыл бұрын

Would you say a minority or majority think that way?

@hanfmann17

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrGert150 Hm, i wonder. If just a few would start it, legally. Some would follow, in fear of their life. Snowball effect. And after a few times it is "normal".

@brianrodriguez7057

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrGert150 That's where it gets tricky to pin down. You'll have the obvious out and proud gun owners, but they'll also be the quiet psychopaths who will surprise you.

@MrGert150

3 жыл бұрын

@@hanfmann17 what?

The problem with the law is that you can be the agitator of the conflict and still claim that you were standing your ground

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 ай бұрын

The devil is always in the details. For example that guy arguing over dogs. John Oliver makes it sound like the guy who shot and killed someone over an argument about dogs, then just walked away scott-free because he claimed self-defense. But in reality, both parties involved were at fault. The guy who killed Scott Beary and claimed self-defense was charged and sentenced guilty to involuntary manslaughter in the first degree. He was sentenced to prison for 5 years, where he currently resides, and he will never be allowed to legally own a firearm ever again. Good, smart, sane, responsible, law-abiding gun owners take stand your ground very seriously, and if you are gonna use stand your ground for some piss-poor excuse like this, you _are_ gonna pay the consequences for it. *Period.* This is the 1%'er club. One slip and you're out. And keep in mind that John Oliver is a comedian hosting a comedy show, *generalizing* information read from a teleprompter, in order for it to fit into his comedic act. I like this show too, but it seriously needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

@kempolar9768

2 ай бұрын

​@@_BenJaminCroft_just scrolling through comments for like 2 mins and I've seen you leave easily more than 10 replies. Roughly 3-4 main things that you just copy paste to different people. You care too much, this is actively taking a significant amount of time out of your day. Go outside.

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 ай бұрын

@@kempolar9768 Because virtually every person keeps posting or replying the same damn thing over and over again. Hence, the copy paste. It always boils down to it no matter what. They're so predictable its pathetic. Villains who twirl their mustaches are easy to spot. Those who cloak themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged. Waiting for the right climate in which to flourish, spreading fear in the name of righteousness. _Vigilance._ That is the price I am willing to continuously pay.

@kempolar9768

2 ай бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ ok so now I see you're just an edgy kid inspired by batman, though weirdly focused on guns. Must be one heck of a disappointing life.

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 ай бұрын

@@kempolar9768 Not an argument. And thank you for proving my point. 🤦‍♂

I am so grateful that Iowa tries to account for that. If you are out in the open or not in the building where the threat is present (ie. if you're out at the pumps when the cashier is held up inside the station) you aren't allowed to legally claim you were protected under SYG if you drew your gun and went into the building. Now if they pull the gun on you or the cashier when you're inside and can't reasonably get to the door or exercise a duty to retreat in a way that wouldn't endanger yourself? Then its a different story. It isn't perfect, but I do support Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine. But with the US history of systemic oppression and discrimination, they are laws that need to be carefully considered and much more carefully considered in how they are worded and implemented.

@9ninrninr947

2 жыл бұрын

Oh soo close to a decent comment on a John Oliver video. One of the rarest of gems. Too bad you had to close with the same ol' pointless buzzwords....SOMEONE STOP DA SYSTEMATIC SYSTEMIC INSTITUTIONAL OPPRESSION DISCRIMINATION!!

@brairag5744

2 жыл бұрын

@@9ninrninr947 you not believing in the provable history of systems of power being used to oppress people doesn't mean it isn't real (and still affecting things today). How is it one of your favorite talking heads always says it? I remember, something like: "Facts don't care about your feelings." And the terms are only pointless to you because you refuse to actually listen to what is being discussed.

@9ninrninr947

2 жыл бұрын

@@brairag5744 Then why are you using EXCLUSIVELY your own irrational feelings to "justify" your cliche buzzword salad? No one ever said there wasn't " interinstructional institutions of systematic systemic racisms" IN THE PAST, but you don't live in the past. You're in modern western society, where you have to actively run from real information to cling desperately to your hypocritically bigoted delusions. You don't see that as an issue? That you have to ignore most of everything, just in general, just so you can keep insisting that certain people are inherently less than you. Pssst. Thats just you creating more REAL racism....But tell me all about the "disproportionate punishment" you "discovered" with the phrase "white and blk people use marijuana at simlar rates", which you misinterpreted into all drugs, and then even further into all crimes, and then somehow came to a conclusion of unfair treatment based solely on skin colors and outcomes while purposefully ignoring all real realvent factors like multiple charges, past criminal histories, plea bargaining, cooperation, and a loooong list of more that ACTUALLY matter in a criminal trial more than your own FEELINGS about colors...Or just run because you couldn't understand anything I just said, which also proves the point. Bra, you'll never get anywhere by depending on buzzwords, that only confuses the geniuses with like minded feelings. Sorry.

The South Park "they're coming right for us" episode came out in 1997. Eight years later Florida took that meme and made it a law that people could use to excuse murder.

@Shuizid

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong - "they're coming for us" implies an actual threat and hence would be self-defense. SYG-laws take it a step further, not it's "I FEAR they could be coming for us".

@Elkator955

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shuizid The joke in the South Park episode was that there was no actual threat.

@Azarath304

3 жыл бұрын

Says a sheep from a well protected flock who never met a wolf their entire life. You who have never been beaten, raped or robbed have no right to talk about self defense. You should go back to talking trash about the police who risk their life protecting you because your master tells you to.

@alalalala57

3 жыл бұрын

@@Azarath304 All flocks should be well protected. Or are you saying you're a wolf preying on others?

@Elkator955

3 жыл бұрын

@@Azarath304 Says the guy with the get-out-of-jail-free complexion.

Sadly, I've worked with a lot of people who seemed rabid about these kinds of laws -- they WANT somebody to break into their house or attack them so they can shoot them. They had an almost fetishistic desire for this to happen. It's legit scary.

@Dimetropteryx

3 жыл бұрын

Self-defense nuts and preppers are very much alike in that regard.

@johnthemangood8700

3 жыл бұрын

Because they want to feel like heroes because they're lives have no meaning

@LividImp

3 жыл бұрын

They got to vicariously get even with their middle school bully somehow.

@KrusteyDaKlown

3 жыл бұрын

This is very true about these nuts.

@acarroll1714

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnthemangood8700 exactly. All lives don't matter and shouldn't. Case and point. Good call.

This is why you have so many Emmys 😊I love you

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

Remember that John Oliver is a comedian, hosting a comedy show and generalizing information read from a teleprompter. I like this show too, but it seriously needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

There needs to be serious rules attached to this. This law is to easy to abuse.

"They eat the eggs of other birds. That's robbery and murder" - A woman who probably gets the Wild West Omelette from Denny's every Sunday

@deadmansfire

3 жыл бұрын

I get you, but the eggs we eat are not fertilised ,so it's not murder.

@luwer8880

3 жыл бұрын

@@deadmansfire lol that's not entirely true. Some eggs are fertilised and you can sometimes clearly see the embryo in the egg yolk. Also, should it not be included in this debate that abortions with humans are legally not murder anyhow, so by that logic eating fertilized eggs doesn't even qualify.

@DaybreakPT

3 жыл бұрын

At least you can't say she's a cannibal.

@warlordpaul1

3 жыл бұрын

@@deadmansfire Yeah. We are just shredding new born male chicks in the production process. But eating fertilised eggs would be murder...

@paulovinasrocha6166

3 жыл бұрын

@@DaybreakPT what a low bar 😂

That 911 call makes it completely obvious what this is about. These guys just want an excuse to kill someone.

@sesmeltz1965

3 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what it was, and it was unconscionable. And it had absolutely nothing to do with stand your ground, as that law would not have protected him. A different Texas law applied, one that is much more widely criticized, allowing the use of deadly force to stop criminal mischief in the nighttime. While questionably lawful, it was morally an obvious premeditated murder.

@jefferyduke6532

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Also, shouldn't there have to be some sort of...you know, EVIDENCE that he was attacked by his neighbor?

@manulito2

3 жыл бұрын

What I'm wondering about, is that sometimes people have to deal with PTSD after shooting someone. Like, even police have to do theraphy in some cases, after they killed a perpetrator. How can people, like that old fart, be like "Yea, I killed someone, and I'm proud of it". Possibly he already was in a war and learned to kill, but do you actually feel save, knowing that they're people living in your society who seem to have no moral quarrel or mental aftereffects from taking a life?

@namehere1772

3 жыл бұрын

That guy really did want to shoot someone. I just don't understand how he wasn't prosecuted for it. First off, it wasn't his property so he had no legal right to defend it. Secondly, he put himself in the situation, and while he may no longer have a duty to retreat, he certainly doesn't have to right to start a conflict. Lastly, even if that reporter said "they came towards you", the investigation found that he shot them in the back, which belies the "i felt threatened" response. What is lacking, and desperately needed, it a standard by which to judge. "I felt threatened" is far too vague of a concept. There should be no excuse, ever, to shoot an unarmed person. Imagine a world where you can just shoot anyone because you are afraid of a fist fight.

@MinionOfCthulhu

3 жыл бұрын

@@manulito2 it’s easy for some people, because they don’t see some people as, well, people.

Man, do you have shows in other countries??? HUMANITY NEEDS THIS EVERYWHERE!!!

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that John Oliver is a comedian hosting a comedy show, _generalizing_ information read from a teleprompter in order for it to fit into his comedic act. I like this show too, but it seriously needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

@peterbalogh2646

2 жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ On the one hand I agree, you are right. On the other hand, this style of criticism is what reaches people. You can state how shitty things are, you can write a study about the insanity of the system, and all the 0.1% of the population will understand your point. However, all that sh1t spiced with humor ends up in an entertaining show, but the essence might stay. I am from Hungary, and I just hope that the HBO might start such show there. Sadly though, there is nothing else I have hope for...

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterbalogh2646 It's that 99.9% that takes this "sh!t spiced with humor" _literally,_ is what staggers my imagination. Utilizing "comedy" in order to influence a broader audience about the essence of gun control, is such a lousy, shoddy, substandard method of the greatest magnitude. _Think critically and utilize the scientific method!_ Oh wait. 99.9% of people who watch these kinds of videos don't do that. smh... That's when people like me, the 0.1%, come in. ;-)

@peterbalogh2646

2 жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ About gun control... I'll be Switzerland on that. It is not right how it is at the moment, but I am far from the level of understanding necessary to take a side or even formulate an opinion. But the show itself has value, and it is doing what it has to do. I have no doubt that it is a very useful tool, and the lack of such takes its toll on countries where it is not played.

@_BenJaminCroft_

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterbalogh2646 I agree that this show has value and it's doing what it's supposed to do. However, what it's doing is sending the wrong message, via comedy, in order to easily manipulate people into believing what it's talking about to be true. For example, John Oliver makes it sound like the guy who shot and killed someone, over an argument about dogs, then just walked away scott-free because he claimed self-defense afterward. When in fact, both parties involved were at fault. The guy who killed Scott Beary and claimed self-defensee was charged and sentenced guilty to involuntary manslaughter in the first degree. He was sentenced to prison for 5 years, where he currently resides, and he will never be allowed to legally own a firearm ever again. Here in the US we take firearms very seriously. The law and the courts have made it crystal clear that if you foolishly use your gun in asinine situations like this one, you _will_ be held accountable. Period. This is what I'm talking about. The 99.9% of people who listen to John's rhetoric, his generalization of information in order to fit it into his comedic act, take it at face value and actually believe it to be true just because he's funny. Especially on such a polarizing, controversial, and political topic. Again, I like this show too, but it seriously needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

As a gun owner whose wife defended herself (without shooting the perp) at our rural property which was so far out it took the cops a half hour to arrive I'm fine with SYG but it like all laws requires ETHICAL ENFORCEMENT. Let's value innocent people of course, but remember criminals are vermin. Humanity is a brutal species and we cannot rely on the kindness of our enemies. If you are not armed there is NO self-defense against a physically superior or armed assailant. That's reality too. Dead innocents matter but let's not pretend dead assailants matter. The vast, VAST majority of American firearms disturb no one. When we had better citizens we could have high school shooting clubs. Marion Hammer and friends are not the problem. BTW if ever involved in a self-defense situation the first person to call is your lawyer because laypersons cannot navigate the incredibly complex legal system. The police are not your friends (see the many lawyer videos explaining why in exquisite detail for why).

"They came towards you and you shot them." "Yessir. Shot 'em both in the back."

@whitneynelson9124

3 жыл бұрын

My head hurts from understanding what was quoted.

@bentonthrasher1194

3 жыл бұрын

If the criminals didn't decide to be criminals and do criminal things like break laws like criminals then they wouldn't have had serious things happen to them like criminals do, you know being arrested or shot, like criminals.

@PlatoonGoon

3 жыл бұрын

@@bentonthrasher1194 The most idiotic thing about what you said might be the fact it's a single run-on sentence separated by commas.

@Ryan-vb6jb

3 жыл бұрын

It is possible they turned to run, when they saw the gun.

@getawayfromme44

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ryan-vb6jb are they a threat to you when running away?

What's amazing is that every time I see John Oliver, I think yeah baby, "That bird is fine."

@KirillTheBeast

3 жыл бұрын

underrated comment rite there

@aliyaforever2254

3 жыл бұрын

Me too!! 😂

@tyneshaceasar9172

3 жыл бұрын

I see you Lesley!!!!

@kylestubbs8867

3 жыл бұрын

He _is_ a B-plus bird.

@lesleyghostdragon3149

3 жыл бұрын

@@kylestubbs8867 LOL : )

Been 6 months. Time for a part 2 John.

Even a year later, this episode is especially poignant considering the attacks on Ralph Yarl and Kaylin Gillis. If it wasn't clear then how dangerous Stand Your Ground laws are, they should be now.

@_BenJaminCroft_

Жыл бұрын

In the US you are more likely to kill yourself or injure yourself with a gun vs being accidentally killed or injured by someone else with a gun.

@hayleymolson4446

Жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ [ citation needed ]

@_BenJaminCroft_

Жыл бұрын

@@hayleymolson4446 CDC

@hayleymolson4446

Жыл бұрын

@@_BenJaminCroft_ According to the Pew Research Center, "Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2020, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (24,292), while 43% were murders (19,384), according to the CDC." (1) So, you are correct for 2020. Since it is from 2020, your comment is outdated. Until new statistics reports come out, your claim cannot be verified. Within the Pew Research Report, graphs using CDC data demonstrate a marked increase in gun related deaths since 2016. (2) That Said, your comment could be considered a red herring fallacy given it detracts from the original argument made by John Oliver. Furthermore, your claim fails to address my original statement. By referencing recent gun related violence, I am pointing out that John Oliver's original monologue is just as important to be discussed today as it was when it originally aired. As such, your reply comes across as an attempt to shut down discussion. Despite, interestingly enough, the majority of Americans wanting gun laws to be addressed.(3) 1. John Gramlich, "What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S", Pew Research Center, February 2023, www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ 2. ibid. 3. Megan Brennen, "Dissatisfaction With U.S. Gun Laws Hits New High," Gallup, February 2023, news.gallup.com/poll/470588/dissatisfaction-gun-laws-hits-new-high.aspx

@torresayon2141

Жыл бұрын

​@@_BenJaminCroft_ no response huh? What, did this guy finally manage to shut you up?

I'm reminded of the murder of Jordan Davis, shot while he sat in the back seat of a car in a fuel station. Instigating factor was supposedly loud music. Ultimately, the murderer's "stand your ground" defense failed completely, although factors working against him included that he never called 911, and that his own girlfriend (who was a witness to the crime) testified against his claims that Jordan might have had a gun. Subtract his girlfriend, and add in a 911 call in which he reads from the script, and it's easy to see this murderer evading his life sentence.

@m.degroot6837

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/pYp6wbWlqtuoepc.html&ab_channel=JCS-CriminalPsychology The guy never seemed to think of the possibility that he might have done something wrong

@thereckoner30

3 жыл бұрын

That's not how stand your ground laws work. You need an objective reason of great bodily harm and a subjective reason. He may have thought that he was in danger or fear for his life which would be subjective. But objectively his life was not at all in danger. Unlike how John Oliver would have you believe he would not be able to get away with it whith just a subjective reason. The reason the man in the video wasn't charged could be because of jury nullification. Where the jury found him not guilty even though he was very much guilty.

@wh0racle3

3 жыл бұрын

lol he would've never got away with it. The cops immediately knew he was lying. He would've never got away with it they didn't even have a gun.

@googiegress7459

2 жыл бұрын

@@thereckoner30 If that's the case, how did the guy get off who left his home and went to go shoot a couple guys in the back? He was safe in his home, not in any objective danger. I think you're ignoring that the way the law is actually enforced is not the same as the way it's written or how a reasonable person would enforce it.

@peachylady

2 жыл бұрын

He would have never evaded a conviction. There were multiple witnesses besides his fiance and the evidence spoke for its self.

"So these criminals walked backwards towards me. I had to shoot. I was fearful for my toes."

@republicansthatdidntvotefo1605

3 жыл бұрын

I got a gun, I'm in a standard ground state.. it's a win win for me.. Who can I pick a fight with? Hopefully somebody without another gun...

@thahirshibu5042

3 жыл бұрын

@@republicansthatdidntvotefo1605 anyone who supports republicans? my glock wants to talk to you

@slicric131

3 жыл бұрын

@@republicansthatdidntvotefo1605 if you’re gonna pick a fight, at least pick a fight with an ACTUAL criminal. You gonna miss them?

@MilloSpiegel

3 жыл бұрын

@@republicansthatdidntvotefo1605 my guess would be someone that is walking towards you that is giving you the side eye. That was you know they are up to some shit

@MsScarletwings

3 жыл бұрын

@@republicansthatdidntvotefo1605 So you agree that these SYG laws basically a get out of jail free card for unprovoked homicide under the right circumstances and that their supporters are trigger happy sociopaths?

NRA Goons: "STAND YOUR GROUND LAWS SHOULD NOT BE REPEALED" Black Folks: "Okay, then we'll just buy guns en masse to protect ourselves." NRA Goons: "Yo hold up"

@davidgrover5996

2 жыл бұрын

Back here in reality minorities particularly Black people make the majority of self defense claims in the United States.

@schloughed

2 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about?

@swarnimvajpai6373

2 жыл бұрын

@@schloughed don't you know about the black panthers?

@schloughed

2 жыл бұрын

@@swarnimvajpai6373 tell me more

@swarnimvajpai6373

2 жыл бұрын

@@schloughed Upon its inception the Black Panther Party's core practice was its open carry armed citizens' patrols ("copwatching") to monitor the behavior of officers of the Oakland Police Department and challenge police brutality in the city. In 1967, the Mulford Act was passed by the California legislature and signed by governor Ronald Reagan. The bill was crafted in response to members of the Black Panther Party who were copwatching. The bill repealed a law that allowed the public carrying of loaded firearms. So it was only when they started to arm themselves that the government decided to act and not when there were people killing black people for no reason (such as lynchings) and police brutality being rampant.

17:48 "Applied unevenly" is incorrect. The facts of each circumstance were fundamentally different. One occurred driving in traffic on a public road, the other the shooter's own fenced private property. One occurred in Michigan, the other in Texas. One involved road rage, the other involved criminal trespass and theft. One involved brandishing a weapon and pointing it as a threat while in public, the other involved aiming and shooting with no danger to the public or persons off the property. The Michigan case showed the woman's actions were seen by others as a threat to public safety, whereas the Texas man's actions were a benefit to public safety. It's an apple and orange comparison.

When the black woman explains that people on that building are afraid of her because of her color, the one other black person in the screen is also the only one who laughs, with that "yep, know the feeling" laugh. That is kinda funny and very sad at the same time...

@pushista9322

3 жыл бұрын

Many black people have more weight and louder voices than white people. I'm rather quiet and physically weak. Any person like that would make me feel uncomfortable.

@MrOzzification

3 жыл бұрын

And those same white people would tell you that they don't see colour or that systemic racism doesn't exist.

@musicauthority7828

3 жыл бұрын

I can see that woman's point, but it's not exclusive to black people. it's a serious problem in society today people form opinions of other's for little and or no reason. they look at the cover of the book and don't even open it.

@alexandervillar7742

3 жыл бұрын

@@pushista9322 wtf? There is so much wrong with what you said. Aslo, why are you uncomfortable with people's voices that's a you problem not them.

@SuperNytube

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexandervillar7742 exactly, people like that have guns and that’s the problem. If he’s scared of full sized adults with big voices, become a shut-in, it might save a life.