Both of those fatal crashes are t-bone related. T-bone crashes on formula cars in general had a high fatality rate due to the shape of the nose structures that concentrated the impact into a small area. I remember many engineers said it’s virtually impossible to make the cars any safer from t-been crashes unless they change the fundamental design of the formula cars.

@tuna5618

11 ай бұрын

The reason why that area of track is known to cause so many t-bone incidents is because the characteristics of the runoff and wall bounce cars back onto the track. If there was more runoff, more friction, and a less bouncy wall then lives could be saved. Also formula 1 needs to be more cautious of driving in wet conditions.

@AB-mw8oz

11 ай бұрын

@@tuna5618 This didn't happen at Raidillon. It happened several hundred meters later on the Kemmel straight

@pabloquijadasalazar7507

11 ай бұрын

Then change the fundamental design of the formula cars. Do they have to look like mosquitoes forever?

@SiVlog1989

11 ай бұрын

In the case of Dilano's accident, there was also blinding spray that was a factor as well. He aquaplaned by himself, and the spray obscured the vision of those behind him, leaving them unsighted. I agree that making the side of the cars less vulnerable to T-bone incidents (like that for Anthoine and Dilano) is a starting point, but considering that Spa has a reputation for very wet weather, look no further than the non race that was the 2021 Belgian Grand Prix, work on the drainage needs to be carried out, partly for safety reasons, but also to allow racing to take place in the wet at Spa

@timtaylor-medhurst9665

11 ай бұрын

Agreed. Open wheeled racing is fundamentally lethal for so many reasons. Similar accidents happen in LMP, GT and touring cars and most walk away. Nothing wrong with the track, it's the cars.

DO NOT change SPA.

@Yvadha

11 ай бұрын

Just push off the wall and add more runoff areas.

@dienkonig33

11 ай бұрын

I'm sure people said that about the old Spa as well.

@shinanodafloof4491

11 ай бұрын

If it needs to be changed to ensure the safety of the drivers then I am all for it.

@Collin-to1oe

11 ай бұрын

Let me guess - you were also against the Halo?

@cheshirebowman4465

11 ай бұрын

Why are you reporting this. IT'S MOTORS RACING. Have you ever been to the isle of man races. You do gooders will make everything snow flake.

Martin Brundle: “If you’re not prepared to get injured or potentially die before you get in the car, you have no business being in one”

@user-sw2nh4ll7h

29 күн бұрын

He's the definition of the "OK boomer" meme.

@carstibarsti208

24 күн бұрын

@@user-sw2nh4ll7h you're calling him old. that's original. Martin drove cars at a time, where driver security was a realy annoying topic for the organizer. 20 years, before Martins time, a dead Driver per month was normal. Nobody liked it, but everybody wanted to drive. So everyone back then was a "boomer"? Or just stoopid? Or did they just accept, that car racing is dangerous? Every life matters, and the FIA tries to make it safe enough for everyone, and the safety evolves. But in the end, racedriver is a risky job.

@wlk2408

15 күн бұрын

The Isle of man TT and climbing Mount Everest should then be banned because many more people die at those two places.

@clarence-fw7wr

15 күн бұрын

@@user-sw2nh4ll7h NO, just bigger balls than yours,

@modelenginerding6996

14 күн бұрын

All races, flying, driving, shall be banned. All persons shall be relegated to VR headsets and collecting themselves on Monza, turn 1.

This was not because of Spa. It was because the race was green flagged when there was no visibility. There's numerous tracks that have similarly dangerous corners. This is the race director's fault, not Spa's.

@nerdock4747

10 ай бұрын

It's Rush all over again.

@willwillwill5624

10 ай бұрын

Was Huberts crash not in the dry?

@shaunlevin5081

10 ай бұрын

@@willwillwill5624 yeah it was. Doesn't mean we should ban Spa because of one incident. There are numerous tracks that are just as dangerous like Saudi. Both Zandvoort and Silverstone have had driver deaths in other championships. Doesn't mean we should ban those. Tracks like Monza and Le Mans have more driver deaths as well.

@willwillwill5624

10 ай бұрын

@@shaunlevin5081 I don't want to ban it. It's my favourite circuit.

@pinkharmonica7656

10 ай бұрын

​@shaunlevin5081 who said anything about banning it? He said change it. Can you comprehend that those are two différent words with différent meanings.

"Journalism" like this will cancel the whole sport.

@tuna5618

11 ай бұрын

Asking for safety is cancel culture now apparently. What's next? People will ask for safety in their homes?! Cancel culture has gone too far!

@piccoloatburgerking

11 ай бұрын

What?

@soundscape26

11 ай бұрын

It's an opinion piece, he's entitled to it.

@jamocleasby7780

11 ай бұрын

@@ActuallyAeroa human being died, doing something he loved and something that is inherently dangerous. Driving cars really fast is something only the few have the balls to do. The reason it takes balls is because the normal person doesn’t like the risk that comes with it. Comes with the territory

@user-se4cn2en9d

11 ай бұрын

@@ActuallyAeroracing cars is dangerous.

… It’s now 2052 and accelerating has been banned by the FIA

@Nobody-pl3rs

11 ай бұрын

Great idea! The cars will have one gear and the engine is just set to max rev. No need for all that dangerous braking either

@i_sekai

11 ай бұрын

@@Nobody-pl3rs actually no more corner that's too demanding for tires so it's only drag race now, f1 calendar can be at every country having highway. Also no more human loss they play in a sim and an exoskeleton take their place in the real cockpit.

@LoganHunter82

11 ай бұрын

Actually, the cars don't move anymore and the results are being decided with a coin toss

@jeepmanxj

11 ай бұрын

Wouldnt make f1 any less interesting. Id rather watch paint dry

@neddyseagoon9601

11 ай бұрын

And Lewis is still trying for number 8 ... But at his age even with good reflexes and eyesight, he's finding the latest pedal powered engines to be very uncompetitive against the Ferrari with the much younger Carlos Saints.

F1: “Cars must have extreme aerodynamics. The tracks must be safe enough so no one gets injured or the layout will be altered. Isle of Man TT: “Don’t die (optional)

@fergit0923ify

10 ай бұрын

That’s why the word “Man” is in the name. It’s for men. Not pampered f1 drivers

@SuperFormula1

10 ай бұрын

@@fergit0923ifythe reason it’s called the Isle of Man is because the location is called the Isle of Man not because it’s for men only

@qqoui

9 ай бұрын

@@SuperFormula1 I guess English is not your first language. It's for men doesn't mean it's men only, it is a saying. Traditionally you wouldn't put women in danger hence women and children first on life boats, men can tough it out.

@SuperFormula1

9 ай бұрын

@@qqoui I live and I was born in England. You’re probably in America what do you know it’s called Isle of Man 🇮🇲 because it’s in the Isle of Man 🇮🇲

@shadowgamer2587

9 ай бұрын

@@SuperFormula1I don’t think you get what he means.

"top tier motor racing should be slower" said no race driver ever

No way man, Spa should never change. It’s the FIA that should listen to drivers when they say it’s not safe to drive. Postpone if necessary otherwise but your video suggesting or demanding that spa is the problem is wrong.

@PPedroFernandes

11 ай бұрын

Of course Spa should change. Not the track itself, but eau rouge needs WAY more runoff. That wall just bounces car back onto the racing line

@TheEvanovitch

11 ай бұрын

​@@PPedroFernandesthats not the issue, dilano got hit at kemmel straight, not in eau rouge, pretty much all tracks have barriers close to the straights, so even with eau rouge removed completely this still could have happened. The focus should be on the cars being able to survive a t bone crash

@tobski1603

11 ай бұрын

@@PPedroFernandesthats not possible mate. There ist a mountain to the left and a valley to the right

@PPedroFernandes

11 ай бұрын

@@tobski1603 Yes, we totally don't have the technology to solve that problem. It's not like we move millions and millions and millions of tons of earth every single year, that would be absurd

@tobski1603

11 ай бұрын

@@PPedroFernandes yeah mate, that it’s technology possible is clear. But they just build a new grandstand right where the ranoff area would be. And all in all it is just way to expensive. The sport is dangerous because it is deadly to fly with 300kph through the world. It has to be dangerous at some point, otherwise the drivers would less care if they crash or not.

Um, what? The crash had nothing to do with Spa's layout, and was simply poor visibility caused by rain and walls next to straights. About half the tracks on the F1 calendar (including all street tracks) have this but worse. Yes, we should talk about track safety, but not when it wasn't actually at fault.

@tuna5618

11 ай бұрын

Not true, if the runoff was better then there would have been less chance of death. Steps need to be taken to make that track safer. Or are we gonna continue to act like the track is fine while young drivers keep dying?

@AB-mw8oz

11 ай бұрын

@@tuna5618 There is nothing wrong with the track. What caused the fatal accident was a mix of bad weather and feisty kids giving it all or nothing. It was a freak accident

@RBot21

11 ай бұрын

It's time to replace Spa

@Ariespradana13

11 ай бұрын

​@@AB-mw8ozput chicane in eau rogue, problem solved ✔️

@Barni2212

11 ай бұрын

@@Ariespradana13 Dumb. The accident't happened way after Eau Rogue. This would happen even with a chicane.

Dont change the SPA layout. if you fear to be racing driver you better change the carrier.

@JeremiahDoctsonFitness

11 ай бұрын

Oh but i guarantee you were attacking anyone who was against the Halo werent you 🤡

@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu

10 ай бұрын

easier for you to say from the comfort of your sofa.

@skema433

10 ай бұрын

@@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu easier to type word from your phone

@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu

10 ай бұрын

@@skema433 laptop but better luck next time

@skema433

10 ай бұрын

@@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu let me know if the spa circuit is changed. good luck

I'm truly appalled that expanding runoff areas have not even been talked about yet. It's an iconic section of track, no need to change it, but the bumpers that send cars back into a blind summit to meet other cars at high speed is unacceptable at this age of racing. Put in that money, redo the runoff areas, quit playing with racer's lives to save a quick buck.

@mortenfrosthansen84

10 ай бұрын

It happened way down the straight, so that argument is invalid. Please try again

@adysun

10 ай бұрын

@@mortenfrosthansen84 To clarify, the "bumpers that send cars back into a blind summit" is past the turns. They need to keep the walls from narrowing into Kemmel Straight.

@mortenfrosthansen84

10 ай бұрын

@@adysun doesn't really matter, when it's such conditions.. then it could happen anywhere. But I do see your point. Accidents can and will happen at any point of the circuit. And racing is dangerous.. it's not like anyone pointed a gun at him to drive

@robotnikkkk001

10 ай бұрын

=RUNOFF AREAS WERE WITH GRAVEL AND PREFECTLY DEALT WITH WHATEVER ............BUT LATER THEY VE BEEN PUT INTO ASPHALT FOR MAKE RADIION MORE FORGIVING..........BUT TOO MUCH ................SO,IF GRAVEL WOULD VE BEEN RETURNED,RADIION WILL BE SAFE AGAIN..........

@GrimDarkness1972

10 ай бұрын

Cancel car racing and all will be safer.. 😂

The crash happened in heavy rain. That is not the fault of the track. It IS the fault of race management. That race should have been stopped. End of argument.

@zeboz18

11 ай бұрын

I was there, the rain wasn't that hard at the time of the crash, eau rouge has always been eau rouge. Only think to change is run off area on the top right, and work on cars to reduce spray

@GonzoDonzo

11 ай бұрын

​@@zeboz18yeah i think that section of forest should be completely removed and extend that track out to meet back up with the straight. the part that really bugged me about this crash was how much time passed after the initial crash then the t-bone.

@chrissosa3723

11 ай бұрын

Didn't Antoine pass away on a dry track?

@bliksemridder7936

11 ай бұрын

​@@chrissosa3723he did but he already was in a crash and when the car hit his when it splitted apart had puncture so he couldnt steer in time to avoid his car.

@lazysum

11 ай бұрын

Simply change the racing calender .

he never even touched the barriers, he spun on track after contact with another car far upp the kemmel straight, it was after the kink. it was simmilar conditions to those in 2021 when the race was cancelled so my two questions are, why is the race trying to blame spa as a track? and why was the race not red flagged?

@quentineugenewatson9506

11 ай бұрын

Good questions ask which none can be answered. I'll do some research and see past 2014 if there was any F1 drivers who had died at Spa but to my knowledge I can't say. I know the cars were much faster then now. Btw still good questions asked.

@Nicks62999

11 ай бұрын

He spun because there was another crash before, and avoided a stopped car, but a third car didn't see him until it was too late, and that is because Eau Rouge is high speed with a blind exit.

@Sean-Govaerts

11 ай бұрын

@@Nicks62999 this was far far up the straight, it would have happened on any track because of the spray

@williamhobbs4202

11 ай бұрын

@@Nicks62999It didn’t happen after Eau Rouge it was further down the Kemmel straight, the crash was caused by horrendous weather conditions not the track

@jameswest9388

11 ай бұрын

This is wrong, this happened before T6, which is after Raidillon and before Kemmel. First car crashes out of raidillon and is in the track which causes the second car to crash and then the third t-bones that one.

Racing is inherently dangerous. You can’t race in a padded room. Every driver knows this.

Race directors should be banned held accountable for sending the drivers in horrendous conditions, disgusting.

It’s not spa that is the main issue, it’s the horrifically wet conditions they were racing in, visibility and the nature of such an impact. Open wheel cars need to look on how to improve visibility in the wet to start.

@XenonArcher

11 ай бұрын

i agree. the cars could be designed better. especially the lower formula cars. plus, the drainage system at spa could be improved too. as for the layout. well, the layout wasnt a factor for dillano's cash

@gdawgpwnsall

11 ай бұрын

Honestly just a wind screen like Indycar has might improve this

@fmg182

11 ай бұрын

@@gdawgpwnsall yes but the spray from cars ahead would be the same

@petermoss208

11 ай бұрын

thank you for clearing that up, it’s important to note T-bone accidents and accidents in the rain are exponentially more dangerous to open wheel race cars. this is exactly why they canceled Spa last year for F1 regardless of the money lost. I have no idea why they had those kids out there, they are all amateurs, horrible job by the FIA.

@cotch.

11 ай бұрын

Anthoines death was in dry conditions. I think when its wet and zero visibility it should be red flagged, but rain wasnt to blame for Anthoine's death.

The latest crash was caused by the horrific weather. Spinning in the wet would have happened on other fast tracks too. So should we forbid every fast track?

@cayden2744

11 ай бұрын

That's false. Main cause was the race directors that decided to finish the race on green flags with terrible conditions. Also the small run off area and the lack of tarmac/sand that makes the cars return to the track after a crash is one big factor.

@tjzulu1

11 ай бұрын

@@cayden2744the bottom line is that the conditions were not optimal for racing and THAT was the major contributing factor as it is in many instances…all the drivers are capable of making decisions regardless of what the officials say…..

@coolbigandy

11 ай бұрын

@@cayden2744 this also could have happened on Monza on the straight to Variante ascari

@nsrikumaran

11 ай бұрын

Hubert died in bone dry conditions? Can’t wait until it’s an F1 driver before you make changes

@Goatifi

11 ай бұрын

That didn’t happen to Hubert bro, it was in normal sunny conditions

Stop letting inexperienced drivers on the track. F1 have generally very experienced drivers

It was not because of the track, it was the decesion to race in rain.

Didnt the accident happen on the straight after Eau Rouge/Raidillon? What would a layout change do? Are they gonna make chicanes every 50m then? The problem was the conditions, not Spa. Those conditions on any track would be a risk.

@hobbyguy79

11 ай бұрын

I believe the issue is that cresting the hill is blind, hard to believe that one, but the barriers on either side, left side at the top of the hill amd right side on the following straight, punt the cars back out into the middle of the track. So a car at full speed crests a blind hill to find a car crashed and parked sideways in the middle of the track with zero warning and nowhere to go

@Denozo88

11 ай бұрын

​@hobbyguy79 thats not what happened with this most recent though.

@raketepeter627

11 ай бұрын

They are here for the attention, not for the problem.

@Willems378

11 ай бұрын

Yes it happened about 400m behind eau rouge. Clearly some people dont know what happened and how it happened.. sad to see this that people dont research it. I was there when it happened and the lay-out has nothing to do with it...

@MrMikekydd

11 ай бұрын

Maybe gravel instead of a wall so cars clear the track after a shunt

I think the first question to ask is why the f did they drive in those conditions?

@itsokaytobeaselfhatingjew5971

11 ай бұрын

In Europe we keep racing if it rains...

@tuna5618

11 ай бұрын

@@itsokaytobeaselfhatingjew5971 Time to reassess that

@benn8793

11 ай бұрын

@@itsokaytobeaselfhatingjew5971 Formula 1 would not have raced on this track under these conditions. Remember 2021? Neither would F2 and F3, by the way.

@darrenboston342

11 ай бұрын

@@itsokaytobeaselfhatingjew5971 don’t talk shit pal!… it’s the FIA that say Y or N !🙄

@senex25

11 ай бұрын

You are right o was there when the accident happend. It was not raining alot. But there was alot of spray coming from the cars.

A combined weightless lifting of the car going over the crest, wet conditions and high speed cornering make it extremely dangerous

What? The problem is the safety standards of the lower tiers, not the corner.

The barriers still make the cars bounce back to the track after a crash. They need to be changed so if a car crashes it is sent further away from the track and not towards it.

@benn8793

11 ай бұрын

No one bounced back. Someone spun on the curb at the exit of Eau Rouge and crashed into the opposite guardrail. The actual accident in question happened on the straight afterwards due to poor visibility.

@NoToBigBro

11 ай бұрын

Expand the runoff area 3-4x wider and longer. Problem solved. Yeah, it will be expensive, but cheaper than a life.

@Lauda84

11 ай бұрын

@@NoToBigBroor a gravel trap

@whiterabbitciggy

11 ай бұрын

gravel trap springs to mind

@klarkqent

11 ай бұрын

The barriers at radillon need to be moved back and gravel traps added

The minute anyone says "something must be done" it means you are not arguing from logic but emotion. Take your arguments to their logical conclusion and F1 will have a speed limit of 10mph, and a foot thick rubber bumper around each car. Drivers do what they do for the excitement, the same way I chose to ride (and occasionally in the past race) motorbikes. It is tragic when a driver dies, let me say that before the usual chorus of "you don't care" mob chimes in. Life is a risk, and if you want to go into a high adrenaline sport, it involves risk. If you don't like the risk, leave. Enough other people will like it. Spa is a historic circuit partly because of the risk, every driver who has ever driven there knows that. It isn't for armchair critics to demand "something must be done". If enough DRIVERS feel that way and refuse to race there, then that is different as they are the ones undertaking the risk, so THEY get to decide what is an acceptable level of risk. I don't want a non-motorcyclist deciding that motorbikes are dangerous and should be banned. It isn't your place to call for this.

@chilibeer3912

11 ай бұрын

Same reason Isle of Man is allowed to continue despite being so dangerous. The riders know better than most how deadly it can be and are willing to take the risk. I say leave it in their hands. I’m certainly not going to partake but it isn’t my place to say anything.

@flw20

11 ай бұрын

Todays generation in general is just spoilt with "safety' anything that involves the risk of being injured or dying needs to be banned. i love my adrenaline and jumping out of airlplanes and riding/racing my motorcycle. and if i doe doing any of that i would be 10x happier than if i died of any type of illness. everyone who does these things knows the risks involved and accepts them. no one expects them but if they happen we know what we signed up for

@patepulkkinenvtec2403

11 ай бұрын

Finally someone said this and didn't continue the same loop of safety preaching in motorsport you hear too much on the internet.

@Igbon5

11 ай бұрын

I think these calls for 'something must be done', even by drivers, is a sign of weakness. Motor racing is dangerous, so it should be, that is, or was part of the skill. Given the amount of racing and the low number of deaths or injuries in car racing all this emotive crap makes me sick. It is already very safe. As someone else noted, just put speed limits in and big rubber bumpers all around. I rode a motorcycle in a certain way for many years with a high-risk level, for fun.

@fellermotorsports

11 ай бұрын

Facts

dilano's crash wasnt cuz the run-off area wasn't enough or anything. it was raining quite heavily, he spun out and another car behind him, cuz of low visibility, went and crashed into the side of dilano's car

A very big issue with these young drivers is that they never ever slow down under yellow flags or when they see people go off in front of them. Hubert accident showed this when other drivers went flat out off the circuit and on the run off area - this keeps on happening with these championships

13 people have died on mount everest this year. Lets rebuild the mountain, make it lower and safer , something must be done. Spa is great, and need to stay asis. Stop inexperienced f3 and f2 driveres from racing here. Keep f1, wec, gt3 on the track as it is

@tuna5618

11 ай бұрын

Ah yes because climbing a mountain is the same as driving a car which is designed to be as safe as possible. "Spa is great, so I don't care about drivers dying, keep it so more young men die!" - you.

@paperplane-db8qf

11 ай бұрын

@@tuna5618He spun on a straight. No one can survive a T-bone crash in a straight in any track. If you want absolute safety then go watch or play e-sports.

@jameswest9388

11 ай бұрын

@@paperplane-db8qfthe car that caused him to spin did so at raidillon and caused him to be side ways to get t-boned.

As a former motorcycle road racer at national level, Motorsport competitors know there is a calculated risk of injury or death. It is expensive, and we are not forced to race. We do it because we love it. We love it because of places like Spa, Phillip Island, Algarve, Brands Hatch and Hockenheimring. My understanding is that this crash happened in a heavy downpour. Maybe the decision to halt racing due to treacherous (like our politicians) conditions should’ve been made. The circuit needs no change.

@aidantaylor117

11 ай бұрын

exactly don’t race when the track is wet especially tracks that have very high speed corners and require loads of grip. sad to see the lad go didn’t deserve it but he was doing what he loved and many of us don’t get to go out that way

@syamil.ibrahim

11 ай бұрын

This

@williamrae9954

11 ай бұрын

Rider and Marshall killed at the Southern 100 warm up on the I.o.M this week...I don't hear complaints about that?

@TheJacobAnwyl

11 ай бұрын

shout out Phillip Island, can see it from work

@robertchapman6795

11 ай бұрын

@@TheJacobAnwyl as a matter of fact I’m an Aussie (Victorian). And have been airlifted from Doohan corner after a crash! 🏍💨🚁🤦‍♂️🤣🤷‍♂️

Its not Eau Rouge that needs to be changed its the barriers at the sides as they bounce cars back on to the track. Change the run off , solve the problem. Also the weather in that race was horrendous and should have been postponed

@mortenfrosthansen84

10 ай бұрын

It didn't happen at Eau rouge though

This has absolutely nothing to do with Eau Rouge, if you change it Spa I will never watch a race there again I promise you. That is one of the best corners in motorsport

Please don’t make a campaign to get red of this beautiful circuit that has just undergone major safety improvements, but rather invest in barriers that avoid cars from bouncing back on the track! My deepest condolences to the families.

@dillon8212

11 ай бұрын

I agree. I just checked and they are still using tire barriers in this corner. There are much better options out there and also as a general rule, maybe not allow racing on high speed circuits during the wet similar to how Indycar does on ovals and on road courses when it gets really bad.

@OutCastMediaCA

11 ай бұрын

Don’t they have barriers and it still happens?

@dillon8212

11 ай бұрын

@OutCastMediaCA to my knowledge, I don't think there has been a fatality involving the SAFER (Steel and Foam Energy Reduction) barrier yet in the series that race on tracks that use it. And it's been in use for over 20 years now.

Hubert died partially because instead of slowing down when the crash occured everybody tried to full steam past the accident in action via run off and the track, resulting in chaos and thus poor visibility to avoid still in motion car. Drivers also need to take the responsibility to avoid crashes and not opportunisticly full throttle by the accident. Nigel Mansell told in a podcast that younger drivers are too accustomed to walk away from 300kph crashes that they don't have the respect for the danger.

@LoganHunter82

11 ай бұрын

This! I have said this for couple of years already. These modern cars are "too safe". This is the reason why we have started to get more and more of these freak accidents where cars began to climb above other cars on collisions. And modern F1 cars are way too big and heavy. That is why I think Grosjeans car went through the barrier in Bahrain

@iainfoster2314

11 ай бұрын

That and all the sim use - crash and reset...

@randomcamerajunk6977

11 ай бұрын

Yes. I used to race superbike at club level and have seen someone killed during a race start when the stalled rider was hit from behind. If the race officials made an effort to drive the point home about looking out for stalled riders during rider briefings lifes could be saved but I've never heard an official mention it. They only ever talk about 'clean racing'. At this level rider/driver skill levels are a bit up and down if you know what I mean.

@TheJokerit19

11 ай бұрын

Well-put. Drivers indeed also share some responsibility.

You are not qualified to determine if runoff or corner changes are required. There are many other potential solutions to safety issues and these are engineering problems to solve, not some web journalist.

One response to this, it was WET. Not the track, the race was allowed to go ahead in the wet.

FIA needs to take accountability in these situations. This was not a consequence of the track, it was a consequence of the conditions. The fact that the race was red flagged is where we need investigation. Nothing more.

@yr_endid

11 ай бұрын

Hubert's crash happened in dry conditions.

@jasper5878

11 ай бұрын

​@@yr_endidand the track has been changed since then albiet not a lot, but there is not much you can do in this area. People need to stop comparing these crashes. The are not the same they just happened to happen in the same are with unfortunately the same out come. It is very likely that had it not been raining this accident would not have had. The same outcome as the drivers could have seen and avoided the initial accident. One guy in another comment made a very valid point. This race should have been red flagged however due to that 2021 Saga of them not actually racing. The FIA and other parties may have been pressured to not red flag it.

@turbosloth8575

11 ай бұрын

Yep an extra second or two of visibility would have helped

@Ticklemonsternowee

11 ай бұрын

Weather should be a consideration of holding a race. The conditions at Spa in rain are atrocious. The race should have been postponed.

@samcooper6417

11 ай бұрын

Weather didn’t factor in either deaths, it was two people still going above yellow flag limits if you think about it. And the most recent death wasn’t due to Radillion he was on the kemmel straight

no, Spa doesnt need to change, DRIVERS need to change. Double waved yellows and flat out into the side of a crashed car... Same with both crashes. FIA need to get serious with giving points/penalties to drivers ignoring yellows.

@jameslucas3161

11 ай бұрын

Flags are useless if there's so much spray you can't see them. Things also happen so quickly that flags can't be guaranteed to notify the drivers before they find themselves in danger. That race shouldn't have happened in those far-too-wet conditions.

@johanb.7869

11 ай бұрын

Because of all the spray you can't see a thing.

@saberline152

11 ай бұрын

@@jameslucas3161 they also get a warning on their screen in formula 1 for yellows

@spikypikachu1162

11 ай бұрын

@@jameslucas3161lights usually show on their steering wheel if it’s yellow or green flag

@SlowMissiles

11 ай бұрын

@@jameslucas3161 yellow and red flag are instantly shown in the driver wheel, even before the flag itself are out.

The crashes dont happend on the same place. Dilano crashed 200meters further

The maker of this video has no idea of what is racing, end of story

1) Van 'T Hoff's crash could've happened anywhere else as well, since he collided with another car in the Kemmel-straight, WELL AFTER Eau Rouge-Raidillon. That sent him spinning across the track, and because of lack of visibility, another car collected him. 2) Hubert's car only bounced back into the run-off area. Correa's car had a puncture (if I remember correctly, but something was definitely wrong with his car), that's why he T-boned him. If not for that problem of Correa's car, Hubert would be still with us. Again, not really a track-specific crash, but for argument's sake, let's say the barriers and the run-off needs to be changed. If we're suddenly so strict about safety and everything, why not revisit the case of e.g. Monaco? The only reason F1 cars are allowed to "race" there is because of historic reasons, otherwise it FAILS almost every single modern-day safety criteria.

@pikestance4219

11 ай бұрын

Monaco is not a race, it’s a high speed parade. 😂

@sissyspaceship

11 ай бұрын

Correas front wing was under the front of the car lifting the wheels of the ground. He was a passenger.

@Kenjh71

11 ай бұрын

Absolutely correct. The track is fine, but the younger formula classes need stricter stewardship on the faster tracks.

@richardhobbs7360

11 ай бұрын

I have only 1 question Why was the car so far from Eau Rouge? Was it maybe because there's NO RUN OFF

@Petidani0330

11 ай бұрын

@@richardhobbs7360 I don't even know what you're trying to imply here. Two cars (one of them was 'T Hoff's) clipped each other in the middle of the straight for reasons unknown. What does it have to do with Eau Rouge-Raidillon?

This tragic event was nothing to do with track layout at all, it was caused by driving in wholly unsafe conditions. Their best bet is to have an overhaul of the drainage system.

@maxwilson3531

11 ай бұрын

pretty sure two fatalities in the same place in a similar fashion point out to a track related issue, regardless of the conditions present

@tuna5618

11 ай бұрын

If the track was safer and the runoff was better then there wouldn't be so many deaths at the exact same spot of the track. Instead of saying, "there's nothing wrong with the track", perhaps we should prioritise life over precious tradition.

@jbarber1016

11 ай бұрын

Exactly. Spa is a problem. It that’s not why this happened.

@jbarber1016

11 ай бұрын

@@tuna5618There are problems with the track. But this didn’t happen for those reasons and didn’t happen the same exact spot.

@jbarber1016

11 ай бұрын

@@maxwilson3531nah. This accident didn’t happen in the same exact spot and it was because of the rain conditions. Was way tk wet for open wheel spray.

Maybe they could just eliminate the race cars altogether and just have the drivers run around the track instead, that way they can insure a 100% survival rate forever.

Don't race then

Changing Eau rouge must be treated as a act of criminality.

@alexfrancis7509

11 ай бұрын

A act of treason and vandalism to art because watching cars go through there is beautiful

@RS53ful

11 ай бұрын

It was changed to the current layout in 1939. Eau Rouge was a sharp left turn followed by the Hairpin near the old Toll house. It would be a slower layout, but you have to dig away a whole Mountain.

The only fault was the people who didnt call a red flag. The area he drove through was completely blind because of rain being tossed up

Yeah, ban Spa... Just after telling those guys to race in terrible weather conditions. Bravo FIA!

The best way to reduce the chance of fatal accidents is to race virtually, near a hospital.

Spa isn’t the issue. It’s the stewardship at F1 weekends. Spa has had a 75 24hr races and been perfectly fine. F1 need to stop blaming everything but themselves for their poor decision making and then things will change.

@BlackKyurem5

11 ай бұрын

That's not comparable, GT and Touring Cars (which have raced at the 24 Hours) are much slower than Formula racers and much more safer in themselves

@TsZen876

11 ай бұрын

@@BlackKyurem5 still proves my point that the issue is F1 because safer or not GT events officiate accordingly which F1 needs to do. If even GT cars have had red flags due to rain when it gets objectively too bad for them to handle then why on God’s green earth were F2/3 cars fed to the wolves?

@anonymousguy999

11 ай бұрын

​@@BlackKyurem5They are not fast as f1 Ok but , They also dont have grip and downforce like f1 .....

@thanekrios3211

11 ай бұрын

@@TsZen876 Spot on about the conditions. They should never have been racing in that. You only have to look at the 'rooster tails' coming from the cars and the standing water to know that race should have been red-flagged. To be clear though, this was not F1, but F3 and not an F1 weekend, so not an f1 stewardship issue.

@TsZen876

11 ай бұрын

@@thanekrios3211 Thank you for Clarifying!

Thats like saying Isle of Man TT should be changed or banned because people get killed. They know the risks before getting on/in their machines. If anything the run off area needs to be changed.

@rockzs74r

11 ай бұрын

To be honest it should be. But people are insane anyway

@matthijsdeboer9932

11 ай бұрын

Indeed, yet The Race reports on the Isle of Man TT in words of heroism and has failed to utter the same sharp criticism against a race, a form of entertainment if you will, that has claimed multiple lives during the last few occasions.

@Gaz3801

11 ай бұрын

Absolutely spot on. The average road user in a production car has a higher risk of death than of that of a race driver on a race circuit. We don't see the Governments around the world closing roads.... In Australia alone, the rate of deaths on our roads has increased by 5.8% from 2021 to 2022....

@alotl1kevegas860

11 ай бұрын

@@Gaz3801 Heck yeah man. That's exactly why I dont like questions/conversations like this. Because if it comes to fruition, it will set precedent for other things like it and/or similar things to be banned. The drivers and riders know the risks involved. It should solely be up to them if they want to participate. It shouldn't be up to a government body, or an arm chair racer.

You should not put kids in the car thinking that they can reload the game at any point. They have no fear and no respect. Anything can be a weapon in the wrong hands. Change the mindset not the track.

I had this conversation many years ago already with a friend of mine ..they had to change something, but nothing was done yet..shame on them

This is not due to Spa the circuit but due to incompetence on the part of the race directors. The crash did not happen because of eau rouge or radillon it was well down the strait. The blame is with the incompetent race directors. The race directors should never be allowed near a track again after the decisions they made to restart this race.

@stevesunderground

11 ай бұрын

Whatever truth there may be to that, it doesn't change that the corner is historically dangerous. Just because it's famous doesn't mean it's well-designed. The speed and overall design of cars now is nothing like when these old tracks were originally made. You're literally wrong because you're not considering other factors. Too many "race fans" trying to place blame instead of looking for actual solutions.

@JMak02

11 ай бұрын

@@stevesunderground you’re right every GP at Paul Ricard? I don’t see any other solution than infinite runoff. If you dislike that corner at spa surely you must have a problem with literally every street circuit because they’re all dangerous due to barriers standing cars in the middle of high speed racing line just like eau rouge Jeddah, Monaco swimming pool, Baku they’re all just as dangerous in sections as Spa. I’d go as far to say every racetrack has potential to be lethal. Just need something unexpected. You’re correct, it’s a famous corner so it naturally gets criticized even when the incident happened in another part of the track and had no impact on the situation just like this exact situation. In those conditions just about every track is potentially lethal and should be treated as such. Thinking otherwise is incredibly ignorant in my opinion.

@quepasatim

11 ай бұрын

It's dangerous because cars spin hit the wall and bounce back on the racing line just give more run of before hitting the wall no need to change the corner.

@JMak02

11 ай бұрын

@@quepasatim it’s dangerous because there is no visibility in the pissing down rain. Competent race directors who do not restart the race for a last lap shootout where every drive will be going balls to the walls and not being able to see the car ahead during that pissing down rain solves this problem easier and cheaper.

@JakeM240

11 ай бұрын

@@JMak02 my thoughts same , click bait video

"Something must be done"? This is a dangerous sport, not the kiddie pool. Leave it alone.

@JeremiahDoctsonFitness

11 ай бұрын

Then let's get rid of the awful looking Halo???????? Or make it transparent looking. Looks like shit just like changing this corner would be shit

@thelargge

11 ай бұрын

A sport that you will never take active part at any professional level so easy for you to call them sitting in your couch farting, it's not your life that is at danger

@diego090bw

11 ай бұрын

​@@thelarggeAnd every racer know he risks his life all the time, so what is your point???

@Cryozenix

11 ай бұрын

@@diego090bwminimizing that risk is still necessary. we don’t want all of the drivers dying before season end. brushing off a trend of deaths at a specific corner on a specific track is a horrible idea.

@Jstylez_dnb

11 ай бұрын

The driver should know their limits . If they can't handle the turn at high speed, they should slow down that's why they got brakes. If they make the track easier what's the point just make all of the track round like Nascar . And I would stop watching.

Removing spaa and that sector , is like banning the whole f1 cars , or banning the nordschleife u just can’t,

These drivers know the risks and CHOOSE to race there!

As far as I think, this sort of crash could have happened at any other track, where it is raining and you have barriers close to the track i. e. Monza…

The track is not the main culprit it's the race directors not calling a red flag on the clearly undrivable conditions. That whole segment of track needs to be monitored every race for any signs of standing water or visibility concerns from spray. Additionally a gravel trap on the left side to bring any driver to a halt before they rebound would be nice, without needed to reshape the barriers again.

@richardhobbs7360

11 ай бұрын

The track is most definetely the problem, more specifically because of eau rogue, it NEEDS to be changed

@janfilipfontana1276

11 ай бұрын

​​@@richardhobbs7360'm 99.99999% sure you aren't talking about Eau Rouge corner (and again I'm 60% sure you weren't playing with the "rogue" adjective), rather you meant the Radillon sequence, but you're too dumb to know the names of F1 corners. And still, you think you can decide what should be done to them. Let me guess, you've discovered this sport via YT or via DtS, right?

@TheMur28

11 ай бұрын

@@richardhobbs7360this crash happened in the middle of a straight in wet conditions. It could have happened at any circuit F1 has ever raced on. The problem that needs fixing this time is avoiding sending the cars out when 1) there is so much standing water that the tires can’t touch the ground and 2) the drivers can’t see anything in front of them. Additionally, improved drainage (at every circuit) would help prevent this.

@richardhobbs7360

11 ай бұрын

@@TheMur28 Dilanos did, the original didn't, another track and there would have been enough run off

Leave spa alone. I'm sick of great tracks being ruined.

simple solution, the feeder series are no longer allowed to race at Spa. the safety advancements on the formula 1 cars and the skill of the drivers makes the track much safer.

We should stop skydiving because people have died. Also stop eating because people have choked and died. Get rid of water because people drown. Let's get rid of.....

@phillgornall2296

11 ай бұрын

Careful, you might implode with that attitude.

Corners like these are made of dreams. It needs to stay. It's a corner that uses 3 axis in a dramatic way, it's beautiful.

@Heinrich_Von_Schnellfahrer

11 ай бұрын

as the accident happend on the Kemmel Straight the bare mention of Eau Rouge/Radillion in this case is just ignorance/malice by the creator of the video.

@richardhobbs7360

11 ай бұрын

@@Heinrich_Von_Schnellfahrer The original accident that caused everything else happened in Eau rogue, an accident that on any other track would have resulted in both cars in the barriers 20 meters off the track, but instead they got launched back onto the track

@Heinrich_Von_Schnellfahrer

11 ай бұрын

@@richardhobbs7360 So you do not know which corner Eau Rouge is either? Describe Eau Rouge to me, please. It is physically impossible for a car, or cars, that has an accident in Eau Rouge to end up there.

@janfilipfontana1276

11 ай бұрын

​​@@Heinrich_Von_Schnellfahreruy can't even write it properly and you want him to locate it precisely. 😂😂 (People like him are the reason why F1 won't be a thing in the next 20 years, or maybe just 5-6).

@Heinrich_Von_Schnellfahrer

11 ай бұрын

@@janfilipfontana1276 👍 out of curiosity I did a quick search of fatalities in drag racing.. hoooly.. and that is straight an level.. we need to ban straights RIGHT NOW!😅 and as far as fatalities per track Spa is by far not the worst in class..

It's never the track. It's always the driver, the car or other circumstances. But never the track, because everyone have to deal with the same track, the same layoutn, same conditions and the same altitude changing. Stop blaming tracks to be "to dangerous".

Wasn't it the visibility ??

@Fernando_Racing

11 ай бұрын

yes it was but the car bounced back out on the track so it is like a combination

@benn8793

11 ай бұрын

Yes. The race director really wanted to finish the race under green. There was a safety car phase before the accident and after that I think there were only 1-2 laps left. That was a damn bad decision because the cars are very close together after a restart. If you then add the rain, it's a disaster waiting to happen.

@tuna5618

11 ай бұрын

It's a combination of racing in wet weather and an unsafe track that bounces cars back onto the track when they hit the wall.

@benn8793

11 ай бұрын

@@Fernando_Racing Nobody bounced back out of the barrier at Eau Rouge, but slipped on the wet kerb, spun away and landed in the guardrail opposite.

@Ariespradana13

11 ай бұрын

That's why we need put chicane in eau rogue 👍

Nah this obsession with finishing under green flags by race directors needs to change. I wonder if this bad pr is being pushed by people who want their curcuit on the calander over spa.

@captaintoyota3171

11 ай бұрын

That makes zero sense here being a feeder series no one watches

this high speed corner makes Spa infamous. don't change the layout, change the race regulation.

In the grand scheme of crashes, it wasn't even bad. He was stationary and got hit by a car that was going ahout 80mph. That can happen at ANY track, not just spa. It's not the track that's unsafe, it's the car. All racecars should be able to take an 80mph hit. 99% of them can. I have no idea why Formula Regional cars are so unsafe.

Leave the track as it is ! Every Driver knows the risk

This had nothing to do with the corner, this happened on the straight afterwards. A straight like many many others on many many other tracks. The problem was the condition of the weather in which the race was restarted, a restart that should not have happened.

It’s developing drivers who need not do spa. It’s developing who lack the skill set to do the big boy tracks

And all the fatalities happened in an open wheel chassis.....the track isn't the problem. It's miscalculation and driver error

This particular crash could sadly happen on pretty much any race track in such horrendous weather conditions. That being said, the changes made after 2019 were a disappointing half measure and didn't go far enough. We need to revisit gravel traps. It's happening now in Austria, albeit for different reasons, which is encouraging. Here, it would help in two ways: A) Gravel is way more effective than asphalt in stopping rebounding cars and preventing them from getting back onto the race track. Runoff area design has focussed too much on the first impact in the past, when in places like this it's the secondary impact that's more of a concern. B) A major issue on this part of the track is that in case of accidents, the following drivers will use the runoff to avoid the wreck while keeping their foot down. This behaviour comes with the permanent threat of top speed t-bone collisions, such as the one the killed Hubert, and it is only possible thanks to the asphalt runoff. With gravel traps there instead, drivers would quickly learn to apply their brakes again to avoid collisions. Even if secondary collisions still happened, they would be happening at lower speeds and be less likely to be fatal.

@bmstylee

11 ай бұрын

Yes gravel can be effective but it has it's own issues. Look at Sebring this year and even at slow speeds a Ferrari GT car hit the gravel and barell rolled. So an open wheel car digging in at high speed like Eau Rouge will launch it.

@simonbrunner3062

11 ай бұрын

@@bmstylee I saw a video compilation of crashes at Eau Rouge / Radillon recently. In one of the incidents, a car did get launched over the barrier, and that was in the tarmac era. So it can happen either way. If a car digs into gravel, it at least loses significant amounts of speed while doing so, making a potential impact into the catch fence more survivable. I searched for the Sebring crash you mentioned and only found one where the car (a 488 GTE) flipped *after* impacting the barriers. That doesn't seem too dangerous. Definitely better than rebounding to the race track. It's not about protecting drivers from any kind of harm. That's impossible. If you go off at Eau Rouge or Radillon, it's gonna hurt. The advanced crash structures of racing cars are there for a reason, and they will be needed. It's about preventing the catastrophic crashes, the ones where even the strongest crash structures can't help you any more.

@dvz19777

11 ай бұрын

How sad they let them race in those dangerous conditions. Unforgivable

@bmstylee

11 ай бұрын

@@simonbrunner3062 definitely. If you get it wrong it will bite hard. The Cadillac Hypercar comes to mind from this year.

@dislexyc

11 ай бұрын

​@@bmstyleeor Alonso's big scare in Australia I dont think that zone is right for a gravel trap, that's asking for a car to roll into a fan zone

Its not Spa's fault, this could happen at any track.

This is racing. Why should the track change if the drivers are not be able to drive their cars

This is total BS! A teenager crashes at hi speed in wet conditions and they need to change the course? How about not allowing teenagers on the course, in wet conditions?

Per Alonso, it was more weather-related (visibility) than speed, so it appears that racing only in dry or drying conditions should be key.

@martingonzalez2850

11 ай бұрын

Er, no. Racing in the wet highlights the best drivers.

@Denozo88

11 ай бұрын

​@@martingonzalez2850full 2019 wets no.

@realnohat

11 ай бұрын

@martingonzalez2850 don't disagree but when you see those on board camera views and can't see anything through the spray you know it's a tad too wet.

@vectro4284

11 ай бұрын

@@realnohatThat was pretty normal before the Americans took over.

I would analyze what conditions the crashes are happening before changing the course. There’s a lot of racing events at spa and 99% of the time there’s no major incidents, so I’m wondering if there can be changes made to what conditions are allowed and to have immediate red flags when accidents happen.

Wrong take on this. The problem is not Spa. The problem are organizers that make pilots run in conditions that any car shouldn't be racing.

First change Saudi Arabia, then we can talk.

The IOM TT has on average three deaths per race, they know the risks. Two people dying in four years is far from 'high' and it was by 'junior' racers....it's the racers that need to be looked at, not the track.

@Cerbera82

11 ай бұрын

That was my first thought. Muppets like this will see the TT banned in future.

I was racing in a historic Formula junior race in 2005. A steering arm broke at the top of Eau Rouge, and I spun into the Tyre wall. Due to the layout, the car hit the Tyre wall 'head on' except that it was the tail that hit first. My injuries included a broken back, that put me in a wheelchair. The hospital at Liege was excellent and I eventually got home to England. I contacted the Formula 1 drivers association, I think it was David Coulthard who organized an inspection of the Tyre wall layout, and the circuit did change the layout to make it safer. Motor racing IS dangerous, but circuits should do their best to reduce dangerous places. During races, I believe that experienced drivers should assist the stewards, and the clerk of the course, to make safety decisions. I think this is done occasionally, with good results.

No one is forced to drive there. Any driver knows the risks.

It's an officiating problem not the track. Do Not Change Spa!

Pretty sure he was a good chunk down the straight when it happened, I keep seeing people blame the corner but it wasn’t that. It was the wet conditions. No need to change shit just stop fucking racing in the wet here. It’s simple

@jameswest9388

11 ай бұрын

It was bone dry in 2019 and it still killed someone who came off at the same point the first car lost control in this crash.

@LoganHunter82

11 ай бұрын

@@jameswest9388 Completely different kinds of crashes in different places. Try to keep up.

Why do people keep talking about the corner? This crash didn't happen at Eau Rouge it happened on the Kemmel Straight. If you race in zero visibility with cars hydro planing everywhere any straight will become dangerous. It's kind of annoying seeing a racing channel with this stature spread this type of nonsense instead of talking about the actual reasons the accident occurred.

Gravel traps. If you look at accidents at this corner when there were gravel traps, nobody got spat back onto the track

I'd put there a HUGE LED-Wall that instantly indicates if something waiting for a driver up the hill (crashed car, debry, etc.), indicatin that driver must slow down inmediately

The day we lose Spa is the day I'll pinpoint THIS video to the reason.

@OskarasNauseda

11 ай бұрын

Dont forget stroll

Never change it , we all know the risk of racing that's why we love it !

Race car drivers know the risk, they thrive on the thrill and competition, leave the legendary circuit alone!

I disagree, drivers are aware of these conditions and take personal responsibility when driving. They are fully aware that they could die in a collision at height speed, they drive for the love of the sport and this happens.

Automatic red flag: make a automatic system that notice stopped cars on the straight. If car is stopping on blind spot then automatically raise red flag.

I have a simple suggestion for races in wet conditions : They should put LED lights that will be activated in the rain ; if there is a yellow flag in a sector it turns yellow and red for a red flag 🚩

@tonyh2181

11 ай бұрын

That's brilliant actually

@Dohmk

11 ай бұрын

@@tonyh2181 thank you 🙏🏾 I mean the LED would be somewhere on the rear wings where the pilot automatically and naturally look on the car right in front of him. But the problem is that I don’t want them to get hypnotized they could be less aware from what is happening around them maybe idk 🤷🏾‍♂️

@tonyh2181

11 ай бұрын

@@Dohmk Well they already have the red light in the back for various purposes I don't think it would be much different for them to adapt to the different LED. I like your idea a lot.

I cant understand why people are not noticing why cars bounce back onto the track since the gravel traps were replaced with tarmac.

Crashes on one corner means drivers should be aware and no the risks.

Or, you know, not drive when it is that wet.

@tuna5618

11 ай бұрын

Both can be true at once, I don't see why the safety-haters need to only take one side.

@rcnumbers3562

11 ай бұрын

​@@tuna5618just so you know, the accident happened quite a bit further away from raidillon. It was basically on the kemmel straight. Tell me why you would need a run-off area on a straight when there are so many street tracks that dont have them at all.

@onnovanknotsenburg1177

11 ай бұрын

@@tuna5618 ​Where does that "safety haters" claim come from?? Last time I checked rain is a safety risk. Main cause of death was the driver hitting the other not seeing him at all due to the rain.

The weather caused the crash. A chaotic restart in the wet was bound to cause catastrophic accidents. Quit blaming circuits for the failures of drivers, manufacturers, and organizers.

As a father and grandfather I look after my children. when I get into a racecar I know I am putting my life at risk. Grow up

don't change it. need people to understand that it's not just fucking spa that's dangerous. drivers don't ever forget what they're coming into. dont fucking back out now. it's too scary? DONT RACE

The junior drivers need to be told to slow down, the track's layout is completely fine, if F1 could keep it on the track other categories could too because of the speed of F1 is way higher so please don't change the layout, change the safety of the cars no matter the cost.

@Gamurboi

11 ай бұрын

thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard, thats like saying tell the drivers to stop doing their job.

@adamlury6443

11 ай бұрын

No drivers going to slow down that goes against their fundamental nature. Instead they can change the runoff area to make it safer

@KA._.144

11 ай бұрын

i mean look at landos crash a few years back and tell me they can keep it on track. if im not mistaken too checo almost had a very big crash but barley saved it. also why blame the drivers when f1 did 3 laps under saftey car and said "thats the race you got what you paid for" but they cant do it now?