Peter, your timing is impeccable. Thanks for the solid analysis.

You make all this information easier to comprehend, thanks

Great video Peter. The room looks great .I have the beam gen2 and a sub mini . I am springing for the Sonos Ones .Always great to listen to your videos keep it up and Happy new year

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Happy new year too Peter! When you add the Ones, you will start looking over your shoulder. :)

I just bought a sub mini for my pair of ones, it’s really nice. Thank you for the video.

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked them! Wondering if you are itching for a sound bar to try it paired to the setup you have now. :)

Thank you for doing this comparison. I have been debating these exact set-ups for a while. I had 1 Sonos Five and have several Sonos Ones, so wasn't sure which way to go. I finally bought my 2nd Sonos Five yesterday and then saw this video in my feed and thought...oh no, hopefully I didn't go in the wrong direction. I totally forgot about the audio input on the Fives...that is a great benefit and will have to remember to use it from time to time. Another great video as always.

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Glad you got the Fives. The Fives are unbeatable for stereo music, within the Sonos offering.

@j_owens6208

Жыл бұрын

@Peter Pee I traded my home theater system out for the Sonos Arc and Sonos Sub. Was thinking about the Sub mini, so I put the Sub I have on 3 Sonos Ones but it felt off. I cranked up the Five I have and the bass was there then saw your other video about a pair of Fives. So I think it's the right move and I owe it to you. Thank you again.

Great video and comparison on options, thank you!

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Gotta do this with era 100s now

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Ya man... So many videos to make!

@periversen8486

7 ай бұрын

​@@PeterPeeWhen will this be done? 😁

@techtime2922

4 ай бұрын

Am I really screwing myself not adding replacing my one sl’s for my two arcs and 3 beams with the era 300’s? Like is the sound significantly worse? Fwiw in a small room the arc and sub mini alone sounds amazing for 360 degree Atmos spatial sound effects. Literally sounds way better than the arc with one sl’s in a bigger room. I think the room is to big for the atmos to work. But dam does it work in the smaller room. Wife just ordered one sl’s for that room and I am afraid they may make the arc 3d atmos sound sound worse? Because I’ve heard it changes the channels on the arc when you add surrounds?

Great video Peter as always. Agree that the Ones are due for an update, even if it’s a new gen update. Also for the Arc that’s being challenged by the Beam gen2 mini combo.

Wonderful..!!! Thank you.

Thank you Peter , I like this episode 😍

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Good advice 👍🏼

I don’t feel that the Fives delivers at low volume, you need to increase the volume. But the ones paired to the sub mini will deliver quality at lower and at high volume.

Thanks!

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Hi Patrick! Thanks for the kind contribution!

underrated channel!

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! :)

perfect timing, thanks Peter! Got an Sonos 5 for 250 € today and a sub mini for 190 €. Thanks to your review I know that I'll sell the sub mini and get another five instead. Thanks!

I agree 100% as someone who did the same test at home. The sound quality is definitely better with the 5s. I ended up going with the Ones with a sub Mini because I primarily combine the sun with my beam Gen 2 and use my Sonos amp with floor standing speakers for SQ audio.

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your use case. Yes, there is more flexibility when you get the ones with sub mini.

Danke!

Great video..!!ª! Thank you. How about these cases but with the Sonos Sub..? (the regular v3 full size sub)

@peter so glad I found your channel. Since the holiday I found your channel and have purchased two era 300’s, a sub mini, and 2 era 100’s. I have two more rooms to fill. Love all my purchases so far. My observations is the pair of era 100’s punch well above their weight when paired with the sub. But I really want a pair of 5’s. Only reason I have been holding back is now at the top of 2024 is there any advisable reason to NOT go with the 5’s? I’ve seen many of your reviews and understand all the features quite well. Only asking since it’s now a couple of years since you made these videos. Have to say again I really appreciate the detail and depth of your videos as it has helped me as a consumer quite a lot!

In surround setup which of these two is a good add for rear

Have a Sonos beam gen 2. Would you recommend the sub mini or one of the new era products to compliment it?

I can't wait for the new Optimos to come out. It'll be nice to see how those compare to the Sonos Ones and Sonos Fives.

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Well yes if they are launching that it has to be better. Right?

@bigalfantasy

Жыл бұрын

​@@PeterPee That might be true. I've read it's more about showcasing Dolby Atmos and adding Bluetooth. I'm thinking they will be very close to the Fives and Ones with non-Dolby Atmos content. I hope they stay at a similar price point or cheaper if we're lucky. Great content, by the way.

@marcofranco6974

Жыл бұрын

Its called the 'Sonos Era'

Great content Peter! Keep it up! Also, can you make a video on Sonos Arc With Sub Gen 3 and two SL and after that it would be better to add Sub Mini or Sun Gen 3.?

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

You can't add a sub mini into a dual sub setup. So your only option for a dual sub is to add another Sub gen 1,2 or 3.

@rampyrs

Жыл бұрын

@@PeterPee thanks Peter! I currently have Sonos Setup arc sub and surrounds and your videos help a lot to tune it.

Hi, thank you for this review. Could you do this review with the big Sonos sub and 2 one sl's? And then compare then to the five's and the new era 100 and 300 ;-) Would be greatly appreciated

Two Fives together with the Sub mini has two primary benefits. The Fives paired with the Sub mini sound slightly richer, perhaps due to increased frequency response due to the cross over AND the sound stage is more cohesive with the addition of the Sub mini. Plus I was able to use the upgrade pricing so the Sub mini was actually under $300 US.

@mikokways

Жыл бұрын

You used only one sub mini with the pair of fives?

@luisvillanueva35

9 ай бұрын

So far...was it Worth it to pair a sub mini with your fives??? I'm on the fence here...help!!

I just wish Sonos would add the software to the sub mini to allow me to pair it to my move stereo pair 🙏🙏🙏

Thanks for the video Peter. I have 1 x 5 in the lounge connected to my 30yr old stereo which works well. Considering buying another 5 so you have answered my question there. I find that when I pair the 5 with the Arc in another room (whilst connected via Aux to amplifier/turntable) the volume on the arc is not great. Is there any fix for that? Streamed music is not a problem when paired. Same volume from both.

@denisesmith1542

Жыл бұрын

When I looked at buying another 5 I discovered it would have to be the same model Gen 2 to pair as a stereo. Fortunately found one in great condition second hand. Very happy. Would be worth telling people as it seems it is not clear in the Sonos information at first glance.

I'm curious how a pair of Era 300's with a sub mini would compare to the pair of Fives...

I have a pair of Fives with a Sub Gen 3 in my lounge which sound awesome. I also have the Beam gen 2 with One SL surrounds and the Sub mini as my HT set up. Having these all in the same room means I can use the mic on the Beam to control the Fives which is great. Would love to see a comparison of a pair of Fives with both subs - to see the difference :)

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

For the Fives, you can't pair dual subs. Dual subs are for home theatre setups only.

@MrPT98

Жыл бұрын

@@PeterPee I think he mean a comparison of the Fives with Sub Mini and the Fives with Sub Gen 3. So just comparing the two Subs

@danielchapter70128

Жыл бұрын

@Sarah N I have the Beam2 and Sub Gen3, I’m debating adding two Ones or a Five to that room for movies and gaming. What do you think?

@sarahneedham

Жыл бұрын

@@danielchapter70128 I would say 2 Ones for surrounds as it's a lot cheaper and they still sound great

@johnmcentee2203

Жыл бұрын

Do you find that setup is better than using the Sub Gen 3 for HT and the Sub Mini for music?

Good Info Peter. When you get the new Era 100s, can you do the comparison again? It'd be interesting to see the Sonos Fives paired w/ the Sub Mini too!

could you do a new comparison with the era 100s :D

Thanks Peter... You reinforce my decision to go for SVS Prime Wireless Pro... It was a nice journey whit Sonos but it's time to go to the next level in audio quality... By the way, how many watts (RMS) do you estimate that the Fives amplifiers have?

@TemujinScott80

Жыл бұрын

The SVS’s are reasonably priced as well. I love Sonos for my living space though.

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

I have been toeing the line when it comes to the SVS Prime Wireless Pro too... So tempting. The Fives, combined, is probably around 120W or so? I can't remember I think I did a power draw test with them before.

I don’t suppose you’d know if I can hook up a gen 1 sub to a gen 1 play 5??

What if I have 1 sonos 5 and the sub mini plus the playbar. should I get another sonos 5 or get a pair of the sonos Ones? It's for moves and music and surround sound

Great info as always, Peter. I am asking the sonos community. I am new to sonos as I just purchased my first sonos ARC. My question is, what should I add first a sub mini or a pair so one SL ? Thanks

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

This has always been a tricky question. But my personal take is always the sub woofer first! :)

@MrPT98

Жыл бұрын

My choice would be the rears to add first, because they add a lot of immersion to movies and i think the ARC is not that bad in terms of bass. But adding a Sub still makes a big difference. So if you are more listening to music i would go with the Sub, for movies i would take the rears first. One way or another you will end up buying both 😂

Nice video Peter. One item that I rarely hear anyone mention when they talk about the output of a speaker, whether its a full-range speaker or subwoofer and that is the speaker's efficiency/sensitivity. In the case of looking at the surface areas of the various Sonos speakers in this video, the cone areas is potentially one factor but the sensitivity of the LF driver, measured at 1w @ 1m, is sometimes more important. This I have seen hundreds of time in pro audio where by example, some dual 12" subwoofer produces more SPL versus a dual 15" subwoofer. Why? The dual 12" is more sensitive (more efficient) and develops more SPL with a given input. But in consumer audio, manufacturers like Sonos never publish speaker (or driver) sensitivity rating. P.S. I will be adding a Sub Mini to my Sonos collection which currently consists of (4) Ones and (1) Play Base. Again nice video!!

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree Scott. Actually, so many more factors like the Amp's damping factor, the strength of the magnet in relation to the power to move them. So many factors. I try to keep it easy to digest though. :) Thank you so much for your continued support on my channel!

I control my old sonos play 1 speakers with separate Amazon echo device connected to wifi in same room. Believe you can do that with Fives as well.

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Yes you can. I am assuming this is the first smart speaker or you have no others.

Thanks Peter for the great video ! I am new with Sonos and am hesitating between Sun Mini + 2 Ones or one single Sonos Five. Which setup would be the best according to you ? Thanks 😊

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

If against a Single Fives, then 2 Ones + Sub Mini.

@lucadoue2113

Жыл бұрын

@@PeterPee thanks !! Since they released the Era 100 I’m trying a stereo pair of 100+ sun mini. Let’s see. If I was still in Singapore I’d have paid you a Tiger beer for your brilliant video ;)

Good video Peter … Im curious, are you from Singapore?

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Yes I am!

Best sonos ray settings?

And what about a pair of moves in stereo... How would them compare to the ones + sub mini? Has someone listen to both sets? Thx!

There is one thing I don't understand..what does it mean "more bass" and when more bass is "to much bass"? Shouldn't frequency response be linear throughout whole frequency spectrum? From that point of view, Fives bass is already to emphasized in bass region, and it looks like Mini+Ones have less pronounced bass, therefore they're closer to linearity ?

Guys quick question please . I have two play 5’s in my kitchen. They just don’t sound that good! What am I doing wrong? If I add a sub mini would it help ? I’m curious

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Won't matter much. The Fives actually have a lot of bass already. It will help for sure but I am not sure if the $750 is well spent.

Hi. I have an arc, sub g3, 2x ones. What’s next to upgrade to improve my sound experience? 5vs are way to big tbh for my taste

@xianx1866

Жыл бұрын

Ceiling speakers !

@seyf6030

Жыл бұрын

Era 300s

Sería bueno ver cómo funcionan un era 300 + un sub mini

I just got 1 sonos five, and I still thinking add another sub mini or sonos five better? Sonos five+sub mini or 2 Sonos five which 1 is better bass?

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Two Sonos Fives. :)

@AmazingChannelL

Жыл бұрын

Thanks peter😃

Thanks Pete, amazing quality as always! I have one question, which sub is better to add to a pair of fives?

@sarahneedham

Жыл бұрын

I'd love to know this also. I have mine paired with the Sub Gen 3

@TemujinScott80

Жыл бұрын

I have mine paired with the sub mini Love it BUT it depends on the size of your room

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Like what Temujin is saying, if you go with the Sub Mini route, it has to be for a smaller size room. The Fives are already very capable on their own. I'd advice you against spending the money cos you won't get a whole lot more. Yes, definitely you will get more. But not that much more for the money you are spending.

@Hector-uz5qh

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Pete, and everyone for the reply, I'll go and pick a sub mini in that case, the room is medium 😀

How much smoothing are you applying to the curve? 1/8? 1/4?

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

I applied 1/1 smoothing. When doing my own analysis, I do 1/3. For the purpose of conveying the information over KZread to a wide audience, I find that 1/1 is generally easier to explain. :)

@bondaretsig

Жыл бұрын

@@PeterPee hmm, but then there is almost no actual information left on the chart, room modes and SBIRs will be smoothed out

Have a pair of fives and they are very good, visitors in my home are searching for the sub… which there is not 😂

How about adding an Alexa through the audio jack. Making the 5's smart speakers.

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Yes you can do that. But that just means that the Fives are just like any other speaker that you connect to other smarties.

Way more volume with the fives… that’s can’t be understated lol

Hi Peter, thanks for your analysis!!! What is the best setup for you ? I already have beam2 and move on my living room. I can play music on all. - 2 five - 2 one and sub mini - upgrade on 2 move, add sub mini with beam2 Thanks by advance !!

not only are you getting more bass, you are getting more dynamics and a lot more volume with a pair of fives!

watching it at 2x speed to get the answers fast.... LOL...gives answer right at the beginning XD

8:35 ouch, this guy is not smart!! Lol

Why do ypu delete comments that ate critical to sonos?

Guys, SONOS Fives are not the best Stereo Audio for 1000$ !!!

@mauricioharker5163

Жыл бұрын

Which you recomend... I'll go to the SVS way whith Prime Wireless Pro...

@Birmingham_racing

Жыл бұрын

I would go with the kef lsx ii

@veselinva

Жыл бұрын

@@mauricioharker5163 KEF, for sure is better.

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Ok lah, to each their own. Within the Sonos ecosystem, it is still the best. Of course there are others. SVS is a great option. I loved the Klipsch The Fives too.

@ehong671

Жыл бұрын

@@Birmingham_racing kef lsx ii wireless are NOT $1000

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Thanks!

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Hi there! Thanks for your kind contribution!

Thanks!

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Hello Susan! :D Thank you for your kind contribution!

Thanks!

@PeterPee

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Amit!

@marcofranco6974

Жыл бұрын

¿just 15? ¿how about 100?