Thank you so much for sharing such magical steam moments. The SA scenery, sounds and light combine beautifully with steam.

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Inedible scenery there.

When that garrett come steaming up from Ondervalle to Boven (1977) I tell you theres no greater sound than that. Ah! Music to my ears.

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Magnificent sounds!

The quality of music it makes is second to none 🔥🔥🔥

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I can remember a train ride above the clouds descending down Montagu pass early in the morning in the 1960’s. I will never forget this. It is a memory that I will take to my grave. `Oh you beautiful Garratts’ that made it possible.

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

A magical place with amazing steam locomotives

Well worth seeing, glad you filmed it!

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, it was quite amazing.

That wistle was amazing

@steamfreak

4 ай бұрын

It was! Such a great trip.

Brilliant video, South Africa at its best, thanks for posting.

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Cheers!

Iconic locomotives of my youth. Thanks for sharing.

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Yes those Garratts are awesome locomotives

Great bit of film,i just got back from S A and to see two of the last of these monsters in Bloemfontein yard together with what is suposed to the national collection just abandoned and rusting away brings tears to your eyes.S A just has no intrest in steam heitage apart from a few small groups doing their bit to preserve what they can.Tony

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Yes it's a crying shame, the state of railways there now...

Some great shots typical of S Africa, thanks for posting.

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Amazing pictures,thanks for posting them.So sad to read that these locos are no longer working.I toured SA in 1976,80 and 85,in 76 I travelled over the Montague Pass behind a GMA.the only GEAs I saw were 26 at Paarden Eiland and about 5-6 at Voorbai all waiting for the scrapman so never saw one working. Plenty of happy memories,You Tube brings back these memories.Alan.

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Cheers, they were good days

@eisbeinGermany

10 ай бұрын

and to think after 1994 elections how the country fell into a hell hole, now its so unsafe to travel,

Magnificent footage

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Stunning video photography!!

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Excellent footage! Sad to see that SA neglected a vital part of its heritage.

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, so sad. It could have been a real drawcard.

@eisbeinGermany

10 ай бұрын

and to think today in some places no rails even left.all stolen after covid

@eisbeinGermany

10 ай бұрын

and to think in some places no rails even left. all stolen during covid @@steamfreak

Much steam and interesting locomotives in a magnificent landscape! Great video!

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. That was a great trip.

Fantastic and great video. Thank you very much.

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Cheers.

Awesome footage. Thank you for sharing.

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Greta memeories as a laaitie.My dad worked as a conductor in Oudtshoorn and george,later on the Choo Tjoe

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Amazing railway lines

Spectacular!

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! That was a great day...

Used to go down to the works as a kid to see the Garrats leaving on a low loader going to the docks .My old dad was foreman boiler maker at Peacocks building the front end of the Garrats. Very little left of the works apart from the boundary walls, Gorton now run down used to be a major engineering area.There are more blacks here than in South Africa.

@steamfreak

5 жыл бұрын

They produced some mighty machines!

Excellent Video - Somehow SAR Steam is still tops for me!!! Thanks for posting, 5* Bryn

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great video! Thank you for sharing Uwe

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Cheers

Beautiful. Just Beautiful. Garretts have always seemed special to me,and this is just about the best video I have seen on KZread so far about them. Such a special type of loco, they make the "Mallets" seem ordinary. Two power bogies, and a loco in between..... Lovely pink morning light and steam as well, thanks :). Magnicificent.

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Most beautiful steamloco video I've ever seen. Sometimes it felt like slow motion..

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much

Yes, magnificent! I grew up with these engines at close hand as my Dad worked for what was back then called the S.A.R&H ... South African Railways and Harbours. I left SA in 1987 and think it is terribly sad that the current regime does not honor such rich history ... Thank you so very much ...

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Very sad these days

Fantastic video Trev! It's absolutely amazing how these locos operate. I would LOVE to go to South Africa and visit the steam depots just for photos.

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dan. Sadly all the depots are history now.

@eisbeinGermany

10 ай бұрын

sadly the country is now so un safe,

@eisbeinGermany

10 ай бұрын

not only that, how unsafe its now in SA @@steamfreak

Once a steamfreak always a steamfreak Mag. Locomotives

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Always! 🙂

Does it get any better than this? Fabulous post. 5*

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Bravo! Thanck you!

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Cheers!

Simply amazing!!!

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. That was an incredible day.

Great footage l love SAR that was and have suscribed. l have footage on my channel ( third engineer ) of Garratts on Pietermaritzburg MPD in 1973

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks , I'll have a look.

Wonderful film. Thankyou

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Cheers

Outstanding video! Thank you for sharing. 5* - Mike

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Awesome !

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Hell, these two put on one hell of a show

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Was very impressive!

Superb!

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Super video!

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, that was one of my favourite days!

massive footage !

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@Linda69P Thanks! This was filmed in August 2002. Sadly since then so much has changed. These locomotives and even the train are no longer operating.

O yes! Loverly! I well remember these fabulous machines when steam ruled our r;l system. "Earth hath not anything to show more fair ...."

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Indeed!

Great!

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Speechless.

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Directly, yes, but mainly due to the state railway company Transnet deciding to no longer continue their heritage section. These locos are still in existence, but standing and rusting whilst the coaches have been weather damaged and some vandalised beyond repair. Sad.

Its amazing the drivers can see anything at all!!!

@Deontjie

4 жыл бұрын

They know the road.....

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

There was plenty of steam that cold morning!

wow....cool!

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

O yes! Loverly! I well remember these fabulous machines when steam ruled pour ra;l system.

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Good days, those.

Awesome

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Wonderous Beasts...

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Incredible!

True old school power

@steamfreak

8 ай бұрын

Full steam Garratt Power... The best!

@Spalterbockl Yes, it was the same TRV7E Mini DV camera with Sennheiser ground mic.

C'est le plus beau clip vu sur une double-traction GARRATTS sur train de voyageurs. de très belles images ! Félicitations au caméraman ! J'espère qu'il a été conservé quelques unes de ces machines en état pour tracter des trains spéciaux ?

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

🙂🙂🙂

not being a steam fan but thats cracking footage Trevor

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Brutal!

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Yep that's some decent power for narrow gauge!

Holy Smoke! Beats any dragon movie!

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

😊 Thanks!

There are a few in Bulawayo, Zimbabwe and Wankie Colliery and Vic Falls, also Zimbabwe.

Very good, thank you, trevor. Did you use the same identical video cameras?

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I had an analog camera 1994-1997 then miniDV from 2007.

Great video as always! I am looking for shots (pictures) for the GMAM Garratt's cab.

@steamfreak

4 жыл бұрын

Not sure if a have any...

Even better than a Union Pacific Big Boy.

@steamfreak

8 жыл бұрын

+James Braithwaite :) I think so...

@yardlet6

7 жыл бұрын

Big Boys have bigger boilers but Garratts are cool in their own way. Waste of motive power for a passenger run though. What gauge is the track?

@squach6239

7 жыл бұрын

Alex Batey On another video they said 1.06 meter. Don't know if it's the same as these. That was the Zimbabwe rail video,same type engines though!

@isdrakens

7 жыл бұрын

South Africa runs on narrow gauge rail

@yardlet6

7 жыл бұрын

Most US rail is standard size gauge. Very few narrow gauge.I have home videos of the Big Boys,Union Pacific films.

It is easy to understand how the steam loco is only 7% efficient. Think of the sweat and toil the coal miners had in supplying fuel for one journey. Praise God for the endeavour of those who designed and made these magnificent beasts.

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Yes they sure were not efficient beasts!

@adriannettlefold9084

2 жыл бұрын

May I ask how you were able to say that a steam locomotive is only 7% efficient? Is that from a conversion of calorific value to effective tractive effort? Or simply that it takes more imputs compared to other forms of traction? Interestingly enough now in 2022 I would think steam could almost be competative as opposed to diesel hauled services.

@Randolph1233

2 жыл бұрын

@@adriannettlefold9084 , Adrian,I listened to a scientific programme about the relative benefits of various forms of power generating systems , including traction. I have good reason to believe it is true. The heat dissipated by a firebox on a locomotive is enormous. When the smoke is expelled, it blows out much heat with it. The system is not enclosed- meaning the great bulk of the heat is wasted. I worked as a thermal insulation engineer- a fancy name for a lagger- in power stations , factories, gas liquification plants in the UAE.

@adriannettlefold9084

2 жыл бұрын

@@Randolph1233 thank you for the reply and explanation. I am a locomotive driver and qualified on Steam with our Heritage Division in Queensland Rail, Australia. When you mentioned the figure of 7% it had me interested as to how or why you came to that conclusion, and yes I agree that it does loose most heat. But would also like to add, that it is a very effective design in imparting that heat energy into generating steam given the variables in stop start , up and down gradient, and change in load being hauled at any given time. Internal firebox brick arches lengthen the gas path for better and complete combustion. Superheater elements impart much of the remaining calorific value of the hot gases passing through to exhaust as is possible as well as feedwater heaters and in some SAR locos condencors. Again thanks for the reply. Cheers

@psycotria

Жыл бұрын

@@adriannettlefold9084 The thermodynamic efficiency of the external combustion steam locomotive is low, but modern design of flow and skilled operators can raise the efficiency significantly. I wonder how total cost of ownership over the engines' lifetimes compare with soulless electronic diesel boxes.

Austrorus. They are water tanks for the locos. Locos only carry enough water in the front tank for use in the yards. The design was adopted to keep the weight down for use on lightly laid branch lines.

@spoonnz

7 жыл бұрын

That's correct. softer rails are easier to make and lay. when most of the rails in southern Africa were laid they had a choice, soft rails, or stronger rails, softer rails would go further but they had a weight limits. so the decided to use the Garret because of its low surface area, and tractive effort so the train could pull the same weight as the stronger rails.

@squach6239

7 жыл бұрын

Grease Maggot That's what I thought. The Garret was a lighter narrow gauge answer for a twin engine compound engine without having the weight of those big articulated monster like the Challenger and Big boys.

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. They were semi-permanently coupled.

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

They were the ideal loco for big loads on light lines

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

It's more the rail weight than the hardness of the steel. These could run on 60 lb/yd which is quite light

Beautiful. What is the date this was filmed?

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

August 2001

A bit off the topic, but not entirely. I travelled as a kid many times on steam trains and I remember seeing every now and then a train inspector sitting next to the tracks with a hammer hitting the passing wheels. He was obviously listening to the sound from each strike. Was he listening for any cracks in the wheels?

@Uftonwood2

8 жыл бұрын

I remember the wheel taper make his way along the train, the ultrasonic test of its age.

@6___________99_____________64

7 жыл бұрын

hawkeye0248 Iv heard of them being called Tapiologists although. I'm not too sure if this was there official designation or not.

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Yes, indeed he was listening for the thunk of a cracked tyre.

Visually and audibly 5 stars...

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

The World Bank made a loan to Angola conditional to them getting rid of their wood burning garret locomotives. This may have been in the 1970’s

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds right. Zimbabwe had similar from Canada...

nice to look at for fans, but hell to work for the engineers

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

They loved it!

How does the driver see the signals through all that steam and smoke?

@steamfreak

7 жыл бұрын

+Gnostic Brian the are probably running on radio train orders so would have the radio in the lead loco's can.

It just doesn't get any better thn double headed Garrets!

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

They are pretty good!

Great Vid !!! Are there any Garratts left in service in the southern parts of Africa today ??????

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

There are a number of 2' gauge Garratts at Sandstone, plus a GMAM at Creighton. That's about it.

Does anyone know what happened to the garratts beyer sold to south africa when Australia refused the last 3 of the 60 class?

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

It's unlikely any 60 Class ever went to South Africa

It looks likes a leading was either priming or just leaking badly.Garrat locomtives were powerful and I fail to understand as to why did they have to double head that train.A lone GEA garrat rated 14 coaches unassisted while GMA took up to 16 effortlessly.

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Mostly for show, as it was a tourist train

I've heard that after the end of apartheid, things that were created by the regime were discarded willy-nilly, regardless how important to the country's prosperity or their historical significance. The SAR was decimated, after which overloaded over the road trucking destroyed the roads. All to rid the country of an historic icon. People such as that would cut off their noses to spite their faces. Is that far off the mark? If not, then many tragic losses.

@yardlet6

7 жыл бұрын

The decline was started when De Klerk was still around. It was the Saffa version of the Beecham report. Rian Mulam did a PBS special on his return to SA and talked of line closings and loss of some passenger service.

@charlesbutt8406

7 жыл бұрын

It is a tragedy

@Randolph1233

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlesbutt8406 , you can’t run a transport system, which is too costly, just because you like the drama of the sound, sight , and smell of steam.

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

They did indeed. It's even worse now.

@psycotria

Жыл бұрын

@@steamfreak Thank you for the reply. There is an evil corruption at work in the world. South Africa is certainly a mess. Every country is corrupted to some extent. Your videos in South Africa are a favorite of mine. The Red Devil and its upgrades prompted my looking into Porta et al. I can't identify one diesel box from another; its the steam locomotive with its soul that I love. Of course I love the Welsh Highland Rwy and its story. I love the 2' gauge, a size that would make a great fit in cities. Best wishes and thanks for the videos.

waht do they ahve inbetwee nthe 2 Locos? additional tank with water?

@psycotria

10 жыл бұрын

"... inbetwee nthe 2 Locos? additional tank with water?" * * * Yes. * * *

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Yes, extra water tank. Not many working columns around these days.

Certainly had a lot of Steam Leaks ! Shows wat sort of maintenance these Beautiful Beasts received ? there is 1 Class 600 Beyer-Garrat at the Canberra rail Museum in Full Working order !!

@steamfreak

8 жыл бұрын

+Tom Armstrong Thanks Tom - I've been to see 6029 a few times - amazing! kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZmuCw6upaM6YeZs.html

@TheCalgarycanuck

8 жыл бұрын

+Tom Armstrong Steam leaks abate as loco heats up at 5:03

@pheonics153 Might be a bit late Dan, not much still running there now...

@Randolph1233

6 жыл бұрын

steamfreak3450 - Steam trains around the world I

What is the box at the front of the engines? What is the tank car (between the engines) for?

@steamfreak

7 жыл бұрын

+SirDeanosity they are articulated Garratt locomotives, so they have a water tank at the front. The tank car is a feeder tank for the GMAM Garratt, these were permanently attached to the GMAM Garratts f or additional water capacity.

@shroomzed2947

6 жыл бұрын

SirDeanosity, Beyer Garratt locomotives were designed this way with a water tank over the front power unit and a full tender over the back power unit so the boiler could be slung between the frames. This means you could fit a very wide radius boiler with short length tubing (which is exactly what you want for a powerful boiler) and fit within the relatively tight loading gauges of the states and colonies that used them. The Beyer Garratt format also kept axle loading quite reasonable and so they were the solution for many Asian and African countries where more powerful locomotives were required but putting on stronger infrastructure was economically infeasible. The tank car was mostly a South African practice and was the primary place for water consumption. The reason is that if considerable amounts of water were taken from the front tank, adhesion decreases considerably for the front unit.

at 5,38 does one engine coast along while the other works hard on a down hill to save fuel,

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

I have wondered about that. Possibly, although they both seem to be working...

Due to maintenance?

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Due to railway management who don't care, sadly...

I have some videos of the Beyer Garratt on my channel but I had to take them on my phone

@steamfreak

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks I'll have a look

I bet you were pleased with the shot at 2:00.

@steamfreak

9 жыл бұрын

I was pleased with the whole trip - but yes, especially that shot!

Pity he cant shut the cylinder drains as well as he plays the whistle

@steamfreak

3 жыл бұрын

🤣 Indeed!

Are the rear cylinder cocks open on both locomotives at 7:01?

@steamfreak

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, certainly looks that way...

Its a shame when this happens to railways. Mind you the kingston flyer went under but that got saved so we never know

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

I'm still hoping!

Are they still at work now?

@steamfreak

7 жыл бұрын

+James Braithwaite those locos are still around but not working. The GMAM has recently been acquired for use on the Knysna line and will hopefully run again soon.

@jamesbraithwaite478

7 жыл бұрын

Cool.

Why do these locos steam much more than the ones in zim

@steamfreak

4 ай бұрын

It was a freezing morning, giving lovely clouds of white steam.

@Zimbabwerailways

4 ай бұрын

Do you know what has happened to them

Impossibel to find better movies on youtube!

@steamfreak

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Carbon footprint???? what are you talking about. used to go from jhb to grahamstown for school. garretts at alicedale :D

@steamfreak

5 жыл бұрын

It's all steam, and some carbon solids returning to whence they came!

@ppjolla

5 жыл бұрын

you sound like a trump follower. educate yourself about what happens when you burn coal. remark was made tongue in cheek "When coal is burned, it reacts with the oxygen in the air. This chemical reaction converts the stored solar energy into thermal energy, which is released as heat. But it also produces carbon dioxide and methane."

@steamfreak

5 жыл бұрын

@@ppjolla Not sure what Trump has to do with Garratt locomotives - he probably wouldn't even know what one is? Yes, my reply was also made tongue in cheek. I am kind of aware what happens when coal is burned, but thank you for the attempted education effort!

made in sunny Gorton.

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Amazing work!

Surely Garratts are essentially freight engines? Why are they pulling this passenger train? Must have been a fairly slow trip?

@steamfreak

7 жыл бұрын

+Gregory Lauder-Frost Garratts hauled all manner of trains in South Africa, on the many mountains routes. The old PE passenger train that plied this route was Garratt hauled on this section. And yes it was a slow trip!

@duncangardiner9792

4 жыл бұрын

Terrain in South Africa dictated that Garratts were used extensively for all train types, for some time they were the dominant loco in Natal, in particular on branch lines that climbed in land.

Esas locomotoras ,son puro humo,y dificultosas para ver el maquinista por el rumbo que vá.

@steamfreak

9 жыл бұрын

Pedro Nesich You are right! But it is mostly steam, as it was a freezing cold morning. But still difficult for the crew to see the line ahead...

Why doublehead???

@steamfreak

5 жыл бұрын

A long and heavy train over a steeply graded mountain pass.

Did they really need two locos for this train?

@steamfreak

8 жыл бұрын

No, I really think that the GEA could have handled the load solo!

@hughmcinally907

8 жыл бұрын

Maybe not, but I'm so glad they did. Awesome stuff.

@fredkitmakerb9479

7 жыл бұрын

I'm also glad they doubleheaded. But while Garrets are powerful, they have a design flaw in that all the weight on the drivers are under the tenders, and as the loco consumes fuel, it gets lighter, thus loosing tractive effort. Montagu Pass has a hard grade of 1 to 36, pr 2.78%. Though for any railway. So doubleheading would be necessary.

@fredkitmakerb9479

7 жыл бұрын

I made a mistake. These Garrats were not as powerful as I thought. The GEA & GMAM "only" had tractive effort of 60,700 lb (75%). The UP Challegers generated up to 97,350 lb, and some 4-8-2 Mountains (specifically the Frisco's) generated more than that ( 66,400lbs)..

@DeCasoU1

7 жыл бұрын

But with a Garratt you do not have a tender sat on a series of undriven axles. This was a problem with American articulated designs, some 170 tons and more sat on unpowered axles under the tender - and don't mention the Allegheny which had some 117 long tons of locomotive sat on undriven axles. The Y6b had only a little over 28 long tons on the undriven axles under the locomotives. the difference in weight between the two types is a little over 71 long tons. Yes the N & W design is smaller but the amount of weight on the Lima design which is the reverse of beneficial when it comes to delivering power to the railhead is little short of embarrassing. The Y6b actually has the greater adhesive weight. the design also made far more money for the company that built it than was the case for "Lima's finest".

На керосине. Охуенная техника. Хоть что-то в Африке есть...

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

True Legends of a bygone era. Can't you see the Climate Catasrophits heads exploding ? 🤯🤯🤯. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣.

@steamfreak

2 жыл бұрын

🤣 Yes indeed! I do cop a bit of climate alarmism here on this channel! Steam locos are definitely Greta's worst nightmare!

@rhettcorbett3346

2 жыл бұрын

@@steamfreak They are all Grade A HYPOCRITES. Chuck em in the firebox. Lol. Our most famous steam train is the 3801 in Australia.

These locomotives are the main reasons for global warming ,pollution ,and melting of Antarctica's ice and glaciers.

@steamfreak

6 жыл бұрын

Hahaha! You're quite the comedian! Their numbers have been dwindling since the 1940's. Only a handful survived into this century. You're clearly no climate scientist...

@ppjolla

5 жыл бұрын

were you exposed to lead as a kid?

@Andy-Gibb

3 жыл бұрын

Ayush Jim fuckwit

Talk about pollution!

@steamfreak

6 жыл бұрын

+Roy Paris steam is water vapour.