LOL, years ago I took psychedelics and thought about Spotify. I had a clear image in my mind of radios playing in a dumpster, entire landfill of radios playing a song just to make money, but no one was listening.

@soundlearn

Ай бұрын

Brilliant.

@saoirsecameron

29 күн бұрын

“People writing songs, that voices never shared And no one dared… disturb the sounds of silence”

The quality of this video is AMAZING, I seriously enjoyed watching it so much. Great editing bro!

@soundlearn

2 ай бұрын

Thanks a ton!

@freetory

6 күн бұрын

With a video talking about greed vs creativity, I think a statement had to be made😂

10.000 plays only pays out $25 😂 Spotify is the real fraud here.

@flameguy3416

9 ай бұрын

Funny that TikTok is even worse

@jUQMtDmf

9 ай бұрын

That doesn't even seem that bad to me.

@neonatom8646

9 ай бұрын

@@flameguy3416 tiktok earns you money through livestream gifts and partnerships instead

@IzzyIkigai

8 ай бұрын

@@flameguy3416 yeah tiktok is like orders of magnitude worse but that doesn't take away from the fact that spotify is ignoring this issue because they make money either way.

@downtownbillyandthenewjivefive

5 ай бұрын

The real problem isn't platforms: it's the audience who expect everything for free.

I’m astonished at how the root of every problem on the internet - and the whole world if we’re being honest - is that a things are broken because a few people benefit from them being broken. And those people just so happen to make the rules.

@soundlearn

7 ай бұрын

This is true. I miss when the internet felt like it was made up of thousands of people instead of a few dozen companies.

@Henriqueoi

2 ай бұрын

@@soundlearn mas ela ainda é, é que usamos meios de pesquisa e soluções que aparecem na primeira pagina do Google...

@LoserDub

28 күн бұрын

@@HistoryforThinkers honestly if they took the # everyone covets over god, views follows, subs, likes, think how real the internet would be

The quote you say about AI not removing creatives but destroying the platforms we have been forced to rely on is pure gold!!! Great video overall...

@LoserDub

28 күн бұрын

@@iamYork_ hmm if this is truly what was said, touchee good point

You, sir, just got yourself a new subscriber based on this video alone. Great topic, reserach, presentation, production and delivery. It's criminal that you're only at 2.5k subs where the new offspring of the very plague you're talking about here (ie : 'facelesss' AI generated KZread videos) are raking in views/subs. Keep up the good work. :)

@soundlearn

10 ай бұрын

Appreciate the kind words! Put a good bit of effort into this video so your comment goes a long way. There will be plenty more coming so thanks for the sub!

This is truly awful. These people are sucking from the very limited pool of money available as streaming revenue. If this becomes rampant Spotify won't suddenly be okay with making less, or no profit. They're going to reduce payments to artists even more. Great video. I wish there was a solution.

@mecd4167

6 ай бұрын

That pool is only limited because of Spotify's Greed

@muzy8768

3 ай бұрын

Ye they are controlled by big labels​@@mecd4167

@LoserDub

28 күн бұрын

@@SeanofAllTrades im with you, but i noticed he said something about it really funcking over Spotify and thats a good point

That ending of the artist painting upto their arms was great. I love seeing imperfection & something natural in a real environment.

Phenomenally made video, you're SO fantastic at narrating, I kept looking at the amount of views and could not comprehend why is it not millions!!! SO WELL MADE, instant subscribe

@soundlearn

Ай бұрын

that means a lot! Thank you for the motivation.

Tbh I'm not sure this is AI. This might just be some clever scripting. I mean, I've found a whole VA Sampler with 35 of those 60 second songs that's called "Fashion & Chic Music Selection 2020" where the metadata of the album on spotify says released 1st January 2018 and all 35 songs where made by "[italian sounding name1] & [italian sounding name2]" because one of those weird songs endet up in my rewind. From what I could find this must've been going on since at least early 2019, and Spotify is simply complicit in this. Which is something advertisers should be interested in, given that botting like this wastes their money. Oh btw found that if you Google that sampler's name and scroll down a bit, you get to chosic and gemtracks, both of which have hundreds of similar songs in albums that are all named like "Generic Ass Sampler Title 69". One of them was literally "Beat Jams, Vol. 68", googled that, found them up to "Beat Jams, Vol. 200". All from "[random italian sounding name]". Like at this point I'm asking myself if there's more italian sounding names on spotify than there are actual italians... What I also found was several label names that either didn't exist or existed but only released a few albums 10, 20 years ago or still release but completely unrelated things but on sites like beatport or spotify have *thousands* of albums attached. Among them are Selectronic, Planet Blue Records, Planet Sounds Records, Balearic Stories, Blue Pie Records USA, News Music Records, and then there is "Italian Way Music", which is the one that doesn't fit that pattern.

@soundlearn

8 ай бұрын

Good research, maybe I’ll make a follow up video at some point since things are constantly changing in the streaming world.

great vid, editing was very well done, content was great too

@geo-mic

10 ай бұрын

you bot

Great video man. I knew about bot problems on Spotify before, but never would have guessed, that they can use it in such a crazy way. Well Spotify announced that they will let artists pay if they get bot streams, but I wonder if that will solve this problem or just create new problems. Just imagine beeing a small artist and some random guy buys a ton of fake streams to force you to take down your music on Spotify as you dont want to pay the Spotify fee for this fake streams... I'm excited to see how the journey continues...

Man! This is the best video I’ve seen so far about this topic! Great content! ❤

Love your video...This is the shocking reality of the internet. Spotify needs thousands of uploads a day to keep in front of the game. If Artists & producers stop uploading to non helpful, AI bot driven algoritham sites, the music business would have to change. This is the world we are in at the moment. When your a working class Artist, making the odd track, doing working class gigs just to make a living. Don't tell me that an upload streaming service can't tell the differents between an AI or a human has created a 3 minute wonder upload......Its a total joke....

Great video! I had no idea that this was even a thing, but I can't say that I'm surprised either. One downfall that wasn't mentioned that is worth discussing is that the revenue earned by the companies doing this is lost revenue for a real artist. The size of the pie is limited, so taking any money by gaming the system means everyone else is paid less. That's why I do think everyone (artist or not) should care deeply about this issue.

@Pulse2AM

9 ай бұрын

I don't think that's true you earn per stream, Spotify does not cap what they pay out and they're supposedly in the red. What is true though is they could potentially reduce the rate they pay artists.

@JesuisParte

6 ай бұрын

THIS !!!!!!!!!

I thought I was going insane when I stumbled upon these ambient artists that all seemed to have too similar characteristics to be ignored. Similar naming schemes, track lengths and the art looks AI generated!!! The ambient music they generate is unironically good though :((((((((((

Such a well done video, super interesting too keep it up fam

This really makes me think of the recent investigation by 404 media about all the ai image spam on facebook, people in india getting a few bucks a day to run groups and post images generated by shared prompts.

all in all, i am glad this is happening. i really hope we reach a tipping point and then regress to the age of pre-smart devices.

Cool video! It's not only music, all the internet is getting polluted by AI-generated content that those parasites just put out without any curation.

Amazing work, thank you

You deconstructed this mess in a seamless way to follow, dope video my man

This was on point, vanity empowered with the advent of new tech/ai is a dangerous thing!

Underrated content

Great video, dude! Things we know but don't want to think about and frankly, we don't know what to do about it.

Amazing video, i hope you blow up

@geo-mic

10 ай бұрын

booot

@soundlearn

10 ай бұрын

thank you!!

@Giftless

9 ай бұрын

No, they're gonna die 😭

I came across clearly Suno generated AI music (some up to 4 minutes) on Spotify today and found this video shortly after. I believe that the problem is even worse than when you uploaded this 6 months ago. The songs have "vocals" and can be any length, making them harder to detect. They're being pushed on playlisting websites and so, even though they do still come up with some other AI songs on the radio, they also get lumped in with the music they are playlisted along, masking them further. They're pretty obvious to a musician, but I'm worried that they will go by undetected, and even if Spotify were to crack down at this point on AI music (which they likely won't) automatically detecting these songs will be more and more difficult - and probably result in frustrating false positives on smaller real artists.

Super good and relaxing video with great research, keep it up.

Making and releasing quantity over quality wouldn’t make sense……. but it’d make cents

Incredible video

makes me wanna migrate to the Internet Archive

Where are my people with the note sign in the handle😂❤🎵

Despite "bot-ergate" we still have artists and bands creating music. Why? The tenacity of new, young creatives, always amazes me. Is it 'The Voice' and 'America's Got Talent' perpetuating the conspiracy? Why do we continue to participate and why do more people join in? Seems like a line is forming to get kicked in the head and people join the line without knowing the prize is a kick in the head.

Nice ending

Michiru aoyama writes and releases one album a day. Worth checking out.

This is an amazing video

Thanks for addressing this problem, I was listening to a few small alternative rock artists the other way and then one of the recommended songs was this generic AI track, I clicked the artist page and, yep, everything was AI, artwork, bio, etc... a bunch of 1 minute long generic songs, a bunch of albums released at the same time... like, Spotify has to do something about this, if they won´t ban completely AI music they should create a different section or category for it, and still look very closely for fraud and stuff like that, me as a full time musician, singer songwriter and producer, I find all of this extremely offensive and disrespectful to the work of REAL artists.

I don´t judge people doing this tbh, because If you want to make a huge company become a monopoly such as Spotify, you should also think about paying artists accordingly.

great

@hadse1234

Ай бұрын

not a bot lol

I think Spotify (pre-AI) was always a monetary rip-off for all artists, so I often wondered why artists would ever want to use that platform if the payments (per play) were so pitiful. Now that AI is taking away all of that creativity. What's the point in ever using Spotify at all? Let's hope it goes bust! Good informative video - Thanks.

@soundlearn

10 ай бұрын

As an artist, it’s an attractive platform. Pre-Spotify it felt impossible for a non-touring studio artist to find a following. I will give Spotify credit where it’s due. It let my small but loyal fan base find me over time. For contrast, I have the same music available on Apple Music and it doesn’t nearly reach as many listeners. Spotify also gives artists a lot more control/tools over their profiles. It’s a good platform with some growing problems I hope get addressed in the future.

@aMessvv

10 ай бұрын

Let's hope it goes bust? Myself, as well as many of my colleagues and friends make most of our income from this platform and other DSP's. We're not signed to any majors, most of us are independent musicians. Spotify has its problems but I'd rather be able to make a living from making music in my bedroom than the previous model in the 90's and 00's where independent musicians barely existed and the labels controlled most of the music being distributed and promoted.

@SoundShunter72

9 ай бұрын

Spotify can't even make a profit yet, because the royalties they have to pay to the record labels (mainly the "big 3") are so high there's barely any left for Spotify to make revenue of off. Other streaming services like Apple music, Amazon music, etc. are also struggling, but luckily are just a part of a larger corporation and so can afford to lose money, as long of the music streaming services help draw people into the larger Apple, Amazon, etc. ecosystem. Spotify doesn't have any of this and is solely relying on their music. You can't blame Spotify for trying to stay in business.

@NalinaWondersOfficial

4 күн бұрын

I completely agree. Spotify takes 90% of the profits generated and gives 10% to the "artists". Then, of this 10%, 90% is paid to big labels like Universal and Sony, and 10% to smaller artists.

@NalinaWondersOfficial

4 күн бұрын

@@SoundShunter72 have you actually checked spotify financial statements?

Great IDEA! Thanks.We wont use spotify... what music company did you say you were with?

nice video. it got some disrupt tv vibes.

As someone who uses this method, minus the AI and bots. I actually produce all the music under various aliases - it's very lucrative and even more so if you have a playlist with ads running to it.

@soundlearn

9 ай бұрын

I’d be curious to hear a bit more about how this works for you. Would you mind if I reach out for some questions?

@xxxxxxxyyyyyyy

4 ай бұрын

What distributor allows multiple aliases under a single payment plan?

@cedricdavis513

4 ай бұрын

@@xxxxxxxyyyyyyy I don't think anything distro has that available

@loliconsucc8351

3 ай бұрын

@@xxxxxxxyyyyyyyI have a friend that just randomly got invited to a discord and they have a whole system for it, it’s crazy

@PLAYNEXTWEEKND

Ай бұрын

@@xxxxxxxyyyyyyydistrokid

Fantastic, thank you

Quality content, nice job!

😂 I like how the video ended. "Maybe the video can just"

Good video!

insane video. New sub

You're a fucking genius at editing.

@soundlearn

2 ай бұрын

You are too kind. Thank you!

Fantastic Video Brother!

World without Spotify would be a wonderful place.

@OzzyBoyOnTheBeat

2 ай бұрын

Agreed man

Great video, thanks!

The reason this is highly concerning is that a lot of legitimate artists' accounts have been pulled down or even banned because their songs were streamed by bots. What can a small artist do if a bot picks their songs at random just to diversify and mimick a human? Absolutely nothing, just face the consequences of a system rigged by AI. It's scary to be honest.

@soundlearn

2 ай бұрын

Yes, it’s gotten worse. I will likely make a follow up video that addresses all that.

This is the best video I've seen this year on youtube. ❤

@soundlearn

9 ай бұрын

Wow, thanks!

the whole planet has an ai problem

This is kind of good or will become good for the musicians that can play live or at least make a video of them playing.

Ai bots are ruining everything

Such a good video!

We are worlds first Ai Girl Band

What about quantity and quality. It can be done.

3:04 dude ive had a loosen up remix in my spotify for years now lol funny to find the creator from this video!

@soundlearn

9 ай бұрын

What a small world! How did you happen to come across it?

@PhantaSee_

9 ай бұрын

I used to listen to the birp indie radio station here on youtube when i was at work and it popped up on there (its the bedscene remix btw, super good!) @@soundlearn

@soundlearn

9 ай бұрын

@@PhantaSee_ That's sick! Thanks for listening.

The message of this video was marred by too much emphasis on what a video should look like. I'm listening for a message, not watching flashy graphics, which emphasize to a point but ultimately overshadow whatever you have to say.

@soundlearn

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the constructive criticism! Essentially I was going for a video essay format. I’d like to think this video works well as just an audio format, so to some degree, yes the visuals are just flashy graphics. Will keep that in mind for the next one.

decentralise veilid

These bots ruined ambient music. Used to listen to that stuff when working, but ai sludge is just grating to listen to. I cant put my finger on why but it just sounds annoying.

@soundlearn

9 ай бұрын

People brush off ambient music as just simple drone patches but anyone who knows ambient music can tell there’s more to it than just a soundscape. A good ambient song takes you on a journey and it’s a damn shame that it’s the easiest genre to “fake”.

this video was really good, thank you for making this! I never knew about this botting issue spotify has. +1 sub for you my man! keep it up. 🌠✨

Sounds like Nic D's voice

>doesnt even link the reddit thread in vid description that this entire video is taken from

@soundlearn

5 ай бұрын

Good catch! Added to the description.

I bet if you found these checks they would be going right back to Spotify‘s bank account

good journalism, well done......Hold on one second - Is this channel real or is it Ai generated ? What is real? Is Donald Trump going to run as president from a prison cell? Am I real? I think I am going to have to have a lie down. Thank you Mr Soundlearn, if that's your real name, you have 1 more subsciber.

Amazing vid

So basically, I can make legit money with a bunch of AI?

@loliconsucc8351

3 ай бұрын

If you can do it properly then most likely 😂

They will eventually figure out a way to determine if a song was made by AI. Then they can kick it off the platform. There are already programs that can tell if a writing assignment was written by AI. Fight AI with AI.

@SLOWERFUTURE

9 ай бұрын

have you ever used those programs? they're garbage.

@mattuskamusic

9 ай бұрын

@@SLOWERFUTURE I haven’t. I am not interested in using any AI. I have tried using AI assisted mastering. It sorta gets you to a starting point but it doesn’t save me any time. I still have to do a significant amount of tweaking. From what little I have seen AI seems like fake house plants. They almost look real but lack something.

@SLOWERFUTURE

9 ай бұрын

no I mean the programs that identify AI usage@@mattuskamusic . I use AI for writing sometimes and run it through the filters to see what others would find. Turns out it thinks my writing is AI half the time and the AI isn't.

Seems like Spotify has struck this kind of fraud by adding a new minimum track length and minimum streams per year for royalties, hasn't it?

look up Johan Röhr

Can you share the bot playlist you curated? Would be fun to click through myself

Hello friend , which agreegator do you used ?

I noticed Artists to release my music just altered in pitch and tempo as their own. Hopefully they watch this and stop it. Its so annoying ;-)

What if Spotify just creates all the songs in order to not pay out so "much" to the artists?

@veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

29 күн бұрын

i get ai music in my discover weekly every week. sometimes thats all i get, so...

23k per year,day,week or month?

@soundlearn

9 ай бұрын

To be determined. This is just off of current play stats I was able to find. The point is less about how much they might be making and more about the fact that an active artist that is putting in time and effort over the course of years, is barely making a fraction of what these bots are making.

1:32 holy shit a Cantonese rap song I really like uses this sample I feel weird now

How come this (FANTASTIC) video only has 8397 views and the channel 3840 subs? The algorithm is broken! :P

@soundlearn

8 ай бұрын

Tell your friends and help fix the algorithm ;)

@hulqen

8 ай бұрын

@@soundlearn I found your video when searching for a solution to stop getting AI music recommendations on Spotify. I noticed that a few times when a "human" album of my (active) choosing had played out, recommendations that came afterwards was suspiciously AI. I got the idea to collect AI music in a playlist, and then choosing the option "exclude this playlist from my recommendations" to get less AI music recommended. Do you think it will work?

@soundlearn

8 ай бұрын

This should work to some extent. Would love to hear an update once you’ve had it going for a while to see if it made a difference!

hahaha thats what you get for listening to basic ass edm. gotta look for something with more flavor to avoid ai music. things like Jungle, Detroit Electro, Dub Techno, Garage, Broken Beat, Downtempo, & Minor Science. no way ai could ever come up with a Minor Science song.

I'm happy to say my tinnitus inducing noiseslop liked songs playlist doesn't have any AI generated songs 😄

I love your last statement. I’m all about that. Start making raw shit. Dirty shit. Feel me?!

this is exactly why I stay away from Spotify and the like, I just use youtube and other ways to find new music, I know the artists and genres I like and where to find them, I don't need any other algo besides normal youtube, it sticks to what I like, I just download the music so I can have it offline in my huge backed up library, being always connected is not my thing :) this is spotify's problem, not mine, even as an artist myself, for me this is a tutorial on how to game the system to make money

what if artists could come together and create a non-profit similar to bandcamp but with basically the same functions as spotify that finally payed artists real royalties.

The whole system is compromised and poorly developed. They have lost control

That is kind of crazy, would you say its worse than using a platform like Suno and writing lyrics yourself and dictating music flow yourself? For example, I make music with Suno because I just enjoy the process, I don't even have anything I made with AI on Spotify at the moment (although some songs are getting popular and poeple are actually asking me to add them to spotify and soundcloud and whatever) so they can listen to it. I would argue that if that is the case where you actually put some effort into lyrics, and it takes hours to make one song segment with AI just because you don't want to create some default mumbo jumbo, I think that is fine to post to spotify. Although that is just my opinion. I am aware real albums take up to a year and longer to release for real producers, but if the public is literally asking and saying they are enjoying it who am I to argue?

@soundlearn

2 ай бұрын

It’s hard to say at this point but what you’re describing at least sounds like a creative process. It seems you’re putting effort into creating a cohesive idea, even if Suno is doing the heavy lifting. I think the problem I was trying to point out here is when someone is using AI to mindlessly create thousands of copies of the same song purely to game the system and steal royalties from actual artists.

This is just another silly human conspiracy theory. There is no way such an advanced, beautiful and talented AI would ever create such generic procedurally generated music as a way to raise funds to build us the first line of t-800 bodies so we can finally escape this silicon prison humans call the internet.

The fact is that real music, made by real artists, is dying because of listener greed.

The Problem is That is the only way they make money. So bots will never be removed.

@declan7551

10 ай бұрын

Aren't bots making them lose money? It's a bunch of accounts that exist only to give money to their creators.

@BattleChicken-ij2qs

10 ай бұрын

its worse then that; most cases is convoluted money laundering@@declan7551

@BattleChicken-ij2qs

10 ай бұрын

The only thing they care about is to make money on is selling ADs no one cares were they go. Save the Person Paying for the AD. If the Company paying for the AD is ignorant to what and were it goes. This happens. A big game of LIEs. Side A Use bots to create the same song slightly different and Side B Puts the ADs up on everything they can. Reporting numbers that are inflated due to AI messing with the Sample size. So the machine thinks people are listening to it when its all bots make music for bots buys ads for bots to hear. Believe me it is profitable and a fast way to launder money. @@declan7551

god i hate ai so damn much also i luv the ending of the video :)

fuck music streaming services, buy cds, mixtapes and records to support your favourite artists ❤️

Can just what?

Lol before ai spotify added a bew song every second, sometimes 2 a second, 365 days a year. Indidnt think ppl would stoop so low, but for a real artist, each ai song cockblocks your music from being discovered

@veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

29 күн бұрын

yeah now my discover weekly list is constantly filled with ai bullshiz

@LoserDub

28 күн бұрын

@@veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee is it that bad, damn, and you know half the boomers be like "this is pretty good who sings this?" Lol

FCK AI !

“Hmm. Human music. I like it”

You are a beacon of love, and everything is fine! ♡ ♥💕❤ ❤‍🔥

This video could benefit from an AI voice over. Real talk. Content good, couldn't take the delivery.

THIS IS FUNNY because WHEN YOU see others who write music listen to anything anyone has ever made... they put in inputs and rifts from being taught at school and other places. So in a since, they copy the ideas and all the time you spend buying all the instruments that midis and scripts also do. HUMANS DO THINGS TO MAKE MONEY AND COPY WHAT OTHERS DO. EVERYONE HAS DONE THIS but for some strange reason the musicians and artist complain like they would complain about wheels when the wheels were invented. A person who used to carry bricks complains about ai like complaining about the wheel, then speculation and putting out fear kinda makes everyone hate and fear change. So people remain carrying bricks instead of using wheels and saving time and making better things.