I watched specifically for the chamber fitment. No one else I follow talks about that. Looking forward to the range review.

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

Give it time and I bet others start doing it. What's For Dinner was unique for a couple of years and now I see multiple channels imitating it.

Phenomenal manufacturer and an outstanding duty sized firearm. Ditto for the quality and rugged design of the Hellcat Pro. I’m at around 1500 rounds on my HC Pro and I’ve had 100% reliability. I can’t wait to add the Echelon to my small collection. Best tabletop review I’ve seen. I’m no fan of what SA did (for a week or so before backpedaling and apologizing) in Illinois, but HS Produkt is a phenomenal manufacturer.

@dado380

9 ай бұрын

Allegedly this was the first time that HS didn't meet demand for the Echelon in US. Apparently they outsold Hellcat on yearly bases in just two months!!

Article with full review, specs, and pricing: *UPDATE: Changing the backstraps is very easy if you have long fingers, simply press on a tab inside the stock and the backstrap slides off.

The best review channel on youtube the table top gives a great view of the pistol. And the range review gives an honest accuracy test as the only way to evaluate accuracy is on paper targets. Unlike a certain reviewer that blasts away at steel's impressing no one. Great work Graham.

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

Thank you.

Great review. Springfield's not wanting to put an actual manual in the box means I won't buy one. There are many others that put a print manual in the box.

The XD and the Hellcat had a baby, natural selection weeded out the grip safety...Hallelujah!!

I've been looking forward to this review. I don't know why you don't have 10 million subs because your reviews are hands down the most in depth. If you're looking for ideas for reviews, i was hoping you might do one on the RIA 5.0. It's made in my hometown in Utah.

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

Thank you. We got to somewhat handle the 5.0 at SHOT Show last January. I wasn't impressed, the pistol seemed to not know what it was trying to be. I was really interested in seeing the action (how the gun works) but the Rok Island crew couldn't show us because "we don't have the tools for that". Aside from full-length guide rod 1911s the need for tools is a big turn off. At least with those 1911 guide rods a paperclip is usually enough.

After the Echelon influencer blitz, we finally get a review that feels honest. I too am disapointed by the registration B.S. that Springfield is requiring for a manual, they 4th ammendment withers a little in my opinion. Looking foreward to seeing what projectile quisine the Echelon likes to dine on.

@anthonyarcher7268

9 ай бұрын

Lol he's on a script just like the rest of them.

Im waiting on a full grip with a 4 inch slide My XDM E Compact 10mm is a fine pistol I purchased a HS-2000 back in 2001 or 02 .. NIB OTD for $250 .. absolutely a great Pistol Thank you for your honest reviews

Excellent review and thank you for not hopping on the SA promotional bandwagon. Btw, my problems with SA concern their ethics, not their politics. I suppose one reflects the other. SA Is far too ethically challenged for me to detail here, so I'll be gracious and just say... "They sure do know how to import from HS and assemble parts they don't manufacture...but they're even better at putting lipstick on a pig"

The reason for the texture on the guide rod is used for a standoff tool keeps slide from going out of battery.

That COG and optics mount is cool,hopefully the aftermarket comes out with new frames and support for this gun so we don’t have to give S.field any more money.I want to try one but gonna try wait for used one.

I like this gun. We got one at my job during the initial release and Springfield gave us one for customers to shoot for free. I will add this one to the collection i just have to have a few chassis systems in my lil collection. The P320, APX, and Ruger American pistol all shoot great. Even if there aren't a lot of aftermarket accessories for each manufacturer, it's easier to do a deep cleaning for each to me at least by just popping out the chassis and really getting in there

Been waiting for your review before I buy. I don’t put much stock in the influencer reviews. Thanks as always for the no bs reviews

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

Thank you. The full review is up on our website.

I am really excited to watch this. I went to the release of this pistol and really loved the feature set. I run a Glock 17.5 for HD/OWB and this seems like a 2023 version of that gun.

@jamesmaysflyingwashingmach7459

10 ай бұрын

Personally I'd wait a couple years for the reliability/durability reputation to really hold up. I was all for the p365 xmacro, but then tons of people said the finish wore out more in one year than most guns do in five years.

@_Jashawuh

10 ай бұрын

@@jamesmaysflyingwashingmach7459 I have noticed whenever I pickup a P365 variant at my LGS they look like they have marks in the finish and polymer lol. They for sure seem like they are made a little cheaper than they should be.

Thanks again for another great review. We enjoy your professional presentation and reviews. 🙏👌

Thanks for the share!!

Great video, I really appreciate your attention to detail. It makes all the difference.

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

Thank you

Thanks for the video.

I’ll be looking forward to the range video. Thanks

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

That''s already out on our website: www.gbgunsdepot.com/post/springfield-armory-hs-produkt-echelon

I appreciate it. I just got one tooo... really excited to break in

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

The trigger did seem to get better after some rounds were through it, but that could also have jsut been me getting used to it.

You are correct. The media blitz was obnoxious. So much so, that it almost made me dismiss this excellent gun. When something is great, it speaks for itself. My Spidey Sense goes off when too many people, including those who have overhyped products in the past, assume their positions on the bandwagon.

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

My easy check is to see if the videos are coming from reviewers or influencers. If they're part of the Leviathan Tribe it's safe to suspect they may be on the take. It doesn't mean every video those guys do is bought, but it does mean they're willing to make videos for a paycheck: www.leviathantribe.com/

@traeucity6087

10 ай бұрын

@@GBGuns , Wow! I feel like Rowdy Roddy Piper, in, 'They Live'.

Great review as always Graham. I'm looking forward to your range video. From what I've seen this is a pretty good weapon.

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

The range review is live on our website GBGUNSDEPOT.COM

@romans6two338

9 ай бұрын

Thanks, watched it and great review as always.@@GBGuns

Darn it! I was really trying not to get one, but you may have just sold me.

I agree with you about the onslaught of same day reviews by every KZread channel out there in the day or two. Because of that I didn't watch any of them. I preferred to wait and watch this one and enjoyed it. Every time I look at the Echelon I can't help seeing the Walther PDP resemblance.

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

I try not to let it poison my feelings about the channels involved, because I know they likely have no idea how big the launchh is, and all eagerly want to get in on those release-day clicks, but when it's a wave of shallow reviews all delivering the same talking points without really talking about the gun it can be very disappointing; leaving me feeling like I know no more than I would have from a 30second tv commercial.

I'm very purposely a value oriented buyer and I appreciate your detailed approach. We all know the various foreign made pistols offer great value. The question I continue to have is what makes one pistol "better" than another and justifies greater cost? Springfield's striker fired pistols are perfect examples since they purchased a Croatian company, rebranded their product and raised the price. Did Springfield make improvements? For earlier models, I don't know. Certainly for the Echelon since it's their most recent. I understand why all steel or aluminum guns cost more and I appreciate the quality of metal alloys and polymers matters for durability. The quality of the materials used in Sig products for example, at least appear nicer than some others. Once you shoot the Echelon, I'll be interested to know if you think it warrants a premium to some other striker fired, polymer framed guns. Not to pick on Springfield, of course I have the same question about guns from HK, Walther, FN and many others. I'm beginning to believe for firearms, "value" is at least partly subjective; a question we can't fully answer before shooting the gun to see whether we personally like the feel and accuracy.

Pozdravi iz Hrvatske ! 😀😇👌

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

Dobar dan!

Great content. Thank you for sharing. I was gonna get one but that registration crap to get a manual was a deal breaker for me.

@GBGuns

9 ай бұрын

They've changed that since this video was filmed

This FCU or Module or whatever Croats call it looks plenty beefy. Bit more like the Beretta APX than Sig. I am Giving this heater serious consideration for the prestigious title of “Big Daddy’s Seat Cushion gun”. But Could not possibly do so until the ‘What’s For Dinner’™ returns have been tallied, tabulated and 3am adjusted accordingly for the win! Very much Looking forward to your next installment. cheers

@GBGuns

9 ай бұрын

Thank you. The full review is available through the pinned comment.

I just hit 2k through mine. No problems. My only complaint is the ambi mag release. I had to switch to the Apex single sided one. I would get occasional mag releases in some vehicles when carrying OWB. I think Springfield did a great job with this one.

@JD-tn5lz

10 ай бұрын

Springfield didn't do any job on this one. They're a customer/importer and nothing else. Springfield has never developed one single firearm. The Echelon is a product that HS developed ENTIRELY on it's own so they could finally successfully compete in the LE/MIL markets. I believe the Echelon has been offered on the European market since early this spring. No, Springfield was offered a chance to sell it in the USA and they jumped at it. I expect they really don't have an option since HS only has so much capacity...

@anthonyarcher7268

9 ай бұрын

​@@JD-tn5lzFalse. Springfield specced this gun. FCU guns are made for America. We have the money and the laws to be the market for pistols.

@anthonyarcher7268

9 ай бұрын

You know damn well you just had to make a comment to suggest people go to apex for the mag release.

@GBGuns

9 ай бұрын

My "COG" is marked Croatia.

@bradzufall9572

9 ай бұрын

@@anthonyarcher7268 They are the only ones offering it so far. I'm not affiliated with them in any way.

I hated springfield for what they did and the hellcat did not move the needle but the hellion had me eyeing and the echelon has me salivating. If only grandpower would make a p365 competator with its unique action.

@romans6two338

10 ай бұрын

I own a Hellcat and it's an excellent weapon.

I wish HS had a relationship with another company,sucks to give the unnamed company above any credit for the hellcat or this new gun,never mind the XD,especially with the XD you could get the HS marked guns as imported or surplus I believe for like $250 or $300 at the time S.field buys a crap ton puts there mark in it and a few magazine adds bammm $600

Good review, thanks. Is the magwell beveled? Looking forward to range review.

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

Magwell is shown in the video. Gull review is already live: www.gbgunsdepot.com/post/springfield-armory-hs-produkt-echelon

@toddparsons2980

10 ай бұрын

@@GBGuns the inside?

I guess if the grip texture gets caked up perhaps you can always take out the trigger group and go wash off the frame in the sink. Provided you dry it off properly.

Great tabletop review! Between this, the prodigy, and the hellion, Springfield has been bringing some really good product to market at pretty good prices.

@JD-tn5lz

10 ай бұрын

"bringing some really good product to the market"? Whaaaaaat? You're way too generous. No, they have the import contract with HS Produkt. So whatever HS Produkt develops (a word unknown to SA) for the European police/military market and manufactures (another word unknown to SA), SA has the exclusives for it SA is an importer and customer of HS Produkt and an Assembler of poor M14 knockoffs and 1911s . Bring to market? Geesh, I suppose in the same way Century brought the C308 and WASR.

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

@JD-tn5lz yes exactly, without them import8ng it wouldn't be in the US market.

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A silly feature or well thought out? My guess is the texture on the end of the guide rod is so the firearm doesn't slip when pressed against............... My apologies if I missed the explanation: chamber fitment with nosler no longer? You're concise explanations (not T&E with a red dot) are highly appreciated. Most gun tubers would leave it at just: it can mess it up... and us layman are left not understanding how that could possibly be. Thank you sir, for your due diligence.

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

I bought a batch of Nosler that wasn't performing as I'd come to expect. I don't know if it was a fluke or if things have changed there, so I moved to another trustable ammunition with a more common bullet profile for chamber fit checks.

@Zach-ov1cd

10 ай бұрын

@@GBGuns duly noted. Thank you for the reply sir.

Completely understand about not cutting Springfield any slack because that was me until recently...Merica has always been about another chance,given their recent designs and denouncing their past,perfect is truly the enemy of good enough👍

@JD-tn5lz

10 ай бұрын

None of SA's recent designs ARE THEIR DESIGNS. SA has literally never designed anything. The Hellion and Echelon were developed by HS Produkt and HS Produkt alone. They were developed by HS for.HS's own purposes, to break into the LE/MIL markets. The Prodigy is a sorta 2011, literally nothing new about it, just another pistole assembled (not manufactured) in Geneseo.

@t2brfu67

10 ай бұрын

@@JD-tn5lz Semantics do matter...However,unaware of any reputable name bringing said designs to our market.

@JD-tn5lz

9 ай бұрын

​@@t2brfu67actually they've merely joined a parade. With this...another striker fired polymer framed evolved from or inspired by Glock. Let's see...Walther, Sig, S&W, CZ, HK, Canik, SAR, etc. The Hellion? The Tavor and Steyr Aug to just quickly name a couple. Again, SA hasn't contributed anything to the industry

@t2brfu67

9 ай бұрын

@@JD-tn5lz The market and industry are different,there is no sense in bringing something unwanted to market.The market always requires a better product and has spoken quite clearly.A repeating pistol is primarily a defense tool.Hence Glock's success,their weaknesses leave an opportunity for others.

Always be sure what you download. 'Q' codes can at times contain malware you allow in. You had concerns about giving all your information. Now YOU may give that information.

Lots of creep in that trigger, kind of looks like they were copying off the pdp a bit. Thanks for the great review

My only compliant is the ambiance mag release. I don't like it being on both sides.

Thanks influencer.

Saw some videos about this gun and I’m surprised to see that chamber support .

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

Did any of those influencer videos check the chamber?

@user-jetmachinist

10 ай бұрын

@@GBGuns Only you as always check the chamber support.

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Before I watch the shooting video,gonna make a prediction the magazine craps it’s guts out like almost every other video on this gun I’ve seen,check those base plates if you buy this apparently

Reading a manual would make disassembly and reassembly easier... 😂

If you check out enough other reviewers, you're bound to find one to help figure out the back strap replacement..hint..it seems very simple to do

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

Just as simple as reading the pinned comment ;)

If it wasn't for the HS Produkt pistols Springfield wouldn't have a decent pistol to sell.

@jamesmaysflyingwashingmach7459

10 ай бұрын

I dunno, their Emissary 1911 has gotten good reviews. It's just way too expensive for me, much less to use as a carry gun.

@22Phanatic

10 ай бұрын

All of their 1911’s are fine pistols so I don’t agree with that statement ! 😂

@buncha5651

10 ай бұрын

​@@22Phanatic The Prodigy has a lot of issues i wouldn't buy one.

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

We recently bought and reviewed a Prodigy. Either Springfield fixed the issues and/or a lot of the issues were user errors by Springfield's "influencers". www.gbgunsdepot.com/post/sprongfield-armory-1911-ds-prodigy

Too many magazine issues. The base plate falls off and the whole magazine comes apart, with rounds dropping everywhere. Also, the slide does not lock back after the last round on occasion.

Graham: I have a hard copy of the Echelon on my pc and cell. I would like to send it to you via email. Suggest a way to make it happen, without divulging any contact info to the entire KZread world. It is 52 pages chock full of photographic goodness, demonstration that HS Produkts and Springfield Armory.....CARE! I am at your disposal>>>>>>>

@9u9l9w

9 ай бұрын

Oops..."Echelon Operation and Safety Manual"

@GBGuns

9 ай бұрын

@@9u9l9w I apprecaite the offer, but was able to figure it out. I hear Springfield has also now dropped the mandatory registration to get a manual.

I'm interested in the compact model, these full sized guns are only useful for plinking.

Wait, you can't get the manual without registering the firearm? Wow.

@GBGuns

10 ай бұрын

Not by following the QR code included in the box. A reader told me they were able to get to it through accessing the Springfield site nromally.

@rob6850

10 ай бұрын

@@GBGuns oh ok good. But that is still nuts; hopefully not a new trend.

No these are cool cuz they are built by a U.S. ally, not in Illinois 🤭

I don't know how you all got yours so cheap but mine was $699. And im not that impressed with it, its average

Do you NOT register your purchase for warranty coverage, with other manufacturers? Is it a fear of S.A. because of your displeasure with them in the past? That they will pull a Liberty Safe? But really, the F.ascist B.ureau of I.ncompetence could walk into any manufacturer and take by force all warranty data. As if they need it since they know when every credit/debit card is used contrary to their liking.

"...it's activities in Illinois.." Huh? That was ONE incident. Years ago. By a third party. Get over it already.

I hate overhype over weapons (any weapon). Like little children. But after a torture test by a dude with a beard (no idea the name), I decided to buy it.

I'm indifferent to Springfield Armory given that I'm anticapitalist but I also find it very funny they tried to dick over other firearms companies. It's difficult being pro firearms and personal and community defense but anti the companies that mass produce those tools. Granted you can make your own guns extralegally.

*Overly expensive junk plastic gun. About only thing Springfield makes that's good is their 1911 and Browning stuff. And that's still MEH. And I would still take just about any gun over a Springfield.*