You are now an elite level expert 😤

@axelpixel1

2 жыл бұрын

sheesh

@toxicv1946

2 жыл бұрын

;o

@_SJ

2 жыл бұрын

My brother is planning to buy an SSD next month and I can show this vid to him 👍🏻

@Nobe_Oddy

2 жыл бұрын

now I just have to figure out why my Sabrent Gen43 nvme is getting 6.7GB/s sequential read and ONLY 871MB/s sequential write... probably because there is less than 100GB free space??? It's gonna be a long day while I try to figure this one out :/

@gaminglaptopdeals

2 жыл бұрын

lol

1) The reason why an SSD slows down when you are writing huge amounts of data to it (50 GB or more, depending on the drive -- could slow down at 100 GB), is because most SSDs have two types of NANDs. A 1-TB QLC SSD (which is slow) might have a 50 GB cache which is made from MLC NANDs. So as long as you do not write more than 50 GB without rest, you will see super fast performance. But once you fill up that cache, then your data will be forced to write to the slow QLC NANDs, and your performance will take a huge hit. When the drive is not busy writing new data, it copies the data from the MLC NANDs to the QLC NANDs, which it does in the background. It is invisible to the user. So your 50 GB of fast MLC NANDs is nearly always available for new data. So your QLC SSD will seem just as fast as some enterprise SLC SSD. When you write a few hundred megabytes, whether it takes 0.1 seconds or 0.3 seconds, you will not notice. You only need an SLC or MLC SSD if you will be writing 50+ GB to it without rest. Or that number might be 100 GB, or 30 GB. It depends on the SSD, and that information is never available (I have never been able to find it). And larger SSDs tend to have larger caches. 2) Unless you are on a mission to wear out your SSD, you will never wear out your SSD. One type of crypt-o mining (Chia) uses temporary storage (usually an NVMe SSD), and writes terabytes of data to it without rest. Some people have been writing to their SSDs for nearly a year, without rest, and the drives keep working at full speed. Even software that reports that the drive is warn out is only a hard-coded warning, based on the terabytes written. Apparently, the SSD manufacturers played it safe with their reporting. For standard computer office work, or gaming, or social media activity, etc, you will never wear out your SSD. Your SSD could fail. But it is not because you wore it out. Cheers!

@xXRealXx

2 жыл бұрын

Why didn't you mention TLC SSDs? They are the most common ones

@NoEgg4u

2 жыл бұрын

@@marco31 I believe that that is a great SSD. You, unfortunately, got a lemon. Are you using a good uninterruptible power supply (UPS) to protect your computer's components from power issues? One too many zaps could damage any part of a computer. Even low voltages (sags) are bad.

@NoEgg4u

2 жыл бұрын

@@marco31 Like everything else, there are cheap-o UPS's, and there are commercial grade and hospital grade UPS's, and everything in between. On the lowest end, they do nearly nothing other than switch to batteries when the power is extremely bad or out. They do not protect your equipment from strong surges or under voltages. They basically are good for getting you through a short blackout. But the lemon theory is probably the case. I've been there.

@lapizsbusiness9663

2 жыл бұрын

same, but the secondary one is 178GB (main one is 79.4GB)

@TheVirtualArena24

2 жыл бұрын

@@marco31 do the mx500gb have dram??? I'm trying to get thus information but nobody tells

Thio is the type of guy everyone goes to for their computer problems

@supremerulah420

2 жыл бұрын

Is that why his earlier videos were the way that they were? To get all the BS out the way?? 🤔😁❤️

@raidone7413

2 жыл бұрын

No shit. I think everyone who is subscribed is the "go to" computer guy. Thio is more like the guy that computer guys go to when they have computer issues

@NightRogue77

2 жыл бұрын

Gonna have to disagree. I find he frequently has only a very passing knowledge of the subjects he talks about. Entertaining tho

@NightRogue77

2 жыл бұрын

For example he left out extremely critical information from the chart. If you look at the chart before he modified it, you will note that two drives on the left side are x4, with one on the right being x2. So for example, on the left, the chart is also comparing the HMB functionality between x2 and x4. It’s fairly obvious that double the PCIe bandwidth while using the HMB functionality has a huge impact on performance. It’s not like this was difficult information to spot either. There are errors like this in these videos literally all the time from my experience.

@thomasye

Жыл бұрын

@@raidone7413 Thios the computer computer guy 😎

The hard thing about choosing an SSD is that the specs of a product are often hard to find. Many websites don't even mention DRAM

@raul0ca

2 жыл бұрын

If you look at technical sites like Tom's Hardware they will often mention it. Take 5 minutes and go through the (20 pages) article

@RobBCactive

Жыл бұрын

The problem is when reviewed they may have desirable spec parts, then they change them to cheaper. That's why they obscure the specs as a legal loophole. This has been a general problem with less & less information provided to users

@tumultoustortellini

5 ай бұрын

I'm super late, but I just went on amazon, when the reviews, and typed dram in the search bar that's close to it. They've usually answered it there.

Yes! You mentioned HMB/Open channel! Nobody seems to know about this. Keep rocking it thiojoe, always a step ahead.

Perfect timing! I've been debating the type of ssd I need & this Will actually help allot. Thank you👍

Thank you for going beyond a consumer drive's box and mentioning the why for various technologies. Really didn't expect to also see enterprise level drive features mentioned when I started this video but it is a good addition.

Thanks for your honest and in-depth comparions!

Excellent overview, thank you.

Your channel is so useful and your content is so informative and transparent (and funni yes) Without you, my laptop would not be here today.

man!! this video is GOLD! Thanks for clarifying a lot of question i had.

Your videos are really informative and great. I would like to suggest you look into PCH vs CPU based PCIe and how that relates to your PCIe lanes available to the SSD as most consumer CPUs have a total 24 CPU-PCIe lanes (GPU-16+NVMe-4+PCH/South Bridge-4). The PCH offers PCIe lanes almost 20 but through the bottle neck of x4 usually on Ryzen x570 boards or similar in intel land. Not sure if you covered this topic but I think its a little risky to say just plug in any PCIe NVMe adapter, you could end up throttling your other components with out realizing it. Less SSD anatomy and more SSD ecosystem.

This was a really informational video 👍

Your content is so unique and useful! You are awesome LOL

This is great to know. Thanks ThioJoe

I was just about to but a new SSD, thanks for the new info🙏

Thanks! This is a lot of useful info

Great video! Thanks!

Super informative! 🤩 Thanks, bro! I was today years old when I learned why data transfer speed drops.

Only if all this information was always on the product's page...

@ThioJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, I hate when a product page doesn't even list the endurance and you have to go hunting for it

I have a weird drive. 2tb ssd and its QLC, however its set up so 128gb is SLC and used as sdram cache. As the drive fills, the cache gets smaller and converted back to QLC. I'm not sure if I like it or not.

Thanks Joe things that I didn't know is now known for when I purchase an SSD down the road.

Thank you Theo.

When I first heard about ZNS, it seemed like the consensus was that it could be implemented in firmware but never been sure.

Thanks for the tips James Franco.

Useful video, appreciate it. Please speak about RAID 0 and RAID 1 in SSDs because I've dug through the internet yet I couldn't completely understand the concept and what goes around benefits and non and what should I be looking for. Speak about other RAIDs please and I noticed that RAID 0 is found in performance laptops such as ASUS ROG Scar series. Hope you learn something too. Thanks again for the informative video.

Very informative

I remember when i was a kid i thought i could make my xbox 360 an xbox one because of your video. good to see you doing well.

FYI: Linux has had kernel support for HMB since at least 2019 (first time I checked, possibly much earlier) as standard.

*I've installed an 256 GB NVMe SSD yesterday on my PC and now watching your video!* 😃😃

@dontaskformyname6238

2 жыл бұрын

256GB! I recently installed an 8TB drive in my PC. Envy Me (NVMe), indeed!

Hello, Isn’t HMB the same as enabling the ’stop flushing write cache’ settings in the Strategy tab for each storage in the device manager? I wonder what’s the differences between HMB, not flushing write cache and similar proprietary features you can activate through the manufacturer software, like Samsung Magician’s RAPID mode.

Solid video.

@ThioJoe you did not mention Active State Power Management, which is a feature with various levels of support depending on the specific model. With support for low power modes V1.1, 1.2 or V1.3, you can get extremely low idle power usage (

@esecallum

2 жыл бұрын

how do you access it?

Thanks bro

Good video with plenty of details I didn't know about. Still, there are two things I keep hearing in many places and have to disagree. 1) Write endurance depends on which technology is used (QLC, SLC aso), what capacity drive you have and what you do with your computer. When I bought my first M.2 NVme I read about write endurance, googled estimates about average writes for home use and ended up with realizing that even a 1Tb QLC should last something like 14 years of normal use unless it breaks from other reasons. A 2Tb drive I would last even longer - theoretically twice as long. I would avoid smaller than 1Tb QLC drives if you remove/install large software like games often. If you just surf the web and do some office stuff so most of the drive remains empty and less cells are written to, a 500Gb QLC has more write endurance you'll likely ever need. 2) Not requiring users to change passwords was done, because people are lazy. The proper way is to have a password manager so you don't have to remember passwords and don't use simple ones. Changing them is still a good practice, though less important some old guidelines made it sound.

I'm a sucker!!! I bought a pair of SSD 15T drives from an online promotion and it took a month to get them and then they didn't work! i heaved them - lesson learned!

@mamupelu565

2 жыл бұрын

that sucks, I also bought a used monitor that was shite, money down the drain

For normal use a Dram Less will work just great and Host memory buffer is not needed because if your PC crashes there is a higher chance of file corruption.

thank you for the awesome info spoilers: TLC = boot drive QLC = Storage though i still use a SATA-SSD like mx500 for old school 4C-4T systems and it still rocks

Do you have any specific product recommendations for an SSD with TLC and DRAM?

I am using SATA SSD with DRAM. It's crucial MX500.

Thanks!

@ThioJoe

8 ай бұрын

Thank you as well! 🙏

I like how Joe seems like just a normal dude with a passion unlike some of these other Tubers.

Good vid ❤️

As with everything else it comes down to speed and durability vs cost when choosing and SSD.

@CaptainScorpio24

2 жыл бұрын

Evos r best

@wildbill4496

2 жыл бұрын

@@CaptainScorpio24 Depends on the use. They're great for internal storage, but the Pro drives are faster and more durable than the EVOs, making them better for boot drives. However, if price if your deciding factor then EVOs fine for boot drives.

@CaptainScorpio24

2 жыл бұрын

@@wildbill4496 I'm using Samsung 850 Evo 250gb since 2015 for boot programs n games. 7 yrs has been passed n it still works like day 1. Gona buy nvme top end 970 Evo 2 tb for my newly built 12th Gen i7

Consumer drives that support NVME Namespaces in general is very low and it requires OS/Application support. Zoned Namespaces takes this namespace feature one step further for enterprises.

ThioJoe is a nice guy.

Please also review Rapid mode and primocache software used to quicken SSD

Found recently a feature on enterprise SSDs which is called PLP Power Loss Protection. Will you make a video on this?

Thanks a lot for this video... Now I understand why it takes so much time to write a python programming folder to an SSD, cause they are pretty small files..

I have a NVR surveillance system that takes a max 12TB Surveillance hard drive and have tried several but are so noisy they were returned. Is there a SDD that is equivalent to a 12TB but reasonably priced? THX!

Thank you for making such education video for us . Thank you sir for the knowledge you give us.

WD Blue SSD is the best, Most robust..I've had them for ages.

Sorry Thio Joe already knew all of this. Types of SSD due to researching. Layers Per Cell due to your video 'How much longer does an SSD last' (Also Nand Flash). Dram due to Linus tech tips. HBM-ZNS-Open Channel-EWA due to this video of yours 😉

I came to learn one thing and when the video ended , I feel like I am Einstein of SSDs , Thank you sir

Well a SLC with DRAM Cache HMB, Open Channel, Zoned Name Spaces is the 1 you should get.

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@DominusZeikyu

2 жыл бұрын

Aye a fellow Palestinian! xD

I'm curious how ZNS interacts with wear leveling of the NAND flash

does my MB need to support NVME 1.2 in order to use HMB?

Everyone seems to fuss about TBW limits, but I've only ever seen one dead SSD and that was a very old SSD that got moved around a lot - were not even sure if it died because of flash saturation, it might have been physical damage or shorted. I've seen stacks of dead HDDs, some lasting only a year. Not to mention DOA rates seem to be much lower in my personal experience.

I'm wondering which SSD setup you'd recommend. I currently have a 2tb 970 Evo and wanna upgrade to the 980 Pro. Just Windows and software on one smaller drive and games, video files etc on another larger one?

@_monti142

2 жыл бұрын

if you have PCie gen 4 m.2 slot you should if you dont its gonna be the same

@CaptainScorpio24

2 жыл бұрын

Evo is best now. Wait for Gen 5 drives Gen 4 will get cheaper

@RealThore

2 жыл бұрын

@@CaptainScorpio24 I don’t care what’s in the future. My point was just if it would make sense getting 2 separate drives (one for OS and basic software, the other for games, stuff I edit etc) with or a single large drive

@CaptainScorpio24

2 жыл бұрын

@@RealThore yeah go ahead. windows n programs on 1 and other things on large 2tb currently i hv 850 and 860 250gb setups in tge similar way since yrs. will buy a 2tb m.2 for the same and replaced one of my as external

i cannot find model of my ssd.. it only shows "sata ssd" everywhere i looked.. but is it samsung or kingstone or?

Ye i have a old Kingston A400 ssd (it's like cheapest sata ssd) that drops to like 30MB/s when writing a large bulk of data

What happens when system variables like %Appdata% are set to a location on the D drive. Would you recommend this as a way to save C drive space on hybrid laptops like mine, which have a tiny SSD for windows and a big HDD?

@azmc4940

2 жыл бұрын

In my experience, this works in theory but in reality will likely create a hot mess. Can't you replace the SSD with a bigger one?

@raul0ca

2 жыл бұрын

Some utilities like Intel RST or StoreMI for AMD let you use the SSD as a cache for the larger drive without worrying about that

Hello, I don't know why, my Intel 540 240GB Series with MLC was constantly micro freezing my Windows (for a few fractions of seconds mouse cursor and Windows in general was freezing almost all the time). And it happened since was new, I bought it in 2015, one of the last ones on stock at the time, but sealed. Life remaining on it dropped pretty fast to 80 and something life, and performed worse than a TLC Kingston that is working perfectly now, no micro stuttering under Windows while moving files, watching KZread, saving files, etc.

Hi there instead of using ssd raspberry pi is good option

When buying an SSD for my PS5 for storage expansion, I just looked up and bought the kind and brand that comes with the PS5 and installed that.

I'm shopping online to buy a new budget desktop PC from Dell; something I would use for word processing, light web surfing, some email. I'm a senior citizen and Dell offers four (4) hard drive options on the desktop PC I'm looking at. They offer a 1TB HDD, a 256 SSD, a 512 SSD, and a 1TB + 512 SSD all in one HD. I don't know what brands of HD's Dell uses but the 1TB HDD is the cheapest of the four (4) drives. The 256 SSD is the next priced higher, the 512 SSD is next and finally the 1TB HDD + 512 SSD is the most expensive option. Could I get by with a 1TB HDD or should I buy a new desktop PC configured with a 256 SSD? Thank you for any positive feedback you might agree to offer on HD options.

@ThioJoe

2 жыл бұрын

For basic word processing and stuff, 256GB is likely definitely sufficient. If you can afford it, I'd always recommend going with an SSD over a hard drive for the main drive, because it's really a big difference in speed and responsiveness.

@Bigstevoreno0655

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThioJoe Thanks for the reply. Do you know much about Intel processors? Based upon my needs I can't decide on an i3, an i5, or an i7 which would probably be overkill for my basic computer needs. Could I get by with an i3 processor or spend more money for an i5 processor? Computer memory, 4GB, 8GB, or 12GB?

@Plasmacore_V

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bigstevoreno0655 An i3 is good enough for regular use (they've had 4 cores for a while now). More ram is better. I would not get less than 8GB. I don't know why they even sell computer with only 4GB these days.

@Daniel_VolumeDown

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bigstevoreno0655 Big role here plays processor generation and not just the number next to the "i".

so generally less capacity = more endurance. maybe I should buy 120gb ssd as the "write" tasks (temp folder, firefox/chrome profile, downloads, pagefile etc) am I getting this right?

@jsteezus

2 жыл бұрын

No more capacity equals more endurance all other things being equal. Having more nand cells due to the larger capacity means it has more cells use for garbage collection and wear leveling. Its proportional though so same drive all things equal besides capacity the 2TB drive will have double the endurance of the 1 TB

HMB is fine, but note that DRAMLESS is ABSYMAL when in external enclosures, or other devices like a PS5.

TLC is slower in what, read or write? Because a SSD with for example a game library stored on it is not gonna be written much.

I would love to see an Office Tour, we haven't really see what your office looked like

@robertcroft8241

2 жыл бұрын

Look at "My Awesome apartment", "Revealing My Secrets", "I built a Home Server" , There are lots of vids of his Apt since he moved to Arizona. He has a great Bar in his living room. !

It’s not cheap enough to buy QLC drives at this point. 25% cheaper but loses almost half of the TBW and a lot less sustained read&write, I’d rather get a TCL drive.

@CaptainScorpio24

2 жыл бұрын

TLCs r best

How to find out if a ssd has Dram ? Does the Samsung 970 Evo Plus have Dram ?

So, uh, which SSD do I want to buy?

According to Mr. Joe, Watching Linus Tech Tips make you a Genius. Watching Thio Joe makes you an expert.

Already knew to avoid anything below TLC and DRAMless SSDs, but good to know to avoid open channel SSDs as well. I dont think you touched the fact that having CPU do the job instead of specialized chip on the SSD would mean lot more CPU overhead, don't like that idea at all.

@josgeerink1350

7 ай бұрын

Below TLC? Don't you mean ABOVE? (QLC, PLC...)

Спасибо за материал )

not all lanes connect to cpu, alot go through chipset wich are slower unless you have the latest chipset/cpu. then it might be slower cause your gpu is eating up all the pcie lanes.

Does anyone watch out for us more than Thio Joe?

Long time no see video from u . KZread has stop recommending me ur video.

@_SJ

2 жыл бұрын

You can turn on the notification bell then select All

Yeah, Evo 970 Plus ofc. Thats 18;28 viedo compresed to 1 sentence

@CaptainScorpio24

2 жыл бұрын

What

Ooh gessss I always get wrong SSDs

DRAM-less? Lol That chart is a bit sketchy to use here, because I think the fact that three of those drives are PCIe x4, while the other half are PCIe x2, MIGHT have something to do with the disparities - not surprisingly, each X4 Drive is generally far ahead. 11:55 the blue bar is x4

@ThioJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Was simply going by how they were described in the paper

Hi guys, uh, so recently, I had this problem with my computer. It happens frequently and it's really annoying. For example, when I watch a random video, the screen captures a random moment of the video, and flickers it on my screen. I tried updating my display and restarting and updating the computer, but nothing seems to work. If someone can lend help, that'll be awesome. Thanks!

please, please, please do a full break down on micro SSD usage, flashing and >>recovery

Pretty sure SSDs slow down because their read/write speeds are benchmarked including the DRAM or HMB and that's why they slow down, because eventually the memory fills up temporarily.

You forgot to turn on the light at the first 40 seconds

Lol I'm just in the market for an ssd

How about universal memory?

0:22 I still don't have one mr Thio 😢

QLC is good for Long Term Storage TLC is a good middle ground for Runtime and Storage MLC/DLC is great for Runtime and costs more per GB SLC is the best for performance but the most expensive

What's the use of incognito ?I'm not a tech person

@mamupelu565

2 жыл бұрын

watching porn without it getting in your browser history

God made you with care to aid the techies with some archangelic expertise to take us to the tech heaven. Cheers from India.

Reminder that not all M.2 drives are nVME. Watch out for "nVME" SATA drives vs. PCIe.

@jsteezus

2 жыл бұрын

You mean m.2 sata drives. M.2 is the form factor. Nvme is the protocol that uses pcie.

@bwcbiz

2 жыл бұрын

@@jsteezus exactly. I put "nVME" in quotes because too many people think M.2=nVME.

After watching this video, I conclude my SSD is shit

Thnx man I'm about to buy a ssd tomorrow But I'm a moron and didn't understand anything 😐

I noticed a smaller SSD really pairs and plays well with a HDD 3TB. My Samsung 850 EVO 500GB ran PC fans loud. But, when switched to Crucial 120GB, both SSD and HDD play well together. 👌🏽

@AsifAAli

2 жыл бұрын

That's on a default Intel SATA Raid controller.

is it just me who feels that TheoJoe sounds like Theon GreyJoy

thio joe stapler

whats a good ssd