I really, REALLY hope Springfield is watching these videos and taking this information to their manufacturing plant.

@hstetser5376

Жыл бұрын

This video would have to be in Turkish language for that. SA imports these pistols

@Grodd70

Жыл бұрын

@@hstetser5376 I am pretty sure the SA -35 is made in America

@hstetser5376

Жыл бұрын

@Grodd70 It may be partially assembled here but am near certain it comes from Turkey

@Grodd70

Жыл бұрын

@@hstetser5376 I stand corrected, doing a Google search frame slide and barrel made in Turkey then internals assembled here. Well that takes it out of running for me. If I wanted a Hi Power from Turkey there are others at a lower price point. I'd maybe consider the FN but ill its "improvements" ruined the look compared to the classic HP. Plus it won't take HP mags, sure higher capacity is nice but so is being able to buy/ use Classic mags since they have been around for 85 yrs.

Wow, what a great deal! I can buy a SA-35 on GB for 3x MSRP, and then buy a real Hi-Power for a lot more money than that, then take all the parts out of the real gun and put them in my SA-35 (after applying a Dremel to the extractor channel, of course), and I'll have an SA-35 that actually works right once I get it refinished. Amazing. Seriously, though, I hope nobody is buying this stock and carrying it for self defense. I was excited to see a reasonably priced Hi-Power come out, and I really wanted one. It's a shame - it seems like Springfield would have put several thousand rounds through at lease a couple of these to check reliability, but apparently they didn't.

@PhuVet

2 жыл бұрын

They actually did but I'd bet that they sent those out for coating. The production ones are being done in house and the process is adding too much. I shot the example ones they were passing around. They were nice but they had a lot of finish damage so I bet it was thin to begin with.

GREAT video 👏👏👏 That SPRING ... I can only imagine in COMBAT, AT NIGHT ... having to give maintenance to the pistol for next morning's patrol 🤦‍♀🤦‍♀🙄🙄

Mark, thank you for your knowledge. I am really enjoying this SA 35 Evaluation series. Very interesting.

This has been excellent and you gained a subscriber and probable customer! Thank you

Fantastic work. Thanks for your dedication.

The slide serrations impeding the extractor and the spring bulging to the point where it is not functional will be frustrating. It appears this firearm was rushed to market with issues that will be problematic for function and reliability? Is the one you’re working with a prototype or a real early production? I don’t think a guy should need to get the Dremel out for surgery to remove metal on a brand new firearm. 🤦🏻‍♂️ you do a nice job on these videos. I really appreciate it. Thank you👍🏻

@stevepalincsar4273

2 жыл бұрын

Anyone who has one right now has real early production.

@Blakgun

10 ай бұрын

The one that I just purchased a few weeks ago (Sept 2023) doesn't seem to have the issue with the sloppy extractor channel. I don't have a build date available, but I know these aren't sitting on the shelf for long.

Impressive detective work! I hope that at the end of your exhaustive testing, you will make a final video summarizing your findings of the good and not so good discoveries from the entire test series.

So far I will take my older Portugal assembled Hi-Power. Functions every time. Has the parts kit from BH Spring Solutions. Be Well.

@lanedexter6303

2 жыл бұрын

I miss the commercial Hi-Power I bought in 1975. That one taught me a lot.

Hopefully Springfield addresses these issues in the next couple releases

I wonder if the cutter was worn or of spec when the slide serrations were cut or the extractor channel. I could see how these cuts could be made in a CNC mill and it is possible the person who did the assembly had several extractors to try before finding one that fit. I know companies try not to get into hand fitting firearms because it drives up cost. Part of the reason a lot of older designs are out of production is because they required some hand fitting. S&W started using MIM hammers and triggers on 3rd gen pistols because they required less hand fitting than forged parts.

I found this video posted on the Bullseye Forum. I've always thought about having a Browning Hi-Power, and the SA-35 seems like an excellent start, but having watched the video, I suspect I should wait a while until the issues are corrected, and the price drops down to where it should be. From reading the comments down below, you apparently have a shop - I did a search on the internet, but never found the right place. Maybe once I watch a few more of your videos, I'll figure this out.

I'm willing to bet that browning set their tolerances with blued slides, which reduces all surfaces (deductive process) SA is using cerakote or a like coating (additive process) this causes everything to fit tighter. S&W had that issue in the 90s when they went from the 5900 series to the 910. They do need to deburr the entire extractor recess. I'd say a 17° bevel. You can bevel the extractor instead, it will turn into a self cleaning channel. Btw, nice slide bite you have there on your right hand, can tell you shoot a high power.

@Blakgun

10 ай бұрын

Springfield uses a matte blue finish on the SA-35.

Where the hell is quality control at Springfield? Thanks for this video. I've changed my mind about buying one now.

I've had no issues with extraction in my SA35 after 750 rounds. But I'll take my extractor out and see if there's similar marks and issues with the spring removal.

I regret that I can only thumb this up just once.

Mark, in the visual comparison at 22:25 the length of the extractors from claw to pivot point is visibly different. Perhaps that also has an influence on the function. Curiously the FN Browning extractor (left) is longer in this dimension, which should mean a looser hold - conversely the Springfield (right) is shorter - perhaps too short? Just an observation. All the best, Rob

The more they make the better they will get. First productions often have issues. Should get fixed over time I hope. I enjoy the BHSS hi power university videos.

I just brought my brand new SA-35 back from the range today, and after about 150 rounds, I believe I ran into this same issue. Very suddenly the pistol became unable to get through a single magazine without multiple failures to extract.

I have one of these on order as I am on a waiting list. Have you passed on this information to Springfield armory? If not does your company work this extractor issue.? Meaning could I send it in to be done?

I have 280 rounds through my SA-35 and I have a failure to extract at least every other mag. I called Springfield and they weren’t aware of any issues. I’m curious to see what they find when I send it back this week. Thank you for all of the information.

@shoersa

5 ай бұрын

Give Springfield a link to this video if they are dumb enough not to have seen this video.

Not sure if I see the point in continuing to test the SA 35 when nothing except the frame is Springfield, any longer. I appreciate all you've discovered with this new gun, but you're no longer testing a Springfield Armory product. Any chance of going back to a basic Springfield SA 35 and running a couple of thousand rounds through the basic gun?

@stevepalincsar4273

2 жыл бұрын

They did say right at the beginning that a purpose of the test was to determine the suitability of the SA35 as the base platform for their custom guns; the other main purpose was to determine if their custom parts -- springs, etc. -- could be used in the SA35. It never was intended to be a Consumer Reports style evaluation of a stock pistol.

@z00miezoom14

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevepalincsar4273 Got it! But, it sure would be informative to see the functionality of the base gun before exploring "improvements". My take: I was interested, but not now.

@PPISAFETY

2 жыл бұрын

I tend to agree. I lost interest after this point as well. But Steve Palincsar in his reply does have a point, it was not the intention of BH Spring Solutions to really evaluate the SA-35 as a complete pistol, but rather as a starting point for their custom guns. Still, it would have been nice to see a bit more of a shooting test on a stock gun. But their earlier videos did provide some useful information from an engineering perspective before they started swapping out parts. For what it is worth, unless about two dozen or so other reviewers I've seen so far are all lying, I think the SA-35 will be a pretty solid pistol for the people who will actually buy it, and I think its internals are just fine. I think most of us who will get the SA-35 are buying an affordable trip down memory lane to the days when the Hi Power was a cutting-edge defense tool. Owners will probably not be putting huge numbers of rounds through these, any more than most owners of new 1911's (which are viturally all clones now) put huge numbers of rounds through those pistols. And to be honest, I think that the extractor channel issue is probably just a bad sample. If it is a more widespread issue, I'm sure we will all hear about it soon enough. That's why I'm waiting a bit to get my SA-35. I learned a long time ago never to buy the first of anything, or the last of anything.

@stevepalincsar4273

2 жыл бұрын

@@PPISAFETY +1 on never buying the first of anything.

@stevepalincsar4273

2 жыл бұрын

@@z00miezoom14 I agree. I hope some of the other reviewers continue with extended testing and issue additional videos. But I understand why BHSpringSolutions is doing what they're doing, and I am finding it interesting to follow their extended testing.

Why can't you check loaded chamber with the extractor?

In your opinon would it be wise to replace my Tisas with the Springfield. My tisas has an FN extractor and works fine but is the Springfield better in the long run?

@jb6027

2 жыл бұрын

At this point you'd be replacing your Tisas with a Springfield Armory-branded Tisas. You might want to wait a bit until SA comes out with a follow-up version that is more SA than Tisas.

@shoersa

5 ай бұрын

Don't get rid of your day job! I.E. your Tisas.

They tried to cover their tracks. Good detective work.

You Can start as early as 330 and work till 1230 if you want. I’m sure they can keep you busy

Is springfield union?

Really appreciate your detailed explanation.

And why mine is over 1000 and never a problem?

@shoersa

5 ай бұрын

Tolerance lucky!

I really enjoy your effort, work and explanations. I just don't understand you're so reluctant to criticise SA: the frame, slide and parts are soft, the gun functions properly only with original FN or custom parts... I'm happy to have a FN... and a Tisas bought for 1/3 of the price of the SA.

Garand thumb was having issues with his extractor not picking up the empty cases.

Love your product, love your channel!!!! BUT!!!!! Sometimes hard to listen to. You just used about 30 paragraphs to explain a 2 paragraph dissertation.

@shoersa

5 ай бұрын

Noticed this too -- LOTS of words to say what could be said in a few words.

So what you're saying is "Buy a CZ-75".

@PPISAFETY

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, that thought had crossed my mind as well, having owned a half-dozen of the actual Brownings over the years and an almost equal number of CZ-75 variants. But in all fairness, the designers of the CZ-75 had 40 years to see what needed to be improved over the BHP. Still, when you look at the probable "street price" of the SA-35 once demand settles down, it is awfully close to the price of a good CZ-75. Tough choice. Practicality favors the CZ I think.

@tomhorn1876

2 жыл бұрын

@@PPISAFETY practicality to include aftermarket support/parts availability that is nowhere close for the Hi-Power. I love the Hi-Power and won't part with mine. But...