Spruce vs. Cedar top classical guitar comparison - Viktor Fogas lattice concert guitars
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Spruce vs. Cedar top lattice bracing classical guitar comparison. For more info on these guitars visit: www.guitarras-fogas.com
Hungarian guitarist Zoltán Draskóczy plays Bach BWV 1000 Fugue.
Recorded at Dohnányi Ernő Music School, Budapest, January 2017, while test playing a pair of new Viktor Fogas lattice bracing guitars.
Both guitars are made by Viktor Fogas Hungarian luthier, and bear almost the same tonal characteristics. However, some typical differences can be heard:
SPRUCE: brighter sound, more attack, excellent balance
CEDAR: warmer and darker tone, rounder trebles, basses like ocean...
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Loved them both. Red wine with cedar, white with spruce.
I can listen to Cedar much longer than I can Spruce.
0:07 spruce 1:04 cedar
The cedar sounded the best of the two. It seems to have a much fuller and more resonant sound.
Cedar is always the best in classical guitar .it sound deeper and warmer and romantic
Masterful job, both are great instruments!
Very nice side-by-side comparison. Thank you.
Spruce - a quickie Cedar - a romantic love making night
@tasosdiaforetico7377
3 жыл бұрын
In other words best too have both
@kanker5256
2 жыл бұрын
@@tasosdiaforetico7377 cedar is more expensive and is reserved to the upper class
@Adam-md3kf
3 ай бұрын
@@kanker5256that is complete nonsense
Thank you for sharing this comparison with us.
I feel Spruce sound is more aggressive and louder! Nice comparison.
I've owned both. Gotta hear them live, Cedar warmer, fuller, more subtle overtones and pleasing tone that can't be heard through very well through speaker or headphones. Spruce is clear, articulate but more 1 dimensional tone is a little harder on the ears and a llitte boring In my opinion especially when played side by side LIVE. Live listening is best.
Excellent demo... awesome technique you have BTW !
Depends on whether you are playing a recital or recording or mic'd (cedar) or playing in a cathedral, hall or church and want resonance throughout the space (spruce).
for this particular piece the one with spruce top is really the best choice
The spruce has some good qualities, but the cedar just just has a more magic sound to me.
Wonderful. Really liked the spruce top more.
Both sounded great
Thank you
both are full of beauty
For baroque, especially Bach, I go with spruce. Crisp, clean and precise
That was just beautiful. I was listen to it with my eyes closed. It was difficult to distinguish the spruce and the cedar. Thank you
@viktorfogas2520
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
wow what a great sounding guitars....all solid wood are very resonant if the wood had been seasoned / play-in sound and played all the times.
excellent example thank you
Cedar is the best for mellow music. I like it
I love both, one is not better than the other to me. It depends on mood
Nice playing! For this particular piece - definitely the SPRUCE baby!!!
Thank You. I definitely prefer the sound of the cedar.
Spruce is clearer and the Cedar accentuates the low frequencies of each register giving a more booming sound...almost like the notes stay on the top longer and the spruce projects them off faster giving less time for the lower frequencies to establish that over all boom
@haanashim
6 жыл бұрын
The lower notes on my cedar top have all kinds of complex overtones, though, whereas the fundamentals are stronger on the spruce.
@jhonnatanmontano2921
4 жыл бұрын
Oh! I don't know what you said but it sounds very scientific, so I'm going for a Cedar guitar
@ront2457
4 жыл бұрын
@@jhonnatanmontano2921 Go with what you like...It's all good
Spruce is clearer and has a more treble sound. Sounds best for music like Baroque. Cedar is warmer and sounds wonderful for Romantic era pieces. I have a Spruce top and Palo Escrito back and sides. Someday I hope to get another and this time a cedar. But not yet...not yet.
You can now have both in one with a new feature, "double-top" classical guitar
@mackhomie6
2 жыл бұрын
um what
I'm amazed at how little difference I hear. And I didn't listen to it with cell phone or laptop speakers, but with high-quality monitor speakers and audio interface.
That reproduces exactly the contrast between my spruce and cedar classical guitars. I'd call the spruce the extrovert and the cedar the introvert.
@tonyhall395
4 жыл бұрын
haanashim perfect analogy 😎😎
Wow you can hear the differance right away! The Cedar definitely sounds alot deeper and emotional, great for romantic settings. The spruce on the other side is lighter and better suited for happy and bright settings.
Spruce/bright punchy_Cedar warm deep
I want both..
Classical /Spanish =Cedar! For many pieces Spruce. Need both! Ha!
How do you record that ? What kind of microphones it sounds fantastic
Cedar sounds soft, warm and refine while Spruce sounds bright and louder
Great demonstration. It is clearly a personal preference. Personally, I like the Cedar top. BTW, both are beautiful guitars. Thanks for sharing this. John (WA, USA)
Will the spruce mellow yet retain the brightness
Acoustically, the cedar and the spruce guitar are beautiful. Both are suitable for performing any kind of music, but the guitarist's skill is also important. The tiny differences come in the case of musical pieces that require clean, mature, sophisticated playíng techniques, and include many long-held sound. Sounds beautiful on both guitars! Congratulations Viktor!
I like the one with the spruce top
Hard to pick - they both sound great...
@haanashim
6 жыл бұрын
You're not supposed to use a pick! :)
@felixmarinjr.66
6 жыл бұрын
haanashim you got me there haha... I had a very traditional classical guitar teacher who was even against using any electronic tuners but instead I had to use a tuning fork and tune the guitar from one string lol. But in the end he was right...
@kimbarsegyan
4 жыл бұрын
@@felixmarinjr.66 Why was he right?
The cedar is buttery. The spruce is sharper, cuts through more.
the wonderful bass really translates well, I'd like to see a comparison with some composite tops, i have yet to see one between say, a spruce/spruce sandwich, cedar/,cedar, and a spruce/cedar
Both please
I am definitely a Spruce guy, based on many yt videos now. There is more clarity to it, it sounds livier, dynamic and spicy for quicker bpm songs. Impacts me way more. Cedar despite it's reacher tone is boring mellow to me. Wonder if I would feel the same in case of live hearings.
Nice spruce guitar. Just one precision please: do you have make the sound hole by yourself or it's a manufacter original? Thank's
Difference between C9 and C10 in Cordoba guitars, please? I'm looking a guitar to play bossa nova. Which one is the best choice? Spruce or Cedar?
The spruce is more sensitive. I would call it nervous. Fine for Giuliani Grand Sonata. The warm cedar I would like more for Bach Chaconne.
So could the spruce sound more like the ceder as the strings age?....or then put carbon strings on the ceder to make it brighter like the spruce?...lots of variables..e.g nail length, hand tilt and position on board.
@dajomauler1365
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly. With cedar you have to use carbon or perhaps titanium treble strings to bring out trebles, with spruce you may want dynacore basses to make the basses sound richer. Then compare. Titanium, dynacore might be fancy names only D'Addario uses, though. Not sure.
@jadonx
2 жыл бұрын
@@dajomauler1365 with my yamaha nx3 spruce top I use the D'Addario ej45 normal tension but with a Savarez 543r Carbon on the G string as recommended by some to overcome the dullness of normal G string. I might give the Titanium a trial soon.
Cedar♥️
The main difference between lattice and traditional fan provided the luthery is of equal quality, A student with a weak technique a lattice will give you a clearer fingerstoke tone that requires a more refined fingerstoke with a relaxed tip joint on a traditional fan braced.
Para música del renacimiento o barroca (como esta fuga de Bach) = Abeto / Para música Romántica o Clásica = Cedro. El abeto separa mejor cada nota y el cedro las funde como en un acorde Definitivamente los bajos son más potentes en el cedro. Recordar que el abeto mejora su calidad con el tiempo y el cedro la empeora
CEDAR best !.. thanks.. ******
I prefer baroque, flamenco, bossa nova on spruce top, and classical and romantic music on cedar. On spruce you can clearly hear all the single notes, but if i had to keep only one i would choose cedar top.
What price of guitars?
the diffrences are clear as hell ..spruce is britgher sound Cedar has darker sound both are great
Hello, what strings are you playing here? Thanks very much
The basses sound amazing on the cedar top
What song is he playing?
I like the cedar top guitar best
that's bach fuga from sonata 1 g minor
O Cedar makes your life easier but Spruce Springsteen had a couple good tunes
@user-if5cs4tv3x
3 жыл бұрын
youtube cares too mich about your feelings to show how many thumbs down your comment got. just want to let you know ya got at least one, dork
Like normally intended spruce is brighter and best suited for Flamenco Cedar is warmer and best suited for classical or baroque
I'll take both, please. More guitars, fewer guns!
@attilakovacs5803
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely!👍❤️
Can you tell me what's the song? Thanks
@davepazz580
4 жыл бұрын
in the description...
Song?
If you are buying relatively cheap classical (solid top) then I think spruce will be a good choice. I thought I would like cedar more, I've had 2 spruce tops and I always listened some expensive cedar guitars videos ans was blown away with their mellow and beautiful sound. But then I went to buy a cedar top (around 300-600€ )and found that most of them sounded pretty dull compared to their spruce versions. I honestly thought I liked cedar much more but maybe their qualities shine better with more expensive models. And If you play other genres than classical I think spruce is more suitable for that. Just my thoughts...
@theomnetwork3898
3 жыл бұрын
In that price range, you would not be getting a concert-quality instrument, let alone a high-end student model. These are factory guitars so they are not going to sound all that great, and spruce will appear to sound better in that price range because there will be more clarity in sound. When you go to a higher end instrument, the sound will improve greatly. Also keep in mind, if you are used to playing spruce top guitars, you may have to adjust your technique a little with a cedar top to shape your tone. I too purchased a cedar top years ago for around the price range you mentioned and ended up selling it cause I also found it too dull sounding. If you get a chance to play some high end cedar top classical guitars, you will be blown away with the sound.
Cedar for intimate settings. Spruce for a larger space...
While the characteristic differences between Spruce and Cedar are present, I wasn't impressed by the sound of either of them. Small and boxy tone, with a congested lower register. Assuming it's not the player or microphone to blame, I'd move on to other makers.
How many did you pay????
Il y a plus de présence dans l'épicea que dans le cèdre; je veux dire plus d'immédiateté dans la réception du son et cela me convient mieux dans un concert par exemple.
Prefer the sound and the look of Cedar. Cedar top always looked really beautiful to me for some reason.
Does spruce or cedar getting beter by time
@jothaman3555
3 жыл бұрын
Cedar usually gets better as ages
@bh69videa
3 жыл бұрын
@@jothaman3555 I think it's spruce
@jothaman3555
3 жыл бұрын
@@bh69videa well, both get better but its more notibly with cedar guitars. Spruce get more resonant and a more (litteraly) mature sound. Cedar gets just deeper and deeper as it ages and just grows depth and strenght with age more notebly than spruce. But yes you are right!
i love spruce sound brighter and clearer than cedar. Cedar is good for Spanish music.
Cedar for me.
Think about the quality of the wood in the future, the cedar after a few years loses sound quality unlike the spruce, which the more years that the sound passes the better it sounds.
@pocalouis1964
3 жыл бұрын
Does spruce or cedar getting beter by time ?
The cedar is warmer and softer whereas the spruce is brighter and snappier. It all boils down to preference.
the spruce has that plus “pa” sound, I think its better.
This piece is for spruce top, so you should allways have one spruce one cedar top guitar
@attilakovacs5803
Жыл бұрын
I suppose it's not wrong if you have more of each either.
Cedar !
I have a solid top spruce for just 200 pounds, but it sounds better than my 1200 pounds solid cedar...
00:41 1:39
It's not BWV 1000 but BWV 1001!!!
Clearly completely subjective matter. By the way, has anyone ever constructed a full-cedar guitar?
@soundknight
6 жыл бұрын
I think cedar would be too soft to use as structural wood unless you were going to oversize everything xcept for the scale length.
@NotOrdinaryInGames
6 жыл бұрын
I just added a new quest: to find a full cedar guitar.
@jgrossma
6 жыл бұрын
I'm sure someone in the history of the world has built an all cedar guitar. But you're not going to find one on a store shelf somewhere and just because it "can" be done, doesn't mean it "should" be done!. Cedar is just too soft of a wood to make a good neck or sides. No factory or luthier is going to build an instrument like that for sale. If you want a light/blonde colored guitar, you can buy a flamenco guitar using traditional cypress sides. I've seen a few guitars with maple bodies, and although heavy, those are nice looking, too.
@TheJaguarMex
5 жыл бұрын
I have seen an all cedar guitar in Mexico. It’s the basic guitar to buy. They have white cedar and red cedar back and sides and cedar tops. I have pictures of a newly made all red cedar guitar a friend bought.
For me it's the cedar. It gives it a sound which is richer and resonant, which only comes from cedar. Spruce is less interesting.
Cedar forevar
Cedar
I much prefer the cedar for this piece/style
I’m so confused!
think I liked the spruce better.
Almost all comments says people like more cedar, as I do. But almost all classical guitar player play spruce more than cedar.
@jothaman3555
3 жыл бұрын
Allot of proffesional guitar players use cedar. I have a Alhambra Premier Pro Exotico guitar with a ceder top and Rosewood body and it creates sound that a spruce guitar can't. It really depends on preference
0:07 and 1:04
Hearing the same thing twice, more confused.
Spruce: 0:41- 0:51 Cedar: 1:39 - 1:51
@pictishblood5688
5 жыл бұрын
I believe the Cedar's mids are pronounced and rich, more like a voice. The spruce is crisper - more glassy.
@dontsubscribeme9547
4 жыл бұрын
@@pictishblood5688 spruce is king of acoustics... No matter what you have to say...
cedar will sound better in the hands of most players. but someone who has complete control of tone and volume will really bring out the good qualities of spruce, and perhaps make it sound superior
@dajomauler1365
2 жыл бұрын
In other words, cedar sounds muddy and hides mistakes and spruce is clear, crisp, and unforgiving. For complex jazz chords spruce is better. But also, spruce has the sweet and sour sound, or, as I call it in the case of Steinway piano - a guitar-like sound. Cedar sounds warmer and richer. Spruce is sweet and singing. To a certain degree, it is possible to improve the cedar trebles and spruce basses by choosing appropriate strings. In conclusion: it is better to have both guitars, but if I were limited to just one - I would choose spruce.
0:07 - 1:05
One thing not mentioned, spruce has a longer play in time before it "comes to life". Have generally found cedar to have more bass responce, and a bit louder, spruce has a sweeter tone. Also, spruce has a longer life span.
@Gieszkanne
5 жыл бұрын
300 year old Stradivaris are made of spruce and still sound great. Cedar wouldnt.
Spruce is like a beautiful blonde whilst Cedar a beautiful brunette woman
@attilakovacs5803
Жыл бұрын
Good point!