E channel for the win on this track... Sounded cleaner and had that airy top end while the G brought the vocal more up front and emphasized more of the throat tones / voice grit ... I use the G on drums and E on everything else, but I might have to try that E on drums too !

@_JohnnySav

7 жыл бұрын

TheRealPistolP Bith Channels are dope but, I'd have to go with the G channel on this one it added more grit and bite to her vocal.

@TheRealPistolP

7 жыл бұрын

Chase McWilliams definitely did add more grit.. guess it comes down to preference 🤷🏽‍♂️

@_JohnnySav

7 жыл бұрын

TheRealPistolP Yeah he was saying E channel for pop, r&b & hip hop / Rock on the G channel. I'm working on a track with all E channel strips but I think I'll dupe the settings with a G channel! The harmonics are crunchy AF. Yes, it's all preference it's great to have two options. I'm just waiting on the 9000K emulation!!!

@TheRealPistolP

7 жыл бұрын

Chase McWilliams facts that on the 9000! They say it's cleaner than the 4000s tho

Loved the video editing at the end. “And there we go”

@austingrothe2754

Жыл бұрын

Then the :l face hahaha

I don't think anyone seems to realize but if you look at the settings he has between the e channel and the g channel, they are not matched

@quanm3772

5 жыл бұрын

yea they both have diffrent tones and bells and whatever basically to show you want the one that pulls out sweeter sonics i think the E channe; and the G is +18db

@cap217cap217

4 жыл бұрын

I have watched this a few times and that always bothers me. The mid range girth of the G is clear here but his settings make it even more. On the E he is scooping 2.5db of 3k and on the G he is boosting 3db of 1.5 (these are approx). That difference is what makes the G sound more different in this clip. I used to work on a G console and I own the SSL waves plug ins (I have since 2007 or whenever they came out) and I also own the brainworks SSL channels. The waves is more detailed and clear in the top end and more round in the bottom. The brainworks is more mid focused and gets almost harsh in the highs but like a console would. Im not saying harsh in a bad way, I am saying harsh in the sense of how you would hea the difference in this video of the G vs the E. To me thats more real of what an SSL does. The Waves E is like a R Channel, very clear and accurate. The G is a little more real. But brainworks is more real than these. To be fair, I never worked on a real E console and only have these comparisons to picture what Im hearing. But the E to me has a more sparkly top and round bottom and smooth mids. But the more I mix, the more I like having the raw mids of a G there. I can always clean that up if needed but mixes lately are getting too clean and clear so the G adds a realness to me.

@anthonyaccurate

4 жыл бұрын

@@quanm3772 you have no idea what you're responding to or talking about. The settings are wildly different.

@quanm3772

4 жыл бұрын

​@@anthonyaccurate he didn't say he was going to match the (Knobs) Its diffrent Settings cus each channel' Strip Has a diffrent Range's To Show You , YOU Want the Channel Strip that has more throw with less adjusting'' unless you actually want a less effective Channel Strip obviously they sound diffrent on the same Setting there not the same

@cmorellato

4 жыл бұрын

@@cap217cap217 thank you for your comment! really brought a nice perspective of these.

To me, the differences in the midrange can be heard but the reason they're subtle (in this video) is because the HMF settings on the G-channel are somewhat tamed.

0:40 "I urinate in my hair"? Sorry it's off topic but I kept listening to see what she was really singing but that seems to be what she is really singing!

@jeremyboone6490

6 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha

@AudioReplica2023

6 жыл бұрын

😂

@michaelcaplin8969

5 жыл бұрын

@@WordsAxis720 There's no way she's singing "The Good Side of You Remains In My Head"! Is this another example of pop musicians not finding english to be a sufficient language to use for singing, but are too lazy to learn another one, so they make up a childish make-believe version of english? The indie-pop movement around 2010-2011 did this, and I really thought (hoped) we were past this now :)

@RealHomeRecording

4 жыл бұрын

I see Mr. Maserati nor Waves chose to comment. Hair peeing it is!

@Vossflying

4 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAH

Thats one clean ass mix

@defaultcolor

5 жыл бұрын

Ali Hamza Ibrahim proper sound selection will you give a clean mix from the start.

Listening on cellphone speaker: the E channel top end sounded so pretty and open. But I love the guts on the G.

Even though settings aren't the same , the low mid in G is quite thick and the E has 2.3K ish bite . I was doing a female vocal and the E was pretty intense in the upper mids , went for the G .

Comparing upper-mid settings on both, why a boost at 1.5k on the G Channel and a 2k cut on the E? Hard to compare, especially when he mentions G channel has more midrange (no doubt, due to 1.5k boost on G and 2 k cut on E I'd think)...Hmm...

It is interesting, to me. I prefer the E-Channel on the voice alone, but I prefer the G-Channel on the entire mix.

On small, Bluetooth speakers, the G totally wins; it balances out some of the tinny-ness. E sounds more lively on a good system because of that high-freq excitement.

G had slightly more sub, E had slightly more clarity. Preferred E for this song.

E brighter mid and highs, tighter, wider, more distant G Thicker, More Upfront, bouncier bass and mid

Sounds to me like low mids are more present in the G and those are cleaned up for lack of a better word in the E. The G sounds a little more analogue and glued together to my ears.

I think both are a winner to have, I have them too and I love them...G on drums indeed...:)

Great video.. I wish this would of been uploaded yesterday during the labor day sale.

@TheSpacechaser

7 жыл бұрын

It's still on sale today

@AveMcree

7 жыл бұрын

TheSpacechaser I bought it yesterday dude they know😎

@roguecactus7

7 жыл бұрын

Ave Mcree yeah, but they'll never put the G-master buss compressor on sale. ☹️ 😉

@TheSpacechaser

7 жыл бұрын

Yesterday I resisted ......... Today I could not lol ... happy mixing

@AveMcree

7 жыл бұрын

roguecactus7 👌

The E-Channel seemed a little more focused in the mids and on the high end, but the G-Channel seemed a little more punchy with the lows. I got the E-Channel when Waves was having their special last year, but I haven't really gotten the chance to dig into it yet.

G to me distorts quicker than the E does. If I want to drive something, I’ll use the G to get some dirt on it.

Didn't talk about stereo field / range between the two, sounded wider / more "space" in the G. Settings? Or the plug-in? 🤔

I find myself reaching for the g channel more often, personally…my rationalization being that I tend to bring in channel strips for sources that want some energy and movement. An acoustic guitar that sounds GREAT is gonna get pro q and maybe some low ratio/high threshold compression. But an overhead bus whose energy I’m trying to melt with a 76’d room mic…that’s a g channel job, imo. You’ll get your normal processing with that funny, ssl syrup that’s tough to describe.

I can barely hear the difference its so small to me that Im probably trying to hear the E sound ang G sound. I can hear the difference on when you listen to a mix and have few instances of E or G. 4 EVERYONE SAYING SETTINGS DONT MATCH: THE EQ DESIGNS ARE DIFFERENT SO IF HE MATCHED THEM SONICALLY THE NUMBERS ON POTENTIOMETERS WONT MATCH :)

Love the Waves G and E channels, use them extensively on all my songs.

Good and quick comparison. Nice.

E for vocals / G for instrumentals

yeah, but arent there different settings on each? or am i missing something...

@chrisp7268

7 жыл бұрын

on the vocal yeah, but I mean let's be real, they have to demonstrate a difference somehow... Most of the real differences are under-the-hood so unless you know what you're doing, half the time it's just your workflow being affected and not the actual sound (and if it is, it's subtle as mentioned in the beginning of the vid). On that note, the snare in the overall mix had a bit more weight on the G-channel and the mid-range had a bit more "thump". That was about it for me.

@RedButtonTV1

7 жыл бұрын

yeah but the changes made on sw do exactly that, what the difference is, which you also described... that's not really a comparison...

@chrisp7268

7 жыл бұрын

Just looked back and you are totally right. I guess this video does not do an accurate job afterall

@al35mm

7 жыл бұрын

I noticed that too just after he said the G had more mid range - I saw mid boost on the G and cut on the E. Maybe he was trying to match to demonstrate the range difference.

@RedButtonTV1

6 жыл бұрын

neh... more like, 'buy it, the old one you have now ain't so good', the new one is better'... ...and maybe it is, but one can't see it from this particular video. energy being fed into the plugin must be the same when outputing from the plugin, when parameters are on zero and it must sound the same as if being bypassed. 100% in 100% out signal. because otherwise we get colorization of the signal, and that is a bad thing. so this video is in reality saying that, either plugin changes the original sound (not good), or it's the same except for the color of the knobs... if the algorithms were rewritten, this video can't & doesn't show... agree?

G has it's uses. You can see that it's definitely a difference. Does the G fit with modern music? Not always. I feel that if you're trying to go for a number 1, in any of the modern genres just get the E channel. I mean they used it on closer by the chainsmokers. And for good reason too.

Me: “G-channel sounds so much better!” Also me: “Wait a minute the G-channel is just louder, dammit Maserati…”

G sounds like it adds spread and more top end, E sounds dampened warmer more controlled, though that seems to just be me lol

Both are excellent but from my own experience, the G Channel brings the vox forward a little more than the E Channel, which is smoother to me. Both have their strengths and I use them both accordingly..

The E channel definitely has more air and sounds a little more refined and polished, but boy does that G channel sound more weighty and thicker, not just in the mids but also in the low mids. And I'm one of those people who often things "huh? I don't even hear it" in these comparisons.

@iflnr978

7 жыл бұрын

i didn't think i'd be able to hear the difference. i usually can't, but i could here. just noticing the talk of the different settings. the knobs are the same, i do not see Q. i guess Q is short for the very long EQ abbreviation for equalization?

@jtpinnyc

7 жыл бұрын

Q is a measure of bandwidth, i.e. the slope of the bell curve. A narrow Q (higher number) means you're boosting a narrow range of frequencies, while a wide Q (lower number) means you're boosting a wide range of frequencies. Wide Q's sound more natural when boosting, whilst narrow Q's sound more natural when cutting.

@iflnr978

7 жыл бұрын

i had no idea, thanks very much for the info!

@TheAerovons

7 жыл бұрын

Definitely more weight with the G. Love it. E is nice and clean and open, but I'm too old school to pass up the G.

@iflnr978

7 жыл бұрын

Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon recoded on G, correct?

I use E for ma metal production and i have to say both sound very nice and i don't know which is better?

SSL G-Series Best my favorite!!

Avid Channel Strip or Studio One Fat Channel XT for the win.

I'm sad to say that I can't hear difference like this, even though I'm listening through my studio monitors... Is there a learning curve or a way to be able to hear more? I hear it a bit on headphones, but that's it.

@BukanIbuMu

4 ай бұрын

I listend through my phone and I can hear the difference

@bigsean6045

4 ай бұрын

@@BukanIbuMu And this answers my question on how to do it... how exactly?

@prodbym4s0n

Ай бұрын

Could b multiple reasons If ur in a non sound treated room there can be phase issues with the way sound reverbs around the room and that might mean it attenuates down on certain freqs that might be normally more audible. Too much low end could drown out high and mids in a echoy space aswel. If ur monitors are going through a preamp make sure they dont have any eq’s from hardware or software (windows sound settings).

Not a fan of that type of music. BUT, that mix sounds so good I’m looking it up now!

yeah, things sound different with different settings, tony.

@narutoshippuden3239

4 жыл бұрын

😂 i didn’t even notice but the 2 does have a different feel and vibe

I clearly hear a difference on the third channel :D

I also want to buy G-master buss compressor for 29 ! ! !

@5cyp43r

7 жыл бұрын

they will never release that outside bundle I am afraid... you're better off going for Cytomic The Glue.

@AlexanderRoca

7 жыл бұрын

The Glue - great plug-in but still can be sold at a discount from Waves G-master buss compressor, let's wait ! ! !

@waves

7 жыл бұрын

Hey 5cyp43r....Never say never ;-)

@StevenJamesBoal

7 жыл бұрын

YOU'LL MAKE SO MUCH MONEY! hahaha you sneaky company you!

@renecarranza4500

6 жыл бұрын

Alexander Roca it's on sale right now for 29

Hm, The vocal sound is different during the take, At the end of the second clip at 01:30 the sound starts to sound identical as the other SSL strip,,,,, du same low pitch note.

hi , iv got a ssl six and only channel 1-2 have EQ , I have the ssl G channel strip in my DAW I only want to use the EQ in the software is that possible ? [if I turn the analogue switch of ] , thanks

Eh, to me the E sounds far more clear and "pro" than the G. Especially in the 1:19 comparison. But even in the full mix, the G makes the vocals a bit muffled sounding.

@izvarzone

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder which one would be better for kick, or bass, or synth pads.

Wait a minute I am definitely not an expert but if the settings are not exact then how is this a proper comparison? Sorry but this seems sort of a slight of hand here.

Idk that E channel soundin shmackin goood

Awesome! 👏🏽

One pops out more and one's more controlled and subtle? That's what G and E kinda sounds like...

Isn't it just an EQ thing? Sounds like these two samples just weren't properly matched..

@lildirtdick777

5 жыл бұрын

They are exactly matched the whole point of this video is they naturally have a different sound

@RedButtonTV1

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry bud, not in this vid

Why do they have different EQ settings? tnx

i never knew the word "but" contained so many syllables. booereheet, in other news, the e is clearly going to win in top 40 land. the g has a wonderful golden tone, though.

G all the way. Way better bass and fullness. Again though depends on the tune. Love the options tho

The settings are not matched.

LOL... I rather use an actual SSL VST from the actual SSL company. Oh wait.. I have it. Thank you for taking my paid plug-ins and ripping me off of my licenses. The only plugins I needed from your GUI candy trash was C4 and Maserati GRP. So now all the stuff I had your darn plugins are screwed up. Thank you. Let me get in contact with the Russian boogie man to fix the problem.

beautiful voice

In simple terms G seems more rounded up while E sounds sharp

This song is fuckin dope

I need this compressor please

@waves

Жыл бұрын

Hi there, you can purchase the SSL Compressors on our website: www.waves.com/plugins

I'm stuck, should I buy the Echannel or Scheps 73 first? I'm trying to get good sounding rap vocals and beats.

@ceounicom

5 жыл бұрын

Get a good vocal mic (large condenser) and preamp with some color. don't worry about plugins at all.

@izvarzone

4 жыл бұрын

demo them both and choose one you like more.

just me or this guy sounds like Tim Cook

Sorry but these tracks are not volume matched. They're effect settings-matched. Big difference.

the "anhewego" at the end hahaha

I do some engineer study, many of my colleagues (teachers, engeneer, students) say they say they can hear the difference between the G and the E, or between an mp3 320 and a wav, or between the EQ Neve and SSL, etc... I can confirm you they all failed. They cannot do better that 50% by doing A/B, so this is not better than chance. You can hear some differences of course, but you need a very good calibrated monitoring system, a big neutral room. But those who says that it changes everything are completly possessed for me. The main mistake that is done with this type of EQ, Compressor, plugin, analog console comparison, is the volume problem. If you really put the same volume (with a vu meter / peak meter for example, not like in this example) many of this people will be lost.

@alexandre7634

2 жыл бұрын

So you definitely need to learn ✌️💖 the e and g are working differently, g has a proportional q and has more broad curves, if you do a dip at 200hz with a SSL G, it will feel brighter than the SSL E eq settings for example, which has more narrow curves.

How can we "trust the pros" when the guy won't even match the settings?

Am I the only one that can't tell the difference?

@MIent1313

4 жыл бұрын

ne_skaju it is? Guess this is why I stopped trying to become a sound engineer. I can’t hear jack lolol

@OlostA

3 жыл бұрын

I do some engineer study, many of my colleagues say they say they can hear the difference between the G and the E, or between an mp3 320 and a wav, or between the EQ Neve and SSL. I can confirm you they all failed. They cannot do better that 50%, so this is not better than chance. You can hear some differences of course, but you need a very good calibrated monitoring system, a big neutral room. But those who says that it changes everything are completly possessed for me. The main mistake that is done with this type of comparison, is the volume problem. If you really put the same volume (with a vu meter / peak meter for example), many of this people will be lost.

E is definitely nicer on the ears

G had weight and power, E was light.

E for me...

thumbs up who don't hear a difference )

@VisualAudioV

5 жыл бұрын

Yup me, thats because I watched it on mute.

@stwrecords

5 ай бұрын

maybe ur sight better 😂

@jrm_music7229

2 ай бұрын

You need to train your ears... E was more rounded and not upfront like the G..

Details completely irrelevant for 99.9999% of the devices that the music is supposed to be reproduced on.

E is warm, G is nice and crisp.

@jtpinnyc

7 жыл бұрын

I would have thought it was the other way around? The E is crisper and has more air, while the G is warmer and rounder.

@rampageExtremeGamer

7 жыл бұрын

ok, buy them and find out. I use E mostly (as it sounds warmer to me,) G on sounds that I want to cut through the mix.

@izvarzone

4 жыл бұрын

the other way

@Kathayne636

3 жыл бұрын

Got it backwards.

E

Why is clipping so much...awful

You're my dad Tony

e console better no cap

Terrible song, good video

god this sample audio sucks so bad

Irrellevant bs pop.

utterly meaningless

@hgkwbsx7

4 жыл бұрын

thats the beauty of it

@izvarzone

4 жыл бұрын

no wai

USELESS.

@XCenturionX

6 жыл бұрын

Lol...