your presentation is amazing! please keep the reviews coming!

@TrophyWineHunter

Жыл бұрын

mehmet: thank you for viewing my video and your kind comment. I think you are too kind as I think my video presentation is pretty lousy but I am glad my viewers put up with me! Please like and keep watching. Cheers!

I've had them both and like them equally as much. Stags' Leap Wineries Cabernet Sauvignon goes for about 55-60 dollars per bottle here in Pittsburgh. You do a very nice job with the review. Keep them coming.

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

Stephen: thank you for viewing my video and your kind comments. Please like, subscribe and keep watching! Cheers!

Very informative. Thank you.

@TrophyWineHunter

Жыл бұрын

Jeff: thank you for viewing my video and taking time to leave a comment. Please like, subscribe and keep watching! Cheers!

Thanks for making this video! I too learnt about the difference only recently after stumbling upon Stags’ Leap Cab 2017 at the supermarket mistakenly thinking it was Stag’s Leap Wine Cellars, the one that won the Judgement of Paris. What ensued was an interesting read and your video does bring it to life :) That said I will be giving it a try nonetheless!

@TrophyWineHunter

Жыл бұрын

Docbyday: thank you for viewing my video. I was not aware of this until another subscriber pointed it out, which make me think most consumers don't know the difference. Confusing part is both were started at the same time and both are very high quality wineries. Please like, subscribe and keep watching! Cheers!

@pilsplease7561

2 ай бұрын

Stags leap wine cellars won the judgement the other stags leap is really a imposter who got the legal rights to use the name as well despite being established later and makes lower quality wines

It takes patience to digest your comments especially there are so many wine 🍷 reviewers who love quick roll-outs these days. But I find this episode indeedly insightful. I like 👍both of them in different occasions.

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

E L: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. Yes, I think people find my videos almost like a seminar. Sorry, not a quick hit but I try to get into some depth as to each wine. Please like, subscriber and keep watching! Cheers!

Very lovely to see! I am a HUGE fan of the Artemis label! 😍 I’ve enjoyed two of these before.

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

M.P: I think Artemis 2018 needs a few more years but you can see the quality in its youth already. Cheers!

@MeandYouHello

2 жыл бұрын

Had the 2018 it was very sharp

@MeandYouHello

2 жыл бұрын

Try Silver Oak 2017 Alexander Valley Cabernet S.

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeandYouHello thanks for viewing my video and your comment. Do you mean 2018 Artemis. If by sharp you mean very tannic and a little unbalanced, I agree. I think it needs a lot of time....perhaps another 5 years before it reaches its drinking window. Please like, subscribe and keep watching! Cheers!

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeandYouHello haven't had Silver Oak for many years. Getting a bit pricey. In our market a good $40 more than Artemis so pretty high end for Alexander Valley. Yes, I should try in the future if I get a chance. Cheers!

the 2017 bottle is on sale at LCBO, this has me tempted to try

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

Alvin: thank you for viewing my video. Please like, subscribe and keep watching! Cheers!

I'm going to a tasting this same day that has the Artemis in the flight...along with some Sancerre, and a few other Cabs/Burgundy. Looking forward to your take on these wines. Cheers!

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

SC 34: thanks for your continued support and would be interested in your tasting note for the Artemis and whether it is similar to my experience. Cheers!

@sc3434

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrophyWineHunter At the tasting, the Artemis was pnp, and that was a bad idea haha. It started off with loads of oak on the nose, and the initial taste was ok....with lush fruit and oak, but high tannin. I allowed my glass to just sit around an hour, and when I tried it again, it completely closed down...all I could taste was tannin. I would say put the 18 Artemis away for at least 3-5 years before opening another bottle. Great review on both of these wines...cheers!

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

@@sc3434 Yes, I agree with your assessment. You can tell it has quality but very tannic now...BTW, what does pnp stand for? Means you didn't decant it? Cheers!

@sc3434

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrophyWineHunter Sorry, pnp is short for "pop and pour". Which yes, means no decant. I wasn't the host, but since the Artemis was our last wine in the tasting, I just poured a little more and let it sit for around an hour with hopes that it may open up some....but unfortunately never did. It really needs time. The quality is there, but in my opinion maybe about $50, not $80....Artemis was never a great qpr in the wine world, but still a solid Napa cab...cheers!

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

@@sc3434 yes that is consistent with my assessment of the wine. Personally, I probably wouldn't buy it for my cellar but I wouldn't turn away a glass either. Cheers!

Great wines from the first Napa AVA and review I agree with your thoughts here Artemis needs time (my 2014’s drink great!!) another discussion regarding Stags Leaps brings us to Trademark just a ken to To Kolan…. Both “Stags Leap AVA” wineries became friends and ended their lawsuit preserving their wines reputations (1986) but later joined forces to lobby against having the AVA of Stags Leap created (1989). I think this gives a good insight to what happens in To Kolan. The creation of the AVA for the wineries waters down their reputation. In 2016 “Stags Leap Wine Cellars” came after “The Stag” from treasury wine estates a Australian wine because they wanted sell in the U.S market with the name. Here is a quote from the case …. “We believe (Stag’s Leap Wine Cellars and Ste. Michelle Wine Estates) are not trying to protect the Stags Leap District, but instead are trying to use the legal system to stifle lawful competition,” according to the statement. Def some legal trademark education to take away from here as it relates to the BS IMO that happed in To Kalon and shows what happens. Behind all beautiful wine there is a ugly business sometimes. Sorry to turn that so dark but felt it’s important to discuss and mention nobody wants to here this side of things although I’m sure your aware and did mention it.

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

Wyatt: thanks for the insight. No, I was not aware but perhaps because no one talks about this. Yes, we have to understand that aside from the production of wine, there is another side which is the marketing of the wine and there is big money floating around. I was alerted to the name by another subscriber and now that you have alerted me to this, I will do some more research for myself as most of the stuff I have read does make it sound like the 2 wineries cooperated to get the AVA promoted and it is was all positive. Gives me some food for thought and something I need to learn more about.. Thanks!

@wyattalexander4041

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrophyWineHunter always appreciate the discussions 🙏 and glad I brought this up in that case ! (No pun intended)

Both wines are excellent. Had the Stag's Leap Fey 2007 for our 50th anniversary some years back. Also had the Stags' Leap at a tasting with Wall To Wall last September. Both really good, and at the Wall To Wall tasting, we had it alongside the Penfold's Grange. Personally, I'd rate them as equals.You have to understand the difference between the wine makers and the fact there are wines at a higher price point from both that are absolutely fantastic.

@TrophyWineHunter

5 ай бұрын

John: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. Napa Cab is not my strong areas of experience but I do see the quality in both wines. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

@johnholzhey8149

5 ай бұрын

@@TrophyWineHunter Done.

@TrophyWineHunter

5 ай бұрын

@@johnholzhey8149 Cheers!

Wow, I had no idea that these weren’t the same winery. Like you, I always thought there were just two labels but I thought that maybe they were an indication of a specific vineyard.

@wagyu_killer

2 жыл бұрын

i thougt it was the same company

@TrophyWineHunter

Жыл бұрын

Yup...I made the same mistake before I did more research.

Wow....I didn't realize this

@TrophyWineHunter

Жыл бұрын

nathan: me too, before I did this video. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

Great overview. I note you used the term passing off and you also went into detail about the case. I take it you are a lawyer? Also, any planned videos on the wines from Spain i.e. Rioja?

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

G Flo: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. Man, my viewers are astute! You picked up my use of terms so guilty as charged! I would love to do more reviews on Spanish wines but doesn't seem like there is a lot of interest in these wines. I will be sure to do a Rioja review in the next 2 months and see what is the response. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

@gflo986

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrophyWineHunter Your use of the term passing off is what mainly gave it away. Had a flashback to law school. I am also a lawyer in BC. I suggest R. Lopez dr Heredia, La Rioja Alta, Marques de Murrieta (finca Ygay). I initially came across your videos in search of good riojas and came across your review of Vina Real Crianza that I enjoyed.

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

@@gflo986 Thanks for your comment. I also did a review of Hacienda Lopez de Haro 2001 Gran Reserva Tinto Bodega Classica that you can check out. Those are all great wines that you have mentioned but their availability at BCLS is spotty. I was going to do a review of Finca Allende but the bottle was corked. Will see what BCLS has in stock. One of the wines I used to enjoy, when it was more affordable and more readily available was Pesquera. Cheers!

Have you ever tried the Stags Leap Cask 23? I see some at my local wine shop and am thinking about grabbing it, but wouldn’t mind a more experienced opinion first.

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

M.P. - no, I have tried it. We don't get it very often here and when we get it, it is very limited supply and sells out

@pilsplease7561

2 ай бұрын

Its good as long as you get a bottle 10 years after it released otherwise its too big and bold and tannic to even try and drink. So a 2012 right now would be good.

I have watched your video with great intrest! The story of the legal battle is of course not new. It shows once again that the wine industry is also concerned with power, money and market share etc. You would almost forget, in this example, that good wine is also being made. We often see the industry as far too romantic. You can conclude that, and that is how the wine industry likes it! It is good to think about that. As far as the wines are concerned. You already indicate it yourself. They are actually both too young, but certainly the Stag's Leap Artemis 2018. With its solid tannins. Aerating remains an emergency handle. It may soften the wine a little, but it can also dry out the wine and make it more angular. For balance, harmony, depth, richness, complexity, drinking, this type of wine still requires a long bottle maturation. Difficult in a world where people have little patience. However, patience is amply rewarded! Nevertheless, well that you show this to the viewers. They must also experience this for themselves. But the message may be best, try and some bottles in the wine cellar. In other words you say that. You can also focus on the right wine/food combination with these kinds of tough wines. And that in combination with a spacious Burgundy glass. Then you can also aerate the wine a little less. All this works wonders if you want to drink a young Trophy Wine Hunter wine. But i don't tell you anything new with this. Trophy Wine Hunter, an inspiring wine tasting!

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

Marcus: thanks for your continued support. I try to bring a perspective I don't see with other youtube channels. I searched and couldn't find anyone who mentions this difference in the 2 labels in any meaningful way. No one wants to bring up anything negative but actually, I don't find it negative. It is just business. I am also curious when I see people review young wines and they can smell and taste so many aromas and flavors, including secondary and tertiary without aeration. Maybe they are super tasters or Masters of Wine but I try to take it from a perspective of a consumer. I do think it is important not to dramatize the experience as I am not here to sell wines...I am here to try to let people know, if they choose to open a wine young, what to expect. Too many people experience through reading others reviews and not through tasting. Ultimately, it does matter what anyone else, including me, think or experiences as wine is a personal experience and only you can know what you like and what wines best you. I hope that I can encourage others to taste the same wines I review and hopefully, my review gives them an accurate description of what they will experience. At minimum, they will have a little history about the winery, which I think enhances the tasting experience as you know the philosophy and something about what makes the wine unique.Cheers!

I think it’s worth pointing out that Stag’s Leap Wine Cellars S.L.V. was not only featured at the 76’ Judgement of Paris wine tasting but it won the red category outright (the Château Montelena Chardonnay winning the white - and for which the movie “Bottle Shock” was made about). It really makes it a winery of extreme significance: Red Wines of the 1976 Judgment of Paris tasting: Stag’s Leap Wine Cellars 1973, Napa Valley (127.5) Château Mouton-Rothschild 1970 (126) Château Haut-Brion 1970 (125.5) Château Montrose 1970 (122) Ridge Cabernet Sauvignon ’Mountain Range’ (Montebello) 1971, Santa Cruz Mts. (105.5) Château Leoville-Las-Cases 1971 (97) Mayacamas 1971, Napa Valley/Mayacamas Mts. (89.5) Clos Du Val 1972, Napa Valley (87.5) Heitz Cellars ’Martha’s Vineyard’ 1970, Napa Valley/St. Helena (84.5) Freemark Abbey 1969, Napa Valley/Rutherford (78)

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

Chris: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. Yes you are correct. It won the competition but it is almost impossible to find that wine today and not even sure how it is drinking today. The point I was making in the video is that blind tastings like this are very hard to interpret. Don't know about Napa but 1971 was a terrible vintage for Bordeaux so not surprised by Leoville Las Cases' placing. 1970 was one of the most tannic vintages for Bordeaux and 1970 Montrose is now probably ready to drink (would probably win the competition if it were held with these same wines today since it would be the only one with the tannin level to easy survive for 50 years). I will do a video in the future on blind tastings but if you have enough wine knowledge, I can almost skew any blind tasting to get the desired result. I can also change factors that would make it almost impossible for someone to get the wines correct on a blind tasting. Having said that, the significance to me of the Judgment of Paris is that Napa challenged Bordeaux and won. Many Bordeaux wineries where resting on the laurels and not making very good wines in the 1970-1980s and I think the increase in quality for Bordeaux wines in the 1990s can be largely attributed to increased competition and wine knowledge. Please like and keep watching. Cheers!

@johnholzhey8149

5 ай бұрын

I've had the Mouton in 1972. It was a 64 vintage I'd gotten at a great price since I worked in a liquor store. We drank it way too young however.

@pilsplease7561

2 ай бұрын

My grandfather had a few bottles of the vintage that won the judgement of paris it cost $5 a bottle before that happened not even kidding. Went nuclear right after that.

the stags leap winery 2018 cab is a great wine for the $30/bottle around me in NJ

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

Donald: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. Prices are higher here in BC so at that price, it is a good value. Please like and keep watching. Cheers!

@prccap

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrophyWineHunter yes I know. It was funny that this Video popped up yesterday since I had just bought another case of this. The 18 was much better than the 17

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

@@prccap that would make sense as wasn't 2017 affected by the wildfires. Simplistically in my mind 2017 is the only vintage in the last few years for Napa. Cheers!

@prccap

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrophyWineHunter well 2020, for Napa, is going to be so bad that a lot of houses aren’t even going to put a release out and just sold of the must; I have heard

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

@@prccap thanks for the intel...how about 2019...pretty decent, right?

Should I open a bottle of 2019 Stag's Leap Artemis or is it still too early?

@TrophyWineHunter

9 ай бұрын

kairdumba: thank you for watching my video and your question. I think you can drink it now with a good 2-3 hours in a decanter. Let me know how it goes. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

@kairodumba7924

9 ай бұрын

@@TrophyWineHunter Thank you for your reply. Just curious if I decant a bottle at a restaurant, do I taste it first or after it is decanted?

@TrophyWineHunter

9 ай бұрын

@@kairodumba7924 I would taste before you decant personally but I have seen somms decant first before allowing you to taste. Tasting the wine is just to check if it has flaws, not really assessing if the wine is good or not. Sometimes if you are not sure, you can decant which should either blow of the corky smell or make it worse. Cheers!

I like both of them but I love Cask 23 just wish that I could buy it more lol but its not wallet friendly

@TrophyWineHunter

2 ай бұрын

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How did you know to decant them for five hours?

@TrophyWineHunter

Ай бұрын

rnjbond: I didn't...it is sometime trial and error so hopefully that helps others when they open the wine. Cheers!

Is Artemis worth the extra $35 ?

@TrophyWineHunter

Жыл бұрын

A A: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. I think it is a personal question and there is not a right/wrong answer. In my opinion, would like the Stags' Leap as both are pretty good wines. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

@AA-nh6rh

Жыл бұрын

@@TrophyWineHunter so what u got from your video is that they are two different wine producers?

@TrophyWineHunter

Жыл бұрын

@@AA-nh6rh Sorry, but did you watch my entire video? Like the last 7 minutes where I went through my tasting notes of each wine and compared/contrasted them? It is not up to me to decide whether it is worth it for any individual. I just try to give my view and I answered your question based on my opinion. Not sure if I am really getting what you are asking or what you are getting at. I don't want to "tell" people what to think. I just give my opinion and the nice thing is a lot of viewers/subcribers share their opinion with me. I always encourage people to taste for themselves and then we can have a discussion as we then have a shared experience. Cheers!

former waiter of sarentos back in 2004 who would go in on a nice bottle after work with the homies and drink straight out the bottle on the beaches of Kihei

@TrophyWineHunter

Жыл бұрын

JT: thank you for viewing my video. Are you talking about you or someone involved in Stags" Leap? Anyways, please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

it completely fooled me. both wines are consistenly good every year.

@TrophyWineHunter

2 жыл бұрын

Thank for your viewing my channel and your comment. Yes, I didn't know either but a subscriber brought it to my attention! Please like, subscribe and keep watching! Cheers!

What people don't understand about stags leap wine cellars. They think they're buying the same wine that won the judgement of paris tasting.

@TrophyWineHunter

Жыл бұрын

Pi Ci: I honestly didn't know the difference until it was pointed out to me by a subscriber. I am not a big US wine drinker so perhaps those who are would know but it is important that we get this info out. Both wineries produce good quality wines. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

@Diesel0807

Жыл бұрын

Ya got it backwards there .. stags cellars slv is the Paris wine... Dumanis winery had nothing to do with Paris 76

I never base picking a wine on it's label or artwork. Johnny Walker pulls that kind of stunt in the whisky world where they create high end fancy packaging for their Blue Label scotch and then charge extra for it whenever all that matters is the quality of the product inside the bottle. The rest is marketing.

@TrophyWineHunter

Жыл бұрын

Eyes of Ascension: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. I agree, theoretically, you should not choose a wine based on the label. But practically speaking, I must admit, I do get swayed by awesome bottling and if it is going to cost me a few more bucks I am fine. I also have to look at my audience. The majority of the people I drink with are not hardcore wine enthusiasts so spectacular bottling will get their attention. You have to drink to your audience, at least if you are drinking in a business setting. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!