I have a Cook recording from 1950 which is a dark rust color. Cook had a pressing plant which was different than all of the other pressing plants. (Look it up. It's fascinating.) It sounds amazingly good for its date.

UPDATE: Dougdale LTD (PVC manufacturer) answered and claims that now they are able to produce high quality colored vinyl which it is good as black vinyl. The problems with colored vinyl, they claimed, is in the use of bad quality pigments in the past. UPDATE 2: Also GZMedia (pressing plant and PVC manufacturer) answered and claims that the problem with colored vinyl resides in the PVC as PVC for black and for colored vinyl has different specifications

@Gregor7677

6 жыл бұрын

Well, there you are. I haven't had good luck with colored records. Now I avoid it.

@QoraxAudio

5 жыл бұрын

Nice how you used/added all the first hand sources for your info by doing real research. Most people just copy random information from the web or repeat stuff they've been told by friends.

Hi again! Great to hear your thoughts on this subject. For me always black, but that is no surprise :) Interesting to see the background noise differences between the different colors. I would not be surprised if static is influencing the mentioned results. Ciao. /Paul

@anadialog

5 жыл бұрын

Could be...good point!

Never thought of it, but thanks for tackling this topic. I’m all about the sound quality, so if given a choice, I’ll likely go with black, unless I read some review about the colored pressing. Should generally be cheaper also.

@anadialog

5 жыл бұрын

Thank YOU

I'm probably going to get some shade for this (apolologies in advance audiophiles) but does anyone know if the colour thing also applies to timecode vinyl?

I own a single multicolored vinyl lp. A soundtrack. When the needle crosses the colour border, I can hear the difference in back ground noise.

@anadialog

6 жыл бұрын

Interesting!! Good proof of what we are trying to understand!

I wanted to add a comment that is not based on opinion, but on my own experience. I have a turntable that is actually not the absolute best but it does produce extremely good accurate sound. I've owned top tier techniques turntables, and my current table is every bit is good. I've actually compared some of my CD's that I also have on vinyl and I can't hear a difference between the two really. So based on that I can assume that my turntable produces very good sound though it may not be an audiophile level turntable. So based on that information this is what I personally have experienced. I see what certain pressing companies have said based on what I saw in your video. From my experience I generslly don't detect any issue that would be considered inferior in colored vinyl than I would to black vinyl. I don't even hear a loss of sound quality as we near the last 1 or 2 tracks of the record because the space available is a tighter space and some experts claim that sound quality is not as good. I've actually cranked my system up or even slapped on some good headphones to see if I could hear anything like this. But I simply could not hear much of a loss in sound quality. I tested this theory comparing CD tracks to vinyl tracks that were approaching the last 10% of the record. And I simply could not hear any degradation. It sounded pretty much the same as the CD. However- I do have an album that's on transparent red vinyl and I can definitely hear some clicks and cracks here and there even though it's pretty much immaculate and it sounded like this the very 1st time I opened it and played it. It was a brand new record. And there were some clicks and pops and I have to say that I didn't think the sound quality was quite as good as a digital version. However I have various colored vinyl albums and as far as I'm able to ascertain they all sound very good. That is with the exception of clear vinyl. I don't know what it is about clear vinyl but I have several albums pressed on clear vinyl and I don't like the way they sound. You can simply tell the sound quality is a notch below the sound quality of black or any other colored vinyl. Sometimes I wonder if it has more to do with how the record is pressed. Even if it is on black vinyl. Of course one obvious possibility that even a black vinyl record may not sound good or have a lot of surface noise is how much information is packed into each side of the vinyl. I have one album on black vinyl that has too many tracks on each side of the record. It's a soundtrack so there are a lot of tracks that are 30 seconds or a minute and ten seconds. And each side is exceptionally long. The vinyl was rather thin and flimsy but I don't think that should make any difference. We can go back to a lot of David Bowie's albums from the seventies that were on RCA Dynaflex. These records were thinner and they were very bendable. Yet their sound was still excellent. So my personal experience is I don't notice any difference in sound quality having to do with the thickness of the vinyl or wether its stiffer or floppier. So the only 2 things I have discovered is record sound is badly affected if each side of the record packs too much information because naturally the grooves are not going to be as wide or deep. And secondly there's clearly an issue with clear vinyl that I have found to be true.

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing that!

I think like anything, the mastering matters more than anything. I myself love colored vinyl, if an elbum exists on color/clear I always strive to own that version. I only really buy what I love, so spending a little extra for a cool looking vinyl doesn't bug me, all of my colored vinyl are excellent pressings except for one, and it's the only one I got used. it looks clean, but plays with an insane amount of surface noise, like their are bumps everywhere in the grooves. The worst part is a payed quite a lot for that one.

"Except for a party...or something like that." love your videos bro...keep it up! :-)

Wish I'd seen this video before starting to collect color Mastodon albums (I noticed my Pinwheel colored records had pretty low Dynamic Range readings once ripped), I guess I may try to pick up black versions of those records specifically for better audio quality.

@anadialog

4 жыл бұрын

Give us some feedback if you do!

I remember when the rerelease of Amused To Death by Roger Waters came out, I was torn between the Picture Disc edition and the standard black vinyl - I opted for the latter due to the audiophile benefits and better sleeve, but I am curious to hear if the picture disc actually sounded worse or not...

@anadialog

6 жыл бұрын

The vinyl layer is so thin and unstable that apart from wear out issues I am pretty sure that also the sound will be very bad...picture discs are also in most cases press badly...just not worth it...

@Brian-qg8dg

9 ай бұрын

Never a picture disc for sound! I belive the audio is only on the picture or the Stylus has to go through the picture to get to the vinyl. In either case, they are noisy and sound bad. Only for looks

I have read that also about true clear/white translucent being the same or better than black, since black has colour added to be black

Instant sub.

Can you make video about does 180gram vinyl sound better than the lighter ones?

@anadialog

6 жыл бұрын

Why not! If you have been following me...you already know the answer...but it's a good topic!

@vinylcity1599

6 жыл бұрын

Niklas Airaksinen I think weight is important with turntables to reduce resonance, so the same should be with the record's! Makes sense!

@johnlovesbridge

5 жыл бұрын

I have records lighter than 180g and they sound better than 180s. It's a gimmick.

@timvanover8741

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnlovesbridge probably has more to do with production quality. 180 will sound better if you have the equipment that can pick up the difference. 180s hold value much better too and they are much less likely to warp.

@govertkrul3720

5 жыл бұрын

Tim Vanover I Agree about quality issues, but I’m certain about 180gr records suffer a lot more from static. Next, all my records from ‘70 and ‘80 sound good right out of the sleeve. 180gr always need some washing to eliminate pops and clicks. If I could choose I don’t think I would opt for 180gr to be honest.

Interesting video subject. I have heard in the past that in japan translucent red is considered of higher quality and was often used. Have you ever heard this claim?

@anadialog

5 жыл бұрын

Hi there! Actually no, I havent. But it is rather strange. The only other 'color' that can compete with black the pressing plants and pvc manufactures claimed, is the trasparent, natural vinyl color...

@Peterrdee

Жыл бұрын

It’s because Japan pressings have better quality that’s why

I always preferred the traditional black vinyl! But on your test, it seems the white had a little higher fidelity! That's just me!

@anadialog

6 жыл бұрын

I was amazed myself! But again..special HQ edition does make a difference. Standard color editions do present issues in most cases...

There's another advantage to black vinyl that's not mentioned. It's much easier to see the individual tracks on a black disc. Try putting the stylus down on the 2nd or 3rd track of a clear disc - it's not that easy. You can hardly see the tracks, plus - you get visual interference from the grooves on the other side.

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

True!

My experience, spontaneous reaction, is that black and transparent and maybe white sounds better .

Black is easier to see dust, and coloured is the same plastic they use so it’s really down to the mastering and cutting of the disc

The white record sounded crisp straight away

THANK YOU. I just ordered the white vinyl of Genesis's Duke, and I've been eyeing the Queen coloured vinyl box set, but as I usually do, I research after a purchase (bad habit). Indeed the white vinyl has lesser surface noise than the black one, also the advertising of the Queen box States that they used the best quality formula for each colour, and I realize they are truly delivering a great quality product. Now I need to make the test on my Duke album, white vs black. As usual, the best advice is to run tests on your own. Or watch your channel.

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Nice! Give us some feedback if you do!

Well isn't black also coloured but in black?

@anadialog

6 жыл бұрын

Technically, yes! If we consider that PVC is translucent. But black is a standard and color is a variation

Good

Please try to keep your head stationary by looking directly at the camera rather than constantly tilting your head back. Other than that, great video, as always!

@anadialog

5 жыл бұрын

You're right Steve...I'am working on that...it's a nervous thing....

@heifetz14

5 жыл бұрын

thanks for the tip,mr.kubrick.

Transparent vinyl should be the best. All my cristal clear sound awesome

I thought both records sounded very close to one another,there was no real difference

The information in this videos is great and super interesting, though I kinda get the feeling that you're missing a script. At times it feels a bit too improvisational. Nevertheless, great entry!

@anadialog

5 жыл бұрын

It is, more or less...between family, work and stuff I can't prepare too much...I do research though!

@piedradelaselvados

5 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog Yeah the research is very noticeable. Maybe a couple of papers with bulletpoints can relief the stress of having to think what to say next :)

@anadialog

5 жыл бұрын

@@piedradelaselvados well, yes, I do that often...not a script though...

One upside of colored (transparent) vinyl (i think): I believe that I experience less attraction to static when I play my transparent colored records.. Thanks for the video, your content is very helpful. ...and uhm.. ''A Night at The OperaHOUSE'' ?? ;-)

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Oops! :-)

Both

I have a friend who used to work with matris manufacturing and the whole pressing process back in the 80's. And he said that back then the black pigment was used to easier see defects and the carbon based pigment INCREASED background noise in all their measurements made at the time. This due to the carbon pigment was a bit more coarse than other pigments. But the best was by far simply transparent vinyl. My personal opinion is that for my record player with Airbearing tangential tone-arm, and basically all High-End components I cannot say that Coloured vinyl sounds different much, but Transparent colours seems better by average. I cannot confirm my friends claim that Black would be worse though. For example. All Vinyl (assuming the press isn't failed) except Picture vinyl is quiet enough that the positive noise-reducing effects of my Furutech SK-filter antistatic device is noticeable. And that is truly fantastic. When it comes to Longevity it might be a different story, but then again, Wear is significantly reduced due to my Airtangent 1b arm setup. In short: I like Coloured vinyl. It looks cool, and on my setup it sounds great, and looks even cooler: www.sdplus.com/scheutangent02.jpg

@anadialog

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience!

@Brian-qg8dg

9 ай бұрын

Wear due to playing a record with a nice cart in today's world seems a bit foolish. How many times you plan on playing that record, 1,000 times? Play 100-500 times, I bet not much of difference. And If you love the title that much, then you probably have multiple pressings of it, so share the Play time

I think too much emphasis is put on surface noise! They way people talk about it, you'd think "mild" noise here and there completely ruins the sound! You can here through noise if it's not too much noise!

Well it did just get some kind of silly chilly. **00*⁰Hey haunie

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

What?

It depends on the track really. I heard a somewhat noticeably better sound on sample 1 on black vinyl with less pops/clicks yet on sample 2 the white vinyl sounded near perfect. I also believe that the first sample is the first track on side 2 whereas the second sample is the first to last track on side 2 so it's going to sound subtly different no matter what. I was also listening to all samples thru headphones. I do remember way back when (we'll say 1986...), I owned a newly released copy of an album that was pressed on red translucent vinyl and it sounded much better than my CD copy of the same album. It was a hip-hop album btw so even on the CD, you hear clicks because they're using samples from a record anyways. I preferred the vinyl version obviously because CD mastering techniques back then used the standard 16/44.1 rate and most CD recordings were slightly inferior anyways because they lacked most of the low end present in analog recordings anyways which is kind of why we prefer analog anyways. Now, being a musician, over the years, I've used an analog source which when I first started recording, analog was super cheap where digital was super expensive. Over the years, that's been the reverse because analog machines cost more to maintain as it's antiquated and most of our budgets will dictate going full digital via recording software. No magnetic tape is involved. If you'd like, you can hear a recording I did with my last band (I'm on drums btw...heh) using the highest sampling standard available still today. The audio was passed thru an older analog board to a ProTools HD rig. Because the sample rate was so high, to me, it sounds perfect. If you want to hear for yourself, either go on here and search "dreamwire goodbye" or if you have Spotify, search the same band name (dreamwire), click on the blue & white album cover and listen to any track up to Lost Waltz (Barfly was in a different studio and different drummer with wl everything fed thru a more recent Mackie board but same ProTools parameters...also, different engineer on that track and way different room conditions akin to cheaper home recording vs. acoustically better studio room and also, I didn't upload that last track). We wanted to press this on vinyl (either a cloud blue vinyl or standard black vinyl but we didn't have enough money to do so). In closing, the actual sound quality has more to do with the recording/mastering process than it does the colour of the vinyl itself. I've owned copies of albums that were on non-translucent marbled vinyl and they sounded amazing and superior to my physical CD copies. It is really up to your own ears to decide.

The problem is that coloured records are made to be attached to the wall for fans in a lot of special editions and not to be heard, exceptions confirm the rule that the vinyl colour should not affect the sound quality.

@jamesleslie4833

6 жыл бұрын

Renato Bizziccari that's not entirely true. I've bought albums in the past where when pressed on vinyl, they only did a colored run vs a black vinyl run and also, it's the only medium it's released on. Also, unless it's a picture disk, if I buy a record, it's because I want to listen to it...I'm not going to buy a record just to show off that it's on say peach marble vinyl.

@renatob3440

6 жыл бұрын

Hi James, I know! A colorful record turning on the plate is always something beautiful, but when the quality is as amazing as the appearance makes me feel lucky to possess something precious.

@anadialog

6 жыл бұрын

Indeed! But then again...inform the public of the risks...

There are things in the hi-fi world that I consider real debates and ones I consider "snake oil" debates. That is, those differences that can be heard in blind listening tests and those that can't. And the latter is usually esoteric (and expensive) stuff. I have, at least for me, put the "color vs black" debate in the latter group. I've seen and heard a/b comparisons. I personally can not hear the difference. So, for me, it's six one and half a dozen the other. I like colored disks, but I'm not a fan of transparent discs. It's somewhat difficult to tell if you are looking at the top or bottom side of the record when trying to drop the needle between songs. But that has nothing to do with sound quality. Oh, and the difference between vinyl and "picture disks" falls into the former group. The sound quality difference is not debatable. It's obvious. It's a completely different surface material.

Only reason i got the red vinyl was because i ďont have any records that were anything but black and because my fav color is red, guess black is my fav color now,😎

@anadialog

5 жыл бұрын

🤣

I bought a red vinyl copy of the foreigner records album and i think it sounds like crap compared to the original black pressing i have, i have run it thru the liquid cleaner twice and it still sounds noisey. I doubt i will ever waste my money on colored vinyl ever again if this is how they sound.

@anadialog

5 жыл бұрын

It depends, but usually black will give you no problems as we said

Can you answer this honestly..... Behind you is the Queen boxset. The LPs in this set are every colour imagineable, including black too. My question is there any noticable difference to your ears when you listen to them? Another point Id like to make is this many many Great musicians such as Queen and Paul Macartney, Hans Zimmer, etc etc produce coloured Ltd numbered edition albums , I cannot beleive they would want their hard work/recordings to be made inferior by pressing onto coloured vinyl. why would they want this to happen. ?

@anadialog

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Swansong, watch all the video! There is a nice test in the end considering precisely the recent Queen remaster! Let us know your thoughts...

De facto white is the sum of all colors while black is the absence of color.

it shouldn't make any difference; but all my coloured pressing sound worse............maybe it's psychological

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

In the past, it did! Now things are much better, in these terms...

Mondo is working on a way to make better glitter vinyls. But i think glitter vinyl is ugly.

Yet you didnt even test your hypothesis. Im willing to bet colored degrades faster vs black with titanium oxide additives. Play a colored vs black 100x-300x. Most vynils will play fine on their first couple of plays. I play the shit out of vynils im practicing guitar along. Most people might no hear it but picture vynils sound the worst followed by translucents.

@anadialog

4 жыл бұрын

Not only I did a test at the end of the video, buying a record specifically for that, but I also contacted several manufacturers. Plus I also spell vinyls in the correct way! ;-)

Bad transfer. Sibilance all over

They sound the same.