Our father took me and my brother to visit a very old historical church many years ago. We had to park the car and walk the reset off the way to the church similar to the church in the video there was just grass around the church no buildings in sight other than the church. Our father told us that it was a very old church and very historical that is why he tooks to see it I think that it was named after a Welsh saint

@SarahWoodburyBooks

5 ай бұрын

That sounds like so many churches in Wales! They are all named for a Welsh saint. So lovely.

It seems odd to me that a lot of contributors here seem to want to deny any association between St Patrick and Britain or Wales, even though St Patrick's own biography states that he came from (Roman) Britain and that he was of the Patrician class.

@SarahWoodburyBooks

5 ай бұрын

It is interesting, isn't it?

Saint Patrick seems to be a fascinating character, it has been mooted that he was a contemporary of Saint David, and they may have been educated together, do you know if this is true? Some of the earliest Christians to arrive in Ireland were said to have been the Coptics. They may have travelled from Egypt to Spain and then from Spain along established sailing trade routes from Galatia to the British Isles. The larger island Albion would be 'Great Britain' and the smaller island Erin, now known as Ireland, which I like to think of as 'Little Britain'. Apparently one of the symbols used by these Coptic Christians was a snake, St Patrick came into conflict with this earlier settlement of Christians, hence the banishment of 'snakes' from Ireland

@SarahWoodburyBooks

5 ай бұрын

Interesting! I had heard too that Padrig knew St. David, but David was born around 520, so quite a bit later in history. The legend is that Padrig foresaw his birth.

@dragonflowermusic

4 ай бұрын

Not possible, as David was born decades later than Padrig.

Having grown up in Ireland I cannot remember ever hearing that Patrick was from Wales. This seems to have been a convenient way of explaining the Irish slave raiders hop across the Irish sea to grab a welshman or two. In fact they voyaged much further than this. The Welsh language is similar to that of old Breton spoken in Brittany in France which would explain the assumption of his birthplace being in Wales. An excellent book by Irish clergyman Marcus Losack called "Rediscovering St. Patrick" gives a very different account or his origins. While on holiday in Brittany he by chance mentioned where he came from and was immediately referred to local historians who had a very detailed history of Patrick and his capture by Irish slavers. They said he was from a well off family who lived in a village near St. Malo. As in the previous comment its known that the Coptic church was established in France from an early time notably on the Ile de Lerins. This was where Patrick would have returned to study for the priesthood on his escape from Ireland and later establishing the Coptic monastic church in Ireland. To say that Wales at the far perimeter of the Roman empire was an established Christian centre of learning in nonsense. As a seafarer I can tell you that the journey under sail from Brittany to Ireland with the prevailing winds would make it very difficult to make a landing on the west coast but much easier to sail along the east coast after rounding lands end in Cornwall.

@SarahWoodburyBooks

5 ай бұрын

Interesting thoughts. I would say that the reason Breton is similar to Welsh is because Brittany was settled in the 5th century by the Welsh (Britons at the time) after the Romans departed, in order to escape the Saxon invasions. There is also no question that Christianity was well established in Britain among the Britons (who became the Welsh), particularly among the elite as inheritors of the Roman system. Pelagius, who was born in the mid-5th century, was a Briton and certainly a remarkable scholar, despite being condemned for heresy. Also, the story of Padrig's origins in Britain comes from his own writings. Citations are endless, but off the top of my head: www.confessio.ie/more/article_kelly#

@sklenars

5 ай бұрын

@@SarahWoodburyBooks Indeed, there was a flight from Britain with the Saxon invasion, Patricks father being one who joined the exodus to Brittany from Dumbarton in Scotland where he is said to have married a local Breton princess after his arrival.. The Irish slave traders were akin to the Vikings and weren't picky about what they could loot and would butcher anyone who got in their way. Local historians near St. Malo identify Bannaven Tiburniae as Chateau Bonaven or Banaven where Patrick and his family lived and have detailed records of that merciless invasion.

@dragonflowermusic

4 ай бұрын

Patrick's own writings state that he was born in Wales, captured by Irish raiders when he was 16, and taken to Ireland as a slave where he worked as a shepherd/herder. Why do the Irish find it so difficult to believe that Patrick was NOT born in Ireland?

@sklenars

4 ай бұрын

@@dragonflowermusic Firstly, nowhere in Patricks confessio does he mention Wales, just a place name that sounded Welsh. Everyone but nobody believes he was born in Ireland. I don't know where you got that nonsense from. The accepted story about he being from Wales is based on a massive assumption built around name of his birthplace Bannaven Tiburniae.