I feel like there are a lot of issues besides grammar and things that I missed in the video so I thought I'd clear up a few things and questions people have: ''why doesn't hero just release the source code he had for ph2 since he's not using it anymore?" there are a few reasons for this. the biggest one is that hero wants to see his vision realized into a full game before releasing any of his previous versions since despite the differences, it is still the same game. released frameworks like bumper or infinity engine usually only get about one game using the framework to it's full potential out of countless ports of older levels. I understand the need for a framework with better physics and controls. I recommend checking this project out for that.: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lGqkktxpcd3Tls4.html ''why didn't hero say anything about this beforehand?'' now this goes into something I forgot to mention. one of the reasons he didn't make a statement until after the fact on twitter is because the project at that current version was leaked by people angry at the change so he was forced to show what he had at the time. this also goes into why I talked about the backlash in the video . ill admit I didn't use the best examples of that and I apologize to anyone who felt misrepresented. ill also admit that hero made a few missteps in communication in not stating his intentions more clearly from the start. "if he always wanted an OVA style, why didn't he just do that from the start? when it comes to fangames, making a custom model takes some time. unleashed and gens models are easy to take and put into fangames which is why you usually see the same modern model in fangames. though I'm not sure about ph1, ph2 was just a showcase of the new move set, but its high quality presentation with modern assets is probably why it felt so much like a modern game. not to mention him only stating that everything could change in the description not the main video. I will also like to point out that using spyro wasn't the best example for my "sonic drought" point since sonic is more important to sega as a company than spyro is to activision. i just found it odd to claim to be in a drought with just one year without a game when games take a long time to make and tsr got criticism for feeling unfinished plus content besides games where still being pumped out. also people were claiming it doesn't matter to wait for good quality since forces had 4 years and was still bad. if you have more questions or criticisms, comment below and I will try to answer them. thank you for watching the video and have nice day.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@craftygamerones9494

3 жыл бұрын

I love the art style change why don’t people like it smh

@imimifox

3 жыл бұрын

@gold bone People are tried of the drought because the last modern game that should have had a big impact on the series’ gameplay and world was so underwhelming and did not meet our expectations from the trailers. You should always look at context, even if Spyro was as big as Sonic, they hadn’t had a bad stain on the series, whereas SEGA has something they need to fix and address so people are anxious if they will actually improve. We shouldn’t be expected to get any old game and be satisfied for a long time, it needs to be fun in the first place, so understandably people want to see the series’ new direction soon.

@imimifox

3 жыл бұрын

@FreddyVSGaming TM It’s because it has been done to death in many other fan games, and people would like to see an example of a modernised adventure style game with new move sets for the many modern characters, not just the main 3. They don’t dislike the artstyle, they just thought the modern versions had a lot more potential to have an impact on the series.

@craftygamerones9494

3 жыл бұрын

@@imimifox but it hasn’t been done to death

The removal of Knuckles' punches is the biggest loss imo. There are plenty of opportunities to use that elsewhere, like punching through walls to get into a route just for him.

@goldbone5703

3 жыл бұрын

I’m sure hero has already thought of that. The punch feature isn’t permanently removed and he will probably do something to keep the move’s usefulness like make knuckles automatically punch a secret wall like in s3&k

@dreamcastdazia4753

3 жыл бұрын

Too be fair. In the classic games knuckles could just run through breakable walls automatically so maybe thats why he got rid of punches.

@Rashawnermani456

3 жыл бұрын

he probably just didnt mention it idk how you mention his glide and climb when everyone knows that

@Rashawnermani456

3 жыл бұрын

@@dreamcastdazia4753 he cant walk through enemies tho

@gamestar6479

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rashawnermani456 as said in the video that's what the roll was for

People are probably upset because they got bait-and-switched when they thought the design was already finished last time.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds pretty accurate

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

Damn not here

I dunno, fast flight seems more organic than flight dash, which has kinda "stop and go" feel.

@mrl4262

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I completely agree that’s not just “oh it’s new I don’t like it” it’s just more movement then straight with the flight dash

@MorfsPrower

3 жыл бұрын

And the bombs were a true callback to Tails. But the again, Sonic games don't always need to be fast to me.

@lautaroguzman4178

3 жыл бұрын

@@MorfsPrower nah personally i didn't like the bombs maybe if it had some kind of aim assist

@ShadowDurza

3 жыл бұрын

I like it a lot. Personally, I've thought for a while that the only realistic way to do attacks in multi-character Sonic games is for each one to have a homing attack. I'm hoping Hero adds Knuckles' forward drill spin as a homing attack.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

Hmm. I've been thinking about this, and I suppose it could be seen as organic if fast flight was active in Tails's solo gameplay but flight dash is available in gameplay where he carries at least 1 other character or a heavy object. Heck, that even gives me an idea of having Tails throw objects! That would be neat & seems fluid the way I'm imagining it playing out

I apologize for my awful grammar.

@yokai_yahni1018

3 жыл бұрын

Can you add the link to the quartz quadrant remix. I’m having trouble finding it

@yohanismannegerew8374

3 жыл бұрын

It’s fine bro

@kaexewires7531

3 жыл бұрын

don't worry, the video was pretty Great :)

@Type3Diabeto

3 жыл бұрын

Would you like some help for any future videos with the captioning? I wouldn't mind going through the scripts/captions to touch up the grammar and spelling if you're interested.

@darushiolqp238

3 жыл бұрын

Ooh, nice grammar!

I agree with all this, and i actually think you skimmed over something. I think one of the biggest reasons that people are mad with Hero's decisions is because we have a huge surplus of 3d Classic Sonic games. Games like Utopia, islands, and Robo Blast 2 are all games that have done this before. I think the reason they are "tired" of Classic Sonic is because most think that that gameplay has already reached it's full potential. That brings me to my second point. There are not enough Modern Fan games, or at least amazing Modern games. Shadow of Water, Grand Tour, and infinity engine plus all have done great jobs polishing Modern Sonic to be the most enjoyable way of playing. But then came Project Hero Ph2, The game that seemed to finally PERFECT Modern Sonic (at least the adventure style). But to see that modern perfection relegated to become another 3d Classic came, a lot fans think it is some huge missed potential. Personally, i think this is a good step forward. It feel like Hero is finally embracing its own identity, separate from the other Sonic fan games. And I can understand why you might be angry or disappointed with these changes. But we should appreciate what we receive, and not chastise the creators for what could have been. This goes to both the fan devs AND Sega. Thank you for coming to my Tedtalk.

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

Ok 👍

@dreamcastdazia4753

3 жыл бұрын

THIS. I wasn't mad or anything. I just found out about this complete overhaul a few hours ago. And I was very confused. Just why? Why did he change it? We where about to get the best modern game.... You basically described the feelings that I couldn't put into words. Also Sonic World, Sonic Souls are other great 3D sonic fan games that where basically completed. Others pretty much never made it past one or 2 levels or a test stage even though they where great. Its sad

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

@@dreamcastdazia4753 Great recommendation

@runneypo

3 жыл бұрын

I dislike him because he has too big ego and wont let others make levels for his engine? whats a point in a engine that exists just for the creator to show off how good an engine he made?

@logan_M_

3 жыл бұрын

@@runneypo He doesn't have to make it open source. He wants to be the sole voice of what goes on in his fangame. He doesn't have a big ego. If he were to make it open to others, it would likely take away from the shine and polish that the engine has.

I think the OVA design is very underrated, so i'm glad they're using it for this project

@75JUNAKI

3 жыл бұрын

Yee

PH2 was perfect to me. Oh well this is quite interesting too. As long as things like interacting with the stage isn’t gone. (swinging from trees) I think that was a really dope mechanic

@BlackWeeeb

3 жыл бұрын

That wall run is mad sick. I hope people can use this engine to make some sick tracks. Just imagine sonic blazing through a stage on walls in a city.

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

So you're also one of those guys huh

@lolipusher5997

3 жыл бұрын

@@jwgames3631 wat?

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@lolipusher5997 I'm curious as well 😂😂

@gggsh7

Жыл бұрын

@@jwgames3631 what tf do you mean lol

Eh, not personally a fan of the change in art style simply based on the fact that it's been done to death in the Sonic fangame community. Utopia, Freedom, RoboBlast 2, Islands, all of these took the OVA direction. It's nothing new. It's one of the best designs for Sonic, true, but it's just a case of oversaturation. But besides that, the project stands on its gameplay merits, and it's still the best system out there. Regardless of the art direction, this is still looking really solid.

@sunset5379

3 жыл бұрын

I would say SRB2 took more of classic Sonic rather than OVA

@commanderspyder5432

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, as good as this looks gameplay-wise, I really hate that the art style is yet ANOTHER Classic Sonic aesthetic.

@ohgodwhy5626

3 жыл бұрын

there are way more 3d modern sonic fan games in the world than classic. And none of those you listed are ova directed. Utopia and islands are just regular classic. Freedom is the sonic cd toei intro style. you literally only listed 3 and only one is actually finished.

@Iam-cz1ot

3 жыл бұрын

@@ohgodwhy5626 Sure while that may be the case. There’s barely any 3D Modern Sonic games using the momentum gameplay and while there are some. None of them are out yet.

@pochoelsabio7096

3 жыл бұрын

People just hate because black eyes

wow, i honestly like the new designs, although i will miss the old ones

@craftygamerones9494

3 жыл бұрын

I certainly won’t

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@craftygamerones9494 Convo.

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

@@craftygamerones9494 I will even though it's literally the same damn character honestly

@jordancromwell

3 жыл бұрын

@@jwgames3631 "literally the same damn character" FAX!!! I'm so damn tired of fans crying over Classic Sonic with Modern Sonic. I blame Sega for making it seem like Classic and Modern Sonic are two different characters in Generations and Forces. All they did was divide this stupid fanbase and what you see in the comments are the results of that.

@bluudevil4483

2 жыл бұрын

@@jordancromwell chill guy

little disappointed, can’t lie. it definitely doesn’t look bad, it still looks great and the animations & squash and stretch all look great still, but i can’t help but feel it’s a step backwards. doesn’t really matter what i think though, it’s his vision and it’s still a great thing he’s got going

@tailsmonster12

3 жыл бұрын

Tbf, what we had wasn't really anything. It was just a gray test level with models for the most part ripped from the original games. While it's easy to be dissapointed because it's no longer modern sonic, I don't think it's a step down since there really was not much to step down from in terms of aesthetic. As for gameplay, I guess saying it's a step down makes sense. Though it just seems like he's removing unnecessary moves to remove bloat. So to me it's a step up imo.

@sunshinex2012

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

@ginogatash4030

3 жыл бұрын

I do not agree with this sentiment, messing around with so many mechanics in the prototype was really fun, but I never saw the project as being much more than that, and managing all that stuff into a cohesive experience would be a real headache. We have less mechanics sure, but now they're all focused on momentum, which means that the fun of the game will come from how we use those mechanics to approach the level design, it reminds me a lot of Super Mario 64, few mechanics but all versatile, well polished, and with purpose, PH2 was a cool prototype but PH3 looks like it's shaping up to be a good game, but we'll see.

@deanmoriarty6015

3 жыл бұрын

@@ginogatash4030 they were all focused on momentum before too, that was the whole point lol

@ginogatash4030

3 жыл бұрын

@@deanmoriarty6015 yes but there were also moves that broke the flow and others that did the same thing as other moves but less efficiently, the current moveset is smaller but easier to understand and versatile enough to make up for the lack of previous moves, while in PH2 many moves were interchangeable and there wasn't really any reason to pick one over the other, not saying PH2 was bad, it did what a prototype had to do, give the devs room for experimentation and an idea of how they want their game to turn out, and they decided they wanted a classic Sonic structure in 3D, they could've probably left, or changed a few features to justify their presence, but if the devs felt like the many features were bogging them down, they did well by cutting them, shit gets cut out during the pipeline there isn't much you can do.

Tbh I think the problem was the sudden change. For the longest time PH was a 3D Sonic game with the “modern” design until what seemed to be a couple months ago and while I’m personally fine with the change. It would’ve been nice to get a heads up before hand instead of tweeting about it when this version is most likely half way complete. Still excited though so I can’t wait to see people play it.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

Bruh how come I don't remember seeing this comment before? Anyway, thank you.

@Ketchup1810

3 жыл бұрын

he did say before in the discord

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ketchup1810 The problem with that is no one outside of Discord (who knows about or is keen on the project) would've known, cos they wouldn't see that. I mean, if that was relevant, there would be no point in gold bone making an update video like this for example, cos everyone could just go to his Discord...

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's still a 3D Sonic game right

Modern Sonic has a stigma on him. Whether his green eyes or him being connected to the downfall of sonic in the 3D era. The 2010 era of sonic was also kind of lacking. Sure some good ones but mostly bland or meh games. I think the reason why people get upset over classic and modern thing is because Classic sonic always gets a lot more love in the fan game community. Its rarer to see Modern Sonic love due to most preferring classic. However for those who like the modern design, its a kick in the nuts.

@theminecraft2516

3 жыл бұрын

You can’t just summarize the 3D games as the “3D Era”. Dreamcast, Darkage, and Meta Era are the 3 eras of 3D Sonic

@alex_thy_nino3728

3 жыл бұрын

But it’s just a design. That’s like saying your not gonna play something like mario oddysey just cause mario’s hat has eyes. Wait are there people like that? Huh....

@alex_thy_nino3728

3 жыл бұрын

And ether way, there’s mods

@tjlnintendo

3 жыл бұрын

@@alex_thy_nino3728 I mean... sonic fans are very picky. Sega doesn’t help either with classic now apparently being his own entity.

@alex_thy_nino3728

3 жыл бұрын

@@tjlnintendo yea. Honestly I hope force’s isn’t cannon, or classic sonic in forces isn’t cannon. We don’t have to deal with the whole multiple demensions thing (COUGH COUGH SONIC PRIME COUGH COUGH SO EXCITED COUGH) and ether way he’s pretty much pointless in forces so it would be EASY

I think that the negative hate toward Hero for the decisions he made for his own game is ridiculous. However I just get this feeling of "ah well" from the change in design. I personally thought that in ph2 he was attempting to unify the "adventure era" gameplay with the "modern era" artstyle, which Sega tried to achieve when they debuted sonic into 3D in the first place. Again I'm not saying that the change was bad, I love sonic OVA after all and I will probably love playing it. But when I do try the demo, in the back of my head I'll still be thinking "man we were this close to getting a true adventure successor". Obviously Hero isn't the perfect developer so Sega shouldn't "hire this man", but I will say Project Hero demo 2 was one of the fan games that I feel was closest to "official quality". Constant praise isn't the best thing to give to a developer but I don't think I could have given him anything else.

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

Again why the long paragraph I'm fine with this choice I wonder how it would look if it was an open world but so far it looks like a sandbox like Mario Odyssey

@cosmiceternity2033

Жыл бұрын

I suggest giving a look at Sonic: Project Advanced! It almost feels like it was directly inspired by PH 1&2 and even features more playable characters than just the main trio. It's looking to be just as amazing, if not BETTER, than PH 1&2.

@conradobernausoliva4380

Жыл бұрын

I comprend you and youre right about the adventure 3 thing but they do that decision so... now we can't do anything toot toot oh wait sorry.

@alecmackintosh2734

Жыл бұрын

@@conradobernausoliva4380 yeah that's why it's more of a "ah well" than a "no don't do that". At least frontiers with some mods is actually pretty good so I can enjoy that for now.

@HellboyBr11

2 ай бұрын

​@@cosmiceternity2033Project Advanced is really cool, if you were waiting for a spiritual successor to adventures, look for Project advanced

Honestly, coming in I had low expectation for this vid, but it's actually really informative and made by a chill dude that comprehends the situation and rationalizes things instead of instigating any sort of negativity. Thanks dude.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

Check the pinned comment. Lol

y'know, if hero just made the models interchangeable then all of the problems would be gone

@owl9130

3 жыл бұрын

The models and the move sets

@realestAG

3 жыл бұрын

He can do what he wants it doesn't really matter

@SereBeat

3 жыл бұрын

@@realestAG yea he can, but it's an easy solution to all of the backlash

@realestAG

3 жыл бұрын

@@SereBeat He shouldn't feel obligated to change something in his own fangame just to please a few detractors. Take this from someone who doesn't like the classic aesthetic much let alone the OVA one. At the end of the day it really doesn't matter

@SereBeat

3 жыл бұрын

@@realestAG like i said. he can do what he wants, but it makes the most sense to include BOTH because it'd get the ppl that dont like it to shut up. Im not saying he HAS to. it's a *_solution_* to most ppls qualms with the changes and would allow him to keep whatever he wants as the main focus

I got really used to liking the modern like artstyle from the demo, but I do admit this is also really cool

@ginogatash4030

3 жыл бұрын

I never liked the proportions of the modern designs, they're not bad, but they look weird and lanky, the Sonic CD and Mania intro are peak Sonic designs to me.

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

@@ginogatash4030 I like modern Sonic design I don't care what is bad about the it's just some models and animations need tweaking I want noodle arms Sonic to come back with the slick animation

@ginogatash4030

3 жыл бұрын

@@jwgames3631 yeah mine was more personal preference, but it's cool if you like long Sonic, like I said, it's not bad I just prefer Junio Sonic the best.

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

@@ginogatash4030 but what about that classic knuckles 3D model and that drippy ass hat doesn't it look awesome

@ginogatash4030

3 жыл бұрын

@@jwgames3631 if you're talking about the OVA inspired designs or even just the OVA then I'd have to agree.

The style change doesn’t bother me at all. Sonic is Sonic, like he always has been. No matter the form or art style. Personally in my game I go more for the Sonic CD look, but that’s just a preference because the intro and outro made him feel cool to me. Don’t hate hero’s decision based on what he likes💯

@ginogatash4030

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I like Junio Sonic too, best Sonic design BY FAR, but I'm glad OVA Sonic is also getting some representation, I like this new wave of classic Sonic in fan games after years of lanky anorexic modern Sonic in the official games.

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

Bro I said this too like what does it matter it's Sonic it's the same damn character 😂 don't get why premy was salty about this project

@jordancromwell

3 жыл бұрын

@@ginogatash4030 Sonic had always been anorexic evening Classic form

@ginogatash4030

3 жыл бұрын

@@jordancromwell evening? Anyway, I wouldn't say that he was always thin, his arms and legs were thin sure, but the body used to be pretty much a ball, nowadays he's shaped more like a weird oval.

@jordancromwell

2 жыл бұрын

@@ginogatash4030 I know this comment was long ago but that was suppose to say "even in" instead of evening. Autocorrect 🙄

Had to watch this again after the new frontiers trailer

@lambasted6886

2 жыл бұрын

Haha same here. I can't say how fleshed out the systems will be for Frontiers but my hope for momentum based movement like this were dashed. Unless by some miracle, run/walk (which is all we saw) is for control and we have yet to see a curl or ball mode to use the environment... but I doubt it.

I think this is a big step up. According to gameplay, every change except for Tail's air attack looks better. Though at the same time the removed moves kind of gave the characters more personality with Tails using a mechanical bomb and knuckles punching. Though gameplay I think the Spin dash is more than enough with speed and combat ability for a movement-focused game.. The style is what I'm split on. There are impressive Modern projects but this game might have previously had the most potential but as a fan game it still looks like one of the best. But at the same time, I think it does stand out from 3d classic sonic fan games and makes it look unique from other projects. I'm fine with it as it is. All in all, I think the quality has gotten better and Hero should keep going in the direction he chooses.

7:46 i don't believe these people are 'angry'. if you read these messages, they're all simply saying 'i don't like this art style, but good luck to the developer'. while your concerns are founded, please do recognise that most of these people seem to be very respectful about this, and there is nothing wrong with voicing an opinion while upholding decorum. people just prefer the modern sonic design - not for any intricate, or underlying reason - but merely because they just like it better. hero should be allowed to pursue the route that he wants, but in turn, people voicing distaste is just a natural course of consumerism

@goldbone5703

3 жыл бұрын

now I will admit that one of my biggest regrets with my video was that it was rushed. I wanted to get the vid out as fast as possible so I ended up taking a lot of responses that weren't actually hateful and instead people who were just a little upset. it's just that the whole reason we even see as much as we do with the new version of the project is because people leaked it due to being angry with the change. hero was forced to reveal the new version and when he did, people where saying it's "just a utopia clone now" and saying "this used to be good and now it's just another 3D classic sonic game". some where saying hero tricked them even though hero didn't know it was a big deal. . it all kinda ticked me off because it was such a trivial reason to undermine hero's hard work and it made me want to address it while making the video, but my need to get the vid out so quickly made me call out the wrong people. that section wasn't directed to those just saying they didn't prefer the look but to people who were insulting him for it

@hihi-nm3uy

3 жыл бұрын

@@goldbone5703 you’re right, and that’s absolutely horrible of them to do. in the end, hero’s hard work is his own, and this will hopefully not serve to deter him from this passion project; spreading awareness through this video was good of you. i look forward greatly to what he plans to do next.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@hihi-nm3uy See, the one thing I hope is that Hero hasn't actually deleted the project files for PH2 yet, and actually ends up releasing the source code or something so that people can adapt or mod it & refine it

@hihi-nm3uy

3 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 its such a good project; if theyre done its be nice to see how people adapt it

@Beansman-gp3ws

3 жыл бұрын

Litterally two comments below you is someone saying "this update is garbage'

The one thing I'll say is, Hero doesn't necessarily deserve the backlash he got, but you don't implement modern Sonic controls, attract attention from fans who appreciate this development, then proceed to simply scrap it all because you feel it's too useless a gameplay concept (without anticipating backlash). Like, I would've thought he was responsible enough to make a statement about it for people to *understand* or at least make it optional rather than completely scrap it. Imo, the backlash was justified, but still I feel for him

@goldbone5703

3 жыл бұрын

I will admit Hero definitely made a few missteps in communication. he gave a heads up about the change on his discord but not on his Twitter nor with a community post on youtube. then he gave an explanation on his Twitter, but no vid update on his youtube I guess Hero underestimated how much people cared about the original aesthetic. he got a lot of criticism about how the moves would work from a gameplay standpoint so I assumed he would end up simplifying them. I'll admit the simplifying *does* look like a step down at the first view. in his eyes he was just trying a bunch of random stuff to get a feel for what would work but he blew up into fame before he could finish that process. fan devs usually use modern sonic before they have a clear vision because they are easy to rip from games but not everyone is gonna know that.

for a second i tought this was sonic utopia and iwas excited that its having an update after 3 years

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

Oh but you would be dead wrong to know that this ain't Sonic Utopia this is Sonic OVA the video game and you know what I fucks with it

I like this new update but I so understand the frustrations of the people who have been following the project, since there are many games that use classic to the point where it's just absurd and the green plantation is just repetative, other than that it's a very ambitious project and I cant wait to see the future of it

@Ketchup1810

3 жыл бұрын

i dont understand it, all it is is sonics design it shouldnt even matter

@cadetw1376

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ketchup1810 They also removed a lot of cool mechanics, and the design matters if the previous felt better than the current.

@Ketchup1810

3 жыл бұрын

@@cadetw1376 the design doesn’t change anything and the only mechanics they removed were the useless ones

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ketchup1810 the useless ones...which some players still will have wanted to use anyway... Is PH not supposed to be an *experiment?*

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ketchup1810 Also, the cosmetic design will affect the gamimg experience for a LOT of people, hence why people were already upset. If someone doesn't like the look of a game, they'll like the game less. Is that really such a foreign concept to you? People that happen to defend this game change seem to miss that. (It's like if I ask you why don't you play Modern fangames instead of Classic fangames? And no, not exclusively. Please think straight this time)

You got close with the problems people have with this and while I am still looking forward to the project over-all, this new direction has soured my taste. But allow me to explain why as I feel this will be pretty relatable for many. For years all Sonic fan games were, was 2D games that took major inspiration from the classics and nothing else. There’s a huge stigma against “modern Sonic” and has been for years now. I was born in ‘97 and my first Sonic game was Sonic Adventure. All throughout my childhood we got at least one game a year and even if they weren’t always knocking it out of the park, it was still something. Then in 2010, Sega decided to go Meta and learned all the wrong lessons from the failure of ‘06. Especially those of us that grew up with “modern Sonic” have felt incredibly shafted by the franchise as a whole and Sega/Sonic Team as a company. No more stories and characters that actually have heart, gravitas, and are worth a damn, no more original ideas cause god forbid we should take any more risks, constant nostalgia pandering with “not having to play as Sonics friends” still being a selling point since 2007. It was new with Secret Rings. Now it’s just old-hat. My personal favorite Sonic fan game (and tbh pretty much favorite Sonic game in general given the current state of the franchise) is called Sonic World. This is a game where the characters have their modern designs (though you can also choose classic characters) and essentially all play like Sonic with some extra bells and whistles. Getting rid of something like knuckles punching or tails bombs because “you could just as easily roll” to me is really bad reasoning. Sure I could just as easily roll but by that logic what’s the point in putting multiple combos in fighting games if just one will get the job done? Small as they may be, these are details that differentiate the characters from Sonic while still keeping the core gameplay. And it shows a little about their character through attacks and animations like that as well. Knuckles punches because his name’s knuckles and it’s what he does. Similar to tails and his tail attack. Sonic kicks because he uses his feet to fight mainly which makes sense (Sonic smack down does this really well). Shadow uses chaos abilities like chaos spear because he’s the ultimate life form and he can. Amy has a hammer, etc. Removing these things (small as they may seem) actually have a big impact on the over-all game. The reality is people are upset because this isn’t the same game as project Hero anymore. Project Hero was the best elements of Modern Sonic, tails, and knuckles (with classic elements like shields as well) perfected. Sure, keep the boost out cause the more open level layout is a lot more fun anyway. But Project Hero went from being something many fans have been wanting for a long time (basically it played like how I’d think SA3 should minus the x-treme gear being used at free will) and turned it into yet another classic fan project. I don’t know if betrayed is the right word. But I’ll put it this way. If people backed this with money on Patreon or something, they’d have every right to get their money back. Personally, I don’t hate the new direction and essentially see it as classic properly done in 3D. But you’re only fooling yourself to call it anything else. I like the OVA design and the cell-shading looks great. But for me, Sonic World still has this beat as the best Sonic fan game in my opinion with Sonic GT being a close second. But hey, it’s Hero’s project so he can do what he likes. Just don’t be surprised when people respond negatively to such dramatic changes.

@-KORAL_ZERO

Жыл бұрын

Tbh your logic for the extra abilities isn’t that good either. Fighting games have multiple attacks so you can string them together and use them for different situations. I get the bomb thing because it is a projectile and that could be useful in a few circumstances, but in a momentum based game where things like time affect your score, having the bomb in particular would probably slow you down rather than keep you moving.

@-KORAL_ZERO

Жыл бұрын

Knuckles on the other hand only has punches, and really what’s the point of being able to combo through enemies who only needs touch from a roll? The only thing useful about those was the uppercut, and you can now do that from an underground launch from an underground launch instead, so there genuinely isn’t anything worthwhile than the fact that it’s unique to knuckles, and honestly we don’t really need that. The game has idle animations, run animations, and knuckles can already climb and glide. Knuckles is already a uniquely styled character. Same for Tails with the ability to fly. I also want you to know that I actually prefer modern sonic more than the classic iteration, but from a gameplay perspective, this just makes more sense. Last thing I wanna say is that, you’re Patreon point: What’s up with that. Like seriously, what’s your point there, he literally is not allowed to put the game on Patreon. There’s a reason it’s a fan game. Also it’s a demo, it’s not even a scam, as it’s not the full version. What was your point making that sentence. I genuinely want more context so I can understand where you were/are coming from.

I really like how the game turned out and I can’t wait to see it conclusion

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

I can't wait to see that God damn knuckles hat that's some fine drip you got there

generic 3d modern sonic techdemo that will never be a full game turns into generic 3d classic sonic techdemo that will never be a full game

@mizzix

2 жыл бұрын

Fr lmfao

What the hell is everyone on?! This is amazing! The art style is awesome and the moveset is brilliant. THIS IS JUST A OVA SONIC GAME! Jesus man keep up the good work!

Thanks for putting this video out there, I didn't realize the Project Hero was still going on. The art style change is intriguing, though I think it could still use a few more tweaks - something about Sonic just looks kind of... wrong, but I can't put my finger on _what._ It might be some minor proportion or color thing. The project looks great, but I'm tired of seeing Green Hill used as the graphic for all of these fan games. Hopefully, we'll get some more enemy variety as well. Egg Pawns seem a little _too_ useful as enemies, since they're pretty much all I see in these games. 7:50 Read what they're saying: another Classic Sonic _fan_ game. So many fangames like Sonic Utopia do the "Classic Sonic but 3D" thing, and a lot of people are tired of it for the same reason they don't want Classic Sonic to be shoved into every mainline Modern Sonic game. A lot of people were excited for Modern to get a high-profile spotlight, and probably feel robbed. 8:35 These people are expecting a _mainline_ Sonic game, since those seem to come out in relatively short intervals. They probably just don't know or care about the side media. Also, Spyro fans are probably used to waiting a long time between games, much like Metroid fans; you don't see Metroid fans complaining about a drought because they're used to waiting for 3-5 years between games. I think that the people complaining about a "Sonic drought" are being kind of dumb and impatient, but that's the viewpoint they come from.

@tailsmonster12

3 жыл бұрын

Well yeah, but you see this is understood by people with common sense. The people tweeting all sorts of things that include mentioning the sonic twtter to hire a fangame creator isn't just a meme. Some fans actually genuinely believe that fans can replace sega's own works due to the downfall of quality in the official stuff. And Mania kinda cemented that lol.

@syweb2

3 жыл бұрын

@@tailsmonster12 Just a friendly reminder that common sense isn't.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@tailsmonster12 If you're thinking of it as "replacing Sega's own works", that narrative is on you. But anyways, clearly fans are putting out game demos that people find more fun and fluid than Sega's own Modern Sonic games published recently. So while Sega has been in decline in terms of Modern Sonic standards, fan projects have increasingly realized that formula, and the attention and appreciation that PH2 got is a testament to that. Plus, as you've pointed out, Sega's own home staff fail to make Classic Sonic gameplay as good as, (and have been stood up by) Sonic Mania and those brought in or involved with that game's development. So to paint this picture of these fans is not only ignorant, but moreso inconsiderate. Obviously this is not to justify anything or to say that it's a healthy behavior for fans to carry out, it's just to correct/answer to the fallacies in these comments here in particular (I have to say this, because people in this part of the Sonic community who are actively involved in this stuff apparently don't understand otherwise). Also yes, there are fans that want another Sonic game period regardless, but this portrayal of the fans by you guys as impatient is quite a disingenuous & tarnishing one. You can believe that opinion of yours, but if you're gonna speak on it like it's fact and not back it up or back out, people like me will call you out on it. I mean what a charitable comparison of them to Spyro & Metroid fans(!) "Dumb and impatient"? You're just fortunate that these people don't know you or give a damn about you enough to even respond to stupid remarks like that (which is why you get away with it)

@tailsmonster12

3 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 should've written a 3rd paragraph

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@tailsmonster12 LOL You *want* a 3rd paragraph, guy? You got it. I was in the middle of something. Here it comes :)

Honestly had hope for this project that it would do everything that most modern sonic fan projects couldn’t. it really saw through all the charm a sonic could have, this however isn’t what I was looking forward in seeing. The previous design even had the feel of an actual sonic game. Looking this new design looks another generic sonic fan game. I’m personally not against a classic sonic styled 3D sonic game but the models aren’t there compared to the previous modern designs. I was also a sucker for that sonic 3&k spin dash that modern sonic had. The movement for the previous was really good aswell, I feel their could have had some work to be done to them but throwing them away wasn’t the right call in my opinion. I’m personally not looking forward to this.

@LegoSharkSuitGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Bruh it’s not that bad

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

BSMOOTH37 got a lot of sense. Throwing it all away was a really terrible idea. And I can see how it looks more generic now than it did before

@bsmooth3798

3 жыл бұрын

@@LegoSharkSuitGuy never said it was bad just saying it’s just like every fan game

@Ketchup1810

3 жыл бұрын

You don’t like it because its not supposed to look like other sonic fan games?

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ketchup1810 Bruh, who said that? 😂😂 And if he feels that way & it makes sense, what's your issue?

I have to agree with Hero's take on ova Sonic. Really love the style in that movie. Lot's of love for the music, visuals, and aesthetics. Great choice Hero

People over here complaining about the damn character models and I’m over here just gushing at how much sense the mechanics make. Stylish, fun and well animated.

@matthewmorrison3745

3 жыл бұрын

@Wynn Wilson Apparently you haven't been on twitter.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

So dishonest. People are not complaining just because of the *cosmetic design*, it's the gameplay design mainly! Stop acting like an asshat

@blackdot105

3 жыл бұрын

People can't have a preference or something? Especially when it's a big change, completely out of nowhere?

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@blackdot105 Right? Such a silly demonization of people with a legitimate issue with Hero's practices

If it's the OVA, I'll begrudgingly accept but Project Hero going from a promising modern sonic aesthetic to yet another classic sonic game really soured my interest in the project. Just a feature to swap models would be enough, maybe have modern OVA styled models

@traktor420

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly it doesn’t really bother me, it’s literally only the art style, to me sonic is sonic, the eye colour and height doesn’t matter

@CassiusStelar

3 жыл бұрын

@@traktor420 I wish more people thought the way you do

@CassiusStelar

3 жыл бұрын

@@Improvisado64 Sega wants us to forget our past and is trying to shove some separate canon bullcrap down our throats. SONIC IS FUCKING SONIC.

eh, I was more excited for what the previous version promised, a modern sonic game with very good mechanics, it was one of the best experiences I had playing with the 3 characters (I just felt something like that with the sonic 2020 project). but this change really made me put this project aside and go to sonic utopia instead. anyway good luck with your project

@traktor420

3 жыл бұрын

But the gameplay is still just as good, if not better?

@ericksvideoscomentad

3 жыл бұрын

@@traktor420 but for me the old models look better than the new ones, the gameplay still looks good, but the classic models is something that i was not expecting to show up to replace the old ones... and the removal of knux punches make me desapointed.

You know, he could just offer the option to switch models? After all he has both of them. But I am fine either way. I just hope we get a 3d mania because man sonic team just doesn't know what to do with the Blue blur

@Ketchup1810

3 жыл бұрын

everyone freaking out because sonic is a little shorter and has black eyes when it can be fixed with a little options menu

@SteveCrafts2k

3 жыл бұрын

Sonic Team hasn't been a thing since 2008. I think It's been merged to Sega's CS-2 division. It's kinda Sonic Team in name only now.

@jordirapper

3 жыл бұрын

@@SteveCrafts2k either way. Those making the 3d games seem to have no idea how to handle him. They had something with unleashed and colors and generations was great. I just wish they continued the 3d sonic of that and built something new with it but nope. Sonic lost world and fucking sonic boom and then forces.

@hubcrow

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ketchup1810 it's not the art syyle that's the problem It's the gameplay change

@Ketchup1810

3 жыл бұрын

@@hubcrow there is no gameplay change

Honestly I don't see why people are giving hate on hero's project, I understand that people like sonic's modern design and that an artstyle for a game is what sets the feel and for some people the appeal of the game and it's okay to be disappointed that the design you want isn't being used but there's a difference between Criticism and just flat out hate and complaining, some people saying that the game is now gonna he bad or that the game was ruined or that it's a downgrade is both unfair and dumb, I get that it isn't exactly original but it is his vision and what he wants to do with the fan game he's making. People hating on his project just because of an artstyle change are a bit petty and instead of commending him for his hard work and moving on since the artstyle is a big enough issue to make you not play it, you comment hateful comments because he didn't make what you expected or wanted. It's one of the reasons why some modern sonic games fall flat or don't get love put into them, fans constantly complaining and demanding something and sega trying to answer all those complaints leads to sega focusing less on realising a vision that they're passionate about and more about trying to impress everyone by using nostalgia or trying to impress fans of each era at the same time, hero has a vision, wanting to create a fun experience with his favorite artstyle for sonic, he was never aiming to create the best modern sonic experience, just the best sonic experience he could make and it seems like he's doing just that, he's passionate about the project he's creating and I don't think it's fair that he gets hated or irrelevant criticism for that especially since this isn't even an official game, it's a fan game that you don't even have to pay for, if the artstyle is that big if a deal that the game isn't worth playing despite the quality then move one since there are other options like Sonic gt as an example.

honestly, everything looks pretty good. the lighting could be better but that’s kinda a nitpick, i actually really like this. though getting rid of the flight meter is a huge downstep

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

I actually don't see anything wrong with that lighting but that knuckles hat looking mighty drippy

I honestly agree with the criticism of this video. The fans have expected far too much out of other fans just because of mania. Sega is failing at delivering proper sonic games to quench our thirst, yes, but we shouldn't suckle other fan devs dry simply because they desire to do things different from what the majority wants. I absolutely despise the situation that sonic is in right now and while I don't like the nostalgia pandering that sega is doing, im not gonna harp on other fans who love the style of classic sonic or another style. If anything the fans that are upset are wanting Hero to pander to the modern style which is no different than Sega force feeding us nostalgia.

@HareemByron

3 жыл бұрын

This comment should be at the top. Everyone should read this

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

If everyone that's new to this read this, they'd either be deceived or disagree for the most part & see right thru the bs (especially considering the rest of the comments) It's called *feedback.* Hero is free to take it, and not one is demanding anything of Hero. They are literally just putting their thoughts and opinions forward. If Hero neglects them, they'll leave & that's the end of the appreciation for Project Hero. People understand that it's Hero's fangame, but y'all that defend him don't seem to understand this. Ironic, huh? No one is "suckling" anyone for anything. Some dolt made the same argument defending Hero in the server because someone rational simply stated that Hero would get less backlash if the project was open source. Since Hero took the options people wanted away from them with this update, releasing the source code of the previous versions would be good for everyone (apparently releasing source code for PH2 will make PH3 & onwards suffer by becoming nothing but poorly done level ports. But he's *abandoned* PH2 and PH3 is a fundamentally different game & version! What will PH2 becoming a mess take away from PH3+? It doesn't make sense!)

Love what I'm seeing here, but frankly, as someone who first heard about this change on twitter without this much background, it's pretty easy to assume the worst. Generations was the beginning of the nostalgia trip SEGA got high off of, not mania, and that was in 2011. Which then carried over to Lost World and onward. Someone in your position doesn't have a good idea of what that time was like for someone who isn't in your position. I'm happy with this direction for the game, but to say that the concerns were unwarranted is pretty damn ignorant. Also, we have spellcheck now, you should use it.

It's so impressive the amount of work gone into this, but I personally am sick of the classic sonic references. If hero doesn't like PH2 and wants to go with this direction maybe give someone else PH2 and have them use the engine to make a full fangame. Either way, Hero has really made something incredible.

(If you’re reading this Hero) I actually like it, but coming from a modern fan, this really changes the identity from PH2. That’s like making Sonic Unleashed 2, but with Classic Sonic and changing the realistic looking style to a more wacky cartoon style. And I have no issue with a cartoony style Sonic game. You could just make PH3 into something separate so people wouldn’t associate the two, but then again you would get hate for abandoning PH2 for a new project. At the end of the day it’s your project and nobody has any say in your decisions! It’s what makes you happy!

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

^ Someone with sense right here!

@What.I.said.was.

3 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 just speaking my mind, that’s all.

What a fantastic project, hope it gets the tailwind it deserves.

You noticed that ova knuckles have different color boots? i mean instead of being red with yellow "lines" and green sock there are yellow with red "lines" and green socks. And if you ask me i think that the persons that put the technic color to the "cartoon" got confused and put the colors of the boots in the wrong wah but i glad that they put the boots color wrong because now we can draw ova knuckles withouth the hat and the people can know that is ova knuckles because the shoes!

I love the new style that it's mostly from the OVA and other classic games. along with classic, modern, and new moves. From how it looks and plays it looks satisfying to do all these moves. But Out of all of this. I still prefer the Project Hero (2020) Modern it had a lot of opportunity to at least keep both versions and keep them as their own game. ill say when this new demo comes out, I'm sure gonna have a smile on my face when I play this. but also a bit sad that Modern Version is gonna be gone.

@alex_thy_nino3728

3 жыл бұрын

That’s where we call in some good friends called “The modding community”

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

Someone call Hero and ask him where the project files are for PH2!!

@75JUNAKI

3 жыл бұрын

@@alex_thy_nino3728 Idk if that’s possible (misspelling) and also idk if Heros allows it

@alex_thy_nino3728

3 жыл бұрын

@@75JUNAKI Yeaaa I know...

I won't be afraid to say that i completely disagree with this choice. I miss what we had, the whole Modern setting and the movesets. This is a huge degradation of it all. I get he can do what he wants with it because it's his game (i expect to be attacked by 4971248712 people after posting this because the day he announced these changes in the discord servers NO ONE could complain or else they would be crucified.) but i seriously wish he kept things like they were. Why? Why so suddenly? I don't know if i'm interested in the project anymore. It was something so unique and this is just disappointing. I wish he just made them separate and kept going with the Modern one at least, or made it an option. This was already done by so many fangames, and it just looks like a continuation of Sonic Utopia if you ask me. One thing's for sure, i'm not the only disappointed person, but surely the only one that doesn't care about being attacked if i dare to say this lol it's my opinion.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

Wait, did you talk to a guy called Miles Quickster in the server recently? Just wondering. But yeah, it's clear that there's common sense concepts that the community is failing to understand when it comes to this change. It's like people refuse to understand those that gave backlash & criticism, or refuse to think through what's going on. Making them out to be ungrateful just puts their ignorance/negligence on show

@MARKY2428

3 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 I did talk in the discord server once, but it wasn't to a person called like that, and yeah, you're right. I am in no way ungrateful, i really don't care about the project, i just think this change seriously is, in every way, a downgrade. People should see the criticism as criticism. Not an attack or constriction.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@MARKY2428 I'm glad you have sense. Thanks for speaking your mind. To me, it seemed as if you were a person in the server that Miles told me about, since that similar person warned him about the culture of the server in general the moment he walked into the server. So it raises a lot of questions for me

@MARKY2428

3 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 No problem!! Thank you too!!! Oooh, i see, i once said this: i never said a word in this server ever so i feel like i have to make sure ''For talking about Project Hero.'' without getting crucified? just making sure

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@MARKY2428 That comment sure _sounds_ familiar, but I'm unsure myself

I really liked Utopia, so for me this is a welcome change! And the skills and animations also really look good!

I still feel as though the design change was something you can't please Everyone with. I'm in the side where I feel the modern design should have stayed but I'm not gonna insult the creator for his game. That being said, anyone who know anything about promotion should know that first impressions are everything. If you show quality in something and the majority of people like it, then switch it out of nowhere then of course people aren't going to be completely on board with it.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad you understand that marketing principle. Clearly Hero wasn't that well-versed in game dev management, considering how he prompted (this to happen) & handled this. This is what warranted him the backlash, and the way people like gold bone are discrediting the critics (especially since their feedback was substantiated) is so tragic, and really telling to me as to why the fanbase & Sonic itself is so tarnished and void of meaning.

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

Bro are you kidding me this is actually pretty God damn cool they recreated classic knuckles but in 3D with the hat from the movie

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 what the fuck do you mean by marketing principles I don't think heroes into all that shit He's just developing a game that he likes with his passion

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

​@@jwgames3631 ...Look, I understand that you think fondly of the game, so please get it thru your head that I'm not undermining the game. How much of the comments have you been reading and letting sink in? I mean, from the way you're getting excited over character skins and OVA hat models & stuff as if it's something to write home about with a fangame (no offense, there's a better way to word this and I forgot what it is), it seems as if you're young. It's not a big deal for you if you don't get why I'm bringing up marketing principles about a fangame. Unless you want to learn and understand or debate on it (I welcome you to do that because you're capable of learning & growing in many ways despite being a child), just don't mind me and enjoy the game. Read on if you care. If you look back this thread of comments alone, you may come to notice that I'm addressing that Hero brought the backlash and loss of interest in his cool concept of a game upon himself by 'showing quality in something which people majorly came to like, then switching it out of nowhere' (which DLuXX put so very well in the 1st comment). The game is alright I guess, but Hero managed it terribly. He doesn't understand how people process things (which is pretty much a principle of marketing, which is important to understand as a developer if you want people to understand the value in your game and what you're bringing to the table), that or he doesn't care. Like you said "He's *just* developing a game that he likes with his passion", so he doesn't care how it's received. If people crap on it and what he worked to create, he'll pin it against them where he has no room to do so, and people have been doing just that on his behalf. That should say enough. I said this enough times, so if you want to understand where I'm getting at, there are some great comments (that aren't mine) which challenge or put Hero's decisions into question. Not gonna argue with you based on opinions, I'm only here to see who cares about holding people accountable. Again, you don't need to understand, so there's no pressure or shame or any kind of thing like that. It's all on if you want it or if you want to learn for yourself EDIT: I even forgot I talked about Sonic being devoid of meaning and stuff. Man, does anyone even want to talk about what made Sonic good at all or what gave it soul? I'll be hella surprised if people want a convo about a blue hedgehog to go in THAT direction.. Just seeing people crying over and over again about how down they feel about Sonic not being nearly as good anymore without wanting to dive deep into it. It's kinda funny actually.

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 bro my bad for this comment

Is the game still in production? Or is it kinda dead now :’)

It just looks like sonic utopia now

@75JUNAKI

3 жыл бұрын

Now with Tails and Knuckles with his OVA hat.

I don’t think it’s just because people are tired of classic sonic that they’re disappointed. It’s also the fact that we haven’t gotten a good modern game with multiple playable characters in so long, and that was a big reason people were looking forward to the fan game, including me. It had so much potential for putting in a complex story with the modern iterations of the characters, along with some amazing gameplay with inspired move sets for all the characters without so much automation. It would also kind of feel like a wake up call to SEGA showing this is what’s possible and it’s what the fans want. Now it’s just another classic fan game (still great) with the 3 classic characters and just it doesn’t have the same impact for some. I think you took a very simplistic view of of people’s objections to the change in this video.

@imimifox

3 жыл бұрын

And I don’t feel anyone was disrespectful when expressing their distaste of the new change, they just stated that they preferred the old direction and they have a right to feel that way if that was what they were excited for in the fan game.

@75JUNAKI

3 жыл бұрын

Sonic isn’t complex tho

@imimifox

3 жыл бұрын

@@75JUNAKI I mean complex by Sonic standard, and compared to the horrific stories we’ve been getting in recent games. Something that has depth and thought behind it like SA2 (and 06 to some extent)

I hope there’s a fan game with the style of the art from the adventure games. Not how they look in game but the promotional art

@mared7305

2 жыл бұрын

Does Sonic Venture Plus hit close enough to count as one?

@MJGaming57_REAL

2 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 what’s that

@mared7305

2 жыл бұрын

@@MJGaming57_REAL KZread doesn't want to show my replies for some reason :/ It's an Adventure fangame. See what you can find

@MJGaming57_REAL

2 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 alr

@Muugroorber

2 жыл бұрын

Well Sonic Project Advanced might be just right up your alley! Seriously check it out, it has over 5 characters planned and very unique and fun moves

It’s ironic really. Back in the day, people used to complain about Modern Sonic’s design and how different it was from classic’s, and now the tables have turned.

Yeah it was a similar thing with me when I found out he changed the art style, the game in ph 2 looked amazing with high quality models and fluent movement (well except for the spin kick and the hover boards which would definitely not fit in the long run). But when I found out he changed the style to something else, it did kinda upset me. But even with this change I didn’t send any hate comments or anything like that at all, because I thought and still think to this day the changes he made were a good thing. the game somehow feels more fluent, the characters models look cool especially with the shaders, and the characters fit the environment better. Just like with hero I have had some problems to finding the identity of my game, the style didn’t seem right to me and the backgrounds looked descent. But what hero has done with his game is a step in the right direction in my opinion.

oh man i was so happy when i saw the first demo because it showed what modern sonic should be and now the artstyle is the on from the ova its cool but i think im not gonna play the next demo because im kinda disappointed

@alex_thy_nino3728

3 жыл бұрын

Why? U shouldn’t let a design take away from ur enjoyment in something, i dont even have a decent computer to try this. Anyway, it’s pretty much just modern sonic with a classic skin, it’s 3D soooo.....

@yanislp4

3 жыл бұрын

@@alex_thy_nino3728 then ask your parents for a better pc

@alex_thy_nino3728

3 жыл бұрын

@@yanislp4 Yea but I don’t expect my parents to spend 2,000 dollars just to get me a computer, right now Im looking at cheap PC options and my goal is “As long as it can run All project hero’s and more 3D fan games Im good” Im honestly not into shooters and all that

@alex_thy_nino3728

3 жыл бұрын

And also Idk what to tell them, just give them a list of parts that’ll work

@yanislp4

3 жыл бұрын

@@alex_thy_nino3728 you dont need to spend 2000 dollars for a pc mine just cost about 1200 dollars

The punch could have a use. If Knuckles punches an enemy then knuckles will halt his momentum. If he’s in a situation where he has to kill lots of enemies in a room then instead of rolling and shooting off, he can punch an enemy, stop, and then charge the next one. Also another mechanic exclusive to knuckles with the punch could be that if he punches something at high speeds, then instead off going through it, his momentum could be transferred into the enemy, giving him the ability to launch enemies into the distance. Imagine all the levels with knuckles where he might have to build up speed and shove a boulder, bust open a door or do mini games.

@goldbone5703

3 жыл бұрын

Idk, knuckles will likely already have some form of a homing attack that can halt his momentum like sonic and I don’t see being able to launch enimies to a distance being of any use besides looking cool. As for the bursting through secret areas with his strength, you bring up a good point, but I feel like hero will just do what he did with the removed wall jump move in where he incorporates its usefulness into an already existing or new move. Hero knows and cares about useful moves which is why he took out boost and the other features. He has found ways to keep the usefulness of every single one and is probably already considering the usefulness and potential of the punch move, it just depends on how they handle it. I’m sure it will work out in the end

@psionx1

3 жыл бұрын

@@goldbone5703 sonic games normally have boss fights where rolling isn't enough to win. not to mention knuckles stages should be treasure hunting stages so momentum shouldn't be a priority.

@goldbone5703

3 жыл бұрын

@@psionx1 while it is true that boss fights usually take more than rolling to beat, the punch move in a boss fight would probably be be as useless as the roll move especially considering it only worked in ph2 as a less effective way to defeat enemies. while having different characters use their unique abilities to beat bosses in different ways would be good, there are already plenty of different moves that the characters can use to spice up boss fights in their own way. also, idk about the idea that knuckles must have treasure hunting stages. the reason treasure hunting stages were fun was because you could use your unique skillset to explore areas to find hidden goodies, but I think multiple characters are best when they are unique takes on base moves like how they are in PH right now. what I'm trying to say is, I don't see why hero should put in all the work to design a whole stage around knuckles when they can just design the levels to work for both knuckles and the other characters. s3&k and mania were good examples of this. knuckles could access secret pathways that lead to areas designed for him and sometimes he would start in a part of a level designed for him like in ghz in mania. as I said before, hero will probably give knuckles the ability to do this in some way, or he will bring the move back who knows? we just have to wait.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@goldbone5703 "Probably useless probably useless". Then let the fans try it out themselves before throwing it out, then you wouldn't get backlash! This is so foolish from a game dev standpoint

I like the usage of OVA Sonic. Looks like a blend between classic and adventure in a way. Also, Knuckles hat

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

Same with the knuckles hat that shit is drippy

Extreme gear being removed is a huge disappointment...

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it would've been interesting to see how that would be used and how that would make the gameplay more dynamic

@75JUNAKI

3 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 If the Hero engine was used into a game I think it could be used for a Zone or level like the snow board in Ice Cap Zone from S3&K

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@75JUNAKI Yeah, I could see that happening

To be honest, i was feeling like project heros was just an amalgamation of ideas but no identity. This update made a lot more hopeful for the game, since now it has its own aesthetic, gameplay cohesive gameplay ideas, and goal. Just like GT now i'm kinda curious. And as you said, i have some of my ideas of what to do with sonic, so... I might aswell do my own thing

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

Can you program? Also, what are you thinking of making?

@Canalbiruta

3 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 if i can program? Barely. But i have to try you know. Is kinda hard to describe the things i wanna do in small sentences so it might turn into a wall of text. I never liked the super sensitive analog controls for super speed in games like adventure 1 and 2, but although the fast moments in heroes felt good with the low sense, when slow platforming things felt sluguish. At the same time i was thinking about this i found the video from blaze hedgehog about rebooting sonic's gameplay, and one of the ideas sparkled the ideas i have now: give sonic a run button. So basically what I'm thinking is, when you're using the analog to move, you have a speed cap and run pretty much like mario in the 3d games. If you press the right trigger, sonic will overcome his speed cap and run much faster propelling himself forward (kinda like a car, so you don't need to press up in the analog stick, and now have much more control over sonic in higher speeds), but still with a speed cap (much higher though), and the way for him to get faster than this is getting what i will call, sonic boom, that is a state you get when you run for a while with the right trigger (getting rings will accelerate the process of getting a sonic boom) and now, anything that couldn't make you pass the speed cap like homing attacks or dash panels, will give you a small burst of speed, and even spin will have the same effect. This is the base gameplay, i have much more ideas of how to use this base (giving a mixture of elements from advanced 2 with unleashed wii and momentum gameplay from adventure games) but the text might get even longer.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@Canalbiruta Oooh. Interesting. I'm not sure I'm down with this, but I would love to see this concept actually applied so we can get a feel for how things would work when Sonic is controlled like a car! Perhaps someone could build off of it too...

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@Canalbiruta Do you have a page or any kind of feed to post updates about this on btw? Cos I'd like to remember & keep up with this project

@Canalbiruta

3 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 currently no, but i'll probably start to post on github when i have a working test build. Not gonna be long to, so i might remember to link here when it happens.

the original modern project hero was so damn promising it looked so well anc lean

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

So what are you saying this project is promising to you now

@thespider7869

3 жыл бұрын

@@jwgames3631 no

I think it’s an improvement. It seems that Hero is going for a type of gameplay that when you gain your speed, you have to maintain that speed and he changed the mechanics a bit to better suit that vision. I really like it and honestly the classic sonic complaints are just nit picks and not really critiques. Just because it’s not a Sonic design you like, doesn’t mean it “got worse”. I used to think that this fan base was just toxic babies but it’s just split. Sonic Team has been lacking in being consistent but this fan game is looking to be a very consistent, high quality, and overall fun game.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

It is a valid critique though. How does he have the incompetence to build hype around the vision & appeal of Modern Sonic gameplay fluidly realized with a complementary comprehensive moveset, then proceed to just scrap it all and throw it all away unavailable to those that appreciated his initial work? That's like a big slap to their faces, at best. Then they gave him feedback & backlash as a result and people like you are now characterizing them _like_ ungrateful "babies"? You're painting it in such a tarnishing way compared to what it actually is. People like you who refuse to think straight & understand shit are prompting the fanbase to be increasingly worse/divided.

@cadetw1376

3 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 in a nutshell: Finally, a modern sonic fangame with a good, fluid engine featuring cool movesets for different characters -> Sonic Utopia 2

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@cadetw1376 LOL pretty much. No wait, it's ✨ _OVA Utopia_ ✨...

Great video and thanks for the update! I was skeptical of Hero’s art change but the cel-shaded Sonic looks great! Who knows, Hero could throw in the modern models as a skin when he puts out the main thing. Thanks again.

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

Oh so you're one of those guy 😂

@ragnell27

3 жыл бұрын

@@jwgames3631 ???

Awe what!?!? Knuckles punching was removed!?!? Awe man!

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

But hey look on the bright side at least we got that drippy ass hat from the OVA

@thechubbyprotaganist

3 жыл бұрын

@@jwgames3631 never liked it. I dont like headwear like that on official characters. Knux looks better without it

I don't think this is a bad step forward per se, but I feel as if the removal of some of the movesets that made the hero project so unique is what bothers me. Knuckles losing his punches tails losing the speed boost, and sonic losing the light dash and spin kick is a huge bummer. Of course, you said that these moves could come back but to me, it gave these characters a bit more flair to their characters. As with the character designs, I like that he wants to do the OVA sonic look, but they still look more like the classic style that we are all accustomed too. He needs to make them more stylish and unique looking. Maybe he could take some ascepts of the modern look and apply it to the models now. Make them more lanky and have a more rich color on their pallets, really try to make the style shine. I say this because the OVA basically feelings like an amalgamation between modern and classic looks in a way to me, but that's just how I see it. Overall, I hope the look changes a bit more because I don't want it to be jumbled in with all the other classic games. This engine has amazing potential and I want it to be as good as it can be, and so far it hasn't disappointed me. So please Hero if you see this take this small critique into thought, you don't have to follow what I say of course but I really have high hopes, this doesn't come from hate, this comes from pure excitement and high hopes for your fan-game.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

I applaud this comment 🙌

Honestly the thing that made me love Project Hero from the start is the momentum-based speed physics, no matter WHAT the game looks like, as long as that isn't removed I have a feeling I'll enjoy the finished product whatever it turns out to be :) even if it's Classic Sonic it's going to feel great to play and that's what really matters, at least, to me anyway. About the removed moves? having played the demo I agree they didn't have a use, removing things that don't have a reason to be there probably makes it easier on Hero as a developer.

I'm so excited for this awesome project, can't wait to see its future. I really love the classic designs.

So basically a lot of the things people liked about it has been taken out? Huh weird

@What.I.said.was.

3 жыл бұрын

Sums it up 👏🏾

@galaksen1699

3 жыл бұрын

But its replaced with a clear vision for the future of the fangame. It finally looks like more than just a prototype.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@GiGiTheCatjoy Thanks for this. Also, all of those really could've been optional rather than completely removed. He really doesn't have to work on it, so it doesn't make sense to me that he removed it and did what he did. But hey, _it's his project,_ right?

@ginogatash4030

3 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 if he removed it clearly he must have had a reason, PH2's mechanics were interesting, but they felt kinda unnecessary too, it looks fun to mess around in its demo state, but having so many different mechanics in an actual full game may be difficult to handle, the new build looks much more focused in design philosophy, all the moves feel necessary to the core gameplay loop and nothing is superficial, people are allowed to miss PH2 of course, and assholes aside, I don't think anyone will try to take that away from you, but the previous builds, while interesting and fun, were kinda unfocused and felt like a prototype for the sake of making a prototype, PH3 is the first build that actually feels like part of something bigger and I'm excited to see how it'll turn out.

@ginogatash4030

3 жыл бұрын

@@GiGiTheCatjoy I don't think PH3 could've achieved a more focused design philosophy without cutting stuff out, it was really fun to mess with the many mechanics of that prototype, but there were too many moves that had the same effect of others as well as moves that conflicted with each other which would've undermined their addition in the final build had they gone for a PH2 like build. And having that many mechanics was probably hard for Hero to handle properly in the game, which is probably why he decided to cut out so much stuff in the first place, I mean, making a level that makes use of all your mechanics is pretty hard, having less moves that are all aimed at the one core theme of the game, which in this case seems to be "keeping your momentum" will allow Hero to focus on level design built around those few core mechanics rather than having to worry about how to fit so many different mechanics into one cohesive project.

When's this gonna release it looks cool it's been 2 years

@CritKantana

8 ай бұрын

Canceled

@jaynothinelse

8 ай бұрын

@@CritKantana sad :(

love how respectful this person is

ok, now i've come to love the new style, the effects are really nice, i hope this project gets better and better

I don't mean to sound like THAT guy, but I think I prefer the previous models for the characters. As well as the animations.

@fish5467

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, the old animations were so bouncy and very pleasing to look at

The style is absolutely beautiful, when I saw the spin dash and the wall run, gorgeous😍! I hope it's possible to add sonic's air shot that he does In the movie to kind of fly. The best description I can think of it's that it would have a similar mechanic to lucario's up b in smash but in aerial spin dash

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

Sonic OVA the video game

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO LOVES OVA SONIC ARTSTYLE OR JUNIO / SONIC CD ARTSTYLE

Looking back, inertest in this game died when it became a utopia clone Also there’s now plenty of 3d fan games like sonic gt, sonic overdrive, sonic storm, p-06, rush 3d, etc Even omens had ppl talking about it when it came out

In the Project Hero (Ph2) demo, Knuckles was able to spin dash while on a wall. That's the one thing I hope that's in the ph3 iteration for Knuckles as I find that to be very helpful in scaling a wall much faster

I may prefer the old version but these are easily the best Classic Sonic has looked in 3D

@alex_thy_nino3728

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mamamiawhataspicymeat-a-ball i mean honestly their just the same person, classic getting games doesn’t mean that theres any competition or saying their two different people.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mamamiawhataspicymeat-a-ball What would you do to stop it, considering that you really care that it's annoying you?

This game looks incredible. I agree with every change made too (I'm indifferent about the art style; Classic and Modern Sonic are both just Sonic to me). The game has a clear sense of direction, and it looks very fluid and brisk. I especially love the idea to quickly roll back down a half pipe by holding down roll while wall running. Most of the fan games I've seen send Sonic moon jumping high up into the air when he spin dashes up a half pipe (which is great for exploring), but they didn't have any options for getting back down quickly if you want to keep charging forward. In this game you can do both. So yeah, it looks amazing, and I can't wait to see it when it's finished.

i can understand why people are upset of there being another fan game with a "classic sonic style" (although i see no problem with it and i think the use of the sonic ova character designs is really cool). i just hope theres no one thats so up in arms about it to the point of dropping the whole game, i also hope hero doesnt pull a sonic movie and redesigns the characters over somethin stupid like that. it just feels like people arent looking into it any further than just another classic sonic styled game and dismissing it based on just that.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

I can understand that you feel that way, but that is not the situation here at all. I'd hate to even call it the surface level of what's happening here. But anyways, have fun with the game

@StyleStention

3 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 ...then what is the situation?

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@StyleStention Hero inadvertently built up hype for a refined engine surrounding fluid Modern Sonic gameplay, then inadvertently shat on everyone who appreciated that promise by scrapping it all without any compromise or statement to those people. Since he poorly managed his project & changed it to something that is *fundamentally different from what the project was even 1 iteration/release earlier,* people rightfully gave him criticism & backlash. The problem is not necessarily that it was changed to Classic style, that is just the *context* for the problem. People were looking into it further (unlike what you parade here), and that's what you people are failing to understand. The complete redefining of the project is shown in the video, but you were fooled by the narrative for whatever reason you now believe it to be true...

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@StyleStention Now is there anything you are confused about or don't understand? Can you understand how people didn't necessarily dismiss it because of the game itself, but because of Hero & how he did it?

@StyleStention

3 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 so he made a promise?

I'm going to be honest I don't like the changes made, other than the wall run which is just fine and other moves that I'm fine with, but won't put in here edit: the punching, drop kicking and bombs being removed is just a lost of variety I know i can just roll, but what if I don't want to!? it's just boring old spinning for attacks like who wants that? it's just a waste of options. huge loss of variety and choices

Hate on me all you want, but I don't care, I always wanted a game which had 2d sonic, I never liked the design of sonic in sonic utopia, but in project hero it looks pretty smooth, which I like, I don't care if you say anything, this game is perfect for me, although I liked the modern sonic demo, this one is way TOO perfect for me.

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

So you like OVA Sonic I dig that

@milesquickster5534

3 жыл бұрын

^ Okay.

I thought this will be great engine for modern sonic fangames, so I'm sure a little disappointed. Yeah, there wasn't much of Classic Sonic in SEGA games as you said, but most of fangames are in the classic style, 3D or not. I really love Sonic Grand Tour fangame, so I had some hopes for Sonic Project Hero to be the second best modern Sonic fangame, but it now can be the best classic Sonic fangame instead and I can still love playing it. So, not exactly what I would prefer Sonic Project Hero to be, BUT I'm sure this fangame will be great anyway. And I'm in love with wallrun tho

@goldbone5703

3 жыл бұрын

yeah. I did see that a lot of other people where upset since they don't see a lot of good modern fangames and they thought this would finally be another good one. I think a lot more exist but you just gotta know where to look. (sonic core, sonic advanced project, and sonic calamity are some examples that come to mind.)

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@goldbone5703 I don't think that changes people's opinions or how they feel about this situation. The fact is that they were misled and tacitly disrespected

I knew very little about this project, and after seeing this video i gotta say: wow what a bunch of entitled babies. You don't like it? that's fine. However this Hero guy is working for free, you don't get to say what he has to do, it's his project and he owes nothing to anybody.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

You've just demonstrated that you don't understand the concepts of _criticism/critique_ and _feedback._ People were invested into Hero's project at first, they had a stake in it. And he went & took a huge dump on them in a tacit way due to how he poorly handled the project. People have every right to voice theie concerns, _and they are upholding decorum too!_ How disrespectful & moronic of you to belittle them like that with no grounds to even do so

@Ketchup1810

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr they treat it like an official game and complain over an art style

@rodrigomarcondes5857

3 жыл бұрын

@@mared7305 they did not have a stake in it and the hero guy ABSOUTELY did not take a dump on anybody, this is precisely the problem with you entitled people. People would have stakes on the project if they were involved on its production too, however they are not. You chose to ignore what i said so i'll repeat it: you don't like it? it's fine, voice your opinion how much you want to. But you DON'T get to say what he has to do, it's HIS fan project period. It's like if you were drawing fan art and some random people you've never seen before who did not pay for your art, came over and were like "oh i don't like that, can you do it again but in the way i like it". Fuck you, you're the moronic kid here

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@rodrigomarcondes5857 Entitled? You've never had classes on comprehension before, have you? Cause for one thing, you clearly don't understand what *_tacit_* means. If you did, it would've been a clue to you as to how Hero undermined or took a dump on them. People were invested in the project out of their own interest & volition, and the fact that it was just Hero's fun passion project changes nothing. That's all I'll say for now. I'll properly read this comment later LOL✌

even tho I love toei sonic this was a terrible design choice

The project has been gutted as far as I'm concerned. Remove Knuckles' punch in favor of a fucking spindash roll? Really? That among a dozen other issues really does confirm that the Infinity engine will be the engine of choice going forward.

@milesquickster5534

3 жыл бұрын

Yoo thanks for reminding me! I overlooked the probability that Project Hero was initially intended to be a kind of engine. Like, I'm pretty sure that's the case, but now it's become a Classic Sonic wet dream...sorta

l like both the OVA and Modern Sonic so I don't really have a problem with the changes on the art style. The transition of the OVA designs to 3D is fantastic!

I think this looks amazing! I have no complaints at all. You do whatever you want to do with the direction of the game!

Not gonna lie, I was and still am very disappointed with the direction change as I think the whole "we need to go back to go forward" mentality in the fanbase is toxic and just wrong. We don't need sonic adventure 3, we don't need to go back to the classic era, we don't need to pander to nostalgia in order to make modern sonic good. With that said, the changes still don't change my opinion about the project itself. It's the golden standard for 3D sonic gameplay. I can't wait to play it when it's finished. It's clear a ton of hard work and passion went in to the project.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK🙌

Does Knuckles still have his Climbing Wall-Dash ability from the Sonic Advance games?

@hayond656

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that too

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

That would be awesome

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

We don't know but that drippy ass had he got is looking hella cool

I don't know what I signed up for when I decided to watch this video but it sure wasn't a 5 minute rant about the issues within the sonic fandom lmao

Honestly the wall run being added just furthers my point that this is lost world’s play style except it’s a trillion times better

He really should release the source code for the previous version so people can actually do something with it

@ginogatash4030

3 жыл бұрын

You can just download the unreal engine and dash engine, that's pretty much it.

@jwgames3631

3 жыл бұрын

Bro people still asking for the open source yeah y'all should just give up at this point hero is not going to make his shit open source

@silverreaps6803

2 жыл бұрын

@@jwgames3631 im just saying it would be best to

@jwgames3631

2 жыл бұрын

@@silverreaps6803 damn bro it took you long enough to reply lol 😂

@silverreaps6803

2 жыл бұрын

@@ginogatash4030 not really

I honestly like the changes except for Knuckles' punches being removed. It can be extremely useful if you aren't good at fast paced gameplay as him. I also prefer modern over classic Sonic but I don't really care about that part that much.

@alex_thy_nino3728

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it would have been cool if there were certain robots that can’t be destroyed by rolling, but I guess it’s to keep the game fast

@YTDani75

3 жыл бұрын

@@alex_thy_nino3728 I'm not really talking about certain robots being immune to rolling. I'm just saying that punching as knuckles is what makes him unique for the most part. Removing it is an odd choice.

@alex_thy_nino3728

3 жыл бұрын

@@YTDani75 yeah but I dont think it would’ve come to much use and probably would’ve just slowed down the game

@YTDani75

3 жыл бұрын

@@alex_thy_nino3728 You can still go fast with punches. If everyone's base gameplay is just about speed then why even have more playable characters than Sonic?

@alex_thy_nino3728

3 жыл бұрын

@@YTDani75 well for the other characters it’s not really about going fast, but having new abilities and putting them to use by finding secret pathways or whatever, i cant promise that Hero would do this Im just saying

I was looking for this EVERYWHERE and besides the one twitter post I would originally go to see this info from, I also didnt see anyone talk about THIS GOD TIER GAMEPLAY that I would like to see more of in the future. Thank you so much for this video man, instant sub 💙💙💙

@alex_thy_nino3728

3 жыл бұрын

Yea I think the only person who talked about it besides this Guy was Antdude. But that was only like 12 seconds

@megamusmaximusD1

3 жыл бұрын

@@alex_thy_nino3728 LMAO thx for the info my guy, bout to watch it rn 👌🏿

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@megamusmaximusD1 I can see why people aren't talking about it and why they may no longer be interested

The end of this video, the part addressing the "fan criticism" is completely unnecessary. Hero and his team are their own developers and artists. They can make whatever kind of Sonic game they want. While, I too prefer the "phase 2" iteration from an artistic/aesthetic standpoint, if they want to harken back to the direction the OVA took for inspiration that's fine. I'm still interested because this man and his team have created the best and, IMO close to perfect, iteration of 3D Sonic gameplay I've played (momentum based, highspeed and all). I'm also confused at this notion that the inclusion of "Green Hill" is classic Sonic pandering. Thats the character's unique aesthetic roots. Every time Mario includes blocks, blue skies and castles I hear NO ONE saying that Mario is "nostalgia pandering" and hell, those are in every one of his games. My point is, at this time SEGA is (finally) capitalizing and building on their brand using its SIGNATURE THEMES and that's a good thing! It's part of the consistency I as a Sonic fan (and I'm sure many of you) have longed for. Sure, be daring and artistically free but, never lose those signature things that make Sonic special and Sonic Sonic. Anywho, great work so far to Hero and all who work with him and I appreciate the update!

@mizzix

2 жыл бұрын

There is a big difference between elements of a stage and stages. Mario doesn't use the first stage of the first mario game on every single mario game. Sonic uses green hill zone on everything after generations besides boom and lost world. (And even then windy hill is literally green hill but tubes) its tiring. Happily green hill isnt an actual stage of the game.

I'm as excited as ever for this project, even if some of the fancy stuff was gutted for being unneeded. It's kinda a shame, because I was really digging that Tails gameplay from ph2. But that doesn't upset me in the least.

6:58 amazing, this is going to be really beautiful!

The game still looks great, but damn, do I not like this being yet ANOTHER fan game with a Classic aesthetic (there's too many classic fangames and not enough modern ones IMO, plus Sega and Sonics' games have oversaturated recently with the Classic Era). This still looks fun to play, but the change is gonna bother me lol

@Ketchup1810

3 жыл бұрын

stop treating sonics different designs like different characters, who cares if this unofficial sonic game uses the developers favorite design for sonic

@Bruno-fw6nw

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ketchup1810 it's basically a different character, they have different personality, different design and gameplay It's like vegeta at the start of dragon ball z and vegeta from super

@Ketchup1810

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bruno-fw6nw sonic and sonic should be treated as the same person you don’t need to differentiate them just have 1 sonic

@alexsartandgameschannel3883

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ketchup1810 Yes they are the same character, but they look, act, and play differently so for some people it's hard NOT to differentiate the 2... I personally don't have a preference for a specific Sonic, but I would have liked it to be Modern Sonic in this instance given how many Classic Fan games there are If you think there should only be one sonic that's fine, but don't force it onto other people...

@Ketchup1810

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexsartandgameschannel3883 I’m not forcing it on other people I’m saying that sega shouldn’t have split sonic into 2 characters and the fact that people are getting upset and saying he ruined it because sonic is slightly shorter and has black eyes because that’s what hero prefers is just ridiculous

There was potential for knuckles having werehog-like stages with his combos But why is it removed???

I'm so glad someone put out an update.

@mared7305

3 жыл бұрын

Me too

I say this a great change! Yes, I loved the way PH2 handled the gameplay, but this current iteration feels unique to me. And using the OVA style for character designs is a really interesting and very nice touch to a game that can most definitely make this game feel like its something right out of that universe. The Cel-shading is a nice touch as well. Personally, I hope this really goes well for Hero. Yeah, the vocal minority can hate on me all they want, but I say let's see where this project goes.

I don't quite like these changes i like the previous version more....

@widerekxxanimations6842

3 жыл бұрын

I don't like the New version

@logan_M_

3 жыл бұрын

Every one is entitled to their own opinions. So long as you don't treat those opinions as facts.

@widerekxxanimations6842

3 жыл бұрын

@@logan_M_ i know while i don't like it other people can

@Ketchup1810

3 жыл бұрын

There’s hardly any difference besides graphics and designs