Springfield Echelon Comparison
Shooting and comparing the Springfield Echelon with a Glock 17 and a SIG P320 M17.
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@Gunsandbunsmma
7 ай бұрын
You should do chapter 3 videos with all your old generation (gen 2, 3, 4) glocks and a gaston glock tribute video with every glock you and john own! We need glock videos that arent about gen 5 red dot fairies or black boys with their “blickys”. Too many of those on youtube
@InCognito-yq5ew
7 ай бұрын
G30 SF Gen 4 👍 might be to small for Hickok big hands? Please tell us about the secret city in Tennessee.
@meowmeowmeow2362
7 ай бұрын
Can we get a low budget movie 15 minute movie where you're a retired special ops cool guy and the bad guys come after you , title names think like a marksman / think like killer
@meowmeowmeow2362
7 ай бұрын
John Wick? Beverly heard of him but I do know a John Hick, okay?
@dackenisking
7 ай бұрын
I know you have been featuring a lot of Glocks, but because of mister Gaston Glock’s passing you should do a mini documentary as some sort of tribute? Would be nice!
this is way more interesting than, say, a car tire comparison video. the sound of racking the gun slide alone is music to my ears. fascinating stuff.
@insanity4082
7 ай бұрын
The SIG sounded like it needed some lube.
@masterk5066
7 ай бұрын
Well that was random 😂 Tyre Reviews out the UK very interesting to watch 4 me lol
I would say hickok45 has become a culture icon in the gun community. I just appreciate watching his videos and listening to him talk about history, gun stuff, or just life....
@myworldofsports1376
6 ай бұрын
His voice is just calming. Reminds me of a legend voice that passed away & moved on from radio/news yrs ago. I can’t remember his name but tornado could be ripping through your community & he’d keep you calm as can be.
This is probably my next purchase. I love my P320 but this seems way better. Been doing a lot of research. I'm also a big fan of Springfield
@drepop803
7 ай бұрын
Which ones your next purchase?
@bobagonoosh8483
7 ай бұрын
@@drepop803 the Echelon
@lolzol437
7 ай бұрын
You're a big fan of HS Produkt, Springfield still produces shit....
@bradcolby1
6 ай бұрын
Same,have the M18 about to buy it!Enjoy!
The echelon is the first gun I ever bought for myself. My dad had guns but it’s the first one I bought myself. And I love it!
5:42 Side By Side Shooting 6:42 Side By Side Analysis 9:49 Side By Side Precision Shoot 11:32 Side By Side Analysis 16:39 Glock for DaFence Friendly Reminder 327 Federal is the best Snub Nose Revolver chambering. Shoots 32 S&W Short or Long with no recoil and also 32 H&R and 32 ACP since it’s semi-rimmed.
@Gunsandbunsmma
7 ай бұрын
Friendly reminder that you can get over 400ft/lb of energy out of a 1 7/8” .38 with underwood’s 158 grain lipstick loads.
@327Federal
7 ай бұрын
@@Gunsandbunsmma38 Special is outdated
I have them all and I would add a PDP PRO SD compact to the comparison and I chose ECHELON, PDP, GLOCK,SIG, and in that order. They are all phenomenal firearms however so mileage may vary. In my opinion of the 4, you cannot go wrong regardless of whichever you choose. Thanks for your commitment to great content. On my bucket list to shoot with you one day.
Really liked the process. Thank you, Hickok!
I hope Springfield offers an Echelon compact size like the G19 shortly after the New Year!
@trouble603
7 ай бұрын
Me too.. or a compact modular frame and side, I already have the echelon.
@stephengross9441
7 ай бұрын
They do… go buy another gun grip from Springfield. $65
@trouble603
7 ай бұрын
@@stephengross9441 they actually do not sell a compact module. They have a smaller frame but the only differences is the grip is smaller.
@nomorerainbows
7 ай бұрын
it would literally just be a glock 19. The echelon is a damn near direct copy of a Glock.
@K1dPhresh1
7 ай бұрын
@@nomorerainbowswhat!?😂
Thanks for still going video's. I appreciate your opinions on all the guys you review
Hickok45.. I have a S&W 40, XDs 45 and a Ruger LC9s pro. My son has the Echelon and a lot of other pistols to include several Glocks. I have to say I really like that Echelon and hopefully I will be getting one soon. I also want their Prodigy.
Good comparison. Thanks, Hickok45!
Full size duty gun. It's great!
You are a national treasure, sir. I have been watching your videos for years and I always refer to you first when I want an unbiased, honest opinion along with humble, uncanny accuracy on a firearm/rifle review. I hope you are well (noticed you've lost some weight and hope it's a deliberate choice). Springfield owes you a commission as I am buying an Echelon next week - the iteration with U rear sight - since your video confirmed it's a solid product. Appreciate you and John!
I traded my Sig P320xf carry for a Beretta 92x but I missed it so much I bought a even more powerful P320 X-Ten!! I still have the Beretta too.
I own Echelon, 320XCarry gen 1 and G17 gen 3. My EDC was my 17 until the Echelon. I have a lot of custom work done with my 17 including a stainless guide rod and custom trigger work... lot's of time and $$$. Echelon outperforms my G17 with only an apex stainless guide rod...trigger pull is heavier by 1.5lbs but consistency and predictability are the key..... chassis system is going to win hands down!!! Love the Glock simplicity, just wish they would innovate.
@jqsoul4667
7 ай бұрын
Try the polymer 80 grip on your 320. I think you'll love it.
Mr. Hickok45, I just saw the zombie apocalypse movie Strain100 with you and Matt from demo ranch …. you guys are celebrities on the big screen as well as KZread how cool!!
I like what you did with the grip on the 17. Thank you, Mr. Hickok
Own a Glock G19, G17, G30s, and G45 (my favorite). Own a Echelon and a Sig P226 Legion SA/DA. I like the Echelon but need to get used to it. The Legion, in my humble opinion, is a good gun but better off for bullseye shooting than anything else due to the high bore axis. If I'm going to war? With what I've mentioned above, it'll be one or all of my Glocks, hands down. The Echelon might find its way into that category, but it hasn't proven itself to me yet. Completely reliable through 300 rounds, but my Glocks have all been reliable through thousands of rounds over the years. Good comparison video. Thanks!!
@ShittyCut
7 ай бұрын
No chance you’re comparing a 226 to a Glock and say the Glock is more battle ready than the 226.
@smuffinman
7 ай бұрын
You have a P226 Legion and still prefer the Glock? You're crazy! lol to each their own though
@richemmerling4705
7 ай бұрын
I've been accused of being much worse than crazy, so I'm good with it. 😆@@smuffinman
Just picked up the echelon. absolutely love this pistol
Ole hickocks influence and power is so great he can make trees grow leaves and make it warm again!😉 great as always hickock!
@callawayken650
7 ай бұрын
It was 35'F while we were out shooting today. An so windy. This video warmed me up. Missouri weather, it you don't like it hang around for a couple hours. It will be different.
From a personal point of view, I still prefer the XDm model from Springfield armory. I own 1 XDM in 9mm with the 5.25" barrel full size/duty pistol. I've rented the models you depicted above and still find the XDm as good or even better from an ergonomic point of view. I do own/prefer my all metal beretta 92FS and my other metal pistol, the Sig 226 from the latter 1980s is my bedside/nightstand "go-to" for those bumps in the night times.
@Orr_s
7 ай бұрын
I love my XDM full size especially after adding a trigger kit and adding hi viz fiberoptic night sights, as well as getting it fully stippled…. gun has never had any hiccups with all sorts of ammo. Cheap stuff, steel case…so on. It just does work. Its my favorite pistol to shoot next to my Shadow 2 which obv isnt fair since its all metal. But my shadow 2 is also the best shooting pistol i think ive ever shot. And ive been lucky to shoot quite a few over the yrs
Echelon is a winner and my next home defense pistol. I was shocked to hear Hickock choose it over the Glock.
Great video Hickok45.
Lots of quality firearms out there.
I’m waiting on the compact size Echelon.
What a great video. A comparison of all three pistols. Well done.
I got the large frame with aggressive texture and if your hands are big like mine you'll love it. I added a NDZ recoil rod which added a little more weight to the front and it shoots even better.👍🏽
My preferred full-size duty type pistol is the Walther PDP.
Interesting comparation, thanks Mr. Hickok.
"...before I go to war with this thing." Love this guy.
After shooting them all, I went with the glock 48 dropped in a 3lb. Trigger and its now my go to gun. It's great to have a local range to test out and try handguns. Thanks for your videos. Wish I had caught you at the gun show at madisonville. Glad I saw you at buds/uncle lees in Greenville. I came up to you before you did your meet and greet. Thanks for the hat, wish you a safe and healthy new year. Stay covid free sir. It's bad here in ky right now.
Carry the Echelon with Olight Badr Pro R in a Black Rhino tac holster. Easy to carry all day. And they make the Echelon in a "compact" form. It's called the "Hellcat" and "Hellcat Pro" ..... LOL ..... I also sometimes carry the Hellcat RDP with a Holo 407. I like it but it's like shooting a ball of barbed wire compared to the Echelon. 🙂
Hey Hickock, what is your favorite Glock gen?
Apologize if this was already asked, I did search some, lol. Did you try it with the large Grip Module from Springfield or was it just the large backstrap they send with the medium grip module?
@dking6412
3 ай бұрын
There certainly is a difference with the Larger grip module. I added it to mine and you can tell the difference immediately. Love it!
I went to my local shooting range, spent a couple hours, tried 8 different weapons.. 5 shots each at 8 yds.. was easy to compare ergonomics, shootability, and what worked best for me...
@swhittaker6747
14 күн бұрын
I did the same thing recently comparing what all I could with my DR920. What were your findings??
🤘🥳🤘Happy New Year John & Hickok
The difference in the width definitely makes a difference in felt recoil. Whats up everybody.
The Cicada bugs need silencers.
Would love a video on the cz 600 lux. I've been thinking about buying one.
Magical warm front brought all the leaves back.
RIP Gaston Glock. The best forever
I have small hands and I prefer the large back-strap on the Echelon. Amazing gun!!!
I own 2 of these 3, glock 17 gen 4 and Sig 320 full size. Very nice guns. I have not shot the echelon , but maybe purchase in the future. If Springfield would release 40sw version, I'll mos def pick it up. Thank you for the comparison video. I don't have echelon, but i do have PDP very good gun as well, compared to the echelon. GOD bless the 2nd amendment.
I felt the Springfield had more recoil as well...much preferred the CZ p10 to the echelon
@cliffdaniel539
7 ай бұрын
Which p10
@dm7934
7 ай бұрын
I compared the CZ p10c directly against the echelon at the range. Maybe it's the aggressive texture of the CZ..but I felt the Springfield has more felt recoil.
@TylerHaskiell-fs3mx
6 ай бұрын
Cz just beats everything. Walther being a close second
Awesome video nice guns thanks for sharing Hickok45
I agree with you. It seemed the Echelon was jumpiest, the M17 was next and surprisingly to me, the Glock looked like the best with little recoil…who knew. 😂
Excelente reseña son buenas armas muy completas, QPD Sr Glok
The 320 is the LAST polymer framed pistol I'd buy. Glock, CZ P10 series, S&W, Walther, FN, H&K, Springfield....all brands I would buy before settling on a 320.
Enjoy watching your videos
You should try the echelon with the large grip module! Seems like you have pretty long fingers. It’s a huge difference imo
Got the Echelon when it came out. I think it's great for whar it offers.
I’ve heard almost everyone else say the exact opposite of this that the echelon shoots softer.
@hickok45
7 ай бұрын
Guess I'm the weird one. All I know is what I perceive when I shoot them side by side, and I definitely have no axe to grind or gun company to please. It's mostly a matter of individual perception anyway.
@danfleeman7047
2 ай бұрын
I personally feel the same my echelon is more snapie than my m and p 40 for some reason I think it is oversprong my self
Echelon is best looking poly pistol. They got it right! 👍
If Springfield made an Echelon with a stainless steel slide...id buy one tomorrow! 😊🙏
Good video Hickok45
Another great video
I think the Echelon shoots the best it's very flat and the glock has the least reliability complaints. I still like sigs though even though it's not really the best.
Love the Springfield but I'll stick with my 17
I think he shot the best with the SIG!
@jayscoggs8549
5 ай бұрын
He literally missed the most targets with the sig 😂
As always, I appreciate Hickok45's knowledge of and opinion on firearms, to say nothing of his superb shooting skill. The SIG Sauer P320 series has just never appealed to me. Why such a very high bore axis on a striker-fired pistol? A gun notorious for firing if dropped, as well as self-firing even when holstered. No thanks. However, I do love the all-metal hammer-fired SIG Sauer P220, P226, and P229 series of pistols, especially in their DA/SA SRT frame-mounted decocker configurations. I carried Glock Gen3 and Gen4 pistols for almost 10 years, and I shot them very well, better than my old SA XDm pistols. However, I migrated away from Glock beginning in 2019 to the S&W M&P 9 M2.0 series of pistols because I shot them better than I shot my Glocks. For me, the M&P M2.0 pistols are just easier and more natural to shoot very well versus Glocks. IMHO, the M&P M2.0 series are superior to, and offer more bang for the buck than, the Glock Gen3 and Gen4 series. I've never picked up a Gen5 Glock, and at this point, I'm just not interested in them. The SA Echelon, I have to admit, does seem very appealing. I'd seriously consider one in 10mm Auto (presuming it's proven reliable), or at least .357 SIG. I'd want it with a frame-mounted ambidextrous manual thumb safety - a feature that I would personally like to see as an available option on many a striker-fired pistol in general. Good things! 👍
Bienvenue en France Monsieur, vous êtes le meilleur 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Assuming you haven't, you have to try the 320 with a polymer 80 grip. Will absolutely heighten your shooting experience. Best 320 grip hands down.
Happy New year..😊
It's how close can they get to making a glock without making a glock.... lol
Not winter there??
Have a safe and happy new year sir.
Ruhe in Frieden, Gaston Glock. 🕯🙏
I like these firearms
I have never liked the squarish grip angle and high bore axis on Sig/Sauer pistols. They naturally point into the dirt for me, and I find them, "flippy."
7:58 Or it could be the fact that, you have the hands of a giant. ha ha ha
First person to ever say this about the echelon. He shoot the glock well because of the YEARS hes shit them
I have the S&W M&P9 M2.0 as my daily carry gun. I chose this gun mainly because I am left-handed and must carry a gun with a trigger safety, instead of the thumb safety. What are your thoughts on this pistol?
@Gunsandbunsmma
7 ай бұрын
That it falls apart when dropped. That plastic backstrap insert held in by a screw in take down tool is ridiculous. They need to make the full size line a homogenous frame like the Shield. Then maybe I’d consider the MP9. Even the metal frame has a plastic backstrap insert. Not sure what they are thinking over at Smith and Wesson
@ThickCutOhio
7 ай бұрын
I carry the full slide. Most overlooked, underrated pistol on the market. I have an Apex flat face with the machined sear. Shoots fast and is hard to beat.
@waterhead1359
7 ай бұрын
@@Gunsandbunsmmathe m&p is an excellent pistol, better than most if not the best overall
@Followme556
7 ай бұрын
@@Gunsandbunsmma They are thinking they want modular pistol grip size. Like HK and a variety of other guns.
@Followme556
7 ай бұрын
@@Gunsandbunsmma yet there are no videos showing this alleged shortcoming of "falling apart when dropped" on youtube. Odd.
The Glock looked the smoothest. Very little muzzle flip.
Not a hater ) but can t help but notice the trees have green leaves ))
@damonlee3225
7 ай бұрын
Not brand new
@hickok45
7 ай бұрын
Yep, most trees produce "green leaves." :-)
@Dan-gi7yz
7 ай бұрын
@@hickok45 Thank You Sir for the Content. As amazing as the guns were to look at. I pay attention to my surroundings. Not afraid . Prepared )
@romans6two338
7 ай бұрын
Lol, great come back@@hickok45
Hickok are you planning to get the Walther PD38 in for review? Sootch just did and it looks like a great gun
Colt 45
Thank you
RIP Gaston. None of these other pistols would be here if it wasn’t for him
@hickok45
7 ай бұрын
Good point.
@nomorerainbows
7 ай бұрын
How on earth do you figure the 320 wouldnt be there withut glock? Glock invented nothing original in the G17. It was literally a combo of parts that had already been used for decades in a variety of other handguns. The Echelon is a direct rip off of the glock, sure, but the Sig actually has several features no glock ever made has.
@Nierlock
7 ай бұрын
@@nomorerainbows Did you know that hamburgers used to be unpopular in the US? Wasn’t until White Castle made the fast food burger popular here in the US. Then came Krystals, McDonalds, Burger King, etc. Point is, what would have motivated Sig (Or anyone for that matter) to make a striker fired polymer framed handgun if it was not for the success of Glock? Prior to Glock the only common commercial polymer striker fired gun was the HK VP70 which felt like a staple gun that fired 9mm. Companies chase success, Glock did nothing new, but made this idea successful better than anyone had before. Gaston was the trend setter, everything else is history.
@nomorerainbows
7 ай бұрын
@@Nierlock how about the fact that multiple companies were making Striker Fired handguns for literally a century before glock did? Go watch some forgotten weapons episodes brother
@Nierlock
7 ай бұрын
@@nomorerainbows Brotha, I really hope you are trolling and are not really this dense. I literally agreed with you that Glock did nothing original, Gaston simply took existing good ideas and made them into one product. He proved the model, so other companies followed. Let me ask you though. Since you disagree, if not Glock, which company/gun made every single major firearm manufacture want to make their own striker fired polymer framed handgun to compete in the market?
Dad’s got the Echelon for his EDC and he loves it! Biggest issue I’ve noticed is that we can’t find the extended magazines anywhere for sale! 😂
@Jedi054
7 ай бұрын
gunmagwarehouse usually has them. they were on sale a few days ago
@drepop803
7 ай бұрын
Probably because they've been falling apart. The 20rnd base plate falls out. Springfield has been keeping them and only giving out standard mags
@Jedi054
7 ай бұрын
@@drepop803 not true. I purchased one a few weeks ago that came with the 20 round magazine and I also ordered more of them yesterday. they're readily available at this point.
@sh0ts420
7 ай бұрын
@@drepop803 completely untrue when you buy the gun you should get a 20rd and a 20rnd base extension for the 17rd. mine did and as long as you install it proper with the wedge out they wont malfunction and you get 2x 20+1 magazines
@whcw11
6 ай бұрын
@@sh0ts420 he's half right. SA apparently redesigned the extended mags, most likely to address the falling apart issue. They now have a slightly different design and should be widely available either now or very soon.
m&p full size, cz p10f ,walther pdp full size , so many others to compare
@hickok45 please compare the M17 vs the 1911 bore axis.
Man, it sure is green up in Tennessee for late December. 😂
Is all 22 ammo safe to shoot on steel.. Gotta shoot cheep these days..
@kylefarris4686
7 ай бұрын
Safely shooting steel is mostly about the steel.
any chance you could do a review on the cz bobwhite
The enveter of the glockenspiel past away this morning
RIP Mr. Glock, our generation’s JMB
I own this Ashlyn, and it's the first or actually. It's the second gun that I did not put a Talon grip on it. But you have talent grips on the Glock and the P320 so. To compare the Ashland that doesn't have any talent grip on it. I don't think it's a fair comparison. You know, as well as I do that. Your gun feels better with a Talon grip on it. And the Glock has 2 layers of Talon grip on it, so don't make a fair comparison until you put a Talon grip on that Springfield. 😊
Have you done a video on the PSL Dragunov? I have one and have some questions about the right ammo to use, I have alot of 180g surplus ammo but heard that it may damage the rifle. What is your professional opinion?
My echelon has the u shaped ring on the rear sight, I don’t know if the sights on that one are aftermarket or if it depends on where you live but that’s the first thing I noticed.
@LOMROB
5 ай бұрын
Just the particular model you purchased. They are not aftermarket. Other models come with three dot sights.
Has Echelon supported chamber?
I have all sorts of psychological problems 😂😂😂
Could the felt recoil be worse than the other two due to Talon grips?
I just hate how the p320 frames all feel like they are made to be immediately trashed and replaced. There are 200 dollar guns with higher quality plastic. The 50 dollar replacements are so much better than what you get from Sig. Echelon and Glock have great quality frames. The Echelon looks great I just dont want an ambi mag release. It should be something that is removable for whatever side you want it on.
That Glock is great for hammering nails. 😂😂
I think the slide on the Echelon would sell me! Easier to rack with deep serations and wing on back.
Have you reviewed the stoeger str-9 MC ?
I have 3 Glocks and one Sig. an Sig P320 X5. I’m sorry but that P320 shoots so much better than any of my Glocks. And guess what, I’m In California. Yes, I have a a P320 X5 😂
How do you compare echelon to canik mete pro series?
We have full size glocks, ruger, sigs, and caniks. As for felt recoil the old p89 is the worst. Caniks are the best with glocks 2nd
@96stealth
7 ай бұрын
That’s because Caniks are over sprung.