Imagine your space-based anti-debris laser gets hit by space debris.

@toolbaggers

2 ай бұрын

"debris" actually means enemy satellites and missiles.

@CMT_Crabbles

2 ай бұрын

@@toolbaggersno. It means space trash.

@axeivy

2 ай бұрын

@@toolbaggers Enemy? Bro, it's both the works of our allies too. Stop being so shallow minded. Had both our allies' and enemies' grandparents and their grandparents thought this through and not chase for space superiority, this conversation wouldn't've existed.

@lachlanchester8142

2 ай бұрын

@@toolbaggersbro forgot about SALT 1 and 2

@irvinclemente2368

2 ай бұрын

you wouldn't go to war with space debris without an armor 😉

"before its too late". The bane of human existence

@JaehaerysTheConciliator

2 ай бұрын

“A thing isn’t beautiful or tragic because it lasts, that’s only the case when it is destined to be extinct.” - Nabhan Mehrab Ali

@zenmkultra

2 ай бұрын

​@@JaehaerysTheConciliatorcringe

@John-jr5hj

Ай бұрын

Prayer With You: Heavenly Father, Your Son Jesus Christ, born crucified resurrected For us ,Family ,Friends. Forgive Our Sins Give Us Eternal Life. In Jesus Christ's name.Amen

@Floo_254

Ай бұрын

Fr

@benjaminkitaura498

20 күн бұрын

Space trash is the true cause of climate catastrophe! Where’s Greta and all her zombies?

Imagine us being able to address an existential issue before it became an issue 😵‍💫

@jayjya

2 ай бұрын

Don’t tell me what to do

@weekiely1233

2 ай бұрын

That’s literally what’s happening.

@geogao6867

2 ай бұрын

@@jayjya😊

@blip-hn6is

2 ай бұрын

what if we used nukes?

@weekiely1233

2 ай бұрын

@@blip-hn6is wouldn’t fix it. Would make it worse Nuke would cause an emp that would knock out most satellites (see operation fishbowl for an example) and would shred satellites too close causing more debris directly

It’s ironic they say the sweeper is to expensive but don’t ever acknowledge the unthinkable costs that will be incurred when we lose most or all GPS and global communications satellites.

@chrisoconnell8432

2 ай бұрын

This video was talking about things in low earth orbit. GPS and most communications satellites are in mid to high/Geostationary orbit. There's more space and less debris in those orbits so its less of a concern.

@rolfs2165

2 ай бұрын

@@chrisoconnell8432 But when low Earth orbit is so polluted that you can't get through any more, you can't replace broken satellites in higher orbits. _That_ is going to be our biggest problem with all that space debris, at some point it stops us from leaving the planet.

@Huebz

2 ай бұрын

@@rolfs2165 exactly. It won’t be immediate but we won’t be able to replace or repair. Plus after a collision event, the debris isn’t all stuck in L.E.O.

@chrisoconnell8432

2 ай бұрын

@@rolfs2165 Well yeah, thats why they're working on reducing space junk. There won't be a moment where we go from being able to access space to unable to access it. As space junk gets worse there will be smaller and smaller windows where we can access space. So when they say its "too expensive", they really mean its not urgent enough. Everyone is well aware of the importance of GPS and comm sats.

Everytime your mum tells you to put the trash in the bin, make sure to throw it into space

@satyasankalpapanigrahi9416

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 how it would fly up into to the empty desserted of lone space vacuum.

@toolbaggers

2 ай бұрын

Mum traditionally threw everything into the 'space' known as the ocean.

I cant imagine Wall-E visually predict how vast the space debris are

@weekiely1233

2 ай бұрын

Those renders aren’t accurate

@micahbush5397

2 ай бұрын

​@@weekiely1233Well, they had to make the debris recognizable.

@asasial1977

2 ай бұрын

This is Gordon Shumway's job

That's too risky. I highly recommend picking up them one by one with hands.

@agustdofficial8945

2 ай бұрын

The gov should provide trash can and cleaning service on space.

@user-tv2is5hs5h

2 ай бұрын

Don’t let a Sergeant Major hear you. They’ll have a whole detail of new Privates out there by 0830.

@pakxenon

2 ай бұрын

This guy has watched Planetes.

@L154N4LG4IB

2 ай бұрын

@@pakxenonI just finished the first episode a few minutes ago lol

@rebornvirgin

2 ай бұрын

ez work for us viltrumites

Kudos to Vox for consistently using metric units.

@williamwade2674

2 ай бұрын

yeah great way to alienate the majority of their audience

@Aeroleaves

2 ай бұрын

guess what NASA and SpaceX uses? @@williamwade2674

@BoB-gt4xt

2 ай бұрын

​@@williamwade2674just adapt to the better system 🤦🏿‍♂️😂

@williamwade2674

2 ай бұрын

@@BoB-gt4xt it’s not that simple bro even if i adapt all the roadways signs and other stuff are still in customary so i’d have to convert everything so it’s really unrealistic unless the government is will to standardize the metric system

@tPlayerioT

2 ай бұрын

​@@williamwade2674yeah what do you use? feet?

Humans are... dirtballs; even in space. 😂😂😂

@Digitron001

2 ай бұрын

Oh my, I totally agree.

@weekiely1233

2 ай бұрын

This is different

@toolbaggers

2 ай бұрын

@@weekiely1233 Hitler, Stalin, different or basically the same?

@direktive4

2 ай бұрын

so's the earth?

@sailingadventurer

2 ай бұрын

I can't wait to find plastics in mars

There was a paper quite recently that looked at the electromagnetic impact of conductive spacecraft junk in our orbit, the findings make the tungsten dust idea sound like a planned extinction event.

@LabGecko

2 ай бұрын

_"We don't know who struck first, us or them. But we do know it was us that scorched the sky."_

@user-tv2is5hs5h

2 ай бұрын

@@LabGeckobeat me to it. Good job.

@tungsten2009

2 ай бұрын

what's it from? @@LabGecko

@LabGecko

2 ай бұрын

@@tungsten2009 _The Matrix_

@tungsten2009

2 ай бұрын

cool. downloads the information straight to my brain@@LabGecko

You know we have a serious problem with trash/waste management when even in space- it is abundent.

@weekiely1233

2 ай бұрын

It’s not that abundant. Renders are often not accurate to scale. It’s more of a future risk Plus most is old, Chinese or Russian.

@toolbaggers

2 ай бұрын

Anti-satellite and anti-ballistic missile systems under the guise of 'cleaning up space.' Ronald Reagan would be proud of this Star Wars laser system.

Oh sure, we can have laserbeams in space but when will I get my sharks with frigging laser beams attached to their heads!? 😤

This is so weird. I literally had a dream about this exact concept last night, and here we are: a video about it this morning.

@halluminium

2 ай бұрын

Next time try dreaming about a cure for aging.

@jonathanl3941

2 ай бұрын

i want one for how to make sure a robot doesn't take my job or something

@Psycandy

2 ай бұрын

that's not weird. the day before, something happened which got you thinking about this, or maybe not but it otherwise was on your mind. your dreams are there to resolve issues, as it were, to practice for what might possibly come. it's also why dreams are so scant on details but the focus of dreams are premonitions, so you should expect events to follow dreams. of course, your mind sometimes gets it wrong, like badly, so as a precaution, wipes your memory and basically counts on deja vu

My cats would love this

Awesome, thanks a lot for bringing space lasers to people's attention! Really well-made video. I have been an avid supporter of space-based laser removal since 2018 and published a paper on its feasibility (small-scale debris removal using space-based lasers, by L.Pieters and R.Noomen). One small correction: at 6:18 you mention the space-based laser would have a more favourable angle wrt the debris object. While this is true, the orientation you show isn't the most favourable. You want to be hitting the debris objects as head-on as you can. This way you decrease the velocity, which makes the object de-orbit and burn up in the atmosphere the fastest. Let's hope this method gets realised in the near future.

@collindwebb

2 ай бұрын

Yes, shooting a laser to push an object towards earth would just change its orbit a little; it wouldn't help de-orbit any debris we need to worry about.

@tofferr

Ай бұрын

Ah, so the ground based one would also be most effective at a head on angle... but to achieve that it has to go through so much atmosphere. Any idea what the optimal angle is for ground based? Other considerations?

@LiamPieters1995

Ай бұрын

@@tofferr ground based lasers are less worried about the geometry, since they can’t change their orientation anyway. They are always going to follow the target flying overhead for the max amount of time. Indeed, an object close to the horizon has better geometry but the laser spot size increases drastically as it has to traverse almost 1500 km to reach an object at 600 km altitude. I believe somewhere around 45 degrees angle the two effects balance out and the effect is largest

@sprout8426

26 күн бұрын

i'm so glad i found this comment. I'm writing a report on this topic and was struggling to find material 😭😭 edit: I read your paper! and enjoyed it way too much. I'm just a college student so I doubt my comment would be of much value but I was invested the whole way through. What a well written paper!

Finally, a video on laser brooms. The concept of using nets to catch trash has always seemed ridiculous. A drop in the ocean. But a laser broom can be located in a single location and target orders of magnitude more pieces of debris than even a fleet of net satellites.

@blacksmith67

2 ай бұрын

A net or grasping arms would only be used for big objects, such as satellites that are a meter or more.

It's still mind-boggling to think that lasers were once considered "a solution in search of a problem" lol

One thing this video didn't show is the immense scale of space. In the graphics, it looks like the pieces of debris are nearly touching, while in reality it would be like a couple of thousands of rubber duckies in the Atlantic Ocean.

@toolbaggers

2 ай бұрын

this video is pure science fiction

@LabGecko

2 ай бұрын

And that's how we're trying to keep it - rubber duckies in an ocean instead of a swimming pool full of marbles.

@EpicMiniMeatwad

2 ай бұрын

@@toolbaggers Yeah... "Tungsten dust will weigh it down in space"? Okay, sure, whatever. Why don't we just throw our trash into the sun while we're at it?

@lenarianmelon4634

2 ай бұрын

Yeah except the rubber duckies are moving around at 11 km/s

@lenarianmelon4634

2 ай бұрын

​@@EpicMiniMeatwadbro focused on an aspect of the video that the video itself disproved the possibility of.

Is creating a Space Roomba is still too difficult to do?

@weekiely1233

2 ай бұрын

Yes

@Ensensu2

2 ай бұрын

Space-Plow

@nickp.4995

2 ай бұрын

It got stuck and its just spinning in circles on the test run

@jeffbenton6183

2 ай бұрын

How exactly is a vacuum cleaner supposed to work in the vacuum of space? (Sidenote: just responding to the inevitable in advance, - yes, I know it's a joke, I'm just a buzzkill).

@endrankluvsda4loko172

2 ай бұрын

Space fly paper

Lasers in space 👍 Count me in 😂

@Artyomi

2 ай бұрын

Make sure you make them Jewish, then the whole right wing will go nuts, courtesy of MTG.

Thank you for this very instructive video. It is definetely an issue that shoul be dealt be ASAP !!

@weekiely1233

2 ай бұрын

It is

I'm confident that the increased interest in this technology isn't solely due to concerns about space debris. It also holds potential as a secondary application for disabling enemy satellites.

If you use laser ablation at the correct times it's possible to decelerate objects in orbit, the issue is that it can only be used for short periods, tracking targets and aiming with precision can be difficult. Unless the light is wider on one of the axes, making it easier to hit a target but could hit other objects that are close by.

There's a Manga+Anime about this topic - Planetes.

You're saying we could use a Gundam, right? Amuro ikimasu!

Does the tungsten dust cloud itself necessarily need to be in a stable orbit? It could be put on a suborbital trajectory or even an orbit with a very low perigee, do some sweeping over the short term, then re-enter quickly. Launching it westward instead of eastward would maximize the relative velocity when the particles do impact something, since nearly all satellites go east.

How about using a mirror? A laser from the ground and a mirror in space. I don't know if it would reduce the intensity of the laser.

@toolbaggers

2 ай бұрын

it would. have you ever seen any laser used in real world scenarios? this is pure science fiction

@myrlyn1250

2 ай бұрын

@@toolbaggers I own a handheld 5 watt laser (that I bought on Amazon) that will set wood on fire from 5 meters away. It would probably work a lot better aimed by a computer and in the near vacuum of space. It also burns paint off of metal, which would give thrust to the object. physics is cool! ;)

@LabGecko

2 ай бұрын

​@toolbaggers ​said _"have you ever seen any laser used in real world scenarios"_ Look up StyroPyro's laser build _"StyroPyro long-range LASER turret in my yard" using an off-the-shelf 2 Kw laser he modded. It could easily burn things at 220m, and if you look at the 30 min mark he explains the projected max range. And he did this on a homemade focuser using PVC on a shaky tower. Or check CNet's vid _Real Laser Weapons Used by the US Military_ on the US Navy's 30Kw laser system. _"Anyone who could play XBox or PS4 games could use the [LaWS]"._ And that was in use in 2014. Much more powerful ones are in use now. We can afford those on military vehicles all over the world, but no, taking out space trash is too much work.

Scientists must look for garbage in other planets if they want to look for human life in other planet 😂

There's something poetic about humans creating so much trash in space, that we get completely trapped in an orbiting trash bubble on our trash filled planet.

Interesting; FYI almost all communication satellites are in Geosynchronous Orbit (26K miles above the earth), not Low-Earth Orbits. GPS is in a Walker Constellation around 12k miles up.

The issue with these system is that they can easily be used as a weapon (or be considered as such by other nations). Plus, what is actual debris and what is a stealth satellite masquerading as it might also become a problem.

I don't see why the US Space Force isn't already doing this. Not only is space debris a matter of national security, but why wouldn't they want a space-based laser in orbit, just in case?

@Someone-sq8im

2 ай бұрын

Atmosphere will make the space laser ineffective at ground based targets

@kentslocum

2 ай бұрын

@@Someone-sq8im World militaries already have ICBMs and cruise missiles for hitting terrestrial targets. Space-based laser systems are for redirecting space debris and disabling enemy satellites.

@Someone-sq8im

2 ай бұрын

@@kentslocum ah, that does make some sense.

Is there any research done on what the residue gases of burnt up space debris does to the atmosphere?

is future perfect a new playlist, it will be dope

I’m doing some policy research on space debris right now. All of these new technologies are really neat, but they’re so unproven right now and still in the early stages of development. The real problem going forward is space debris prevention-lessening the rapid creation of debris, as opposed to taking care of existing debris. The FAA has an excellent proposed rule working its way through the bureaucratic chain that would require commercial operators to dispose of their rocket bodies. Rocket bodies make up 95% of the mass of all space debris, and are by far the largest and heaviest pieces of trash in orbit (which makes them the most likely to collide with things and fragment). We need to first stop commercial companies from leaving their junk in space before we start implementing costly tech to deal with existing space debris.

@weekiely1233

2 ай бұрын

Commercial launch providers don’t leave spent stages. SpaceX, ULA, rocket lab etc all de orbit their spent stages or place them into graveyard orbits. Most spent stages are from decades old missions from the U.S. and Russia in the Cold War

Timestamped Highlights 00:21 🌍 Humans are filling up space with trash, increasing the risk of collisions. 01:45 🛰 Space agencies and companies are working on solutions, including lasers. 03:11 💥 Collisions and fragmentation can lead to an uncontrollable cascade effect. 04:47 🛠 Different approaches are needed to remove different sizes of space debris. 07:05 🔭 Lasers can be used to nudge small debris and disrupt their orbit. 09:34 💰 Cost and international laws are obstacles in implementing laser systems. 11:00 🌐 International cooperation and mitigation efforts are crucial in solving the space debris problem. Summarized by @NoteGPT

The conclusion makes sense, boring decommission rules are probably the best way forward, instead of exciting laser tech.

@chrisoconnell8432

2 ай бұрын

The boring decommission rules are to prevent the issue from getting worse, but we still need lasers to clean up the mess we've already made.

@rizizum

2 ай бұрын

There's stil gonna be debris, not matter how much we try to regulate it. Regulating only decreases the amount

@chrisoconnell8432

2 ай бұрын

@@rizizum True, but debris in low earth orbit falls back down eventually. So luckily we don't need to be perfect, just keep it from getting out of control.

man, videos like this make me appreciate VORs....

"we can still fix it before it's too late" - where did i hear this before?

So the laser is like a mini Death Star super laser, but directed towards space instead of a planet.

Looks like Wall-E's lesson didn't work

the fact a idea interesting enough is simple not possible because its expensive.

Thanks for this good news

I thought the atmosphere attenuated the power of lasers too much to be used within the atmosphere, so ground based laser brooms may not work.

Like the Death Star? Not even a big Star Wars fan but pretty easy to see this one

Fund your space laser concept by selling collision insurance to satellite owners.

Very informative

i love your videos.bro ❤

8:10 Where there's a will there's a way. ❤

I see my idea for a bunch of Wall-E's equipped with jetpacks deployed into LEO wasn't considered...

Using a laser would create smaller but deadly debris, You need to de-orbit the trash to burn up

a big step forward would be moving towards full reusability/full de-orbit of all discarded hardware. single stage to orbit craft, or craft with fully reusable first and second stages, would flesh the idea out well. SpaceX has already commercialized the first half of that objective, and is actively pursuing the second.

Space is important too

This is what they call wishful thinking, we can't even clean the litter off the ground we walk on to work every day.

Id love this job. Ive been practicing since i was a kid 🎉🎉🎉

On the other hand if we give the debris enough time we will get a second moon made of metal 😂

Anyone here remember 1980s Zenith Star - Pentagon's Star Wars project to knock out Soviet ballistic missiles. Basically the same idea - lasers knocking out some stuff in space. Probably it's still stored in some USAF storehouse ...

@toolbaggers

2 ай бұрын

I think you mean storehouse = in orbit

NASA will sometimes just approach a problem by saying "alright folks, what's the coolest possible solution to this issue?"

Over time the low Earth orbit space junk deorbits by itself. At 400 km altitude, it'll naturally decay in under five years, however at orbital altitudes beyond 500 km, there is no guarantee the spacecraft will deorbit within that timeframe and some may have trouble deorbiting in under 25 years.

"Let's dump heavy dust into our atmosphere! That won't backfire."

When I was younger about in 1999 me, my brother and friend saw debris on fire in the sky. It was from far away but it must have been a lot or big because it covered a large part of the sky with fire. We thought it was a plane exploading in the air. It almost seemed like the fire was just floating there because as we were watching it for a while it never seemed to go further down. For the next few days we heard absolutely nothing on the news. Later in life I was with an ex driving down the highway and seen the same fire in the sky but this time it was smaller. Again it looked like it was just stationary in the air over the 30min I watched it. That also never made the news.

@weekiely1233

2 ай бұрын

That sounds more like a planes landing lights than debris. Either that or you’re embellishing it Spacecraft move fast. It would never appear stationary or last 30 minutes

very interesting thank you

A system of space mirrors with boosters to guide its angle/trajectory in middle earth orbit would allow ground lasers with a renewable/constant power supply to bounce its beam at an X angle to hit the debris in lower earth orbit downward toward the atmosphere so it can burn up. The solution is always lasers, magnets and mirrors.

Excellent!

This reminds me of 'Helping Hand' from 'Love Death and Robots' (iykyk)

the whole point of nano satellites is to be infuriatingly difficult to eradicate but if they collide in sufficient numbers, will eventually make a pretty sparkly ring around the planet. Tossing anything into orbit can only help.

ooooh, MTG will have a debris-field day with these space lasers...

Kessler Syndrome keeps me up at night. It's so beyond scary.

@weekiely1233

2 ай бұрын

It’s not a threat atm. You also shouldn’t be worried. It’s very overblown and sensationalised by the media

Just in time for the near future too, as major powers are developing more anti-satellite capabilities (ie, those lasers which are so useful for blinding spy satellites).

Our solution will probably come from a combination of miniaturized drones equip with lasers launched from high altitudes like space-ballons. Easy to build, lower cost and no problem with decommissioning.

Will this not heat up the atmosphere?

What if we a lazer from the ground to a special satelight that will redirect it to the junk satelight thus sending it towards the atmophere.

the funny part about all this is that all that debris might eventually collide enough to start formation of a new smaller moon. chances are low given how close it all is, but not 0.

i literally talked about this years ago

0:35 is that sound from a PUBG nade? Looks eerily similar

Hopefully, all the countries and enemies can work together to create these machines and collectively remove the junk.

I think about things like this. A satellite that targets and ionises small particles to then attract them with electrostatic forces - a nuclear-powered laser satellite that can knock satellites out of orbit or disintegrate small space debris into harmless sizes I read a paper about using lasers to target onto a satellite and increase its temperature, which somehow then increases its drag and causes it to deviate out of orbit until it falls back to earth. Problems: it's hard to target them from the earth, because you need to stay on target for a long time and you're trying to hit a penny with a pistol from 4 miles away - and it's hard to get the necessary power up into space.

@toolbaggers

2 ай бұрын

Anti-satellite and anti-ballistic missile systems under the guise of 'cleaning up space.' Ronald Reagan would be proud of this Star Wars laser system.

@Someone-sq8im

2 ай бұрын

@@toolbaggersstop copy pasting

@incognitotorpedo42

2 ай бұрын

If flecks of paint are dangerous, that makes the idea of "harmless sizes" sound hard to attain. Seems like you really want to de-orbit everything.

the worst thing about all of this is that we cant accurately track the objects in the lower earth orbit, not even the big ones, so we cant even tell if objects are going to hit, its more of a chance that they hit each other. i think thats a thing vox shouldve explained aswell

@toolbaggers

2 ай бұрын

Anti-satellite and anti-ballistic missile systems under the guise of 'cleaning up space.' Ronald Reagan would be proud of this Star Wars laser system.

@Tjalve70

2 ай бұрын

We can track them. But we can't track them with 100% accuracy. So we can conclude that a satellite has a risk of being hit by a certain trackable piece of debris. But we can't in advance be 100% certain whether it will hit or not.

what about ground based laser with a mirror on a satellite to guide the laser

One more problem to worry about 😢

I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said... "I drank what?"

6:05 Will this action be interpreted as a declaration of war due to unintended damage to U.A.P.'s caught in its sight?

When you fire a laser into space do you not tear a hole in the ozone? It's bad enough for rockets to be doing it and now you want to use a laser, from bad to worse if you really want to know.

I don't get the part with the lawers. Isn't that a typical draw situation: "Proof you shot US debris!" "No, you prove it was your debris!" Nobody will ever find out whatever you shot, nor can we probably. Or simpler: "Proof that we even hit stuff in the first place" I mean who's missing their space debris? Are there actually records not only that something is at that altitude going that direction and it's also coming from satellite XYZ?

And here I thought the video was about taking all of earth’s trash and sending it to space

If i had a nickel for every NASA related problem that was solved by a broom id have two nickels, which isnt a lot but odd it happened twice

wait, you're telling me that there are NO islands of plastic in our oceans???

What about upper earth orbit?

What a title!

This? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets too cold. This? This is Kent. This is what happens to people when they get too sexually frustrated.

Call the magnet fishing guy 😅

I think it would be helpful to explain what we stand to lose from the propagation of space junk.

It’s a sad testament to how much waste we can create when it potentially poses a risk of humanity never leaving the planets atmosphere again

Soon, we are gonna need a space clean-up.

Ok so what I'm hearing is this won't happen and probably isn't worth doing.

Wonder if future using a Space Magnet 🧲 to collect debris will be viable in the future for a repair port to fix damaged/broken space vehicles.

@asasial1977

2 ай бұрын

Magners only work on Ferous metals ie. Steel and iron

might be a simple question. but why isn't gravity pulling it in? or is it, and its just so slow that it doesn't work fast enough.

@The_Pollinator

2 ай бұрын

He mentioned how the majority of the debris is in low earth orbit which is between 160-2000km from earth. Debris above 1,000km can stay in orbit for centuries. So a lot of them will fall back to earth, but it will take a while.

@weekiely1233

2 ай бұрын

I suggest watching the everyday astronaut video on the difference between space and orbit

@rizizum

2 ай бұрын

I think you need to understand the basics of orbits first, there are plenty of videos on youtube you can watch to help you with that

Isn't there some thermodynamics at play here.... I can't imagine it just "goes away in the atmosphere"

@weekiely1233

2 ай бұрын

Wdym?

@rizizum

2 ай бұрын

It's just gonna get destroyed on reentry, what does thermodynamics have to do with this?

another error: the graph listed the ground-based laser as more expensive than space-based. you're battin' 1000 today, vox

if we could just negate the "cost" and just produce as a species infrastructure which could save us we'd be pretty capable of seeing change happen when it should.