For clarification as a kill team player you can play cadians with 10 using the veteran guard team by bringing two airstrikes but they probably told you to play compendium guard which is 14 because vet guard is advertised as Krieg and GW are opposed to taking any kind of liberty with models

@thepoorhammerpodcast

11 ай бұрын

Exactly what the GW guy told me. He was a champ, I really appreciated him being honest and real with us and not PR-y.

@GuthanSlayer

11 ай бұрын

i thought vet guard could also take 10-14 also u play with less and you get artillery support or w/e instead of 4 more guys, but then again they said no combat points or anything else so... thats lame, otherwise the vetguard are pretty strong

@therefromhere

11 ай бұрын

What they should have done is run them as compendium Scions. They're the easiest & simplest way to play guard in Kill Team, and only 10 models needed. It's basically Vet guard with training wheels (in a good way)

I'm all in for Kill Team to be a thing regardless of how well it accomplishes its goal of being 40K Lite just because it's seems to be the ONLY way for GW to give us some decently interesting infantry kits at the level of AoS. I'm not sure we would've ever seen things like updated Arbites or Navy guys at all otherwise.

@adamtoth3611

11 ай бұрын

Killteam is fun, I like it. Combat patrols is also fun. I don't have time for a 6 hour 40k game

@DominatorLegend

11 ай бұрын

@@adamtoth3611 Don't get me wrong, I like it and even prefer it over 40K too (I'm spaniard after all, we are the KINGS of KT). I just said it as an answer to Brad's opinion. Can't say how it compares to Boarding Patrol since GW gave us no time to even try the gamemode.

@GuthanSlayer

11 ай бұрын

kill team was 40k lite, now its honestly its their own game with different rules

@8rianGriffin

11 ай бұрын

@@GuthanSlayer yeah, my thought too. They tried it as lite but it didn't work out so they had a full makeover for a standalone skirmisher

@jazzy4830

11 ай бұрын

@@GuthanSlayer preferred it when it was 40k lite, with just specializations as upgrades to make certain models like player characters. I think it just wasn't fully implemented and left several factions with no good options. I would have preferred continuous development over the totally different game we have now.

as someone who grew up in indy, the reason downtown feels so empty is because unlike most cities, we have plenty of parking and the city is very, very spread out. Indy didn't build tall, but wide. Downtown is small compared to all of the city, and in fact most of us don't go there ever while working in Indianapolis. It's mostly a place to go for expensive stuff and tourist traps. So, if you work there, you park at your work place and don't have to walk too far, or you're a tourist.

As one of the 6 kill team fans, I'll have to hold on to my pipe bomb - we're only allowed one of each Equipment with the Indirect trait, so I've gotta be careful. But really, it's definitely not a game for everyone, and it does go much quicker once you understand the rules, but like you said, there are a lot more rules compared to other skirmish games. I'll always enjoy it, probably even more than 40k, and in a way BA definitely doesn't fulfill - if for no other reason than "I like alternative activations." Also, it lets me play eldar corsairs as their own force, which is rad as hell.

@GuthanSlayer

11 ай бұрын

ill lend you my pipe bomb :D, also the spanish inqusition which are very into kill team in spain has begun to send a letter to their p.o box* But ya when he said it takes as long as 40k i was kinda suprised because most peopl;e say it takes about an hour per match or so

@Davice0512

11 ай бұрын

@@GuthanSlayer yeah I can get a 3 player kill team battle done in about and hour and a half at most. That's with full Strategic Ploys, Equipment, Tac Ops, ect. I was shocked when they said it takes as long as 40k I have never played a game of 40k under 2 and a half to 3hours.

@vittoriodicredico5985

11 ай бұрын

Underrated comment lol

Listening to this while I work on my second kill team. I don’t have time to play, but I have purchased about 7 kill teams so far and I’m working my way through them. What that guy said is pretty spot on. After one squad of space marines I’m excited to paint Necrons, and then I’ll paint some Corsairs. The variety helps a lot. I tried collecting armies in the past but the boredom of trying to build even 1000 points is too much for me. Since I don't have time to play anyway, so Kill Team is the easiest and most fun way to enjoy 40k at the moment.

@Bluecho4

11 ай бұрын

I, too, found it was easier to paint through the backlog when I could bounce between multiple different armies. If I got bored of painting my Fallen, I could paint a squad of Drukhari. It's also handy to have multiple different skirmish bands on hand, in case you want to introduce someone new to the game. They don't need their own models, you can lend them one of yours. They can get hooked on playing the game, before the matter of building and painting models even comes into it. A lot harder to do that with a mass battle game.

@DominatorLegend

11 ай бұрын

Also, something that in my experience seems to be much more present in Kill Team than in 40K is customization. It's way easier to get invested in your squad of named guys instead of an army of swaths of nameless infantry where the only named characters are gonna be the one leading the army and maybe a couple more. With Kill Team it can be sonething like your very own Gaunt's Ghosts-esque squad.

@chenhan22

11 ай бұрын

Yeah I totally agree. I enjoy kitbashing and bringing different kits together because the scope is so much more limited... Maybe I'll move to the combat patrols one day? @@DominatorLegend

@chenhan22

11 ай бұрын

Yeah in the back of my head I'm thinking that I want to have like 7-8 different teams made, with Terrain, so if someone comes over for some games we can just grab stuff off the shelves and play. I have a toddler right now so I also hope building a collection means I'll have a chance to play with him when he gets older :D @@Bluecho4

"Skirmish Game", to me, is just a function of scale, not game length or rules complexity. That's why I like Kill Team - I like the small scale of it, I can play KT on my kitchen table, it's a meaty enough system, and I like that the buy-in is relatively cheap for a GW game. A single Kill Team box is around $60, and even if you're taking full-fat 40k models and making a team out of them, it's still only around $120-$150 on average.

@benjaminfanguy1396

8 ай бұрын

Literally why I got started with kill team

As a long time Gencon goer, I totally get what you mean about it feeling like Consumer-Con....IF you're not doing a ton of events or meeting friends there to play stuff. Post-COVID especially, it's been tougher to get strangers to pull you into whatever they're doing, social skills have gotten worse. If you fill your schedule with events (you can sign up for demos, play D&D sessions, do tournaments) it usually is a lot better. If you're just wandering the dealer hall, it's not gonna be a good time for more than a day.

If you do come back to check things out, stop by Good Games Indy. We're a few streets down from the convention center and we typically host different events throughout the week of Gen Con. If nothing else, I'm making sure we have smoked brisket next year.

I was hoping Necromunda might make its way in here, as I'm tempted to give it a go. Definitely going to look into warcry now after your review.

@thepoorhammerpodcast

11 ай бұрын

I unfortunately couldn't find a Necromunda equivalent to the game tutorials we played for the others. I don't know if I failed to find it, or if it was filled up already, or if it wasn't being offered.

@wamspride

11 ай бұрын

Necromundo is extremely heavy and probably can't be taught in only 2 hours

@CanonessEllinor

11 ай бұрын

@@thepoorhammerpodcastNecromunda is pretty much the exact opposite of what you talk about wanting from a skirmish game. It is EXTREMELY heavy, moreso than 40k, and absolutely not a good game for convention tutorials. It’s not balanced in the slightest, which seems to be deliberate because it’s a narrative game, not a competitive one. It’s also written primarily for campaign play, so a pickup game with pre-made gangs wouldn’t give you a good picture of what the game is really like. For what it’s worth though, it’s a very fun game.

@DominatorLegend

11 ай бұрын

@@CanonessEllinor Huh, I always felt some curiosity towards Necromunda and for the longest time I thought it was the middle point between 40K and KT (and yes, I'm aware Necro predates KT by a lot). It sounds very interesting now, and I always found its minis to be gorgeous, might now try to jump into it.

I'm SO glad you guys enjoyed Warcry as much as you did! As an Age of Sigmar player I've played my fair share of Warcry and in my process of collecting all sorts of the new and old Warbands, it's a great time. I'm not personally sure myself if it's the best GW game out there, but let me at least give you some anecdotal evidence as to why it *could* be the best. I have taught Warcry to most of my friends and family who enjoy tabletop games, even the ones who said the would NEVER try the army game of Age of Sigmar. All of them enjoyed it and said they'd want to play it again. As anecdotal as it is, I think it speaks volumes that even the most casual of my friends were able to pick up Warcry and have fun enough to want to try again.(in spite of my terrible terrain setups and overly-detailed teach) Although. . . Was there no tutorial event for Warhammer Underworlds? Because I'd have liked to get your thoughts on Underworlds. If not as a game then *definitely* the models. If you think the Warcry models are beautiful, then look at the Underworlds Warbands. Those are some of if not the *greatest* sculpts GW has ever made. Also. . . As someone who owns over 10,000 points of Stormcast, the shade thrown at 34:00 wounds me. Finally, there's just a 2 slight corrections I'd like to point out, because I'm a pedant. First, at 29:14 you mentioned that the Chaos Legionnaires weren't "Slaves to Darkness", which is technically true. They are aligned to Be'lakor and therefore are members of "Legion of the First Prince" more than the traditional Slaves to Darkness army. However, right now at least, Legion of the First Prince is a Subfaction in Slaves to Darkness. So the Legionnaires are still backfed/funneled into the main army of Slaves to Darkness, since Legion of the First Prince isn't its own army anymore.(because it used to be for a while) Secondly, at 33:52 GW *did* make a non-chaos Bespoke Warcry Warband before the recent waves of releases. That being the Khaineite Shadowstalkers were a Bespoke Warband that launched around 2020, and they were for the Daughters of Khaine army, which is NOT Chaos.(despite how Chaos-like they act in the lore)

@gnoblin2528

11 ай бұрын

Yeah the underworld stuff is top notch but the game is great too more “tabletop game” then a war game which is great for some peeps (me included)

@SpooKimi

11 ай бұрын

same, when someone did an warcry introduction event, everyone enjoyed it and peeps that had the resources to get into it (cuz broke students) did get into it and over time. same when i started introducing friends to warcry all of them enjoyed it (even my gf found it okay :3) it also reminded me of killteam 1 all the friends i played with enjoyed it and wanted to play more

Speed, I am Speed

The boys coming in just as Im painting my 'nids, gonna be a good hobby sesh

Kill team is definitely its own complex game that has comparable depth to 40k. I prefer KT because of the squad commitment you talked about. I've been scared to get back into painting minis for a long time, and between one squad, one team and speed / contrast paints, KT has gotten me excited to do projects again. I'm never bored of painting because my biggest commitment is 10 - 15 figures; I can experiment with techniques and materials really quickly and see what I like results wise. I've got a combat patrol box and I've been dreading assembling and painting the tank for it. A lot of people just pick up one box of bespoke KT releases for factions since they're 'stronger' mechanically than the compendium teams.

Surprised you didn’t try Underworlds, it’s light and fast with gorgeous models and I think it’d be right up your alley. Also, the current Blood Bowl Lizardmen team is gorgeous. They and the Underworlds crew had the first good-looking Saurus models ever.

About the box of 10 Cadian's being a Kill Team. It can be. Veteran Guard Kill Team is base 10 Guys with whatever weapon loads. You then get ancillary support and you can choose to take 4 base troopers which most people say is the best option or 2 of a list of 4 extra abilities like being able to call in an Air Strike.

I'm so glad you guys enjoyed Blood bowl! In my personal experience of playing GW games, it has the friendliest community because the tone of the game is relaxed. Official GW models range from terrible to beautiful. However, they are guilty of requiring multiple boxes I would suggest 3D printing.

@ChimaeraTom

11 ай бұрын

having your best player fail their 2+ GFI to score the winning touchdown, fail their armour roll, then roll to just fuckin die, and that's completely normal kinda takes the toxicity out of the game i feel

just found this pod this week, it's amazing

@Birdmanesp92

11 ай бұрын

Speedrun Poorhammer

@soffren

11 ай бұрын

Highly recommend going back to older episodes

@Sercotani

11 ай бұрын

found them a couple weeks ago, been binging their stuff ever since. Mostly interested in the lore discussions but I've learned a bunch of stuff about the tabletop too from their content.

I kind of agree with the 2nd argument for Kill Team you brought up. There's been rumors for months about a Striking Scorpions/Space Marine Scouts box to refresh both kits. The Striking Scorpions are literally the only Craftworld Eldar unit that I actually want to own. That box would be my jump into Kill Team.

Star wars legion is the 28mm scale game but that terrain was for AMG's newest gamer Shatterpoint which is a bit bigger in scale. The sculpts are amazing and both games are for sure cheaper than gw. most of that terrain comes in the core set box with some added from sets they sell at i think a bit more than $50. shatterpoint uses 2 squads per army and each is about 50 as well

@billcypher9543

11 ай бұрын

Personally i havent gotten into shatterpoint yet, I would reccomend legion as they sell boxes that bring a full list at the 500 pt level but it goes up to 800 pt, inexpensive to get in and alternating activations is something i wish they would add to 40k

The Lorcana bit is some excellent dread, great storytelling.

I absolutely love blood bowl, it’s such a great game and 100% recommend getting into it. It’s nice because they have limits on units so you can actually buy a full team with like 1 box and some 3D prints. Plus since blood bowl uses a grid the models don’t matter, so that and the fact GW abandoned the game for like a decade means the community loves 3D prints and allow them at all official events that aren’t held by GW and they don’t have a stranglehold on the tournament community

@ahktang

11 ай бұрын

Yes, exactly! Blood Bowl is in a unique situation right now for a modern GW game. It has ongoing official support, with new models and updates coming frequently, and yet at the same time, there's a thriving 3rd party community of high quality physical and 3d printed models that you can expect to be supported at at pretty much any event.

God hearing Brad talk about downtown kills me. Detroit is such a crazy city. Casinos stacked ontop of greek resturants, and homeless people lol. When Yomicon comes around, I always remember how absolutely SLAMMED it gets downtown.

@Poorhammer I am actually a GW events team employee, the terminator (arnold) and the intercessor are actually life size, its just the base throws it off because they are then even taller, the obj markers are events only. The helmets also have a backstory for each marine and how that kmarine died during the heresey. The boarding actions was actually four dungeons for a dungeon crawler game that we made for GenCon, my boss actually broght the Idea up to Stu so that I can become a game to play at home, so stay tuned for that. Also each color was a different difficulty in that room, green=easy, yellow=medium,=red was hard and dark red was the boss rooms. The actions figures were 2009 space hulk . Both of those games were generic tickets for 2 dollars a piece. We do plan on using the crawler again for the NOVA and GenCon next year.

We have a really solid Kill Team community in Chicago! Our core community is generally into it NOT as small-scale 40k but as a deep competitive game system that has a much smaller number of minis. I think every member of our community has at least two active teams and several folks have four or more. Our running joke is that KT is cheaper than 40k until you just start collecting every single faction because it's "just one more small army"

Commenting for Algorithm, but a kinda funny thing about GenCon. I was there at the GW Kitbash/painting assembly area you mentioned. I went despite not playing 40k for years and painting and assembling at that table hooked me again and got me back into the hobby. Which also means I started obsessing over the hobby, so I sort of owe GenCon to finding Poorhammer and consuming all the video content in like a week since.

Regarding gencon being consumer-con: that was much more pronounced post covid. Pre-covid the demo game area was much bigger and I felt the number of people there to meet and play with strangers was higher.

@FishHookEXE

11 ай бұрын

Having been going to GenCon for 7 years now, completely agree. You *can* still find people who are just there to hang out and play games (I had a LOVELY experience doing a demo of Kill Team at the GW booth for instance) but it's harder now, people aren't as willing to just open up and invite you in.

@neostrider2003

11 ай бұрын

Attempts were made. Hotel lobbies had a lot people setting up games and willing to hangout. I also saw way more small or indie events than my lgs could ever organize. I think there was a lot of pressure on the companies and organizers to make the con worth it. Selling booths for vendors to sell products funds the rest of the con. I hope they achieved the goal and we can ease back into what it was.

@FishHookEXE

11 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree, these are all companies that got hammered by the pandemic, they have to make it worth their while. This is the first GenCon that felt all the way back post-pandemic in terms of scale, but it's still getting there again in terms of vibe

I like KT because it’s got enough crunch without demanding far more time and effort as full 40K, and with Compendium Teams you can have a very simplistic game. I like it more then Warcry and 40K, but Warcry is still just fun (even if I wish it had a bit more crunch) and I still occasionally play 40K (likely for the same reasons people play HH), but I keep going back to KT, even though I really hope it gets the same treatment as from 9th to 10th Maybe it’s because I first got into TT games with Battletech, but I completely disagree with the “skirmish should be simpler” opinion many have. Expect your pipe bomb in the next 6-8 weeks (or never with Evri)

@Aconspiracyofravens1

10 ай бұрын

Honestly I like battletech but it’s wayyyy too crunchy, it’s so crunchy you can’t really use all the fun extra mechanics and scenarios since the core rules take up so much space. Alpha strike is a little too simple though, the core rules are fine but the mechs, especially weaponry wise, don’t feel right. I also feel like the mechs go down a little too quick and I wish mechs had like, twice as much structure so they could last longer and spend more of their time being damaged but still moving along.

"Detroit is full of crackheads" just casually dropping that in like its just another Tuesday lol

The decision to run the kill team games with one box is insane, man! What were they thinking? There is like 3 teams that are even fully playable that way! And it is true that not managing cp and faction secondaries is playing half the game! I guess KT is not a game to try at a con, its way too layered (which I like but I understand people that don't)

Due to the position limits you pretty much never need more than 16 models for a full BB team. You get the max amount of each position player and then enough linemen to hit 16 for the vast majority of teams that is more than enough.

the cool part of that carboard folding and building towers is that it's a charity event... on Sunday people throw coins to knock stuff down then those coins go to a charity!

This video single handedly (or almost single handedly, since I saw some very good proxies for sale the other day) convinced me to try Bloodbowl, and probably Warcry as well.

We got our WarCry talk! With every new episode we get closer and closer to AoS specific one Edit: Also don’t throw shade at my golden pals and gals! Stormcast are actual characters unlike the space marine and they look cool in my opinion that it (for looks tho, they are actually entertaining to read books about)

@FishHookEXE

11 ай бұрын

Genuinely don't understand why so many people STILL hate the Stormcast - I could understand it half a decade ago when they first showed up and from the perspective of entrenched WFB players, but now it just feels like a meme to dunk on them.

@gnoblin2528

11 ай бұрын

@@FishHookEXE the answer is actually really simple, first people love holding grudges second job one reads books

Blood Bowl is the Game that got Me into GW stuff. I Love the game! glad you played it!

Already listened on patreon but gotta listen again on youtube to support the content

I run a local game club when I have a variety of players from 7 years-old to over 50 year old veterans remebering the first editions of wfb and wh40k. I like to introduce new players first to the Warcry(1st edition) - it was super simple, affordable and the minis are awesome. Right now my intro game of chioce is the Argatoria, which is growing in club eating other games quite fast. Right know we support Argatoria, Kill Team - but it is hard to learn due to this crazy cover system, wh40k 4th edition and wh40k 10th edition. The last one seems to be actually a good one for the newbies - to my suprise it is easier than the Kill Team.

Did they not have Warhammer Underworlds? It is a fun system.

I went to gencon too, biggest cosplay that I saw was someone was dressed up a saron, but that was the most elaborate one I saw

GWs objective markers were $55 a pack.

It was nice hearing you talk about some other games for once. I personally tend to play a lot of skirmish stuff, for a variety of reasons. Not bloodbowl, sadly, since I don't own any models. But plenty of Warcry vs Kill Team. I don't know if I would call Warcry the best game GW ever made, but it is a pretty good candidate for the most fun. I tend to have a blast whenever I play it. Basically never leave a match feeling annoyed or disappointed. This is despite, or perhaps because of, how non competitive the game tends to be. Both insofar that the balance is kind of wack, but also that most of the games I've had tend to be pretty luck based. It probably helps that the games tend to be pretty short on average, so there isn't much of a investment. Which brings me to Kill Team. Honestly, I would probably argue this is the best game system GW ever made. At the very least I would say It's probably the game with the best balance between competitive and casual, with the added caveat that it is probably a bit too long. I personally don't mind games taking 3 hours on average, but I can see it being a pretty big dealbreaker for many. Especially now that Combat Patrol is a thing, which has way shorter games. Still really like the actual gameplay, to the point that I kind of wish some of the mechanics would make it into normal 40K.

I agree with you so much on the Warcry vs Killteam thing and it feels so good to finally hear that from someone else too, especially considering the one friend I have who's into skirmish swears by killteam and doesn't really do warcry. Luckily he'll watch this and give it a chance

Three points about Bloodbowl: • "The Seraphon are probably as old as the game." Those models exist, but GW has released updated models for the teams since they brought the game back. •"It's based on The Old World..." Technically no! It's an alternate history version of The Old World where • There is also Blitz Bowl that uses only half a team box and has you trying to complete random objectives from a set of cards instead of the full version. It's a lot of fun if you have less time.

Blood bowl is great. A bunch of places make the dice as well for it. Also they don't pretend Blood bowl will ever be balanced and there are just teams that are worse/harder to play. The latest edition telling you what "tier" a team is, is honestly pretty accurate but thats more on the "how easy is it to play this team"

As someone who got into main 40k through specifically the imperium/guard kill teams, it’s been one of the best ways to play a ton of different styles, for example the way I got into 40k was by buying a knight, 2 basilisks and an, HQ, boom super fluffy list with like 3-4 factions

@Aconspiracyofravens1

10 ай бұрын

Huh? Could you please elaborate?

Brad and Eric -- I loved loved loved your finance/budget related warhammer videos. It really amplified the 'Poorhammer' name. Any plans to do more of that kind of content?

@thepoorhammerpodcast

11 ай бұрын

Next week's episode should be in that style, stay tuned.

Thank you for another great episode of your podcast!

all of those GW exclusives were sold at LVO this year too - they were most definitely made for 9th & we were told they "weren't to be sold anywhere else" looks like they lied! what a surprise! (the whole kill team thing & the oversized game were also at LVO)

Shout out to the couple of tech priests and also the very awesome Goff rockers that were in the cosplay parade! And also the social cantina, which just low key had some bomb queso and cocktails and was my getaway from con overload a few times (and also very tall FFXIV viera white mage, you were my favorite i hope you follow Poorhammer)

20:24 Those are the best! I highly recommend literally any NON candy themed flavor though.

Further clarification on the "1 box is not 1 kill team" issue: That is how it works out for the kits made for 40k. The specific boxes made for Kill Team are 1 team 1 box. For example: 10 cadians is not enough to play guardsman (guard index), but it is enough models to play your choice of vet guard (made for killteam), Kasrkin (made for killteam), or scions (guard index). Also, intercessors don't have a made for killteam box, they released their post index update as a digital pdf since everyone likely has a couple intercessors laying around somewhere. So your GW employee was shot in the foot at least twice more.

As someone who lives in indianapolis, its useually busy during the weekdays, since downtown is usually used for business.😊 hope you enjoyed the city.

Shout out to Mountainside Tabletop, aw yeah. Best Kill Team content on KZread.

I played my first game of Kill Team yesterday with my brother. We didn’t play with the TacOps (secondary objectives) but pretty much had everything else in the game. It’s definitely…obtuse, but once we kinda figured things out, it was a blast. I think it’s got its issues but I’m glad it exists still and I can’t wait for the next iteration of the game. Hoping they iron things out because I enjoyed so much more than I thought I would and that was in spite of it being kinda clunky. Makes me want to try Warcry now, especially after hearing y’all talk about it.

As an Indianapolis local, you avoid the downtown core during major conventions if you can. Plus, the state fair was going on at the same time. Last time I went to GenCon was pre-covid, so I imagine it is still recovering. Add in that downtown Indy has grasped on to 'eventification' with both hands and its definitely going to feel different than when I used to go. Sunday for GenCon is 'family day'. There used to be a ton of side events in the hotels connected to the convention center that went all hours, but I can't do that anymore so I haven't been following if they still exist.

Mountainside Tabletop shout-out! Nice!

I like that my biggest take away is that Johnny Noodle King is fire. My favorite place to go when im in town

The opening is a perfect description of Indianapolis.

for warcry chaos legionnaires (yes GW has legionaries and legionnaires) are also slaves to darkness, belakor is kinda a subfaction in it. also the other blood bowl type game is most likely guildball

I'm very glad you liked Warcry a lot. I noticed there's a two player box set being sold now with like, humans and vampire (the Crypt of Blood), and I love the aesthetic of both sides so much, so I'm thinking of getting that box set at the very least as just an "assemble all this and keep it in the box, it's now a two player board game I can pull out whenever I want" thing, and then if I do want to get into Warcry I imagine I can go in two different directions that I like the look of both of. That said, there are QUITE a few AOS armies I'm really interested in, sooooo maybe I'll get lured in. I get two varieties of my precious dwarves and I really can't decide which ones I should go with... It is unfortunate that you guys don't like Kill Team. I have not played it, but I've always looked at it as a fun idea, but with the recent rules revamps it really seems like they're trying to make it its own thing completely separate from 40K (which, of course, means releasing new boxes of minis specifically for Kill Team that you should REALLY buy instead of using your old models like you used to...) There's definitely some Kill Teams I like the look of, and I like that there's a bit more of the Inquisition and Imperium you can actually play (given that Imperial Agents aren't their own full army in 40K), but yeah it seems like it's become way too much of a weird maverick when previously it was just like a very zoomed in shot of a 40K moment. Also, once again, Eric and I are just completely different people, because he was like "I opened a team of barbarian dudes, like Conan-lookin' motherfuckers" and I was immediately pumping my fist like "Yeah, let's go! Martial pride, I love my muscle boys, let's go tough warrior guys!" and he's just sneering like "nyehhh this is so boring i hate this" and I'm like, oh yeah, Eric is a nerd and doesn't like cool guys, he only plays armies full of dorks who work out "at the library", myehhh. (jk love you eric)

That video and the new skaven box motivated to try to lean kill team. yes yes !

Quick shout out and a RIP to Nicky for getting skipped. You deserve a double shoutout next time.

Poor Nicky not getting a shoutout 😂 53:13

Confused about the criticism of the Blood Bowl minis. The miniatures are very high quality. Most of the newer teams are plastic kits that are on par with the newer stuff for 40k and AoS. The Lizardmen team was actually updated in 2019. Maybe some of the confusion stems from the fact that the High Elf team still has not been updated, and was only ever released in metal? If you weren't playing with metal models, they were either a third-party High Elf team, or you were actually playing with the Elven Union team--very high-quality plastics released in 2017.

Yay 1hr 8min of happiness for me!

On the legion terrain most of it is custom built amg has some terrian previously designed but the terrain you see is all from the community which is part of legions charm.

If you like some ramen, big recommend of Not Just Noodle in Madison Heights, one of the better noodle places in Metro Detroit area. I think it stacks up against Johnny Noodle King well.

The Kill Team comments are interesting. I picked it up around the same time as Leviathan - just getting into the game - partly because it appears self-contained (Into the Dark boxset) and because I liked the idea of the Navy Breachers. Only watched one game of Mountainside Tabletop so far, but I have slowly started reading the manual and I can definitely notice the difference from base 40K. Of course, looking at Into the Dark, I had assumed initially that they were all "interior" missions - hence smaller units, no oversize, no flying, etc. It'll probably be a while before I can get mine assembled and play with a local guy. Based on the Mountainside vids, I definitely didn't get the impression that the games would last that long though.

Vallejo doesn't need to market their product. It's just that good.

i think its fair to say Bloodbowl indirectly got me into 40k, years and years ago i saw a bunch of youtubers play the video game bloodbowl league and i thought it looked really fun so i picked it up and invested so many hours into it, i loved lizardmen, pro elves, and chaos dwarfs. so had a favourite runny team, passy team and bashy team

For the star wars legion terrain, there are no actual terrain kits other then a crashed at-st, the bunker from endor

Seeing the huge crowd of people waiting in line for the disney game all on their phone is dystopian af.

18:50 Legion terrain isn't that bad! Very iconic too!

Brad's outlook on Skirmish games is interesting. Kill Team is XCOM in a Warhammer setting, plain and simple. It got rid of IGOUGO, point based list building, and squads. The new Kill Team is indeed not trying to be Warhammer 40.000, let alone Warhammer 40.000 Lite. It's a game which allows you to access a game with a decent amount of depth and complexity without having to pay for and move around 50 models, and there's a target audience for exactly that. Plus, if I wanted 40k in quick and simple, I'd play OPR, I think.

Yay! POORHAMMER uploaded!

Lorcana was a menace. Somehow every single place we went all weekend, that friggin line was in the way.

I would argue that GW's best "other game" (currently in print, anyway) is Adeptus Titanicus. You do have to be interested in the very specific theme of titans shooting and pinching each other, of course. By laser focusing on a very specific theme, they really manage to sell it

noteing on the gw objective markers, i went to warhammerfest this year and nothing fromt he gw store had prices marked, including smaller forgeworld boxes which are actually really expensive. the objective markers were £40 a bag and the amount of people at the tills who were shocked the price was immense along with parents. and with a queue for the tills could get pretty long, with a 45 minutes wait on the first day most people just payed it. never get gw objective markers, those be expensive af.

So as someone who lives in Indianapolis. The reason downtown was empty is because there's basically no residential buildings down there.

I'd love to play 40k on a massive 20ft+ board. And no, probably not going to find a LGS that can do it *but* GW stores at malls? The one that used to be at the big suburban mall in [Buffalo NY] used to have convention scale tournaments/events before Buffalo had any cons so I could see GW stores in buildings that also host conventions getting the space in off-months to do it

City BBQ and Yatz are two great restaurants in Indy

I haven't played blood bowl, but I have played blitz bowl which is basically a smaller version of blood bowl but as a boardgame and it was pretty fun. I don't know if they're still making them cause I got a used copy from half priced books, but if you haven't played bloodbowl and want a cheaper way to learn how to play you might want to check it out

I love how the intro is just "foreign music" in Closed caption

I think you missed cosplayers based on where you were. The exhibit hall is horrendous to get through with anything more elaborate than street clothes. Saturday actually had a parade go through - I was playing the Fallout miniature skirmish game when it came through.

My family used to go to gencon back in the 2010s . It was a good bit smaller back then and it had a good amount of cosplay back then. It was always based around board gaming and other types of games but cosplay was a good chunk you would see. Now that gencon has grown so much I stopped going since getting a badge is hard to get. I’m always surprised so many warhammer accounts I follow went to gencon and a part of me is happy it’s grown, but I’ll probably stay away because it’s just become far too crowded and I hate crowds.

Blood Bowl is a heck of a game, it's far better to play competitively than 40K since there's a lot less ambiguity in the rules. It's great to play over a league. As a Magic player, I find playing my team similar to learning and upgrading a deck.

I'm a bit confused by the statement that Kill Team requires multiple boxes. That might be the case for compendium teams, but all of the standalone Kill Teams can be ran with one box. If you're playing in a tournament it can be beneficial to pick up a second box for some teams, but it's not at all necessary for most people.

As a long time Blood Bowl player, that segment amused me. Skaven are one of the strongest 'Scoring' Reams. High Elves are terrible as they don't do anything well other then be Expensive and have the highest armor for a high agility team. Haven't read the most recent version, but minimum was 11 for Team, with max of 16. That's why there was always a D16 for Kick off events that need to hit a random player, and end of game MVP point for long running leagues. Most Teams got a redo of models the last 4-5 years. Try playing for 15+ years with models from Mid/late 90s instead. I made most of mine kit-bashing Warhammer kits.

I’m glad I watched this. Was honestly thinking of getting into Killteam first since it’d be cheaper and easier to explore factions, among other things. I can’t even begin to imagine buying a KT box for the faction you want and it not be playable, that’s crazy to me. Gotta ask, after reading into boarding action is it axed? Or is there actually a chance of it coming back?

As one of 6 kill team players, I can definitely understand your argument that it’s too complex for a skirmish game (because it kind of is) however, I think you definitely missed out on the full game experience through not playing with ploys or cp. playing with just base stat lines means that elite teams like the intercessors are basically always going to win, and entirely removes the flavour of each team. learning a team’s rules and eccentricities and then being able to put them into practice is what makes the game so fun for me. Setting up combos and learning when to use which ability to it’s maximum potential really makes you feel like you’re piloting whichever faction you’re playing, and makes for a very thematic and often cinematic experience. also, if you and your opponent both know the rules then games shouldn’t really take much longer than an hour or an hour and a half imo.

Interesting thoughts as always gentlemen. I think it is a shame that you couldn't talk about Necromunda and the middle earth game.

40k and Kill Team player here - they are just different games, both enjoyable. The terrain for kill team being a set and the teams being 1 box (unless you want more fancy options) is a massive benefit, I have 3 kill teams (one of which is necrons and I have 20 models) whereas I have 1 40k army. I’d be interested in 40k and kill team being more similar (just to have a more similar set of rules in my head would be a big benefit).

Bloodbowl halftime shows are legitimately a thing. Lots of third party companies make matching cheerleaders to go with a team, and games workshop made some in the distant past. The many-breasted skaven cheerleaders being a particularly disturbing example.

What are those models displayed at 34:22 . Damn I want them.

"Was Vallejo there? The John Vallejo?"

If you would like another Japanese convention with a lot of cosplay there is one in Pittsburgh here called tekko.

Blood Bowl is its own product lime, and most of the models are 2016 or newer and look at least okay to great. Only need a single box for some teams to have everything. Two max.

is that a new kill team range yall showed on 34:20?

Hoping next season of Kill Team dials things back.

hey guys, fun episode. just fyi you skipped one of you patron in the shout out. it was Nicky between Michael Melcher and orthodox monks.

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Nicky joined after the recording but before the video edit, hence the difference. Great looking out though, don't be shy to point that out when you see it!

The Cadians you got are actually a different team than the one that has 14 models (krieg) so if you used the krieg rules yeah you got screwed. Also, while I agree with you on some aspects of kill team like it not being a starting point for people getting into 40k, the terrible shape measurements, and I imagine it was largely line of sight rules that you had issues with. However, I’ve found it to be the most tactically interesting and competitively viable game that GW makes and it has been my favorite GW game since its second edition. Once you know the rules well it also doesn’t take as long as 40k and is a good way for people to be able to play a great game with really cool models without breaking the bank and being locked into 1-2 armies.