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@shifterlocker2361

11 ай бұрын

Another filmspeak L

@FilmSpeak

11 ай бұрын

@@shifterlocker2361 cool

@Judgec_

11 ай бұрын

Both of these movies are my favorite spider man movies! That’s just my opinion tho, and that may change when I see the new spider verse

@Metro_Zilla

11 ай бұрын

Another filmspeak W

@suzygirl1843

11 ай бұрын

​@@FilmSpeak Glad you called No Way Home out. It was trash and overhyped popcorn movie

The way I see it, No way Home was passing respect to the Spider-Man movies. Across the Spider-Verse was paying respect to Spider-Man as a character and concept

@mattehyew9110

11 ай бұрын

This. Which supports my opinion of the latter being the superior Spiderman movie. Spiderverse being a celebration of everything spiderman is a lot more touching and heart warming. Not to say that paying homage to past movies is bad, but spiderverse just feels more emotional and universal to me

@alexanderwindh4830

11 ай бұрын

I can't see that. They threw in popular characters. That's it Action is below subpar. Visuals boring. Score? Forgettable. Story... Not sure. Villains? Poorly executed besides that one scene. So underused. So poorly handled. Lost potential

@theoutsiderjess4869

11 ай бұрын

@@alexanderwindh4830 the movie is a part one of two they're taking their time and in doing so Miles, Gwen and Peter are fighting two villains in there story and both of those arcs are about belonging and being accepted which ties into the end. Spiderman isn't all about action it's about the story and these characters

@Treck533

11 ай бұрын

@@theoutsiderjess4869 He’s talking about No way Home my boy

@Xanhonaker12

11 ай бұрын

@@alexanderwindh4830 hater

Say what you will but Spider-Man: No Way Home didn’t fail. It’s a different type of medium storytelling from the animated Spider-Verse films and it succeeded amazingly! Both Spidey film series have! 🙌

@mohankumarkonvicted

11 ай бұрын

Clickbait

@brucecrawford_17

11 ай бұрын

@@earljohnson2613 NWH did fan service in service of the story. Tobey McGuire and Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man’s brought meaning to Tom Holland’s Spider-Man story. That NWH rooftop scene is so well done!

@slackstarfish8133

11 ай бұрын

It was a fan service moment that was amazing the first time but fails as a stand-alone movie the more times you rewatch it

@brucecrawford_17

11 ай бұрын

@@slackstarfish8133 In my opinion, both Spider-Man: NWH and the Spider-Verse films have done the Spider-Man character justice through their Multiverse stories. They’re just different type of medium storytelling films. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@brucecrawford_17

11 ай бұрын

@@earljohnson2613 Bro, I’ve seen way worse writing in the MCU series than that. 🤦🏻‍♂️ Each to their own, though. Not everyone’s going to love every Spider-Man film (including me) and that’s okay.

No way home wasn't bad, but I agree that honestly it was more fan servicey than coherent. The connection between Norman and Tom's Peter was just really difficult to establish. And like let's put the movie in a context where we want to watch it outside of the theater, cause the first time you watch it, it's exciting, but no way home feels DESIGNED for the theater experience, cause it loses too much with rewatches.

@redbaron7538

11 ай бұрын

I just rewatched it and I’m excited for how the stories will branch out for it. Tom’s story is gonna feel more real and Toby’s and Andrew’s might get a few more chapters. Plus whatever it means for dr. Strange moving on too. And with the new miles story sort of branching into it as well

@KarazolaX

11 ай бұрын

It's not that hard at all, he's fascinated by the concept of a multiverse and the idea of another peter parker. The goblin ends up acting like a sort of evil mentor to him, trying to impart evil into his heart. Tom Holland being a younger version of Peter helps facilitate this, and he ends up killing aunt may because she mentors him in the opposite way, not recognizing that she was becoming an 'uncle ben' to him in her dying moments and a really important martyr to him. And fanservice aside, it's actually really enjoyable that they were able to make this green goblin have such a profound impact on Peter's story. He deeply shaped the lives of two spider-men, and connected the meaning and theme of Raimi's films to the MCU.

@jill4370

11 ай бұрын

Totally agree I watched NWH when it came out and have never watched it in his whole since. Saw into the spiderverse back in 2018 and ive watched it a good 6 times. I saw the across the spiderverse the day it came out and i have watched it 1 time more a few days later

@theoutsiderjess4869

11 ай бұрын

The connection isn't that hard. Norman wants to go home but Tom's Peter reminds him of his Peter with how smart he is and he can't help but latch onto that because it's a tiny bit of comfort plus the idea of not having that menace in his head would be great. The goblin on the other hands want to conquer this world and eventually destroy Peter cause he is a threat to his very existence with him wanting to cure him and all the rest so he does what he does best and makes Peter's life hell

@tunzlunz

11 ай бұрын

@@theoutsiderjess4869 right I completely second this. The connection is there.

Just something that never gets brought up with why Spiderman is such an amazing character design. He has literally the best power set of any Superhero. Vague superstrength, agility, spider sense, sticky, and web slingers. He can literally fight an old man criminal with wings one movie, box Thanos in the next, fight drones in another, and then go dimension hopping. And none of it looks out of place. I don't think this gets enough credit. Picture how silly Daredevil would look trying to Box Thanos... Or how bad a movie would be about Thor taking on the Vulture... And yet Spiderman is just at that perfect balance of power where you can throw him in virtually any superhero story and he's still interesting. Meaning whatever kind of Superhero story you want to tell, you can do it with Spiderman. His powerset is just perfection.

@karaokekingskingdom

11 ай бұрын

because he's the eternal underdog who has the WITs to come out on top. he has that jackie chan underdog dynamic going for him.

@mikedrxp

11 ай бұрын

Right? How are silly sticky strings so much more adaptable than multiverse traveling doctor strange...

@johnathanparks8410

11 ай бұрын

I swear I was thinking the exact same thing about Spider-Man's powers while watching the movie. His power set is so unique and so amazing. Just how he can stick to and walk on any surface, sit upside down but is completely normal, the way he swings, his agility and fighting style. It is unlike any other superhero and comics and I see why DC doesn't really try to replicate him. It's clear why he always has been and always will be my favorite superhero.

@billwiz69

11 ай бұрын

This is the most accurate deduction of Spiderman's versatility I've ever seen. Like he's so versatile he works in almost any situation either as a comic relief or as a sad/ grounded character

@billwiz69

11 ай бұрын

@@johnathanparks8410 I was thinking the exact same thing too like, how am I supposed to fight a guy that can stick to walls, I feel like I could take him but then I also cant cuz of his agility and strength, unlike other characters, once I see ironman or batman as a criminal I immediately know I'm hitting the snooze button

Another interesting point about letting Peter grow as a person - Peter *B* Parker is a pretty logical look at what happens when the character doesn't try to grow, have kids, and tries to carry on at 37 - it stops being "relatable" and starts just being _sad._ And now, come Across The Spiderverse, he's actually... _happy,_ while presumably having 30-40something issues as opposed to living the same way he did when he was in his twenties.

@jonathanjoestar_real

10 ай бұрын

Good analysis ngl, you can do so much more with animation than in live action

@TomEyeTheSFMguy

9 ай бұрын

@@jonathanjoestar_real It's not just animation, it's story. But yeah, you're right.

Maybe it's because Tobey Maguire is15 years older in NWH, but I like the fact that Raimi-Peter has sorted things out already. It's like a nice little reassurance that he turned out alright in the end despite the uncertainty we left him with. As for Garfield, I still got the impression that he wasn't in a great place when we reunite with him.

@MrREFanatic95

11 ай бұрын

It's interesting they implied Garfield's Spider-Man is still struggling. But I love that the movie offers him the redemption that he sorely needed. And he actually succeeds in that and can go back to his own world with renewed purpose and determination to do good.

@jonathanjoestar_real

10 ай бұрын

Or does he? Andrew Garfield got infected by something in the post-credits scene

@theoutsiderjess4869

2 ай бұрын

Bro literally said he killed people he hasnt been good in 10 years

@OverlyPositiveFanboy

2 ай бұрын

I don't remember him saying he killed people... unless it was implied and I missed it.

For all their strengths, Marvel Studios is not driven by the need to tell interesting or inventive stories. They’re driven by the need to constantly be in a position where hype and anticipation can be easily obtained.

@shslmood2890

11 ай бұрын

I hate that they used to tell great stories and now it feels like they realized they don’t need to to get people to watch their movies :/

@dylansharp8471

11 ай бұрын

Bullshit.

@dylansharp8471

11 ай бұрын

@@shslmood2890 Bullshit.

@minor7805

11 ай бұрын

NWH was still a great story though, it ties up toms story, gives him a rebirth sort of and shows that he has come a long way, stop dissing it

@nonev1903

11 ай бұрын

@@shslmood2890 Ik. And the whole MCU is suffering for it. 😞

I personally think that while NWH is a good love letter to all of the live-action Spider-Man movies, Spider-Verse 1 and 2 were great love letters to Spider-Man in general. Both NWH and Spider-Verse works imo, even though Spider-Verse is one of my personal favorite movies of all time. It’s just amazing to be a Spider-Man fan right now.

@dotenks

11 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@SnrubSource

11 ай бұрын

imo No Way Home was pretty mediocre as a movie in general, but it was great as a homage to all the live action spider-men and it set up MCU Peter's college era. Most people didn't watch it because it was good, but because it was an event you couldn't miss

@milesmorales-intothespider9861

11 ай бұрын

I completely agree. No Way Home IS good, but it’s not THAT good. The Spider-Verse films, on the other hand, I admit they’re not perfect either, but they are genuinely some of the best Spider-Man films we’ve ever gotten since Spider-Man 2 back in 2004. (Y’know, since these days we can’t really express that Spider-Verse is one of the best Spider-Man movies without someone mentioning Spider-Man 2 all the time).

@KerberSereno

11 ай бұрын

Except in the Comics, It’s not a good time in the spider comics

@TheHumanSpider40713

11 ай бұрын

Bro what about paul

One of my biggest problems with No Way Home's expression of its cameos is how homogeneous they are in fight scenes. All three main Spider-Men have several films where they fight so differently, where choreography and the way they interact with their villains is so different. When all three Spider-Men are fighting in the final fight of No Way Home, however, their styles are so indistinguishable that you often just can't tell who is who. In Into the Spider-Verse, however, walk/run cycles, fighting styles, ways in which they confront their villains are so different. If they were all wearing the standard red costume, you'd still be able to tell which is which constantly.

I loved both movies, but I think you hit on the reason why I think Into The Spiderverse is better. No Way Home was a super fun theatre experience, but its so clearly tailored for the theatre and first time viewing and those "wow look at this!" moments that its almost awkward watching it a second time, even if the initial viewing is fantastic. The awkward pauses in the scenes where theres supposed to be audience reactions are a pretty stand out example of this for me. While No Way Home was spectacular on first viewing, the second time around had greatly diminished returns and I havent picked it up since. Conversely, not only have I watched Into the Spiderverse a probably double digit amount of times, its never dropped the quality of the experience for me. No Way Home was an event first, and movie second. Into the Spiderverse was a movie that happened to be an event.

@jaydenc367

11 ай бұрын

No Way Home was still a great movie and was arguably a movie first overall and is still rewatchable.

@Sheamus1212

11 ай бұрын

Completely agree. Ive already seen atsv twice and it was great both times. Haven't seen. Nwh since it came out in theatres

@waldoman7

11 ай бұрын

The weakness of NWH is being directed by the same hack that made the previous 2 Holland movies, but for whatever reason, it pulled together well enough in this movie save for a little akward pacing. It's flaws don't lower it below a tear tearing 11/10 for me. On the other hand, I haven't actually managed to sit through the entire first spiderverse yet. It's cute, entertaining enough, but just doesn't grip me, feels shallow in a way I don't know how to describe. It's supposedly revolutionary style feels like an urban unicorn vomited on me. In some alternate universe there's a cool version of what they were going for but we're not it. Second one looks a bit better, yet still I don't itch to watch.

@kep6417

11 ай бұрын

@@waldoman7 i get where youre coming from! Spiderverse appeals to me so much partially bc im a huge sucker for visual symbolism in movies and ITSV and ATSV are chock-full of it! But they are paced very quickly and if the visuals dont hit your sweet spot I can totally understand balking on it. I also think that while Spiderverse as a film series is a send up of the concept of Spiderman, NWH does a surprisingly excellent job at not just being a send-up but a *conclusion* to all of the live action Spiderman movies until that point, so theres a lot to sink your teeth into textually. Really, I think the direction of it is the only stickler for me. Where the awkward pacing at times and the "made-for-crowds" aspect (which isn't a flaw per se! just a different approach) made my rewatches harder to get through. I think a lot of stuff like this is down to personal preference, really! I think its really fun to do compare and contrast on what ppl (including myself) like and dont like about these films

@waldoman7

11 ай бұрын

@@kep6417

Thing is, I loved No Way Home, but even as a fan of it, I can acknowledge that my enjoyment of it came from the heap of mindless fan service it dumped on us. The fan service in Spider-Verse is also there, don’t get me wrong, but it’s mainly minor cameos and my favorite parts came from the actual story itself. Unlike NWH, ATSV has originality. That’s where it failed - and even when it “failed”, it was still a damn good movie. They both work!

@MMkillsINCTV

11 ай бұрын

no its not mindless at all like he said there is a virtual reason why all those spiderpeople from different dimensions are there because of the collider and the Spider society time events and then NWH they 2 convenient spidermans just come outta no where from Dr. strange portals just so the heros can win because obviously Toms weak ass cant beat 5 villains alone. THATS MINDLESS just grab 2 spidermen literally walking in alleyways lmfao

@snowset675

11 ай бұрын

@@MMkillsINCTV I was calling NWH mindless, not Spider-Verse

@theeleutheria1053

11 ай бұрын

I liked it for the action but into and across the spiderverse had going "kick his ass miles" while the other was just kinda meh

@snowset675

11 ай бұрын

@@theeleutheria1053 yeah same

@blazingexil4003

11 ай бұрын

It didn’t fail and the best parts weren’t even the cameos.

Both Spider-Verse AND No Way Home utilize the mediums they’re in to accomplish great things. Bringing in characters from Tom, Tobey & Andrew’s universes could only have full impact in live action, whereas Spider-Verse can only be as dazzling as it is because it takes advantage of being animated. Both work in differing ways. Edit: Of course Spider-Verse is MILES better than NWH, and as a film fan I have a lot of problems with the MCU film. However I think it does a lot of things well too, like keeping the focus on Tom’s Peter and giving the others just a little taste of what has happened to them afterward. I still think it’s a great time despite it’s imperfections. I personally love and enjoy both, even if SV does it better and more brilliantly!

@theoutsiderjess4869

11 ай бұрын

I agree with you

@SlyMagma

11 ай бұрын

Except the story and plot for No way home was very drab and uninspiring. It was blatent fan service without a good story and development to go along with it. Spider-verse has the fanservec, great animation, and most importantly, the best spider-man story to date in the movies. No Way Home does not compare.

@brucecrawford_17

11 ай бұрын

💯 Thank you! 🙏

@lucascassol2995

11 ай бұрын

@@SlyMagma it’s almost like one is a pretty good blockbuster and one got an Oscar. Don’t disagree, but it’s the pizza thing right? It’s pretty good most the time.

@mr.moviemafia

11 ай бұрын

@@SlyMagma Oh I agree that Spider-Verse is MILES better (couldn’t help myself), but it’s amazing No Way Home accomplishes what it does given it’s medium

Miles could've just kept the bagel and everything would have been fine

@mangakdramagamer1153

11 ай бұрын

Lol😂

@sm1purplmurderedme583

10 ай бұрын

LMAO

@Leodog92

7 ай бұрын

That hit The Spot

The Miles Morales story arc fully leans into the absolute insanity of the endless universes, and that helps it tell the story of the spiderverse better, since the chaos of the infinity is incomprehensible and this is exactly how Into and Across the spiderverse feel.

@MrAjking808

10 ай бұрын

It’s overhyped

@ogsloppnbiscuiitz1108

10 ай бұрын

@@MrAjking808*NWH was*

@Salik96

9 ай бұрын

​@@MrAjking808 That's your opinion.

@kijanajenkins2546

8 ай бұрын

​@@MrAjking808Cope harder.

This really opened my eyes to the criticisms the MCU trilogy has gotten, I love Tom’s portrayal of Spider-man but there are definitely some elements we are missing from his trilogy that the other films do so well.

@tranngockha6562

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, I have heard a lot of valid criticism about the MCU, however they got ignored by the fans. It's a shame really.

@burgergud2804

11 ай бұрын

MCU spider man is doing there own unique take

@jaydenwilson8371

10 ай бұрын

@@tranngockha6562I realize that too but I’m fine with it tbh. All the movies have it’s flaws I just hoped it’s worked upon in the next one

@penono

5 ай бұрын

do you just want a spiderman movie that does the same thing over and over again? come on now.

@mutalemwananshiku4098

Ай бұрын

@@tranngockha6562 what criticism is being ignored?

No Way Home is one of the those movies where you ignore all the flaws while watching it because you're lost in the hype. But when you think about it later, you realize just how many things don't make sense.

@sm1purplmurderedme583

10 ай бұрын

and that’s what makes a movie awful

@lukerne9260

9 ай бұрын

Except I wasn't lost in the "hype". What hype is there to feel?

@excelegbunike7232

9 ай бұрын

​@@lukerne9260the return of the villains and the 2 spiderman

@reffa2858

9 ай бұрын

​@@lukerne9260Tobet effing McGuire. The best spiderman of all time!

@IndigenousBaka

9 ай бұрын

@crod9905 Well explained

I dont think no way home failed, but ATSV just did it better, its an actual masterpiece

@dannyboi1065

11 ай бұрын

It expanded on no way home. Events from no way home directly impact the spider society in across the spiderverse. Donald glover as prowler confirms this.

@PapaPalpatine621

11 ай бұрын

Live action is in my opinion better than animation

@matteopinn1754

11 ай бұрын

@@PapaPalpatine621 stupidiest thing ever shush

@Deadmaninks

11 ай бұрын

@@PapaPalpatine621 no it isn't animation will always be better stop huffing paint

@PapaPalpatine621

11 ай бұрын

@@Deadmaninks are people not allowed to have a opinion because you’ll start crying about it?

I was never as impressed with No Way Home as other people were, and I remember walking out of that theater in 2021 going “Spider-Verse did it better”. This video hits the nail on the head as to why I have that opinion.

@ericdxfan511

11 ай бұрын

ITSV is the most overrated CBM of all time 😂

@spencerboyce6227

11 ай бұрын

These are two very different movies it’s like looking at fast and furious and saying mission impossible did it better 💀

@geraalcht

11 ай бұрын

@@spencerboyce6227 Dont be wishy washy. NWH was a bag of wasted potential. Different movie or not, NWH disappointed me. Dialogue was garbage and when it became clear they were going for nostalgia bait my experience of the rest of the movie took a nose dive

@ZaidGameZ

11 ай бұрын

@@geraalcht Waste of potential. 💀What movie did you watch?

@ericdxfan511

11 ай бұрын

@@strikeatnyte You made that assumption because I dont look at ITSV as fondly as you kiss asses do? 😂 Would rather watch TDK Trilogy, SM1 & 2, Logan, Iron Man, Winter Soldier, Civil War and even NWH over ITSV

I felt like I was taking crazy pills when No Way Home released to overwhelming praise, people calling it the best MCU and the best Spider-Man movies. This video beautifully puts into words why I just couldn't even comprehend that take. Why No Way Home was such a let down for me.

@hilosky

11 ай бұрын

Context helps. Between making the multiverse plot work, bringing back characters from 2 failed spider-man trilogies and consciously repeating the same mistake that killed those previous film series (villain overload), NWH could have stumbled and failed miserably. It's a miracle that it turned out as well as it did. Offering closure to loose threads, and satisfying those fans who complained about Iron Man Jr and resetting Peter to a street level hero after going to space. Similar to Endgame which isn't mind blowing in isolation, but taken in the context that it bears the weight of concluded over a decade of films in a way that satisfied everyone. Even an OK result would have been impressive, yet they managed to hit it out of the park.

@andresreynoso7254

11 ай бұрын

@@hiloskytobeys trilogy didn’t fail tho?

@OnettBoyXD

11 ай бұрын

@@hilosky Tobey's trilogy did not fail. Idiot.

@pheonexia

11 ай бұрын

@@hilosky idk I hated how all his villains were just made into deferred Iron Man villains and having him fight a bunch of villains from better Spider-Man movies didn’t really change that

@jewelaloo7831

11 ай бұрын

@@pheonexia theyre not iron man villains tho.. they fight Spider-Man, theyre spider-man villains lmao.

they act like 2 legends can't exist

Spider-Man Into the SpiderVerse was amazing, one of the best animated movies I have ever seen, Across the SpiderVerse was even more incredible, the animation art style is top notch,story, music, Oscar Issac stole the show as Spider-Man 2099/ Miguel O'Hara 👏👏🕷🕸

@AntThePianoMan

8 күн бұрын

ATSV is a masterpiece of artistry and emotional resonance. The stakes couldn't be higher.

Some very valid points. NWH is a great show to see in a Movie Theater, but drags along when watched solo. Spiderverse and Across the Spiderverse ask for a closer second look, and that is the mark of a really good movie.

@Leodog92

7 ай бұрын

And the CGI in NWH was so ass😂

@Leodog92

7 ай бұрын

They should've consulted with James Cameron and his vfx to help make NWH VFX look watchable 😂

*Spoilers* Just a thought. Miles Canon event was his uncle. Gwen was Peter. So Miguel has made a mistake. Spiderman India doesn't have one that's why his world was about to get erased and neither does Miguel, his world didn't get erased but the world of the Miguel he tried to replace.

@theoamos24

11 ай бұрын

I agree.. but it was supposed to be world 42 miles event.. not world 1601.. which us why in istv you saw 1601 miles BACKGROUND turn from green abd purple (prowler) to Blue and red (spider-man).. Though that does ask a question.. If a Canon event happens in a different but similar universe, is it still a Canon event or a Canon departure

@limespots

11 ай бұрын

​@@theoamos24 By every technicality, perhaps the universe registered that a Miles Morales got bitten, and knowing it was E-42's spider who got bitten, perhaps the canon event got registered so that dimension is okay (because it got registered with a Miles Morales regardless), so what E-1610 Miles Morales was supposed to go through got swapped with E-42's Miles Prowler Morales instead. But like you said that would beg the question of canon departure.

@theoamos24

11 ай бұрын

@PYR0K1N3T1C thank you for your input. I was thinking along the same thought. A miles became spider-man, and a miles became Prowler, two events that was suppose happened. This kept those two universes in tact, i think the main thing is that since 42 miles was supposed to be Spidey, is that 42 Peter Parker was meant to die? or he never became Spiderman?.., and we know what happened to 1610 Pete. So my new question. Is if it was a departure or switch which event caused it..miles becoming Spider-man or Peter for whatever reason not being an active spider-man.

No Way Home was a fun ride and a brilliant showcase of Spider-Man. Then Across the Spider-Verse dropped and showed HOW TO PROPERLY DO SPIDER-MAN.

i think it's really telling that the entire appeal of nwh is the cameos and the starpower brought to the movie by the cast. conversely, itsv (and atsv even moreso) are chock full of amazing cameos and huge superstars and despite all that the most compelling part is miles. its such a testament to the character writing, as well as shameik moore's performance

@TGPDrunknHick

11 ай бұрын

well the difference is that it's miles first movie. we need to establish him first and foremost. holland had been spiderman in a half dozen movies before NWH. he is a focus but, we already know what he's about.

@LineOfThy

10 ай бұрын

The funny thing is people claim they don't follow the hype train but that doesn't mean they don't have biases. You came in expecting 100% fan service with no plot, so regardless of whether or not you actually watched the movie, you walked out the same way.

@hihellohowareyoutoday

10 ай бұрын

@@LineOfThy i wasn't expecting anything from nwh, it was actually the first spiderman movie i ever watched LMAO

@LineOfThy

10 ай бұрын

@@hihellohowareyoutoday And yet you know all about the cameos?

@hihellohowareyoutoday

10 ай бұрын

@@LineOfThy yeah dude I don't live under a rock, I know who Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield are

Am I the only one still wondering how Electro was even brought into the MCU when the spell was supposed to only bring people who knew Peter’s identity?

@karaokekingskingdom

11 ай бұрын

explained in into the spiderverse

@galientl4723

11 ай бұрын

@@karaokekingskingdom no it wasn’t, noway home came out after Spiderverse.

@karaokekingskingdom

11 ай бұрын

@@galientl4723 i meant across the spiderverse

@galientl4723

11 ай бұрын

@@karaokekingskingdom like when?

@karaokekingskingdom

11 ай бұрын

@@galientl4723 they explain why villains from different universes were popping up in other universes, also explains how vulture ended up in venomverse

Although I do like ( kinda) no way home, I thought it wasn't as well as far out as it could have been, sandman and lizard barely got to do anything in the movie, and I'm huge fan of those characters in the comics Aunt May's death was sad, but it felt like they were kind of trying to wrap up the hole left by no Uncle Ben they kinda of rushed through the final battle and some emotional moments that could have been done better if they built on it from the beginning Now all that said, I am glad we did get to see all three Spider-Man on screen, The chemistry was magical and played into the rest of the movie but I'd be based to say there wasn't fan service in some ways

@holycrusaderofgod8561

11 ай бұрын

Plus no Venom

@Alucard2091

11 ай бұрын

​@@holycrusaderofgod8561 irrelevant

@holycrusaderofgod8561

11 ай бұрын

@@Alucard2091 then why teased him at the end of venom 2

@Alucard2091

11 ай бұрын

​@@holycrusaderofgod8561 DYK NWH has post-credits. But for story-wise not every Venom variant is the same hence they're vacation mode

@theserpent8667

11 ай бұрын

You conveniently ignored how useless Tombstone and Green Goblin are in ITSV.

No Way Home relies completely on the heavy lifting done not only by the previous Spider-Man movies, but some of the MCU as well. It's a nostalgia movie; take the nostalgia out of the equation (replace, for example, the other Spider-Men and villains with new actors with no previous attachment) and you get a story that's only so so. Miles, on the otheer hand, earns his place in the Spiderverse, and the movie works because the story is solid. In fact, it's the best Spider-Man movie origin we have ever gotten. One last thing: I absolutely HATE how the MCU just loves an unmasked Spider-Man, to the point that not only is Tom Holland spending half the movie actually showing his face, but even the other Spider-Men immediately take their masks off at the first sign of strangers. Really?

@SlickDemi

10 ай бұрын

I'll grant you that NWH relies on nostalgia, but I'm not sure how that's a fair criticism since a part of this movie is literally continuing the story of the raimi trilogy and the webb duology. As for your nitpick about Spider-Man having his mask off in front of two strangers, the only reason Andrew even met MJ and Ned was because they were calling his name. They already knew who he was. What would be the point in hiding it? And tobey didn't even show up in costume.

@MrAjking808

10 ай бұрын

Earns it place? How both movies are way overhyped because of kids

@seekeroftruth45

9 ай бұрын

​@@MrAjking808I agree lol. I just turned 27 a few months ago so I also have a different outlook on the film than most people calling it and the 1st a masterpiece. The 1st was a good film but killing off Peter just at the start through plot was was buzzkill for me.

@alexzandersonjrg862

9 ай бұрын

Lol I can’t take idiots like this seriously. Miles morales has always road the cocktails of Peter Parker. He’s that annoying kid in the classroom saying oh look at me I’m cool too pay attention to me. Comic book sales speak for themselves and hardly anyone buys let alone reads them. He had one fluke movie that did well because of animation and a bunch of other factors. Heck even in his own comics he constantly has to be changed because nobody cares about him enough to be interested in purchasing them. One minute he’s wolverine the next minute he’s Thor, and so fourth and so forth. Lol a complete joke of a Mary sue character that can’t have any originality and so he has just become a leach sucking off of better written/original superhero characters.

No Way Home didn't fail at all. Spiderverse just did most of it better. No Way Home just relied more on the nostalgia, which was beautiful

@Yalovayahznepomnimena

11 ай бұрын

No... Its just lazy and kids plot

@AndrewDukes

11 ай бұрын

@@Yalovayahznepomnimenahow

@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman

11 ай бұрын

Nah

@espada8077

11 ай бұрын

@@Yalovayahznepomnimena What drugs did you take for you to have that yee-yee ass opinion?

@LineOfThy

10 ай бұрын

@@Yalovayahznepomnimena it's not. you're just affirming your own biases.

My biggest problem with no way home is how much it relies on the other movies to do the heavy lifting. If you haven't seen spiderman 1 and 2 then goblin and doctor octopus have no real weight as villains. While everyone else freaks out about them showing up you'll be confused as to who they are. They have character arcs in the movie but they function as extensions of the arcs from the reimi movies. Same with amazing spiderman. Part of the reason I feel this way is because I didn't see amazing spiderman 2. So the moment where andrew saves mj meant nothing to me. I knew what it was from memes, but it didn't leave that impression on me like it did on other people. Point is no way home had the potential to be a good stand alone movie, but as it is now you need to watch the other spiderman movies to enjoy it. It's definitely an issue phase 4 and 5 of the MCU have run into.

I believe live action can also be very animated, for example I think Edgar wright would be perfect to direct a Spider-Man movie in live action, if Scott pilgrim and baby driver shown me anything is that he could definitely bring a larger than life comic book film to his live action films

the thing i hated the most about NWH is that... we had already had the responsibility speech in Civil War, but it was unique with its phrasing; "when you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you" sounds an awful lot like "with great power, comes great responsibility" without saying it, don't you think?

They couldn’t have Tobey and Andrew plucked from the same spot they left off because Tobey has quite obviously become much older. Would’ve been impossible to portray him at that age.

@-Anonymous-.

11 ай бұрын

It also would be a plot hole if they did.

@First-to-last

11 ай бұрын

Could say that do to some multiverse shenanigans he aged up

To add also Miles doesn't get help only from the spider people but he also helps them.

yeah just be snarky and say no way home failed to gain viewers . Both are great amazing movies

"We've already see them go through their sht off screen Why not just pluck the heroes at their lowest moment." Because then we just get a live action version of ITSV. In ITSV Peter Parker NEEDED to be the one falling apart. Because he needed to learn from Miles how to BE Peter Parker, so he could be a better Spider-Man. In NWH the Spiders NEEDED to be the ones who had their sht together to help Peter so he could remember how to be Spider-Man, as he was the one falling apart. Miles wasn't falling apart, he just needed guidance on how to be Spider-Man. But being Spider-Man is only HALF of who these heroes are-Miles isn't JUST Spider-Man he is also Miles. He has his shoe laces untied, even in the ICONIC falling/rising shot. He loves parkour, he loves tagging and graffiti; his own suit is made via his outlet of self expression which is art. One thing I noticed in Across the Spider-Verse and even in Into the Spider-Verse, everyone has expectations of him. Some aren't great. Some think he's just a kid who has NO idea what he's DOING. But if Miles has proven anything, it's that anyone can wear the mask. He doesn't need guidance anymore-he has to learn to work things out on his own. No Way Home and Into the Spider-Verse are two fundamentally different stories. Spider-Verse is about remembering who you are, about self discovery, about finding light even in moments of darkness, about learning that things are better when you aren't alone. No Way Home meanwhile was about second chances, about sacrifice and about legacy. The reason why the Spiders are handled the way they are in NWH isn't just for the sake of nostalgia. Peter Parker/Spider-Man is a human being that innately has a desire to help people. "When you can do the things I can but don't, and then the bad things happen....they happen because of you." That's why Tobey and Andrew have their act together as much as they can (cause let's be real Andrew is SUFFERING). Because Tom needed them. And so they stepped up. Because that's what Spider-Man does.

the part of the score that plays when miles find out he's in the wrong universe is immaculate.

No way home didn’t fail & I’m tired of people trying to push that it is. Both films had different goals & both succeeded it.

@TGPDrunknHick

11 ай бұрын

it's almost like one movie was bold and new while the other had a spider-man established by a half dozen other movies by this point. not only are they different mediums but, both characters are in entirely different stages of development.

Once again FilmSpeak belittles MCU Peter Parker & NWH

you did not watch no way home if youre saying the other universes characters had "nothing to do" They literally came to help him and talk him through his trauma. Green goblin was literally the main villain, Doc ock also came back to help the peters and reconcile with tobys spider-man. Electro also had self realization with Andrew, the others were mostly hollow sure but so were the other villains in spiderverse because why would you try to put so much focus on them when more important characters are getting the screen time they deserve? Nice job not using any evidence to support your claims as well. "their conversations were surface level and boring" wow amazing critique !

Spiderman no way home is Tom's spiderman 3 not a full blown multiversal movie. Its a story where his Spiderman officially becomes Spiderman its the end to an origin story. Into the Spiderverse was also an origin story but was planned to be a multiversal story from the start. It starts with the death of a Spiderman and an Introduction to a older more wore down one who get ropes into training this kid

Finally, some criticism of No Way Home. Something about it seriously just didn't gel well, and someone finally worded it.

No way home failed? Dafuq you on about

I think NWH was the final lesson for Tom Hollands spiderman. It always felt like he was a little clumsy as Spider-Man and I think the lesson in NWH for him to realise the real seriousness of what he does. And the other spidermen cameos helped him process that trauma properly, and not to lose sight of what he set out to do when he put on the suit. Spiderverse was about miles learning to be Spider-Man in his own way. MCU was about Spider-Man becoming a fully realised hero.

I think the best comparison of style for the multiverse is comparing something like No Way Home or Multiverse of Madness to Everything Everywhere All At Once. Both EEAAO and ITSV share a distinctly unique use of the multiverse that is intrinsic to the themes and story both movies try to tell. Because of this, the need for a visual style that is bombastic and groundbreaking is imperative for the movie itself to hold the audience and match the craziness of the very concept of a multiverse. I do have to say, NWH was a pretty good movie! It was not my personal favorite, but I still enjoyed myself while watching. Personally, the other Peter's still worked on screen just because they come in late enough where the limited exploration of them plus the intense focus on Holland Peter made it work. I think the fact that I have never seen the Maguire Spiderman movies and only the first of the Garfield movies just generally made my viewing of them movie enjoyable, but certainly not particularly hyped. It was not a bad premise, it was handled pretty well, and for an MCU movie, it was pretty solid. It's a stark contrast to my genuine enjoyment of ITSV, where I have watched it a number of times again after I first saw it back in 2018. ITSV has become one of my all time favorites, while NWH was an enjoyable experience, but not a movie that I will probably ever return to.

For me, my entire perspective on the spider-man movie's have changed with spiderverse and no way home. In the sense that because each variant of spider-man is so different, that I kind of don't want them to be the "same" anymore and i'm quite glad that each one is unique

Bro, you're trippin. NWH didn't fail.

I don’t think it’s fair to say NWH failed at the whole multiverse thing. Every spidey and most villains in the movie had satisfying arcs/endings that contributed to the forwarding of the story. If you want to say a multiverse movie failed, Doctor strange MoM might be a better fit.

@FilmSpeak

11 ай бұрын

Outside of Andrew and Electro…I can’t really say I think they all had fulfilling arcs

@Spdzxgeek_

11 ай бұрын

​​@@FilmSpeak Didn't Tobey and Tom had? Not even the Dock Ock? almost all the characters were complemented with the message of the second chance that the film left, Tobey and Andrew had their redemption saving Norman and MJ respectively at the same time closing the arc of Uncle Ben, and Tom (as much as you criticize him) has probably the most complete development of a cinematic Spider-Man, learning the value of responsibility in a beautiful way, and I don't understand how you call the movie "ugly to watch" when it has so many of the most beautiful shots or sequences of any movie of the character (Peter looking at Jameson in the rain or the final swing)

@jaydenc367

11 ай бұрын

@@aspiceeone It really was not terrible, not at all it still had all that character growth and arcs.

@skylord1846

11 ай бұрын

@@aspiceeone Okay, but that’s your opinion tho. It didn’t fail. It did really well in the box office.

@nck9755

11 ай бұрын

@@skylord1846 no duh, any capeshit flick by marvel is going to do numbers, especially spider-man lol

By way of title, I think the video title lead-in is wrong from the get-go. Both no way home & the spider-verse are a top notch achievement and I disagree completely with your takes on NWH. I agree Homecoming and the sequel are lacking in different ways that were mentioned... never was much of a fan of Homecoming. But No Way Home was on the money and it all the right notes for the MCU. Both make brilliant usage of the multiverse with its potential proving to be virtually limitless.

THANK YOU you've worded what ive been trying to say to people perfectly for the most part

I personally loved both of these movies and I’ve seen both no way home and across the spider verse 3 times in theaters I just had so much fun watching these movies and I feel like Spider-Man is in a good place and hopefully the next movies will keep up this entertaining energy.

Failed is strong language, NWH was a great film, The Spider-Verse movies were originally done, whereas NWH was essentially a reboot. Not fair to compare.

2 completely different stories for the character. *heres the view you desperately needed*

Alright, at this point, you can’t tell me that you either simply just don’t like the MCU or you’re literally trolling.

love this channel man! ever since my wife died in a car crash, these videos have brought me immense pleasure. you have become my comfort channel. my favorite movie of the year so far is Ant Man and the wasp quantumania! so underrated!

People are going to start trash talking No Way Home already huh? This genre of video needs to die off already.

@-Anonymous-.

11 ай бұрын

🥚zactly

@Indeeee

11 ай бұрын

Ikr, I'm so tired of these people.

The problem that I had with no way home was the writing and the lackluster plot. No way home was hyped around nostalgia and fan service. I also think across spider verse did a better job at multiverse storytelling.

@Horrorzeit

11 ай бұрын

I had the exact problem with the new movie. The villain was also boring and had nothing to do

@Jonathan_Lawyer

11 ай бұрын

I think they’re equals

@Slade_Chill

11 ай бұрын

@@Horrorzeit my main problem was the plot for me

@spideraty1529

11 ай бұрын

Not true lol

@Slade_Chill

11 ай бұрын

@@spideraty1529 explain how it’s not true

I think the animation medium is one of the key differences here. The _SpiderVerse_ films are able pull a lot more visually impressive stuff because it's fully animated, and it fully employs a lot of techniques from 2D animation, such a squash & strech and smear frames. So I think they being able to "bend" characters a lot more gives that vast difference in dynamic, which is present even when characters are just talking; _Across the SpiderVerse_ has some of the most impressive visually stunning shots I've ever seen in an animated film; nearly every single frame of that film is a painting.

Omg I literally almost cried listening to you talk about the deep connection Miles and Peter share. It really shows how passionate you are about the movie :´´)

THANK YOU! I have been saying these things AND more. That No Way Home is just not that great of a spiderman movie, let alone A Movie I don't mean to hate but after a few watches like...3 or so, none of the jokes, characters, etc really stand out. Every time I watch no way home I literally feel like ITSV just did it better

If you think about it, Peter was only spider-man for 6 months before Tony showed up. Which probably means he only faced petty thieves and what not, which never really gave him a Chance to grow and change that’s why it’s progressed over his time in the MCU to where he eventually realizes his mistake in NWH and in the end he makes the sacrifice to let everyone forget him. Reinforcing his knowledge of great power comes great responsibility, but it also takes the other two from different multiverses to help him come to that and mentor him just like Miles had. Heck Toby SM stopped Tom SM from making a huge mistake-killing goblin. I don’t think NWH failed because we already knew the multiverse existed and this movie completely demonstrated that. And it’s not like it was random, they way they brought it up was very well executed. I love both films and think both are perfect examples of what it means to be spider-man

@fedietu

11 ай бұрын

actually miles was only a spider man for only a week when he met another spider man in spiderverse 1 and had to deal with multiverse right after that. while NWH was only doing nothing but crying feeling guilty and stuff. that is such a disappointment

@LineOfThy

10 ай бұрын

@@fedietu straw men

@catboymiles7224

7 ай бұрын

love how atsv kind of turned this whole argument on its head lol. also I’m sorry but the mcu spiderman trilogy was destined to fail the moment it made its version of uncle ben be fucking billionaire tony stark. it absolutely undermines the idea of the character

News flash No way home didn’t fail it was one of the highest grossing movies this year.

Failed? Idk about that, little harsh, no?

The switch up on no way home is insane. A movie being fun doesn't make it bad

@AndrewDukes

11 ай бұрын

I swear. People say it’s bad bc fan service. What’s wrong with serving fans? The plot was still good, everything about it was good

@lukeshioshio

11 ай бұрын

Into the Spider-Verse is fun too bruh

@LineOfThy

10 ай бұрын

@@lukeshioshio but that doesn't mean NWH is bad

@lukeshioshio

10 ай бұрын

@@LineOfThy no it doesn't but it makes Sarah's point meaningless because nobody is hating on NWH for being fun. It's such a mixed bag. Into the Spider-Verse is fun but *worked* at the same time. NWH isn't worked at all.

@LineOfThy

10 ай бұрын

@@lukeshioshio Except that's not true at all.

Welcome to a video where the only way I can push the greatness of one movie is by belittling another

@RetroColdBrewCabana

11 ай бұрын

I don't think you watched the entire video he's explaining what exactly one got done that the other could not people of all ages can enjoy spider-verse whereas only people born of a certain time can enjoy no way home I grew up with Sam Raimi films and even I grasped that

@flamebreaker7318

11 ай бұрын

If you didn't watch the raimi trilogy or the amazing spiderman duology would no way home still be as good?

@jefnyssen1937

11 ай бұрын

@@flamebreaker7318 Oh no, the forst half sucks. I still believe the second half to be good even without that yeah

It’s all opinion though cause no way home didn’t fail. Audiences loved it (like 90 something %). It made 1.9 billion (with a big old B). Most important thing to me, I actually liked it. I liked both of em. They’re both great Spider-man movies…

@nalday2534

11 ай бұрын

fuck the audiences and box office. how bout that pretty boi?

@haidrow4008

11 ай бұрын

I also really enjoyed it but I don't think it holds up as a standalone movie at all

@LineOfThy

10 ай бұрын

@@haidrow4008 Great because it ain't supposed to

@ogsloppnbiscuiitz1108

10 ай бұрын

@@LineOfThy? Makes no sense n if a movie can’t stand alone without others connecting it.. then my boy we got a problem..*

@LineOfThy

10 ай бұрын

@@ogsloppnbiscuiitz1108 Why?

Great video! Subbed and looking forward to more

We need to stop this No Way Home backlash tbh, I know it was really hyped up but damn. We don’t need to give it an equal amount of backlash to balance out or whatever it is we’re trying to do…. One could argue it’s still a top tier live-action SM movie. I think Spider-Verse is the best SM movie overall, but it seems to be popular to put NWH down. Especially in the YT editorial community. And it’s getting overplayed tbh.

@theoutsiderjess4869

11 ай бұрын

I agree the way people are hating on this movie doesn't make sense and i wasn't necessarily a big fan of the mcu movies before nwh

@realityshifter3399

11 ай бұрын

@KingSupreme I agree, there is a kind of pretentiousness and pseudo-intellectualism that goes along with NWH backlash. It's fine if someone prefers Spiderverse over NWH, but the problem is that a lot of criticism of NWH doesn't seem to be coming from a place of good faith.

@king_supreme1102

11 ай бұрын

@@realityshifter3399 yeah that’s how I feel. I mean if you have problems with it, that’s fine. But there seems to be a movement to drag it through the dirt. I suspect that if it wasn’t so hyped up it wouldn’t be getting this treatment. I feel like it’s only getting so much backlash bc it’s so popular and ppl really like to be contrarian.

@realityshifter3399

11 ай бұрын

@@king_supreme1102 I think it has to do with fact that NWH is associated with MCU and thus associated with Disney which they don't like. There have been this growing movement to write off the MCU as "NOT cinema" and the backlash against NWH is an extension of that argument.

@king_supreme1102

11 ай бұрын

@@realityshifter3399 I can see that. I mean I’ve been pretty disappointed with the MCU as of late. But I think NWH was it’s best movie in the last few years. I can take some issues with its writing seriously, but all in all I think there’s a LOT of good that people overlook. Again I think you could make the argument that it’s a top tier live action SM movie. Plot holes? Ok I can understand that. But to ignore it good pacing (despite the fact that it has a lot going on), it’s relatable and likable characters, it’s arc for Peter, and the fact that these legacy characters have a reason for being there seems a bit disingenuous. I mean Toby and Andrew both have reason for being there. They’re not just fan service cameos. It really brings to attention good fan service Vs. Bad. It’s good when it does have a purpose for being there. And Toby and Andrew do. Granted, not all of the villains are super fleshed out. But compared to how Spider-Man 3 and TASM 2 handled multiple villains, it does a pretty solid job. And I liked how they kinda reimagined Peter’s origin. They reframe it to make this his origin trilogy. While usual, I think they did a nice job of it. And knowing he has another trilogy coming (where he’s a fully formed adult SM) I think it works.

For Tobey Vulture was gonna be in spider-man 4 as the main villain with a cameo appearance from Mysterio and i think Rhino too. The hinting at Lizard who could've showed up in a spider-man 5 it would've been cool if he talked about them too. Or in TASM 2 with hinting at a sinister six Andrew could've talked about them.

❤Amazing 🎉 editz 🔥🔥🔥 bro 💣💣💣

Making Spider-Man way home was a feat of moving mountains people should really appreciate that it exists and is as good as it is because it could've been a huge disaster like the rise of skywalker

@davidcatlett4052

11 ай бұрын

Yep to that.

@brucecrawford_17

11 ай бұрын

💯 And Spider-Man: No Way Home managed to also make Emperor Palpatine have more meaning than The Rise of Skywalker. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@davidcatlett4052

11 ай бұрын

@@brucecrawford_17 What do you mean by that?

@brucecrawford_17

11 ай бұрын

@@davidcatlett4052 The Lego miniature of Emperor Palpatine was shown again in No Way Home from Homecoming as a reminder/representation of Peter and Ned’s friendship. There was no original plan to bring Palpatine back for The Rise of Skywalker and was only brought in to sell tickets. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@davidcatlett4052

11 ай бұрын

@@brucecrawford_17 Oh yeah. Thanks for that reminder. I had forgotten. The scene where Peter glances at the cut on Michelle's head and decides then to stay silent is burned into my memory.

Spidey is the one character marvel has put the most passion in since the infinity gauntlet saga ended and that if nothing else is worthy of respect for all the films❤

@mutalemwananshiku4098

4 ай бұрын

Why do u say that ?

Can’t wait for your opinion on the new film

*Thanks for a great video!*

I also like how they did the multiverse in Into the Spider-Verse, when they made traveling to other dimensions a risk, where you could die if you're in the wrong dimension for too long

Spider-Verse just makes so much sense. I have seen the film like 8 times and it never got old. I only watched No Way Home twice in theaters but on the second viewing, you really start to notice how everyone is forced to act like a dumbass in order for the plot to work

@MrAjking808

10 ай бұрын

Really feel like y’all aren’t old enough to understand the movie & just overhyped this movie

I always thought it would be interesting to see a varient of Doctor strange from the Raimi-verse or TASM-verse in FFH.

I loved NWH on first watch. I was literally shaking seeing toby and andrew again but i was left wishing they were there sooner. As you said here, they could have been great mentors. And the narrative for why they look older even though the narrative is that we pick up with them after we last saw them, could have a simple one: Since all their NYs are so similar and they are essentially the same person, the universe could have been trying to make their forced existence fit (so the universe wouldn't immediately collapse) by aging them to fit the mcu's current year of 2025 but they'd still be the same mentally. That way we get 3 spider-mans at three different points of life: A mature and seasoned spider in toby, a vengeful yet still working on his place as a hero spider with andrew, and tom being the "newest" spider whose always had support (tony stark) and comparably milder solo villains. Both toby and andrew could have been examples of the path tom's actions could take him and they all could have grow by being around each other as different perspectives of their own lives. And together they would still try to save their respective villains before sending them back because thats what spider-man does

who says no way home failed?? that movie was amazing

No Way Home was a huge hit, and it was a good movie. Into the Spiderverse is the BEST Spider-Man movie.

Spiderman 2 will always be the best spiderman film

@Leodog92

7 ай бұрын

That. And you can add Across the Spider verse on that list too😊

@cheezyfro144

7 ай бұрын

@@Leodog92 that movie is overrated. Into the Spiderverse is better and deserves to be up there with Spiderman 2.

"Taking a concept that is a little out there but still grounded in the problems of day-to-day life and throwing it into the full-blown reality of Science Fiction. That science fiction will then amplify those problems" Never have I ever heard a more succinct explanation of fiction narrative. Absolutely stellar.

I think we can celebrate both for what they are, and how they contributed to the overall Spider-Man lore, without using one to retroactively criticize the other. One seem to be a celebration of all Spider-Man movies before, the other seem to be a new version telling the story going forward. Both were wildly successful, and I think both worked really well for what they were trying to do.

Where exactly did no way home fail?! This movie was awesome! Both movies are great.Ok with Spider vers being 1 because man that movie was good

@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034

11 ай бұрын

NWH is really good, it'd just that ATSV does everything it did better and makes it look worse in comparison.

@darkboi6394

11 ай бұрын

NWH failed AS A STORY

13:47 one of the criticisms you give on NWH is that some of its characters (mainly in regards to villains) don’t need to be there because they don’t add anything to the story, but if you really think about it, how were most of the villains in Into the Spider-Verse impactful to the story in any way? Don’t get me wrong, ITSV and ATSV are probably both in my top five favorite animated movies, but let’s be real here and admit that the only villains that actually DO anything significant as characters in the story are Kingpin and Prowler. Tombstone, Scorpion, Green Goblin (who is literally only there for one fight scene), hell even Doc Oc do absolutely nothing for the story and even Doc Oc merely serves as a plot device to get the science behind the Spider-Verse ball rolling just so the movie can happen. I love both movies, and I feel like this is just an unfair criticism of one and not the other. Just my opinion though.

@motherplayer

11 ай бұрын

Spider-Verse was still trying to prove itself, so it gets a pass with being a bit underwhelming in that regard, as opposed to NWH which wasted characters who have more background being that they had whole movies to establish themselves, but Sandman is given motivation that should meant he has no stake but his own, yet somehow still manages to have him being more of a hindrance to the heroes in spite of the fact the villain's plan would be entirely detrimental to him getting back home and Lizard...well, even the film can barely justify why he was there beyond fanservice, which shows how much they think about him. I'd say it's worse to be underwhelming with established potential than it is to waste newcomers.

@Ren_Davis0531

11 ай бұрын

I see where you’re coming from. However, I would argue that’s in no way the same thing. Tombstone, Scorpion, and Goblin are all henchman that don’t ask anything of the audience. Some people only think it’s a problem because they just happen to be big names in the comics. Ock was used as the way to explain the main mechanics of the plot and fit that role as well as providing some struggle for the heroes. The villains in No Way Home are all given some motivation beyond just a henchman and made a bigger deal, yet only Goblin, Ock, and Electro (barely) have anything worthwhile to do in the story. Even Ock kind of drops off once his problem gets dealt with. Sandman is even established to not really vibe with the villains and just wants to go home, yet is still seen fighting with them for no real reason. It’s just a gimmick to get cool stuff to happen. Fun gimmick, but a gimmick nonetheless.

@djsosbehossj

11 ай бұрын

I feel like something people don't seem to understand about ITSV is that miles's universe isn't supposed to be the spiderman universe we know and love. It's different, so it makes sense change up some of the roles of it's villains. For example, we expect green goblin to be Spiderman's nemesis, but in ITSV, it seems pretty clear that Spiderman(earth 1610)'s nemesis is actually Kingpin. In the film, Kingpin demonstrates a great amount of not only physical power, but also political and financial power, considering that he is able to build the collider and why most of the movie's villains work for him. While it would've been nice to see some of these "henchmen" versions of Spiderman's classic enemies get more character development, the narrative simply didn't need it, as it would've just added unnecessary baggage and detract away from Kingpin. Also, keep in mind that it doesn't really make sense for the film to delve into those characters simply because the perspective we are given in the film is that of miles, who is thrown into an established conflict, kingpin's super collider. The scene where Spiderman fights kingpin's henchmen and tries to stop the collider is actually a great example of this, as it shows how miles is not really apart of the conflict And therefore does not know the motives or backstory behind some of the characters. In fact, in the majority of the movie, we see most scenes played out from miles perspective, so we only really know as much as miles does, although this changes in ATSV. Although I will say that spider noir, spider pig, peni, and even spider Gwen to an extent, were underutilized as characters, with most of them just showing up just for the sake of it. But, this is simply my take on this, although I might be bit biased since this is one of my favorite movies of all time, but we're all biased to an extent, as we're only human after all. Cheers

One movie was paying respect to the other live action movies Another payed respect to Spiderman as a concept But both did what they wanted to do really good

This is exactly what the second spider-verse talks about! There are no rules to being Spider-Man, all you need is perseverance.

When did people start disliking no way home? Because when it came out people were acting like it was the second best if not the best spiderman movie

@snowset675

11 ай бұрын

I wasn’t but I still loved it, though it was mainly because of the fan service

Why do we gotta hate on everything. NWH was a dream to see cause it had our three live action Spider-Man’s. It was also made and produced during and directly proceeding the worst of Covid and had plot leaks like no other movie, but still it was something we all talked about and obsessed over for months leading up to it and months after it. Don’t hate on it just to be different.

@imreadyt0g0h0me

11 ай бұрын

This is exactly why people need to “hate” on the movie. A movie is more than who’s in it, or how it was produced. He’s just examining/comparing the movies. Simple as that. People can not like a movie and it’s perfectly ok. People can like a movie and it’s perfectly ok. You do you. He’ll do him.

@galaxystudios5642

11 ай бұрын

i do like no way home dont get me wrong but call me an old man but its not really top tier spider-man movie for me. its definitely the best out of hollands trilogy. but i dont think no way home should even be compared to into the spider verse, hell even across the spider verse at least in my opinion.

@yodogjc1797

11 ай бұрын

This guy is not being different, right now hating on mcu is the norm and it doesn’t make sense why these KZreadrs act like they’re in the minority when criticizing mcu when it’s become the majority at this point

@Im.myfuture

11 ай бұрын

Nobody’s hating to be different. These are some of the same grievances people were pointing after the movie was released. It doesn’t make it absolved of any critiques.

@Oscar-dc4ur

11 ай бұрын

This video essay isn’t hating on the film

The one thing that sucked about nwh was that they killed off aunt may who is a big part of Spider-Man

Something that keeps me up at night is the fact that theres probably a universe out there where willlem defoe is actually a serial killer pshycopath like the green goblin.

@anthonyfoster1685

9 күн бұрын

That would be pretty scary

The way you're touting NWH as not being a movie its not trying to be or even needs to be kills your whole argument

This was a really good breakdown and comparison that highlights everything very fairly, both good and bad, about the different films. Yeah, I gotta agree, the MCU definitely played it way too safe, and still does for the most part. Most of it is that fan fair route that doesn't do much to really explore or challenge the characters. James Gunn's films are definitely more of a break away from this especially with Guardians 3, but there are still moments, even in 3 that do bother me in terms of character, whereas I never get that from the Spider-Verse movies. The Spider-Verse movies are so tightly written and have characters not only interact, but actually further one another along their respective journeys, even background and side characters. However, in the MCU there is that annoyingly consistent status quo the feels like a corporation trying to maintain a brand instead of an artist creating a vision while sending a message. One example: In Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3, Mantis actually not only maintains the status quo in her relationship with Drax; she regresses his character from an actual interesting exploration into his self-esteem and perception, and just makes him forget she called him stupid. I get that that was supposed to be a joke but I was far more disappointed at the loss for his potential growth, especially from being "the big dumb guy" trope. It actually would've been nice to see him internalize and deal with how problematic he can be and find a way to understand and consider how his actions and words affect his team. I gotta be honest, Drax's stupidity has actually been more annoying than funny to me since vol 2. In vol 1 it stemmed from a true misunderstanding of subtext, metaphors and sayings due to his cultural background that never used any of that. After that, he just kinda just felt like a toddler that never learned anything. But I digress. Back to my point: Unlike the MCU, every character in Spider-Verse feels like they're supposed to be their, learning from each other as they grow through each of their own arcs which you can see pay off with both Peter B and Gwen not only at the end of Into the Spider-Verse, but even more so in the sequel to see how Miles affected and changed their lives, not just how they changed him. Peter never regressed, and stepped up to the challenge of being a father. Gwen struggled sure, but eventually, the trust she developed with Miles pays off big time in her situation. See the movie. The only real fault I can find in Spider-Verse is that I question how Gwen's spider sense led her to Miles's school BEFORE he was bitten and I can't think of what else would've drawn her there since none of the villains attended the school, even as staff or faculty. If the Collider had been directly underneath the school that would've made sense except the Spider Squad slings away to another part of town for the gala that the Collider was actually under. So yeah, a little plot hole there, but I can definitely more forgive that instance as opposed to the honest stagnation that's happened in the MCU. While I am still happy we got what we did from the MCU in many respects, I feel that almost everything after Endgame has not only fallen short of building up the next plot, but has actively failed their characters, especially Wanda aka Scarlet Witch whom Dr. Strange 2 thoroughly derailed and then unceremoniously assassinated both figuratively and potentially literally if they don't bring her back in some convoluted way... And don't get me started on Quantumania. Scott, Hope and Cassy all had the solution to their problems literally sitting in their respective pockets the entire movie. "Oh we're shrunk? Well... let's not use either our handy suits or discs that could actually make us big again!" And why wouldn't Janet warn anyone? Her entire family is comprised of experts in the field. You think a heads up wouldn't have prevented that whole situation? For a family of scientists they're pretty dumb... Anyway, while I can accept No Way Home for the fan fare that it is, I'm glad I checked this video out to see where it could have gone and how it could have been legitimately better and grander! And that's another problem the MCU has: they never go grander. They seem too afraid to as the multiverse has constantly been in danger, only for the problem to get fixed. It never bursts open like they constantly promise! Spider-Verse? Oh no... those writers have the capability and courage to take that leap of faith into something more! They've teased us at the end of each movie so far and so far, they have delivered far above and beyond with more than enough interesting characters, settings and plot than you can shake a web at! I'll forgive a plot hole here or there in Spider-Verse as ultimately, it all comes together so well in so many different aspects that I have a hard time even finding just one. And with every rewatch there is always something new to be gained even if it's just a greater appreciation for what the material is. With the MCU? I won't say it isn't or hasn't been cinema, that's far too discrediting and dishonest, but I will say that it has been lacking in the vision and cohesive writing that Spider-Verse has shown. If the MCU could just sit down with its writers and decide on what they plan to do, and then stick to that plan with cooperation from everyone, then we'd have a much better time and experience. Maybe it would even rival the Spider-Verse movies, but until that happens, I'm honestly not sure if I really want to go out of my way to see anymore MCU films. Spider-Verse though? Oh, I'm going to see if I can't rewatch those at least twice in theaters and then infinitely at home.

@naomilemarrec

9 ай бұрын

there's a theory from having watched across the spiderverse that gwens spidersense is faster than other spiderpeople and hers works almost in a precognition // foresight kinda way ig. like her spidersense led her to miles because of that precognition. but it's not confirmed it's just based off a throwaway line in the film

@mutalemwananshiku4098

4 ай бұрын

How is not build up the next plot , the next plot is the multiverse.

I agree, great perspective in terms or characteristics

Always wondered what it would be like if they didn’t take the spider verse route and bring in previous spider men and spider men villains. Possibly Doc Ock tries to stop Spider-Man from clearing his name because he was friends with Quinten Beck and doesn’t want his name tainted. Yes that would be massive steps to help a good friend of his, but they could’ve also said that he was mentally ill or smth 💀

I have to disagree. No Way Home has an ending and not just build up where as Across the Spider-verse has so much build up and when it gets good it just ends no ending and is incomplete. Across the Spider-Verse is just half a film. I can't get into spoilers but when you see the film you'll understand. If you want to end your film on a cliffhanger you need to do it right like Empire Strikes Back, Fellowship of the Ring or Infinity War.

Love how people were dickriding nwh now everyone on the wave with hating it lmao

@FilmSpeak

11 ай бұрын

I mean…I have a video when the movie first dropped basically sharing the same feelings I do here. I was never really a big fan of it.

@mainescapade

11 ай бұрын

Haha, you are seeing different people having different opinions. People are never that organised

@jackwatson6887

11 ай бұрын

@@FilmSpeak so why make this video then? If it’s retreading old ground then just praise spider verse. It’s possible to do that without repeating yourself or as some way to get cheap views.

@FilmSpeak

11 ай бұрын

@@jackwatson6887 It’s not cheap views dude, it’s a legitimate argument that I haven’t made on the channel before and therefore felt fitting with the release of the new spider-verse film to cover. Me not liking NWH and mentioning that here, doesn’t retreat old ground.

@jackwatson6887

11 ай бұрын

@@FilmSpeak So what points did you make in your video when No Way Home came out? Maybe saying cheap is harsh, but it’s definitely a funny coincidence that as soon as Across comes out, this wave of anti-NWH content comes pouring out, acting like these two films are worth comparing and contrasting as if they’re trying to do the same thing is strange. One is a trilogy capper in a wider extended universe that completes the full origin of Holland’s Peter Parker, while one is essentially half a story to a narrative that Lord and Miller have carefully thought of for years and the animation team have flawlessly conveyed. Different ideas both done well. I just dislike this idea of putting one film down to raise another.

Well said, thank you 🙏

Across the Spider-Verse is the best, but don’t diss No Way Home, it’s a masterpiece.