Awesome! I am going to save this video for future reference. Thanks John! Go Steelers! :)

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

Ha ha! Yes! Go Steelers!

John, this is so cool! I've really been giving Stage Traxx a lot of attention since I saw Scott Uhl's videos. Multitracker definitely outshines ST3 for playing tracks, but you're totally right about the lyrics. I bet with this setup you're even still able to run the lights using the midi track in Multitracker! One of the downsides I see is that you're limited to 127 (128?) songs.

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but needing that many songs is not really a Casino, Concert Series or other organized show. However, you are absolutely right, that is a limitation. I am not sure how often full bands use Stage traxx 3. Yes! We run lights with MT. It is the best! Using ST3 for lyrics is a very cool option.

@Riffman42

Жыл бұрын

@@CaliforniaCreedence We use different songs for different audiences, and it's nothing to hit 128 songs. I was wondering, can you use the MSB and LSB fields to expand the number of song changes?

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

​​​@Riffman42 That would definitely solve the limitation of 128 programs! I am not sure how ST3 would communicate that, but I am sure ST3 could transmit it with the right syntax.

@MegaMAWG

11 ай бұрын

@Riffman42 I see I'm not the only one with this question. How to get around the 128 limit? I am a one man show and I play in so many different situations that I far exceed 128 songs in my repertoire. There has to be a way to write the MSB & LSB into the Stage Traxx command and have multitracker see it as a sort of "bank change". Then you could create multiple banks of 128 songs. According to the ST3 manual, the following command sends bank change 2, PC20 to MIDI channel 2... PC20.2@2 . Just need to figure out how to get Multitracker to understand it. UPDATE: Figured it out. Here's the command: [midi@00:01.00: PC0.001@1] The 001 is the LSB bank change (or 002 or 003, etc.). To get Multitracker to understand it, in the MIDI PrgCh Assignments, choose the song you want the command to trigger, then press learn. Then go into Stage Traxx and start the song. Multitracker will learn the command and then you add it to your PC list. Each LSB gives you another 128 PCs, therefore, another 128 songs. It works for me, I hope it helps anyone else needing this trick.

Great Video! Can u leave a link for your external midi trigger that links there 2 programs so its possible to start and stop Multitracker and Stage Traxx 3 together. I assume a wireless midi le ?

Hi John, thank you for your very informative youtube channel. You've helped me a great deal with starting my own band. One question, I was wondering if it's possible to also include chord symbols with the lyrics in stage traxx?

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you sure can! ST3 may soon outdo MT if they beef up their multitrack feature and add midi lanes. If they do that, it is a done deal ST3 would be the best option.

Thanks for the video John. The ideal situation would be to have a hybrid of this 2 powerful apps. I’ve been using Multitracker with my band and one thing I really want from ST3 is the ability to loop parts of the song; I hope the developers takes notes on that and can give us an update soon. I apologize for my broken english 😬

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

Your English is great! Yes, the developer of MT is burdened with some things, I hope something can update in the near future. I think if ST3 can get a better multitrack engine and MIDI track capabilities, it will take over the whole playing field.

@Bluebear2016

Жыл бұрын

You can loop parts of a song using ST…..

@Fr4nK-vr4vi

Жыл бұрын

@@Bluebear2016 Exactly, with ST you can, but with MT is not possible.

Hey John, greetings from Perth, Western Australia. I've been working with ST3 for a while and have just downloaded Multitracker. As Riffman42 has suggested, there are a lot more possibilities running both apps. I plan to dot-point your video into a word file for future reference. All good & thank you...

@CaliforniaCreedence

2 ай бұрын

Hey Coby! Thanks so much for the encouragement! This fall, Multitracker is to be coming out with a major overhaul. The developer had some significant life incidents that required his attention and he reported to me that he is back to work on MT. We will see what comes up. Until then, ST3 and MT are a good match! I own both. Again, thanks!

And another question: can I use my cellphone to trigger the midi commands on both apps via bluetooth? Is there any app to do that? I don't have a midi device..

John, that's awesome. I'm wanting to change Helix guitar presets via midi during the songs (i.e lead breaks etc...). It looks like MultiTracker can only do start/stop and initial command when loading a song to nominate a Helix Preset (please correct me if I'm wrong mate, I jsut can't see that functionaity in teh manual). With your approach in the video, could the Stage Traxx send the guitar processor changes through it's midi lyrics functionality. Seems like a massive amount of work but would be awesome when all running properly.

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the encouragement Mike. It's true that it is cumbersome. Yes, in this case you could embed the patch change in ST3 lyrics per song in my paradigm here. MT can run a midi lane with patch change data recorded in your DAW or Cubasis and dropped into MT. While I have not done that, other users of MT state that they have successfully recorded patch changes via MIDI and dropped it in a lane in MT. However, I would test it first. ST3 is perfect, except for the lack of a MIDI lane and limited audio routing. I am sure later versions of ST3 will overcome this. For now, we have to hang on to MT.

@mikekelly6568

Жыл бұрын

@@CaliforniaCreedence Thanks mate, I appreciate the response.

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

Well, I just discovered that MT has no problems at all sending program changes that you record in your DAW. I had a couple simple settings wrong. Now it sends even the most complex program changes such as MSB:LSB:PROG# with ease. Just needed a little help from fellow users. Just thought I would share. I will make a video on it.

@mikekelly6568

Жыл бұрын

@@CaliforniaCreedence awesome, thanks mate.

Hi John. One question: Why do you put the start timing at 1 second in the program change? Can I put it at 0 or something very close like this [midi@00:0.1: PC1@1] ? Because if I don't want to use Multitracker, the lyrics is going to be delayed 1 second, right?

@CaliforniaCreedence

10 ай бұрын

I can’t remember why I put in the 1 second delay, maybe because it was an easy number just to plug in as opposed to a millisecond, but on you or second question, I have to say that as really like using the 4Pockets app called Surface where you can literally build your own MIDI triggering machine to however you want on your iPhone. It is so easy. Then use BT MIDI pointed to your iPads. The nice thing about Surface by 4Pockets is that you can trigger more than one iPad for different things, or trigger them simultaneously. It is a great app! Thanks for the questions! I was more excited about the ST3 lyric app than our singer. She does not like automation controlling her lyrics, and she likes to look ahead to an upcoming song with her own lyrics. So we are back to square 1. I thought lyrics scrolling would be helpful for her. Nevertheless, she got a second audition for The Voice, so I guess her mind is along that line (no iPads on stage with those singers LOL!).

@sorokabaville

10 ай бұрын

@@CaliforniaCreedence thank you so much for your kindness. I’m going to try the Surface app. It’s paid, so I ask you again: can I use this app from my iPhone to trigger both ST3 and Multitracker? All I need to do is turn Bluetooth on each device, put the respective midi PC and everything in ready to go? I just want 2 simple actions: Play and Stop

@CaliforniaCreedence

10 ай бұрын

@@sorokabaville Thanks for the encouragement! A free way around Surface from 4Pockets would be how I used to do things was with MIDI Studio app (basic version) and use midimittr as the MIDI bridge between your iPhone and iPads. Both MIDI Studio and midimittr work with the iPhone and iPad. It is easy to link MIDI Studio with other iPads when you have MIDI studio and midimittr together on your iPhone. I only got surface because (for 8 American dollars) it had significantly more power, which opened possibilities for expansion of automation. Still, I used MIDI Studio/Midimttr on stage from 2014 to 2022 without a hitch. I just needed more options to manage hardware effects, keyboard program changes settings and all kinds of other stuff via BT. Try those free apps and see if it is a good fit before going with Surface.

One question would be .. I use a Macbook Air (that's all I have) not buying a bevy of iPads, would this same pairing of apps work for me? I'll maybe use another MIDI trigger, like a portable keyboard/pad thingy or a foot peddle. Anyway, thanks for all the info.

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

With Stage Traxx3 it will work, but Multitracker is specific to IOS.

John, I have a question about your light show. You may have answered it elsewhere. I am trying to coordinate a light show (chauvet foot c-2 controller and an assortment of ADJ and chauvet lights) to my backing tracks. Currently using Multitracker but considering a changer to Stage Traxx. Here’s the question: are you able to automate your light show with your backing tracks? If so what software and hardware are you using? Any thoughts or details would be appreciated. Thanks. Steve

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

Hi Steve! I use the app Photon2 for iPad to run my DMX lighting. The MIDI lanes in MT and the flexible outputs are the barriers to me using ST3, even though I bought ST3 and tried to make it work. Yes, I have a video on how to set and deploy a dmx light show that is completely automated. I use the chauvet AN2 node to get the dmx signal from MT to the lights. Plus I use Donner wireless dmx instead of a bunch of cords. I will paste my video after this posted response. ST3 is a great program, but it seems more for the bar and grill, restaurant or pub performers and not a scripted show. MT midi lanes route to Photon2 which connects to my router which connects to my AN2 which sends all DMX to the lights. Its glorious. MT doesnt bat an eye when handling all of it. I'll post my link below.

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/hIlhrM98c863nLg.html

@oneminuteguitarlessons6060

Жыл бұрын

@@CaliforniaCreedence as always, thanks. Just to make sure I’ve got the work flow correct: create a midi track in a DAW. Load midi track into Multitracker. During playback, this goes to Photon. The Photon output goes to router then AN 2 and then to lights?

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

@@oneminuteguitarlessons6060 that is correct

@oneminuteguitarlessons6060

Жыл бұрын

@@CaliforniaCreedence thanks again

Hi John, is it posible to import chord pro lyrics file un the stage track 3 and keep all the chords in right place like i do in onsong app ? Thank you Val from Canada

@CaliforniaCreedence

6 ай бұрын

Hi Val, whether you can import them as a bulk data import, I don’t know. ST3 has separate Chord modifiers to lyrics so that you can change the key of the song. However, I am not sure about an import with no additional steps to set up chords to lyrics. Sorry!

I John, wath is the best foot controller to play stop next in my stage Traxx 3 ? Thank you Val

@CaliforniaCreedence

2 ай бұрын

Hi Val, although some of the AirTurn products are not that good, this one seems to be one of the better ones. a.co/d/drgTjra but it only has 2 functions for foot control, actually, but if you buy a WIDImaster from CME and get something like a Behringer FC1010, you would have more options, but it is a bit pricey.

Hey John, I've just come across these apps and theyre great - I followed most of this BUT I couldn't get Stagetraxx to fire Multitracker....could you possibly explain setting up the ipad for them to talk to each other?! I've set up my songs in Multitracker and would rather not do them all again for stagetraxx - so if i can get this to work - it would be great!

@CaliforniaCreedence

11 ай бұрын

There are a couple of issues here. One is whether the apps are on different iPads or the same iPad. Also, did you make a basic R/L track of each song for ST3 to run muted, so that the length and start of songs in each app match? The key to making this work is to set up Multitracker to launch songs via program number. This is set up in the settings>MIDI program change assignments. After you have assigned songs to program change numbers in Multitracker, you load and mute the R/L single track songs into ST3 with the program change midi code at the beginning of the lyrics in ST3. To get 2 iPads to talk to one another, I believe you can accomplish this through the use of midimittr. There is a lot of work involved in this setup initially, however, if you are a working band, it may be worth it. After setting this up, our singer prefers a sense of control over lyrics as opposed to scrolling so she can look ahead to the next song etc. So she was not into it (sadly).

@user-bu2fz2ht6k

10 ай бұрын

@@CaliforniaCreedence It is on the same Ipad - I just couldnt get it to fire the other app. I have a main "TRACK" track that is the exact same length loaded up in ST3 but the volume slider was still affecting it and not firing the Multitracker!?!?

@CaliforniaCreedence

10 ай бұрын

@@user-bu2fz2ht6k I may have to walk you through it over the phone, the triggering message to start MT is embedded in ST3 lyrics and MT needs to have each song assigned a program number. To stop ST3 from sounding, go into settings and do not route audio to any output. It will still play but not make any sound.

@user-bu2fz2ht6k

10 ай бұрын

yeah, i followed the tutorial fully and took everything off etc but it just doent want to play! i'll give it another go and see what happens @@CaliforniaCreedence

John is trying to few time to trigger multitracker 2.2 from stage traxx 3 and it does not work,multitracker does not start.Maybe i miss something watching your video.I follow exactly step by step your tutorial ,is there an other step like virtual midi or anything else,that i must do ? Thank you Val P.s i read the pdf of stage traxx 3 and i can not see where i make a mistake.

@CaliforniaCreedence

3 ай бұрын

Have you assigned a program number to a song in MT? Make sure that you are in Playlist mode in MT.

Hi John ,can i do exacly wath you are doing in this vidéo with my purchase of JUST AUDIO AND JUST MIDI ( to trigger Multitraker from Stage track 3 thank you Val

@CaliforniaCreedence

6 ай бұрын

Hi Val, you sure can!

if i had more tracks on stage traxx i don’t think i would consider connecting these together. this seems like a lot of extra complexity.

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

That is true. This set up is not for everyone. It sounds like ST3 is perfect for you. I purchased ST3 to replace Multitracker, but it was not able to handle the needs of our band. I believe that ST3 will one day be a contender for Ableton Live since Multitracker has not updated its functionality in a very long time. We are keeping our eye on its development.

@Bluebear2016

Жыл бұрын

The developer has said that he will be looking to double the available tracks in version 4.

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

@@Bluebear2016 that would be a MAJOR help!

@MomentuMabq

Жыл бұрын

@@Bluebear2016 thanks. i did not know that. that is great news.

tnx for the contents bro! I wonder if is it possible to show live all the stuff u have on your ipad on differents Ipad? for example I wanna let my drummer launch backing tracks (keeping the ipad next to the drummer) but I d like guitarist and singer can see the lyrics scrolling on their I pad too!

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/qqp_wdORp7vakaQ.html this is how I launch tracks. The singer was not into scrolling lyrics for some reason. I believe she wants more control over when she can see her lyrics, not sure.

the other big advantage to stage traxx is how it can move from computer to ipad and back with backup and restore

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

Yes, all of these apps have a backup paradigm. Some are easier than others.

What are you reasons for using Multitracker for playback rather than ST3? Thanks.

@CaliforniaCreedence

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the question! (Sorry it's long). It has to do with the limitations of ST3. Firstly, regarding specific MIDI lanes for DMX (ST3 has MIDI, but no dedicated lane), and secondly, limitations to a maximum of 8 multi tracks/outputs. Scott Uhl shared that needing more than 8 tracks seems ridiculous (understandable for solo or duo artists), however, as with cheap/free versions of Ableton, the 8 track limit of Ableton Lite is only to whet the appetite for more functional versions without the 8 track limitation. 8 audio multi tracks is not a preference for performing bands, which is why they choose (like we do) to purchase the more expensive Ableton Standard. Multitracker allows as many audio and MIDI tracks as you want which you can route to unlimited output configurations per song. Too many options for some folks, understandably, and takes a lot of work to set up, but once set up, venues like the flexibility of multiple mixing options. We pair Multitracker with what is called a "split system" for venues. They enjoy it. ST3 is an extremely awesome app, but the limitations are too significant for our band. Thankfully, Multitracker is going to be completely revamped by fall of this year with the excellent features in ST3 while retaining the Professionalism of an Ableton Standard-like performance ability that exists in Multitracker. Thanks for asking Andrew! ST3 is an excellent app, which is why it sells so well and retains such a high rating.

@AndrewBanker1

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for that John. That makes a lot of sense. I have been curious to see how Multitracker progresses, as there hasn’t been much change for a long time. It has worked flawlessly for me, but requires me to use additional iPad’s.

@CaliforniaCreedence

3 ай бұрын

@@AndrewBanker1 yes. Sebastian okayed me to make a video announcing the major upgrade of MT this year. I am so happy for that. He had some tragedies in the family and is back to work on it.

why not use midi:play to start at beginning instead of 1 second in?

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

That is easy! Nice! Wish I knew that before making the video! Thanks

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

Do you know if midi:play selects a program number and midi channel? Play is not the command I am looking for to launch Multitracker, it is the program number that launches Multitracker.

@CaliforniaCreedence

Жыл бұрын

@@Bluebear2016 Thanks so much!