I still remember the frontiers gameplay video where everyone said the game looked bad…

@Tozito911

7 ай бұрын

and now, it’s a really good game

@bobotank86

7 ай бұрын

You're a time traveler

@Otherface

7 ай бұрын

I've also seen people who complained about it looking like a fangame. The irony.

@Nintendopowerdude

7 ай бұрын

I mean, it kinda does in a visual sense. It's zero personality open "zones" filled with egregious pop in. And yes, the pop in does affect the experience, especially in Final Horizons where it can be damn near impossible to save yourself from falling on the towers

@rezenhasqn8308

7 ай бұрын

@@Nintendopowerdude bait used to be beleaveble

I really hope SEGA gives Sonic Team enough time and budget to fully realize the next 3D sonic game. They had so many cool ideas for open-zone sonic and I want to see it come to life in the next game!

@qnxipa386xb20xn

7 ай бұрын

Cringe, you said "Open-Zone." Loser verified.

@MUI_Noam12

7 ай бұрын

I think next game will be much more polished since they got the game formula down which iirc took them a lot of time.

This one game utterly decimated the whole "Apathetic Kishimoto" narrative

(1:46) the gold enemies are most likely were supposed to be on the 5th Island and Date back to the sonic rangers build and as for the "Ubisoft Trowers" there's nothing left but a part of them when you first play the game and fight your first enemies there's a red glowing wall behind you this is most likely used for the "ubisoft Trowers".

There's also an unused Supreme QTE where instead of him just firing a single shot from his rifle, he would shoot a series of shots that were either dark or light (like in the old final boss/hacking minigame) and to dodge you had to press LB or RB accordingly. He also makes some sick poses while shooting. It can be re-enabled in the HedgeModManager if somebody wants to try it out

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

I didn't include that on the list because it was actually reimplemented in update 3!

@MGLpr0

7 ай бұрын

@@SFproductions1 They added it ? When I was playing through the Update I just got the standard single shot, press X to dodge QTE Maybe I just wrecked his HP too fast or something, and that skipped it

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

you gotta so something very specific to trigger it

@evdestroy5304

7 ай бұрын

​@@SFproductions1What do you do?

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

its random but you gotta fail to parry his yellow laser at a certain point I'm pretty sure@@evdestroy5304

My first ever pre order was Sonic frontiers

They actually brought back the Beta Kronos guardians in a bit of a sense with the Caterpillar+. You can see the similar attacks between Beta Caterpillar and Caterpillar+

@evdestroy5304

7 ай бұрын

Same with having a Spider variant in Ouranous

@FirestoneAnimation

7 ай бұрын

@@evdestroy5304 Yeah I noticed that too by the second rewatch. I'm surprised they made a fresh design for Spider+ but didn't use the beta Caterpillar one. At rhe very least they could've changed the names like the previous guardians. Ninja could've been Samurai, Tank = Artillery, Spider = Tarantula etc etc.

I'm surprised you didn't look into the Sonic Frontiers CGWORLD magazine. It contains photos of a scale model of Kronos Island's heightmap, with Giganto's arena completely missing and unique land in its place. It also has an extra long cliff near the caterpillar forest, and a completely removed island near the northwest corner. There are remnants of this in the files - namely, there's a "wind map" and "fog map" that depict this even earlier version of Kronos.

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

what?! i had no idea this existed!

@lam7207

7 ай бұрын

That sounds sick! Can we get a link to it, please?

@epicjubjub02

7 ай бұрын

I don't have a link on hand, but just search up "Sonic Frontiers CGWORLD magazine" and you'll find it.

@christopherford39

7 ай бұрын

​@@epicjubjub02on KZread or google

@corruptedteka

7 ай бұрын

If you know where to find it that'd be really cool !

Man, this is crazy! Imagine a reality where the game released with all of the stuff that was cut or unused. Great video, my dude! I can tell you put in a lot of effort. :D

@Gman-mw5jq

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. I wish all this stuff was fully realized. It would’ve easily made it much better than it was today.

I was definitely curious about the Sonic Beta & unused content iceberg. I’m definitely really curious that Sonic Frontiers had some stuff that we going to be in the opening Cutscene. It’s definitely weird how they scrapped chaos Island boss. I’m definitely happy that we got the Knuckles Prologue for Frontiers instead of Knuckles being in the opening cutscene for Sonic Frontiers. I’m definitely surprised that there was lot of Sonic Frontiers beta and lost content. Great video SF Production)

@crimumb4839

7 ай бұрын

this comment looks AI generated

@jumpyman9754

7 ай бұрын

@@crimumb4839yep lol

The infinite one could also be that the singer from it did an early version of the song, as I’m pretty sure he is credited with helping to write undefeatable

@evdestroy5304

7 ай бұрын

No, he did Find Your Flame.

@pokestyn

7 ай бұрын

@@evdestroy5304 if you check the credits of the game he is credited for helping with the lyrics on every titan theme

@FirestoneAnimation

6 ай бұрын

​@@evdestroy5304what they meant is credited for helping with the lyrics, whereas what you meant is he did the singing for Find Your Flame (which is the best titan theme of them all in my own opinion)

8:54-9:15 Yeah this seems to be the case at least for Sonic because ever since Sonic CD it has been like that. The animated or CG cutscenes are made before the game even is at a certain completion rate, meaning that in Sonic CD there's a part in the end animation that Sonic is in the unused level known as R2 and in the first Sonic Riders in the CG cutscenes the characters designs still haven't been finished yet and don't match the in game character models 6:28p.m. 10/13/2023

I’m really curious to know what the planned ending of the game was originally going to be like. Cuz we know that Kronos (and Rhea and Ouranos), Ares and Chaos, but those are only 3 Islands. If the world ship was originally the final “island”, how would the original final boss have turned out? Would Supreme even exist in this version of the game? How would The End’s boss fight play out? I guess we’ll never know

@HydraCity-Z

7 ай бұрын

I would guess for The End boss fight that instead of Sage piloting Supreme to shoot down The End in space, she would pilot the worldship with Sonic. That would also explain why her dialoge suggests taking over the controls of said ship.

6:31 Bro Tails is such a champ, he can fly underwater and is still going. SEGA hire this man

One of the best icebergs I’ve seen in a while Sonic frontiers’ beta is rly interesting

It’s interesting to see what was cut or didn’t make it in the final version for Sonic Frontiers due to either time constraints or changing ideas. It’s clear that some things were going to be used much differently than what they’re used for now. The idea of a Titan factory on Chaos Island is especially fascinating to me.

Fun fact Gigantos jump and stomp thing he does in that early footage is in the game It happens if hes pushed too close to the end of the arena

A fucking iceberg video? This is peak

I hope one day Sega releases the beta builds of this game. That would be a dream come true.

I will still remember theorizing that the fourth and fifth island are going to be snow themed and machinery themed before Frontiers comes out

Fun fact : they actually reused the unused spider guardian for update 3s spider plus ( i havent seen the vid so i dont know if he said thsi

I would’ve never thought, a sonic froniters iceberg! I haven’t seen no one yet to touch deep into this game. Perfect Video 👍🏾

Boy have I waited for this video. It’s peak as always

8:36 was def a reference to shadow of the colossus, great vid btw!

I hope some of the unused ideas end up getting used in the next game. Exploring the ancients space ship being one of them

The leak shown in the video mentioning the ghost girl that gave you rings, also mentioned that it was against a giant tree boss. Given the comment about Amy, this most likely was Giganto, but it's hard to believe someone would mistake Giganto for being a tree. What do you think happened?

@FirestoneAnimation

6 ай бұрын

The bosses were probably gonna he organic instead of mechanical. But that's just my theory.

Tbh I think "Cyloop" sounds better than "Spin Cycle" Cyloop just sounds more unique

@AltKaxREAL

7 ай бұрын

It's so funny how many of us thought the exact opposite when we first learned the move was called "Cyloop" and not "Spin Cycle" lol now we're accustomed to it being called Cyloop

why'd you drown my boy tails?

It's still hard to believe in less than a month from now it will be the year anniversary when I first played and this change has had a huge impact in my life in the past year I have been with this game since the days of the first teaser and game play footage and has gotten me back into video games with it also has put my faith back into the franchise I have been into Sonic mostly out of the franchises I like and it's thanks to this game Sonic Frontiers will always be my favorite video game playing it and watching I will forever treasure this game till the day I die awesome video you did a fantastic job keep up the amazing work my friend:)

I don't know why but tails on the iceberg is so adorable

an iceberg? cool! im going to have fun today.

Finally an iceberg after all this time!!!

I always love to see beta/unused content in video games, sonic frontiers was definitely the most unique game when it comes to that

Yo, I had no idea super sonic could drift...

Sonic Frontiers is the most documented game for concept, beta and alpha.

Man seeing these footage makes me remember back when this game got announced on Sonic Central like everybody was anxious as to what type of game would it be and would it be bad or good and once it got revealed on the Game Awards I was so excited like finally a Sonic game with free movement after so long like I still can't believe it... Also sidenote You forgot that at one point Sonic's Parry used to be a lot harder to perform leading to one of the playtester to ask the devs to change it it could've been similar to how perfect parry was handled on Update 3

I wonder if you will add more since there has been some stuff that's been revealed about beta frontiers and some facts from final horizon

It really seems like they had a great vision going into this game, but for whatever reason weren't able to fully realize it. Seeing that a lot of the beta builds didn't have the Memory Token obstacle courses and puzzles puts the fact that they're all just floating platforms and rails into context. I really like the more momentum/ramp based designs they started using since Update 2, and I just sincerely hope in the next 3D Sonic game we can get similarly designed segments that are actually part of the environment and not pasted in out of random platforms because of time or money constraints.

Great video as always. Question. Do you think if Sonic Team had more time to develop Update 3, we could've seen the return usage of the Ancient's Worldship? Story wise, I could see them importing it as a final secret area on hard mode to advance the story to fight The End. Or maybe upon completing all Cyberspace challenges with an S Rank the ship becomes accessible. There you would find Master King, and he'll congratulate you for your accomplishments. As a fine reward he'll grant you the ability to utilize Super Sonic (Like how he did when fighting the Titans), but for free roaming.

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

It would've been cool for them to use it for the trials

My first Iceberg video! 6:16p.m. 10/13/2023

on the bright side they had the determination to make the game better post release,sure not everything its included but i think the game is really good with the extra stuff unlike some poketmonsters indie company with unknow ip who launches unplayable stuff...

9:09 "The CG for Frontiers waw made well before the game was released" Yeah imagine if they made trailers after the release

@SFproductions1

6 ай бұрын

I said WELL before dipshit 😅

Wish we got a snow theme island

@FirestoneAnimation

6 ай бұрын

Should've gotten a snow themed and Ouranos should've been in the sky. Like the island names are names of ancient gods. (Ch)Kronos, the God of time, Ares, the God of War, Chaos... well chaos, etc etc. Ouranos, the God of the sky.

The two caterpillars fighting has a lot of work put into it for an unused cutscene😹

neat video!

Remember when people basicaly wanted the game to be bad so they could call it the new “Sonic 06”? Yeah,me neither

One thing that was (debatably) left out was the pink hair girl from Tails Tube. In an episode of Tails Tube, when talking about humans in the Sonic world, mixed in with all the Unleashes characters, there's a girl with pink hair. She has no prior origin, and when someone asked Ian Flynn about this, he responded with "#KnowingSmile" so obviously it was supposed to be something. Many people assumed this meant she was gonna appear in Frontiers. But this didn't happen I say this was "debatably" left out because it might not have been a Frontiers thing. There's a chance she's for something else we haven't seen yet. But who knows. (There *are* rumors of a new Sonic next year, maybe she's for that??)

@SquishMTR

7 ай бұрын

The channel NativeFall did a good video on this character if you wanna know the full story

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

I did think about including that but yeah like you said, it was never confirmed if she was supposed to be in frontiers or not

I honestly think it sucks that these games have to be multiplatform. Because as big as a Nintendo fan as I am, the Switch is the culprit for the constant downsizing and reworking. I love the obstacle course free roaming still we got in the final version, but I wish these devs got to work on just similarly powerful hardware.

@FirestoneAnimation

6 ай бұрын

Just imagine if they didn't have to adapt to the switch and focused on PC, PS5 series X.

And I hope they learn on how to do a World Premiere again, they need to put someone who knows how the game runs before showcasing it in the public eye for the first time (LOOKING AT IGN)

I want to explore the ancients' world ship.....

man I just hope a full beta build leaks one day pre relaese of this game is more interesting than the game itself lmao

you forgot to include that they were originally planning to have a stealth system by the fact that there's an used animation where sonic does a "slow walk"

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

There was honestly a lot of stuff I missed lol but thanks for pointing this out that's very interesting!

Hello SF productions, I love your content and this video was really fun. This was really informative of background info and fun facts. One fact that I feel you may have overlooked or missed are the grave/manorial sites all over the game. In many ancient and native cultures. The meaning of stacking rocks is to symbolize where someone great, valuable, and loved has died or where someone was berried. Today it is used to guide travelers from getting lost, but we’re talking ancients. At a time of destruction. It might also symbolize to a god that they appreciate them or mean peace. Do you think those rocks are there to symbolize the countless people lost or tell a god: the god of death aka the end they mean and want peace? Also, the taller the stack the greater and more meaningful the person. Maybe now you’d think twice before pushing over another stack in frontiers. Frontiers actually got a little dark but suggests some of the ancients beliefs or traditional mourning process. I find that very deep and interesting yet simple.

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

thats cool but sage confirmed in update 3 that they were just a game that the ancients played to see who can stack the rocks the highest

14:33 fin.

It is confirmed that a Multiverse exist in the Sonic world. You can talk about the potential stories Sonic Team can create in the future sense multiverse movies are all the rage now. Maybe Sonic can meet an alternate version of Tails who became Infinite instead of the Jackal Squad Captain. We can learn the fates of the other Shadows from the non canon endings of Shadow the Hedgehog 2005. We can see a world where the echdinas never died. Even Sanic and Sonic.exe can make cameos.

The more sonic frontiers cut content videos i see more i think i may have figured out what they were trying to do in the games beta version and what they try to make when they split the 1st island in 3. (ASK if you want to)

In my opinion even if the game has flaws still can give you fun time

Someone on twiter, say to Kishimoto to leave the beta version, do not rush the game and make it the biggest yet, with many different zones.

Hope some day the beta version of frontiers got leaked or something and we can play it Or at leasg be fully 100% recreated with mods

Sonic Team couldn’t do it because of how strict SEGA was. They literally had left them for dead and then Frontiers brought the light. (Actually, it was the second movie as well as Colors Ultimate which generated extra currency that brought it to their attention.) I am so upset and dissatisfied now, knowing that maybe there could’ve been so much, much more to this game that actually would’ve made me like this more than Sonic 06. If anything, I just want games at their very best. Not shortened with the downplay of its potential.

Hope sonic team can have enough time and more budget to make a good sonic open zone game

It is hard to wait, but I would rather have a delayed game then one that was rushed and stripped from what it could have been. Same with movies. By the way rip Tails’s homing attack! I get the wrench, but Tails needs that homing attack! And I noticed in the video Sonic had extra speed boost circles is that a mod or can you actually get that in the game?

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

That was a feature added in update 2

@ShyGirlMellow

7 ай бұрын

@@SFproductions1how do you get it?

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

You gotta bring new koco to the elder koco

@ShyGirlMellow

7 ай бұрын

@@SFproductions1 ohhhh I just recently maxed out Sonic’s stats and since that was supposed to be it I didn’t think about any extra stats. I even missed out on a meteor shower because I was busy doing something and I thought what’s the point lol thanks for the help

I wish they hadn't split Kronos or cut down Ares. I love exploring the Islands just for fun and Kronos feels too small now and Ares is my favourite Island, so making it bigger would be more fun.

What about Ian Flynn’s Hyper Sonic proposal?

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

that wouldve been a cool thing to add

@FirestoneAnimation

6 ай бұрын

Considering that Solaris took 3 super powered hedgehogs to beat, and Ian confirmed The End is second strongest to Solaris, it could've been a great implementation. Plus the master emerald seemed to play a more important role during the Rhea scenes. And Knux managed to use a Cyberspace portal to get to Starfall during Divergence. So they could do all that for Hyper. But I'm glad we got update 3 anyway

Did they find shadow?

commenting this before watching but i remember hearing a rumor about the story saying that sonic was going to have amnesia and i was so excited because i love stories with amnesia lol. so disappointed because i feel like if that were true then the story could’ve been more emotional EDIT; omg it’s on the iceberg i wasn’t imagining it

@FirestoneAnimation

6 ай бұрын

If you stand around long enough during Rheas segment, Sonic starts to say some scary shit: "My name is... my name.. is...?" Or "Must complete objective...?" As it sounded like Sonic was gonna get amnesia from the cyber corruption

“Sonic Starfall” sounds so badass. I almost like it better than Frontiers

@anotheryoutubeaccount5259

7 ай бұрын

Ehhh no

@Kiezly

7 ай бұрын

@@anotheryoutubeaccount5259 Ehhh yes

@FirestoneAnimation

6 ай бұрын

Both sound solid.

(Do not research) always scares the living shit out of me

I love sonic frontiers

You should have mentioned the original 4th island reather then just referencing it and where’s my boy hyper sonic at?

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

There's a whole topic on the iceberg dedicated to the fourth island lmao

HAPPY FRIDAY THE 13TH EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🦇🎃👻☠️💀🍬 6:13p.m. 10/13/2023

#sonicsuperstars ?

I’ve already said the ares one is innacurate 🥶🥶🥶🤑🤑🤑💀🤑🤑🤑

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

How is it inaccurate

I remember those days without sleeping wondering how they're going to implement one my favorite franchises into open-world, EVERYDAY (not joking) searching on the 4Chan to see those leaks and rumors on how the game runs, since 2019 hearing about the Sonic Rangers game, until May 31st when they released the teaser gameplay, good times. 💙

haha thats what she said

Something i didn't see on this ice berg is in the early 4chan leaks of "sonic rangers" it was said that super sonic had a skill tree correct me if im wrong

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

I didn't see that on any of them when researching for this vid

Hi

6:13p.m. 10/13/2023

It makes me want to cry seeing how cool some of the beta concepts were, like the better island designs and the environments from the CGI cutscenes. I wish SEGA could make a new DLC that brings back beta elements and ties the whole game together, bringing back the awesome beta environments seen in the unused CGI cutscenes and what not. I don’t think it’s possible since it’d basically be rewriting the entire game, which is harder to do than say Final Horizon where it was just the ending that got changed. Either way, hope SEGA learns from Frontiers and it’s beta to make their next 3D Sonic game one that tops the rest. Honestly- now that I think about it, they could make a DLC that closely follows the beta- or the CGI cutscenes, at least- and just call it one of Sage’s many predictions/outcomes. Also, don’t get me wrong, I love Frontiers. The betas seem cool, but…I love the final, too. It’s still fun and I do still like the story. It’s just sad that we lost so many cool concepts.

I would honestly pay to play the original Kronos, if they didn’t wanna do that they could add some platforming challenges to make it feel more lively but I honestly just wanna play kronoshow the devs first intended it to be played.

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

I want the beta to be leaked

@yrmmishere

7 ай бұрын

​​@@SFproductions1Saying "the beta" like that drives me nuts, it's a real pet peeve of mine ngl. Beta actually refers to software that's roughly feature-complete but still needs debugging to reach a presentable state. "Prototype" or in particular "pre-alpha" would be more appropriate wording for a theoretical version of Frontiers with a playable original Kronos - however, I would be surprised if that ever existed.

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

@@yrmmishere I was talking about the beta as in what the playtesters played. Would that be considered beta?

@yrmmishere

7 ай бұрын

No, because those builds would have been long before all of the eventual planned content would have been implemented. Those builds would probably be prepared specifically for those playtests, using whatever Sonic Team had fully finished by that point. Granted, their historical significance is high and the desire to find and release them even more so. An actual beta would be from the final months of production, where the content was all laid out and in a mostly completed state out but bugs were yet to be fixed and last-minute changes not yet implemented - go check out Sonic 2's article on The Cutting Room Floor for an example of this.

@SFproductions1

7 ай бұрын

@@yrmmishere interesting. Thank you. I'm still gonna call it Beta Kronos though because that term has been passed around in the community a lot

28 minutes

What sucks is how normal this kind of is for games. Stuff gets cut, budgets have to be stretched, and schedules must be kept. Time gets lost because making one thing work may take longer than planned or break other things. Betas are fun to explore.

If I have to hear "rushed development" one more time for a Sonic game I'm gonna kick a toddler.

@jordandillow2417

7 ай бұрын

How rude!

@NineTwentyThreeTwentyThree

7 ай бұрын

@@jordandillow2417 I-I won't actually kick the toddler.

@jordandillow2417

7 ай бұрын

Good you better not!

Tbh sonic rangers was a better fitting name especially with the final update. Its clear they wanted to make a ranger group where you play all the 4 characters but they coudnt do shit between the time constrainsts and developing an open world

The beta of Frontiers is so intriguing because it seems like the game took a DRASTIC turn in development sometime in the last year as all the teasers and whatnot were made before Kronos was split into 3 islands, all the floating platforms and stuff were added to the islands, and seemingly a lot of the story was changed a lot. A lot of the problems with the final game exist because of this last minute shift, so if they didn’t make this shift the game likely would have been a LOT more polished. But at the same time it might not have been as fun without all the, admittedly shallow, platforming challenges in the open zone. So who knows. I’d love to see a full beta restoration mod.

Nintendo switch downgraded this game. Facts