Just finished reading war and peace and have deep sympathy for Sonya. She is a character who deserves more happiness than anybody else after what she has gone through throughout her whole life. Despite our sympathies for Sonya, we have to agree that her fate, in the end, was so real. Because good people, don't get good in return most of the time in the real world.

@leiyang477

11 ай бұрын

Sonya is not one of the characters that carry the story line, her presence is more about supporting the character of nikolai and the Rostov family. Someone above said that there are many Sonyas out there, this is true, this is also why she is given this much space as a character. This fact so many feel identified with her is a testimony to the power of the author's ability to bring someone to life. I want to echo another comment above: Russian writers are a gift to humanity, just like the art form of the serial novel that brought us a hundred years worth of epic stories from Britain, France, Germany, Russia. I hope the new generations of politicians all be required to read a few Austen, Tolstoy, Balzac, Goethe and many others....Perhaps our world will transcend the separation and be appreciative of our common humanity.

I was so torn watching War and Peace, Sonya and Marya were the sweetest and both deserved love and happiness. 🤍💔

@irrelevanttous95

2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree - I adore them both, though Marya is my fave 🤍

@nataliaedits

2 жыл бұрын

@@irrelevanttous95 Yeah, I'm happy she had such a happy ending. ☺

@Tatiana-pn8qd

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, though Maria was lucky to have money, while Sonya was poor. Money made all the difference in their fate.

@v24231

Жыл бұрын

@@Tatiana-pn8qd Alas... Both Sonya and Maria are equally my favourite female characters in the novel, even not Natasha at all... Yet Sonya clearly did not deserve such an unenviable fate.

@user-gy8ib3rw2s

Жыл бұрын

@@v24231 как странно. Читаю много лет различные обсуждения - больше всех любят именно Соню и Марью. Неужели везде так

Bravo to Tolstoy for embracing all the complications of life.

@v24231

Жыл бұрын

Agree absolutely. Otherwise, the novel might turn into a sugary melodrama. Yet I feel sorry so bad for Sonya - why Lev Nikolaevich had treated her so cruel! She clearly didn't deserve to be a servant.

Astonishing first major screen performance by Jessie Buckley as Marya. Absolutely beautiful characterisation. And I'm 400 pages into Tolstoy's novel because of her.

@leiyang477

11 ай бұрын

I must say, i am totally captivated by her portrayal of Marya, I have been watching this clip of Marya and Nikolai over and over, my new go to of a "pick me up"----the most Austenian ending in a Tolsotyan novel.

@michellemckinney6894

2 ай бұрын

Beautifully done!

I'm crying for Sonya. She deserves more happiness than Natasha who has done nothing for others whereas sonya's whole life is spent on self sacrifice

@susivarga7303

Жыл бұрын

Which should actually teach you a valuable lesson about martyrdom and always putting yourself last. That's how you end up. Uninteresting, forgotten.

@v24231

Жыл бұрын

I echo to you Marikit. After reading the novel, the first question immediately had arisen: "Lev Nikolaevich, well, why did you treat Sonya so cruel!?" Yet I think that initially Sonya was destined for a different fate, a happier one. It remains a mystery to me what made the writer turn such a vivid image into an ordinary servant.

@susivarga7303

Жыл бұрын

@@v24231 because the writer is not... Dickensian. He's Russian. And there are millions of Sonyas all around us, who deserve better but are incapable of handling their own lives. She could have gotten a decent husband after the war. But she wanted to hang on to someone who was not really committed to her. Because it was just... easier. Martyrdom.

@v24231

Жыл бұрын

@@susivarga7303 I mostly agree. Above I just described my adolescent emotions immediately after reading the book back in 1966. Naturally, over the years, the image of Sonya began to be perceived by me in a different way. Yet Tolstoy, I deem, originally intended Sonya to have a better fate.

@susivarga7303

Жыл бұрын

@@v24231 I guess we'll never know. And yes, as a teen I wanted everyone to have an Austen ending too ( back then I just ignored the spinsters in her novels and concentrated on the lovely heroines ). But now I understand Sonya's fate better and the moment she said she will love Nikolay all her life regardless of how he feels - I know she was doomed. She was incapable of growing, maturing and accepting her life with its limits and make the best of it. With Natasha's and Nikolai's new lives, she actually could have gotten a small dowry and a decent husband.

It's.... Gosh I have no words! It's so very beautiful! I want to rewatch it and read it more than ever now!

@irrelevanttous95

2 жыл бұрын

Ahhh, thank you so much! I’m glad you liked it! You definitely should, I adore the series and the book is amazing, too!

I´m remembering a quote of "Legend of fall" that fixs so well with Sonya" Forever was too long".

I cannot wait to see this! I always felt real sad for Sonya, but I do love Marya very much! I haven't read the books yet though I really want to! I think I'd have to, in order to really know who I ship! 😊

@irrelevanttous95

2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree, Sonya is so unfortunate and I feel terrible for her… she always has to sacrifice everything and then - as the book describes beautifully - doesn’t even get her reward - Nikolai - in the end. But Marya is my favourite, and I wanted her to be happy at all cost… that was literally my main focus when I read the book, so I’m glad she got her happy ending! Thank you for letting me know your thoughts, I can’t wait to find out what you think about this edit, dear

@v24231

Жыл бұрын

Do read, just read the novel. Ever so precious one! As wel as one more Tolstoy's chef'doeuvre "Anna Karenina".

@lilitifrock

Жыл бұрын

@@v24231 I hope I will someday soon! 😊

that was BEAUTIFUL!!!

@irrelevanttous95

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much ❤️

I guess I’m the only one who hated Nikolai…well maybe not hate, but he definitely didn’t deserve either of them. Sonya was foolish to waste herself away waiting on him and Marya deserved someone who actually loved her without social pressures. This series was so frustrating but I guess it has all the complexities of life and the times.

@muzzy492

9 ай бұрын

It´s harder to find people who did like him

@felipeemanuel5790

Ай бұрын

But Nikolai truly loved her without social pressure, he didn't want to marry with her for a time because she didn't want to marry a rich woman, but he truly fell in love for her when they first met.

I have no idea at all about this story. Now i know, i will surely search, read or watch it.

@irrelevanttous95

2 жыл бұрын

You totally should, it’s such a great story. And I do love the BBC series, it’s actually quite true to the source material! Thank you for watching 🤍

Соня не заслужила такой судьбы! Это несправедливо, Лев Николаевич!

Well done

Qual foi esse episódio que ela pegou o cara no flagra? Kkkk

where can i watch it

5:12 and following is one of the most beautiful scenes.

@michellemckinney6894

4 ай бұрын

Yes so beautiful!! When she puts her face in her hands “if you only knew how long I’ve waited for you!” My eyes just watered… 🥹🥹 She completely becomes a more vibrant person the minute he enters her life during the peasant uprising.

This is very sweet couple ❤😊

@leiyang477

11 ай бұрын

The couple everyone wish to have in their family.

❤какие времена честь прежде всего

i think the honorable thing that the princess could have done is invite sonja to parties where she can also meet a partner who could provide for her. .....she let the princess marry the man she loved so if i was the princess that is what i would do.

@felipeemanuel5790

Ай бұрын

In the book, Sonya didn't want to marry nobody that wasn't Nikolai, and if he chose another woman, she would die single, she said that since the beginning of the story, maybe the show failed to show that, but it was her choice.

I really hate that they kiss in that scene at the end. They dont in the book and i think that makes the scene much more powerful. Its like they both know how the other feel they just dont know how to express it to the other partly because of pride partly because they are afraid the other one has lost feelings and partly because niether one has felt that way about someone before. But the moment Marya tells Nikolaj that she misses what they had nothing more needs to be said. In the book they just stand there looking at eachother with a look that express All the things they want to show: love, understanding, relief, gratitude. But anyways havent watched the series her maybe its great wtf do i know

@leiyang477

11 ай бұрын

Written words leave a lot to our imagination, even if it is full of detail, action, it is written symbol, the visual depends on our capacity to SEE. Movie and TV are different medium, see how this 5 minute montage tells us the whole story of Marya and Nikolai's love story? So sometime they resort to bolder visual image to communicate a powerful message. It is far less subtle and meandering...I definitely love the book version.

@MFuria-os7ln

11 ай бұрын

I think that written words are always the best - and Tolstoj always knows how to suggest what will happen...anyway in a movie you often choose to show what follows, so there is no doubt left.

Джеку Лаудену , очень русская военная форма,так же национальная одежда русских.Русская классина-она бессмертна.Лучшая экранизация "Война и мир"❤️❤️❤️

I understand everything but girls having male forms of surnames... I cant take it. Princess Bolkonskii, really? she is BolkonskAYA

for Russians, such series look very strange. In the sense that clothes, nature and everything else look different than in that novel and in life

I dont like Sonia, she shose to be a victim

@Tatiana-pn8qd

Жыл бұрын

She didn’t choose it because she had no choice.

@leiyang477

11 ай бұрын

Read some of George Elliot's novels, like "Middle March", you might enjoy her characters, more complexity, character development, more psychological, and there are always some sort of self propelled transcendence.

@leiyang477

11 ай бұрын

Tolstoy's characters are often the products of their life's circumstances, with certain amount of inherent temperament in the mix. Russia is vast, and was going through momentous social and political reform during his life time. His ultimate character is Russian society----a more sweeping, gargantuan, mosaic like creation, his human and family characters are the small pieces that form the larger mosaic. Whereas a George Elliot book tend to let a few deeply sketched characters mirror the society at large. Different focus and interests on the authors' part. I adore Tolstoy above all. No one writes like him. His books are timeless, his characters can easily live in today's society, their struggles are our struggles.