I been engineering 30 years.. N these 2 mics sound very simular.. close enough to keep $9000 In my pocket!

@future_Victoryofficial

Жыл бұрын

You are right brother

@iAMphyr

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for this comment ❤

@officialWWM

9 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@manykzdj792

4 ай бұрын

what about golden age GA8000? is it better then warm audio? thanks

I’ve wanted to hear these mics compared side by side for a long time. Thanks heaps for this video man. Much love from Australia

Thank you. Great comparison clips and setup. cheers

Great comparison I'm actually a Nashville native artist and have worked with alot of the artist you have, so it's cool to see. I've had my eyes on the warm audio since they dropped it to add to my mic collection. And think that with some EQ repair it can sound similar. Obviously the the Sony is outside my price range so would be out of the question but would be a dream mic for sure.

@manykzdj792

4 ай бұрын

what about golden age GA8000? is it better then warm audio? thanks

Excellent shootout!

I respect Warm Audio so much I can't believe they came this close 🤯

@flavormusic523

4 ай бұрын

What i hear whenever i hear WA 8000 is that i hear a upgrade and a better sounding mic than sony c800g, it sounds full without sounding muddy like the sony c800G does on some vocals. Even Kanye said it himself, that some vocals he found sounding muddy after recording some tracks on the sony c800G, and the Wa 8000 sounds full without sounding muddy and i think it is a great thing.

@manykzdj792

4 ай бұрын

what about golden age GA8000? is it better then warm audio? thanks @@flavormusic523

Next to each other you can hear the differences, however, you put that Warm mic in a mix and it sounds good enough to me!

The warm needs a volume raise in the mix, it's sitting better volume wise with the Sony but you can get it there with very little work with that warn. One needs some de ess and the other needs some volume to make it closer. Warm is killing it in the price per dollar and quality per dollar.

cool comparison. would like to see one with the cm800t would be just as interesting

These weren't recorded at the same level. Adding gain to the Warm Audio post-recording definitely would add to the feeling that it's less full/present. The transients are at least 30% larger (in the first example at least). Still a wonderful video though! I just want to point out that the WA had a disadvantage right off the bat

@Joelfrancis

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@saven_music

11 ай бұрын

Just wanted to write the same comment

@manykzdj792

4 ай бұрын

what about golden age GA8000? is it better then warm audio? thanks

immediately felt the warmth and smoother presence to me on the 800. The warm was a lil more harsh and felt a little less beefy to me. But still not bad for either eq or saturation you can add to it. Wish I could only afford the 800g though haha. Nice test fam.

@feeltripforever

9 ай бұрын

Disagree. To me the sibilants on the Sony sounded harsher. But overall I like the mids on the Sony better.

@SwaySyde

9 ай бұрын

Yeah the wa8000 actually sounded better to me.. also the Sony looked like it was recorded a tad louder, check the waveform sizes.. i could hear the difference but just sayin.. the sibilance was more on the Sony too.

@manykzdj792

4 ай бұрын

what about golden age GA8000? is it better then warm audio? thanks

@Harvey-te9fg

2 ай бұрын

I'm convinced you niggas just be talking. The 8000 actually sounds somewhat better. Could be a tube issue with the 800g but all in all they damn near sound the same. You don't no smoother nothing you just talking nigga

The Warm doesn't sound like the real deal, but it's such a good mic for that price. I bought it as a good €1,300 mic, not as a C800G replacement.

First - thank you for making a real unbiased, straight to the point video. I’ve watched several and didn’t get true information! Great video 10/10. My take away - I like the Sony better - but not by much - like u said - the WA is about 80 percent away - I think adding an eq and taking the low mid frequency’s down a half a db and raising the mid high range a half a db you would have an identical sound of the Sony! For a fraction of the price I think Warm Audio did amazing. I wouldn’t truly know that without this video - great job bro!

@soulvibesllc

Жыл бұрын

73 pre +Eq would do the job 😊

@manykzdj792

4 ай бұрын

what about golden age GA8000? is it better then warm audio? thanks

I’ve never had an opportunity to try the Sony but I’ve owned the GA-8000 and the warm. The warm wasn’t in the same league, it was an easy choice for me. I ran them both thru a Bae 1073 and a 737.

Finally a good comparison between these 2.

I think one problem with this test, just looking at the waveforms, was that the Sony was a little louder. Volume will really affect your perception of frequencies.

@FPfutureplan

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@montanamaxxamillion

Жыл бұрын

the sony records up to 140db while the warm does 131-134 omni…i suspect if the gain was raised about 3-6db on the warm, they’d sound even more similar

@Joelfrancis

Жыл бұрын

Yup

Simply put: Test #1 - RAP TEST: For Rap the sibilances are way more noticable and dare i say they are sticking out on the sony mic where as the WA-8000 might be complimenting spoken word and rap a little more . Then again slight eq and your job is done. Test #2 - Sining Test: Personally for singing i 100% prefer the sony mic rather than the WA8000 hands down. So much presence, brightness and clarity in the sony mic in terms of singing. Then again you are paying 10x the price . I must say very amazing job from Warm Audio Kudos, and thank you for providing the video comparison!

For everyone getting the "new" Sony's they only have one(1) tube in the power supply and they are not 6ua6a. Appreciate the video Czar.

@starchild2712

Жыл бұрын

Yes! NOS 6AU6 tubes are used in Wa 8000.

I have a apogee symphony interface, a Neve Shelford and a real Sony C800G. My gear dreams are fulfilled!!!!

@rage_fusion

2 жыл бұрын

That must sound crazy good

@beyondalldreams

Жыл бұрын

that's literary my dream mic set up

@rage_fusion

Жыл бұрын

And by ‘real’ do you mean the new version the old Michael Jackson version. ?

May need to make adjustments in post if you want it to sound 100% the same, but the 8000 can still stand tall on its own. Both sound super modern I’m stoked to use mine once my cold goes away lol.. Came in the mail yesterday. Another game changer!

This mic to me is great if it can go toe to toe with a 10k mic then its doing its job 🔥

Could you compare the WA-8000 to the Sphere L22 with the C800G emulation?

warm + bae 1073 will give you all you need to get that sound like Sony!

Nice vocals!

Sounds like we need to cut some of harsh high end off the Warm Audio, but they are very close.

That's funny cause I recognized the warm audio mic before you revealed it cause on every shoot out comp I've heard, the warm audio version was alway more bright.

Also you can run through a transformer 2:1 ratio Souter transformer box to get extra warmth out of the warm

Would like to see your review the Sony c100 as well!

On the female vocal, the Sony just shines! Could immediately feel more life out of it. Are these both with no EQ, Comp, FX, etc. on the chain (outside of the verb)?

@TheAudioCzar

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. I normally mention that but maybe I forgot to. But no other processing on the vocal except for a little reverb

@fantaztikbeatz

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks you asked the question I was gonna ask aboit processing.

Simone! sweet sultry talented on anything, here she’s working both entries but you gotta take alot of the credit son Any clarity issues you can tame in post I like my Shelford channels for the pre and the onboard eq or the a pultec with her voice and the neve bridge also on the channel strip or UA 1176 to hit the tips 👍🏾

thanks for video

I use Slate Digital’s Fresh Air to add high end to vocals so I would prefer a mic with more warmth. This is cool, glad I don’t need the Sony just yet😂

@TheAudioCzar

2 жыл бұрын

Lol. I got the fresh air and never used it. Honestly forgot about it.

I´m sitting here in mein Studio with AKG K812 on and I like the Warm more. The balance is better. The Sony is to bright. But the Warm got lees definition in the lows. But i like it. Maybe it’s good acomplishment to my Golden Age 251 Mk2 and the Mojave MA200. I guess...

C'mon on the female vox the warm is actually sounding nice, warmer, more integrated in the song. More clarity or highs is not aways better. And if you really want it eq some air in it with a maag or avalon for example and put a little low mids out with a dynamic bell eq band, for example in pro-q3 Thanks for the comparison! Ps: you can hear and see that the sony has higher peaks which can be easily be perceived as more clarity as well

A good ear can bring these mics to almost incomparable levels using outboard gear (or plug ins)...And that 'good ear' is hearing what the VAST MAJORITY of consumers wouldn't notice on playback (as evidenced by pop music today).

What Vocal chain were you using for that ? I just bought a WA-8000 and I have an Apollo Twin x Quad core that I run Neve 1073 in my unison - Tube Tech CL1B - LA2A. The Rap vocals are similar the Sony is In my opinion way better for a more polished professional sound but if you know what you're doing in post with the Mixing I believe the WA-8000 can get much much closer to that perhaps with some saturation and some eq and of course the Right vocal chain and great Raw Recording. I'm finding that to get the best out of these High Quality Mic's you need to be in a sound treated environment because if not they will def pick up Floor noise. Dope Video! I will Def checking out more of your content great Job CZAR lol happens to be my name too.

@TheAudioCzar

Жыл бұрын

mic was going into a miktek mpa-201

they wasnt lying about having a boost at around 250 for the WA i could tell the difference but with that boost u might just have an exact replica

Either one will get u there, u can add shimmer. Choose the less siblant mic

Knowing that I will do post processing, the differences are negligible. It's the best clone I've heard.

Wa800g really shines in the Omni position. No reflective filter just a treated room and a nice pre going through a La2a style compressor

@AndyKingCo

2 жыл бұрын

Why do you like omni I better than cardioid?

@hepphepps8356

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyKingCo The C800g famously sounds absolutely best in omni.

@AndyKingCo

2 жыл бұрын

@@hepphepps8356 ok I’m not crazy then, my first recording with it was on omni mode than I switched to cardioid thinking it was the right way just to realize now that first recording sounded the best lol

I want to know what would happen if you plugged the Warm Audio WA-8000 into the Sony C800G power supply would the tubes in the C800G's power supply make a difference?

@SoundScienceMediaWorks

7 ай бұрын

Potentially catastrophic. The warm used wholesale source components to make it competitive . They modeled the circuit to the establish budget’s potential , but there is almost definitely a significant difference in what the power supply is putting out . Better off letting a circuit guru from one of these companies handle the mod and upgrade the inferior capacitors and possibly even the tube .

the beat and vocals in the first audio example are so good..... released anywhere?

@sinslap_

11 ай бұрын

The first beat is a j cole song

If you get a 1 or a half inch closer to the warm 8000 then you can capture the beefy low mids more. Throw the waves exciter on the warm audio parallel and there you go.

Yea her emotions came out with the Sony c800g. The Warm doesn't cut threw like the Sony.

I have a C800G and I have a problem with it being too boomy (proximity effect). My vocal chain is C800G-BAE1073-TTCL1B. I’ve recorded from further distances (10-12 inches from the mic) and still get the same results. Maybe it’s the CL1B bringing up the low end information? I have the high pass filter on the 1073 set to 160hz. I’ll record some takes without the compressor in and see what kinda results I get. Any other recommendations?

@ivanrepin70

Жыл бұрын

‘Boominess’ would come from the 200-400hz range so I guess I would play around some more with the 1073 filter and eq if your neve pre has an eq on it. Also idk what room you’re in but it’s hard to absorb that low information so try moving the mic around the room or a different room entirely and at least confirm that’s not the issue.

@carlosbrown3591

Жыл бұрын

@@ivanrepin70 my room is treated pretty well. I record with the high pass filter on 160. I looked at the position of the mic today and noticed that it was angled down pointing towards my chest. Maybe that’s it!?! I’ll try tilting it back pointing upwards and see how that sounds.

@ivanrepin70

Жыл бұрын

@@carlosbrown3591 even if you think your room is well treated there can still be weird resonances, move the mic around the room or at different angles and a/b the results

@dpmusic21

Жыл бұрын

I bet its the CL1b adding that boominess. Its a really heavy and thick sound processor. You might want to try something that is a little bit more cleaner sounding or at least less boomy for your compression control.

I purchased a c800 tube and put in wa-8000.. pretty close

Really enjoyed the Warm Audio on her vocals! --- too bright on the sony for her voice

That Sony had amazing presence. Crisp clarity.

Have u tried the Advanced Audio Cm800t?

Can you please do a video like this comparing the tlm 103 and the u87ai ?

@TheAudioCzar

2 жыл бұрын

I don't have a U87 but I do plan on doing a video shooting out the TLM with the vanguard V4, Mojave ma-50, and maybe Roswell Delphos II

Would you recommend the warm over the lauten la 320, Rosewell or vanguard v4? Thank you please answer.

@TheAudioCzar

2 жыл бұрын

For vocals Roswell colares over the rest. Still one of my favorite mics on vocals. But it depends on the tone your after. Lauten, warm, will be brighter, v4 is neutral.

@DevranDProductions

2 жыл бұрын

I want something bright but don’t harsh! Can I get Roswell in Germany or Europe in a store ? If not, warm or lauten ? Because they are available here.

Wa is an awesome mic for the price!!

Not gonna lie, I think I actually prefer the Warm Audio. Especially on the high end.

Question is now that you compared them. Would you pay 10,000 for the Sony? 🧐

@TheAudioCzar

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't, I feel I can get a mic under $2,000 that would still give me great results.

@saintclarityakacasanovabro7992

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!!!!!!!!

@rage_fusion

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAudioCzar what about the c 100?

@TheAudioCzar

2 жыл бұрын

@@rage_fusion I've never used the C1000

@adilgoodfriend1

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

You should do a video of how to eq these vocals to match the sound of the Sony C800G. As you stated, the Warm 8000 is 80% there. I do have the Warm 8000. Ima have it modified with a new transformer, tube, and touch up the circuitry.

@drillgirl718

2 жыл бұрын

do u have a tutorial how to do that?

run this through a neve style 73 preamp and then into an opto compressor 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

@reddvest

2 жыл бұрын

Faaaacts! Thats my chain with the WA 8000.

Transients are much nicer on the C800G and there's some peaky shit happening in the top of the Warm but with that said if you sent me either to mix I'd have no complaints.

Personally I think the Sony handled S’s way better. It was bright but way smoother. The Warm Audio sounded like it has a bump in Sibilance to make up for a lack of body and warmth. Just my 2 cents

Microphone Proximity should be at least 3 feet from the mic

The C800 was super obvious to me from the jump. Much warmer much more smooth sound with nearly 0 harshness. Don't know if it's a $9000 difference...in fact, I know it's not. I have the WA8000 and get great results!

Lauten Audio LA 320, WA 8000, lewitt 840, vanguard v4 , which one for singing and rapping - male vocals ???

@TheAudioCzar

2 жыл бұрын

I have the Lauten LA320 and Vanguard, I'd go for Vanguard V4, its the most nuetral, I like the Lauten LA320 but it is on the brighter side.

@run3157

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAudioCzar thank you so much, but a dont want a neutral mic, i had an u87 and other neutral mics, i want something bright but dont harsh when it comes to sss´es and that 3d sound found in tube mics. And i mean a mic which cuts thru the mix. If that is the case i really would test the vanguard v4 out. What is you opinion? i am making trap, pop, reaggy tone styles.

@jermaineflowers1538

Жыл бұрын

I have the lewitt 840, it’s a beast especially for smoothness in low mids.

@run3157

Жыл бұрын

@@jermaineflowers1538 I got the wa8000 now for about 5 months and I am very happy.

When you reviewed the Warm initially, you said that you didnt believe the warm sounded like the sony. So you still feel that way?

@TheAudioCzar

2 жыл бұрын

When I said that it did make it seem like I meant it wasn't close at all. What I should have said is that it doesn't sound exactly like it. I feel like I can tell the difference in a blind shootout.

@MinisterTravis

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAudioCzar Got cha! If you can see if you can get a Ga8000 for comparison next!

@reddvest

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAudioCzar I hear the difference too. The Sony is not worth the price difference which is why I went on to grab the WA.

I can’t believe how some people are saying the Warm came so close to the Sony. There’s a noticeable difference

I’m an artist here in Nashville and I’ve sang through a c800g I’m telling y’all there’s nothing that compares to it

@ignacedhont9816

Жыл бұрын

Right. A Sony C100 with a tube pre comes close though.

@addisoninnisss

Жыл бұрын

@@ignacedhont9816 there’s just something abt the something that makes it sound massive no other mic I’ve sang through does that… maybe the 251

@MixGodMusic

11 ай бұрын

Have you sang through the wa8000?

I feel like with a couple adjustments Warm Audio could nail it.

I'll be honest, I liked the character more on the WA on the singing vox. Felt more intimate to me

Is this song out yet? Dude 🔥 with it.

@TheAudioCzar

Жыл бұрын

I believe it is

The difference was very apparent on the female vocal

we all can clearly hear why the sony is 10x the price ;) much more smoother on the higher mids and overall more consistent

My opinion, it’s not worth the price difference. The amount of other things you could do with the savings is crazy!

To me they sound totally different and could hear it straight away . Sony sounds way more natural and gives that 3d sound which is almost life like . wa800 on the other hand has some phase smearing at highs & high mids which makes it sound way more artificial . still usable but its not replacing Sony . I think main reason why , is the capsule . there isn't a company yet who figured out how to tune k67 like Sony does . it takes tons of R&D to get it right . hope someone will come up with something close to it .

They are close but warm audio has harshness on the sibilance …Sony smooth on the high end

Ok so, the mics sound different but it’s all good! The WA8000 gives that modern sound and is fantastic on its own. Warm Audio could sell this mic for 3-4K easy.

Cant believe i like more the warm

there is so little difference, wa-8000 + uad neve 1073/1084 and its a banger

i guessed which was which before the 2nd track even played. The WA 8000 is too bright of a mic to sound like a c800 g.

low key actually preferred the hotter raspier vocal take on the cheaper mic, thats crazy. Listening on studio speakers and studio headphones.

Sony 7:07 Warm audio 7:49

To me they are toally different. I didn't find the WA capturing that character. It was good... but could have been anything.

The WA 8000 audio is a tid bit warmer.

I can't get the Raw vocals there but W-8000 is my

close but the 800 is more warm and smooth

I like the warm better, the Sony top end is to sharp ,but really minor differences that a eq can't fix, but on the female the warm sounded better

@dannydooby

2 жыл бұрын

Bro I see your comments on alot of videos I watch, please with your expert opinion what mic and preamp do you suggest I get. I currently have the stam sa-800g on reserve but I'm starting to get tired of waiting

@commonsense5188

2 жыл бұрын

@@dannydooby From what I've seen you could be waiting for that stam for a MINUTE. To hell with that, at least that's my personal take. I grabbed a WA-8000 a couple months ago to replace my TLM-102 as my main vocal mic. Zero complaints. I run it through a BAE 1073MPF which is fucking brilliant. If you're going the c800 clone route, I suggest a 1073 style preamp. Of course when it comes to mics you'll get 15,000 different opinions so be wary of that. In my area, besides guitar center there aren't any places that let you try out any worth mics besides the usual budget suspects and the only studio in the area is shit. So I had to dig and dig and dig, read hundred of forum posts, listen to tons of shootouts etc etc and decided on the WA-8000 and luckily it was a solid pick for me being I didn't get to test it out before buying.

@dannydooby

2 жыл бұрын

@@commonsense5188 Thanks so much for your response. Yea Stam keeps playing around by moving the date around. Looking at the Warm they've used the same parts. I'm bout to take the same route as you WA-8000 then the BAE 1073. Thanks again

@dannydooby

2 жыл бұрын

@@commonsense5188 Hey one more thing what converters do you use?

@commonsense5188

2 жыл бұрын

@@dannydooby I'm running everything through my Audient ID22. I bought this particular unit because it's one of the only sub 1,000 buck interfaces where you can actually bypass the internal preamps. With that said, the burr brown preamps are the same as their consoles if you wanted a cleaner vocal take for a certain application. Great conversion, great control, free desktop app to do direct monitoring while recording, set up cue mixes etc etc. I would buy another one tomorrow if my current id22 were to die today.

What preamp were you using?

@TheAudioCzar

Жыл бұрын

Miktek MPA201 and Avalon 737 I think, don't remember. I say what preamp I'm using in the video though

I want something bright but don’t harsh! Do you mean the mini k67x ? Can I get Roswell in Germany or Europe in a store ? If not, warm or lauten ? Because they are available here.

@TheAudioCzar

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure if roswell is in germany, but the Roswell Colares is their flagship mic. between the warm and lauten I'd go Latuen if you don't want too bright. Miktek C7 is another option thats bright and smooth.

@DevranDProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the answer I had a microtech Gefell m 930 and a Manley reference c before but I wasn’t satisfied with them.

female song name ?

Wa800 is a great mic!!!! But the Sony is the best mic in the world!!!! Didn’t know it was this much of a difference

@tomigran4649

Жыл бұрын

😂

If you don't have 10k, the C8K is a great mic.

The best way I can describe what you hear when comparing legacy mics to copies, is that the copy always sounds like there’s something missing or something needs to be adjusted. The legacy will always just sound right. Whatever folks are doing these days to produce microphones should just stop and go back to how they did it before. All of these materials are still available in abundance today and still cheap lol.

do u got the raw vocals?

@TheAudioCzar

2 жыл бұрын

what your hearing is the raw vocal. none of the vocals any eq or compression

The Sphere is a better match to the C800G ... I tried the WA-800... and even owned a C800. But for your money, the Universal Audio Sphere DLX is the way to go.

the wa sounds warmer in the low and less high,the difference is tiny

i liked the WA more hhhh the highs sound more 3d

Put the right parts (correct Sony tube, main capacitor, and upgrade to the official Sony capsule) inside the WA 8000 and you’ll be blown away how much closer it sounds like a c800g. Unbelievable results!!!

@nicholasmeredith522

2 жыл бұрын

Did u do this?

@themfcnetwork

2 жыл бұрын

​@@nicholasmeredith522 Had nothing to do with this at all. Great guy, and great comparison. Looks like a stock WA 8000 vs a stock Sony c800g. Once the WA 8000 is upgraded with the correct tube, main capacitor, and official Sony capsule both microphones sound a lot closer to each other because the WA 8000 is an exact copy of the c800g circuit and the internal parts are even almost in the exact same position on the circuit board, the WA 8000 mic body is an exact copy of the c800g just with different brands of internal parts than what Sony is using and without the Peltier tube cooling system but both mics run at about the same temperature during our testing

@run3157

2 жыл бұрын

With which tube can I replace the stock tube? What’s the name of the tube which I have to buy ?

I could literally tell from the first few words he spit that the first one was the Warm mic. Sounded harsh and not very clear or bright.

Who is the female singer❓What a beautiful voice❣

@TheAudioCzar

Жыл бұрын

6:26

@stupendousmusic4190

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAudioCzar Thank you

Not only is the sound of the Sony 800 G is worth the price tag. It’s having a piece of history!!!! In the music industry it’s a relic

@realtalkroscoeg

2 жыл бұрын

U67 beats it

@rage_fusion

Жыл бұрын

@@realtalkroscoeg you reckon?

who is the female singer?????

@TheAudioCzar

11 ай бұрын

6:31

C800 just blows WA out of the water. It really is the GOAT mic.

The Sony has more top end but not enough to justify the hefty price tag.